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Lojban-specific:
Principal purpose of this list is to explore ways to use Lojban different from Indo-European natlang ways.
* cmavo-only style<ref>[http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=5&comments_parentId=7703&topics_offset=324&topics_sort_mode=lastPost_desc Lojban with only cmavo: an Oulipian strategy]</ref>
==Lojban-specific==
Inspired by real language features:
* cmavo-only style<ref>[http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=5&comments_parentId=7703&topics_offset=324&topics_sort_mode=lastPost_desc Lojban with only cmavo: an Oulipian strategy]</ref>. Could be done in many ways; by using pro-sumti and pro-bridi; by extracting selbri from BAI (now this is easier with {{jvs|xo'i}}) and tenses; by using detailed attitudinals, etc.
* {{vlapoi|sumcau|staile}}, inspired by nounless languages like that of Salishan and Wakashan families<ref>[https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvj63dtew6hs3z3/ENG%20Davidson%2CM.%20-%20Studies%20in%20southern%20Wakashan%20%28Nootkan%29%20grammar.pdf?dl=0 A grammar of Nootkah]</ref>.
==Inspired by real language features==
Inspired by other constructed languages:
* {{vlapoi|sumcau|staile}}, inspired by nounless languages like that of Salishan and Wakashan families<ref>[https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvj63dtew6hs3z3/ENG%20Davidson%2CM.%20-%20Studies%20in%20southern%20Wakashan%20%28Nootkan%29%20grammar.pdf?dl=0 A grammar of Nootkah]</ref><ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban#Syntax_and_semantics Example of Lojban imitating Nuu-chah-nulth] (near the end of the section). Note that it is also agglutinative.</ref>.
* Verbless style inspired by Kēlen<ref>http://www.terjemar.net/grammar.php</ref>
==Inspired by other constructed languages==
* toki pona style, with e.g. anaphora instead of nested constructs ({mi pinxe lo tcati .i mi masno lonu go'i})
* Verbless style inspired by Kēlen<ref>[http://www.terjemar.net/grammar.php Kēlen Grammar]</ref>. See [[User:Ramcinfo/sumti_staile|the draft]].
Inspired by fictional languages:
* toki pona style, with e.g. anaphora instead of nested constructs ({mi pinxe lo tcati .i mi masno lonu go'i}). Vocabulary might or might not be restricted.
==Inspired by fictional languages==
* Tlön styles, from Borges’ short story. Most Tlön languages lack nouns, so sumti are either avoided or thought of as combinations of properties and/or relations. {{jvs|za'a}} and {{jvs|si'au}} evidentials are common.
* Tlön styles, from Borges’ short story. Most Tlön languages lack nouns, so sumti are either avoided or thought of as combinations of properties and/or relations. {{jvs|za'a}} and {{jvs|si'au}} evidentials are common.
:* snanu melatlon staile: in Southern Tlön style, meaning is constructed from verbs and adverbs. Example:
:* snanu .utloine staile: in Southern Tlön style, meaning is constructed from verbs and adverbs. Example:
mo'i ga'u ku ti'a lo zu'o ru'i flecu cu co'a mluni
{{mu|mo'i ga'u ku ti'a lo zu'o ru'i flecu cu co'a mluni}}
:* berti melatlon staile: in Northern Tlön style, objects are referred to by combination of adjectives (qualities). Possible lojbanic ways to do so: {{jvs|ka}} and {{jvs|za'i}} abstractions, modals making main level bridi into such abstractions (especially {{vlapoi|kai|ku}} and {{vlapoi|ri'i|ku}}, also {{vlapoi|ci'o|ku}} and {{vlapoi|mu'u|ku}}), {{vlapoi|ca'o|nai}} and {{vlapoi|co'i|nai}} event contours, {{jvs|ru'i}} and {{jvs|ze'e}} interval properties. Example:
:* berti .utloine staile: in Northern Tlön style, objects are referred to by combination of adjectives (qualities). Possible lojbanic ways to do so: {{jvs|ka}} and {{jvs|za'i}} abstractions, modals making main level bridi into such abstractions (especially {{vlapoi|se|kai|ku}} and {{vlapoi|se|ri'i|ku}}, also {{vlapoi|se|ci'o|ku}} and {{vlapoi|se|mu'u|ku}}), {{vlapoi|ca'o|nai}} and {{vlapoi|co'i|nai}} event contours, {{jvs|ru'i}} and {{jvs|ze'e}} interval properties. Example:
kai vacri je gusni ne'i lo kai'u narju je kandi je tsani
{{mu|se kai vacri je gusni ne'i lo kai'u narju je kandi je tsani}}
''Note: I am tempted to replace {lo} and {kai'u} with something other in these examples, to completely avoid references to (non-abstract) objects.''
 
