https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=User:Cein&feed=atom&action=historyUser:Cein - Revision history2024-03-28T22:56:51ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.38.4https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=User:Cein&diff=96109&oldid=prevGleki: Text replace - "Lojban" to "Lojban"2014-06-07T11:19:36Z<p>Text replace - "<a href="/papri/Lojban" title="Lojban">Lojban</a>" to "<a href="/papri/Lojban" title="Lojban">Lojban</a>"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* VERY hard to say, since Sapir was an empirical (descriptive) linguist, so the idea of experimenting would not have occurred to him. Also, the constructed languages known to him were all very SAE (Solrisol, Esperanto and its idos)so, even if he had thought of doing experiments, a constructed language would not have been his choice. Whorf would not have thought of it either, but, if he had thought of it, he would have used something very much like Hopi (probably Hopi, in fact), since he seems to have thought that Hopi accurately represented the world-- or came closer than any other language.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* VERY hard to say, since Sapir was an empirical (descriptive) linguist, so the idea of experimenting would not have occurred to him. Also, the constructed languages known to him were all very SAE (Solrisol, Esperanto and its idos)so, even if he had thought of doing experiments, a constructed language would not have been his choice. Whorf would not have thought of it either, but, if he had thought of it, he would have used something very much like Hopi (probably Hopi, in fact), since he seems to have thought that Hopi accurately represented the world-- or came closer than any other language.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* VERY hard to say, since Sapir was an empirical (descriptive) linguist, so the idea of experimenting would not have occurred to him. Also, the constructed languages known to him were all very SAE (Solrisol, Esperanto and its idos)so, even if he had thought of doing experiments, a constructed language would not have been his choice. Whorf would not have thought of it either, but, if he had thought of it, he would have used something very much like Hopi (probably Hopi, in fact), since he seems to have thought that Hopi accurately represented the world-- or came closer than any other language.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* VERY hard to say, since Sapir was an empirical (descriptive) linguist, so the idea of experimenting would not have occurred to him. Also, the constructed languages known to him were all very SAE (Solrisol, Esperanto and its idos)so, even if he had thought of doing experiments, a constructed language would not have been his choice. Whorf would not have thought of it either, but, if he had thought of it, he would have used something very much like Hopi (probably Hopi, in fact), since he seems to have thought that Hopi accurately represented the world-- or came closer than any other language.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Glekihttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=User:Cein&diff=88084&oldid=prevGleki: Text replace - "jbocre: c" to "c"2014-03-23T12:13:50Z<p>Text replace - "jbocre: c" to "c"</p>
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