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{{notci|'''le broda''' searches for the last sumti starting from x1 of ''' | {{notci|'''le broda''' searches for the last sumti starting from x1 of '''nei''', then sequentially other sumti of '''nei''', then going back to '''di'u''' and earlier. When a sumti is found such that '''SUMTI ca'a broda''' then it automatically refers to that SUMTI. '''broda''' can be wrapped into a sumti or can represent a bare selbri.}} | ||
Examples. '''broda''' wrapped into a sumti. | |||
{{mu|la .alis. cu viska lo ninmu .e lo nakla i le fetsi cu melbi}} | {{mu|la .alis. cu viska lo ninmu .e lo nakla i le fetsi cu melbi}} | ||
Here '''le fetsi''' refers to '''lo ninmu''' since it was the last sumti such that '''lo ninmu ca'a fetsi''' | Here '''le fetsi''' refers to '''lo ninmu''' since it was the last sumti such that '''lo ninmu ca'a fetsi''' | ||
{{mu|la .alis. cu viska lo nakla i le fetsi cu melbi}} | {{mu|la .alis. cu viska lo nakla i le fetsi cu melbi}} | ||
Here '''le fetsi''' refers to '''la .alis.''' if the context (other parts of text) show that '''la .alis. ca'a fetsi''' | Here '''le fetsi''' refers to '''la .alis.''' if the context (other parts of text) show that '''la .alis. ca'a fetsi''' | ||
Examples. '''broda''' as a bare selbri. | |||
{{mu|la djan cu cusku zo coi la meris .i le cusku cu gleki}} | {{mu|la djan cu cusku zo coi la meris .i le cusku cu gleki}} | ||
'''le cusku''' refers to '''la djan''' since the last selbri '''cusku''' has been used for describing him. | '''le cusku''' refers to '''la djan''' since the last selbri '''cusku''' has been used for describing him. | ||
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Would '''bacru''' refer to '''cusku'''? Clearly, this is an edge case since the most common usage of '''le''' would be '''le fetsi''' for ''she'' and similar. | Would '''bacru''' refer to '''cusku'''? Clearly, this is an edge case since the most common usage of '''le''' would be '''le fetsi''' for ''she'' and similar. | ||
=Details= | |||
*This proposal is more in line with the actual usage of '''le'''. | |||
*It relies purely on discourse which is easy to track and parse. | |||
*Note that '''le''' works not only anaphorically but also cataphorically since "starting from x1 of '''nei'''" part. | |||
Exophorics is not yet thought out yet. | Exophorics is not yet thought out yet. | ||
Revision as of 16:02, 9 October 2014
Initially proposed by la gleki:
Proposal:
le broda searches for the last sumti starting from x1 of nei, then sequentially other sumti of nei, then going back to di'u and earlier. When a sumti is found such that SUMTI ca'a broda then it automatically refers to that SUMTI. broda can be wrapped into a sumti or can represent a bare selbri.
Examples. broda wrapped into a sumti.
| la .alis. cu viska lo ninmu .e lo nakla i le fetsi cu melbi |
Here le fetsi refers to lo ninmu since it was the last sumti such that lo ninmu ca'a fetsi
| la .alis. cu viska lo nakla i le fetsi cu melbi |
Here le fetsi refers to la .alis. if the context (other parts of text) show that la .alis. ca'a fetsi
Examples. broda as a bare selbri.
| la djan cu cusku zo coi la meris .i le cusku cu gleki |
le cusku refers to la djan since the last selbri cusku has been used for describing him.
| la djan cu cusku zo coi la meris .i le bacru cu gleki |
Would bacru refer to cusku? Clearly, this is an edge case since the most common usage of le would be le fetsi for she and similar.
Details
- This proposal is more in line with the actual usage of le.
- It relies purely on discourse which is easy to track and parse.
- Note that le works not only anaphorically but also cataphorically since "starting from x1 of nei" part.
Exophorics is not yet thought out yet.
Similar constructs
- bi'unai deals with already given information but doesn't count sumti back
- ri does count sumti back but not semantically.
- di'u doesn't deal with sumti