Difference between revisions of "User talk:Maik/Thoughts on an Official Dictionary"

From Lojban
Jump to navigation Jump to search
Line 24: Line 24:
  
 
Here's a preliminary [https://catnyjbovlaste.org/index.php?title=jbo-eng:ca'i example entry]. [[User:Robertbaruch|Robertbaruch]] ([[User talk:Robertbaruch|talk]])
 
Here's a preliminary [https://catnyjbovlaste.org/index.php?title=jbo-eng:ca'i example entry]. [[User:Robertbaruch|Robertbaruch]] ([[User talk:Robertbaruch|talk]])
 +
 +
I'm in the middle of changing hosting providers, since the previous provider would not allow installation of Lua, which makes using MediaWiki much nicer. So there may be a time during which the link will not work. [[User:Robertbaruch|Robertbaruch]] ([[User talk:Robertbaruch|talk]]) 21:08, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Revision as of 21:08, 26 April 2020

Dispute resolution

You should make it a bit clearer that if the dictionary team can't solve a problem, it'll be decided by the LFK. We're the last resort authority. I imagine that discussion among the dictionary team will usually be sufficient, but if people can't agree the LFK will resolve the dispute. -BookOfPortals on Mattermost #LFK

  • I am willing to make that change, if you are pretty sure that the LFK will want to arbitrate every problem that comes up -Mike
    • I'd think we'd want to arbitrate every dispute that cannot be resolved by discussion among the dictionary team. How else would such disputes be resolved? (I'm BookOfPortals on Mattermost.) Aris (talk) 19:22, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
      • Initially I figured the dictionary team itself would vote on it. Another possibility is that the LFK members who are on the Team would decide on the spot, and only if they could not decide would the thing go to a general LFK vote. Aside from the fact that the LFK members will be present on the Team, everything the Team does is subject to LFK review anyway, so I see no need to bring the LFK into resolving this or that word as the definitions are being written. Maik (talk) 17:31, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
        • I still think that escalation to the LFK could be valuable as a last resort, but the LFK members on the team sorting it out on their own seems fine resolving the smaller problems. I have more concerns about the voting option, though it could also work. Aris (talk) 19:16, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Decentralized?

On a more philosophical note, the Dictionary Team is going to be very decentralized. There were two models I gave most consideration when setting up the LFK: Node.js and Rust. Rust has a more centralized model; significant changes are discussed by the entire team and approved collectively. Node.js has a more decentralized model. Most changes are handled by individual collaborators (that is, experienced contributors who have been given commit access), but if the collaborators disagree, the matter is decided by the more restricted Technical Steering Committee, which operates by consensus among its members. So we'd essentially be the TSC. -Aris/BookofPortals

  • Very decentralized? The Dictionary Team will be the Borg compared to Jbovlaste! At least we will have page layout conventions and quality standards, and edits will actually be reviewed. u'i[rcu'i]vla spam and experimental gismu for Pokemon characters will be properly processed. Maik (talk) 21:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
    • Of course, I meant merely that it would be decentralized compared to CLL changes for instance. Aris (talk) 19:16, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Support

I support this, and would like to help. I am neither a linguist nor a jbocre, just a practitioner. I can certainly help with the technical aspects, since I've created Mediawiki instances and written some wiki templates (although not the relatively new Lua ones, but how hard can it be). Robertbaruch (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I've installed a MediaWiki server at https://catnyjbovlaste.org. If you're interested in setting it up as an "official dictionary" as you describe, let me know and I'll add you as a sysop. Robertbaruch (talk) 00:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

BTW, rewrite rules in htaccess basically make me want to shove a pencil through my eardrum and into my brain, so I will not be attempting to map eng-jbo.catnyjbovlaste.org/... <-> catnyjbovlaste.org/... any time soon. You'll have to tell me what to put in htaccess :) Robertbaruch (talk) 01:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

The hosting provider doesn't seem to allow proxying. So I have it now that if you go to eng-jbo.catnyjbovlaste.org, you get redirected to the eng-jbo namespace, but unfortunately you don't stay on eng-jbo.catnyjbovlaste.org. Instead you see the fugly https://catnyjbovlaste.org/index.php/eng-jbo:Main_Page. But it's something. Robertbaruch (talk) 17:09, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Here's a preliminary example entry. Robertbaruch (talk)

I'm in the middle of changing hosting providers, since the previous provider would not allow installation of Lua, which makes using MediaWiki much nicer. So there may be a time during which the link will not work. Robertbaruch (talk) 21:08, 26 April 2020 (UTC)