 
{{notci|Note: I am tempted to replace {lo zu'o} and {lo kai'u} with something other in these examples, to completely avoid references to (non-abstract) objects. One way to do so is to use modal connectives, e.g {mo'i ga'u co'a mluni .i ti'a bo ru'i flecu} and {se kai vacri je gunsi .i ne'i bo se kai narju je kandi je tsani}, but they are more removed from the word order of original.}}
* melaxoxengron staile, inspired by “language of dreams” in Max Frei novels. Similar to (especially Northern) Tlön style; default evidential is {{jvs|si'au}}, {{jvs|se'o}} may also be used.
* melaxoxengron staile, inspired by “language of dreams” in Max Frei novels. Similar to (especially Northern) Tlön style; default evidential is {{jvs|si'au}}, {{jvs|se'o}} may also be used.
Inspired by programming languages:
 
* {{vlapoi|minde|sampla|staile}}, corresponding to imperative programming paradigm. Instead of claims, predicates are understood as commands.
==Inspired by programming languages==
* {{vlapoi|minde|sampla|staile}}, corresponding to imperative programming paradigm. Instead of claims, predicates are understood as commands.  Some attempts are done here: [[Writing algorithms in Lojban]].
* {{vlapoi|fancu|sampla|staile}}, corresponding to functional -"- -"- . Selbri understood as functions. See [[User:Ramcinfo/fancu_staile|the draft]].
* {{vlapoi|fancu|sampla|staile}}, corresponding to functional -"- -"- . Selbri understood as functions. See [[User:Ramcinfo/fancu_staile|the draft]].
* {{vlapoi|logji|sampla|staile}}, corresponding to logical -"- -"- .
* {{vlapoi|logji|sampla|staile}}, corresponding to logical -"- -"- . Early draft is [[User:Ramcinfo/logji_staile|here]]. See also la jimpe<ref>http://web.mit.edu/~rspeer/Public/jimpe.pdf</ref>.
* {{vlapoi|tinsa|tectaipe|staile}}, corresponding to strict typing.
* {{vlapoi|tinsa|tectaipe|staile}}, corresponding to strict typing.
==Miscellaneous==
* Stack staile, based on proglangs like Forth and PostScript and conlangs like [[Fith]] and Nalnuàntir<ref>http://conlang.wikia.com/wiki/Nalnu%C3%A0ntir</ref>
* Improvements of mekso, e.g. fancu bridi mekso proposal<ref>http://rossogilvie.id.au/essays/2013-01-22-fancu-bridi-mekso/</ref>
=Credits=
=Credits=
Many ideas were proposed by la gleki.
Many ideas were proposed by [[la gleki]].
=References=
=References=
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Latest revision as of 07:16, 1 June 2016

Principal purpose of this list is to explore ways to use Lojban different from Indo-European natlang ways.

Lojban-specific

  • cmavo-only style[1]. Could be done in many ways; by using pro-sumti and pro-bridi; by extracting selbri from BAI (now this is easier with xo'i) and tenses; by using detailed attitudinals, etc.

Inspired by real language features

  • sumcau staile, inspired by nounless languages like that of Salishan and Wakashan families[2][3].

Inspired by other constructed languages

  • Verbless style inspired by Kēlen[4]. See the draft.
  • toki pona style, with e.g. anaphora instead of nested constructs ({mi pinxe lo tcati .i mi masno lonu go'i}). Vocabulary might or might not be restricted.

Inspired by fictional languages

  • Tlön styles, from Borges’ short story. Most Tlön languages lack nouns, so sumti are either avoided or thought of as combinations of properties and/or relations. za'a and si'au evidentials are common.
  • snanu .utloine staile: in Southern Tlön style, meaning is constructed from verbs and adverbs. Example:
mo'i ga'u ku ti'a lo zu'o ru'i flecu cu co'a mluni
  • berti .utloine staile: in Northern Tlön style, objects are referred to by combination of adjectives (qualities). Possible lojbanic ways to do so: ka and za'i abstractions, modals making main level bridi into such abstractions (especially se kai ku and se ri'i ku, also se ci'o ku and se mu'u ku), ca'o nai and co'i nai event contours, ru'i and ze'e interval properties. Example:
se kai vacri je gusni ne'i lo kai'u narju je kandi je tsani


Note: I am tempted to replace {lo zu'o} and {lo kai'u} with something other in these examples, to completely avoid references to (non-abstract) objects. One way to do so is to use modal connectives, e.g {mo'i ga'u co'a mluni .i ti'a bo ru'i flecu} and {se kai vacri je gunsi .i ne'i bo se kai narju je kandi je tsani}, but they are more removed from the word order of original.


  • melaxoxengron staile, inspired by “language of dreams” in Max Frei novels. Similar to (especially Northern) Tlön style; default evidential is si'au, se'o may also be used.

Inspired by programming languages

Miscellaneous

  • Stack staile, based on proglangs like Forth and PostScript and conlangs like Fith and Nalnuàntir[6]
  • Improvements of mekso, e.g. fancu bridi mekso proposal[7]

Credits

Many ideas were proposed by la gleki.

References