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The Lojban Logo (which appears at the top left of Wiki pages.) Available also from la [[User:tsali|tsali]]'s webpage: http://arj.nvg.org/lojban/jbosinxa.html
== lo 3mei cimde sinxa pe fi'e la [[User:pier.abat|.pier.abat.]] ==
==Discussion==
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The logo resulted from a competition announced in [[JL]] 13 (August 1990). The competition results were announced in [[JL]] 14 (March 1991): the winning design was Guy Garnett's. From JL 14:
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{{Talkquote|Surprisingly to me at least, there was a clear winner in the logo balloting from Ju'i Lobypli #13. The selected logo was supposed to be on this issue; maybe next time. The winner, designed by Guy Garnett, received a large majority of positive votes among the 35-40 ballots received before the October deadline, and was first choice on many of them. In fact, only 5 ballots were marked as disliking the selection. Of these 5, 3 were in favor of the 2nd place finisher (a distant 2nd, but with far more 'likes' than 'dislikes'). This 2nd place logo, the intersecting planes design by Jamie Bechtel, apparently suffered some vote loss from being hand-drawn compared to Guy's polished computer-generated images. (Almost all negative votes on this design also voted against all other hand-drawn designs.) As a result, we intend to try this on some publications as well, after computerizing it, and see what people think. Thus we have two logos, which were opposed by only 2 people among the voters. A couple of people sent in new designs after the ballot was produced, and I unfortunately missed one by Kerry Pearson in preparing the ballot. But we needed to have a final decision, and these will be the logos for at least the next few years.}}
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The [[Animated Lojban Logo|Necker Cube]]<ref>http://www.muskingum.edu/~psychology/psycfair/necker.htm</ref><ref>http://www.yorku.ca/eye/necker.htm</ref> was the "2nd place logo", an alternative proposal by Jamie Bechtel, and many people (at least Nick) wish it had won the vote instead. The "two logos" principle<ref>http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9203/msg00066.html</ref> seems to have been forgotten in the three years between the vote and doing anything about it; the Necker Cube might thus be legitimately resuscitated. Of course, the use of the Venn-diagram logo on [[The Book|The Book]] means it must needs remain the primary logo.
lo krasi: [[:logo.pov]] and [[:File:logobig.ppm|logobig.ppm]]
 
The logo represents both the [[LLG|LLG]] and Lojban. From JL 14:
{{Talkquote|there is a commercial purpose to the logo. It is a symbol for la lojbangirz. as well as, and possibly more than, for the language (this unfortunately may not have been in the minds of the designers and voters, but, oh well). While we are a non-profit organization, we must operate as a business, sending out correspondence, fundraising letters, etc. The logo, printed by computer with our letterhead, will enhance the visual appearance of our business correspondence, calling attention to our letter. (At least this is how the theory goes.)}}
 
*I suspect the logo has not been so used; does anyone know?
*Let me get this straight: both the symbols being spatially-perceptual ambiguities, they are appropriate for a logically-unambiguous language how?
**It's not. It's an appropriate symbol for the Anti-Lojban.
**[[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]:
**:They are intended to illustrate how mind-blowing the Sapir-Whorf effects are, I think. At least, the Necker Cube is. But Paul Dounda expressed the same criticism in JL13.
*I agree about the Necker cube, but I always thought of this one as being just weird. I don't understand it at all. How is it ambiguous? What does it mean, besides just 'lojban'?
*The intersecting circles can be seen as ends of a cylinder two ways.
*[[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]:
*:Guessing: Venn Diagram = Logic; Axes = ... Algebra? Cultural neutrality, via the four points of the compass? [[Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis|Sapir-Whorf]]esquery, as in "your mind can go anywhere, thanks to Lojban?"
*[[Jay Kominek|Jay]]:
*:Someone who recognized the Lojban logo as being the Lojban logo, but didn't know what the parts were supposed to mean, asked "the two blue circles represent hemispheres of the earth and the arrows indicate the universality of Lojban?" about the best interpretation I've heard of it yet.
*[[User:Mark Shoulson|.mark.]]:
*:On a lighter note, I suppose you folks should see the [[Animated Lojban Logo|Animated Lojban Logo]]s I made a while ago, for fun (on another page because animated GIFs are Evil and should be placed someplace special.)


==lo drata se cuxna se stidi pe fi'e la'o gy.Jeff Tupper.gy.==
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== lo za'u lojbo lanci pe fi'e la [[User:Broca|.arj]] ==
These flags were drawn by arj as a reaction to the sentiment that the Lojban logo looks "thin" or "unsubstantial".
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==Archived discussion==
==Archived discussion==
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*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1456
*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1456
*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1461
*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1461
== zo'o .ei zo brina'u ==
mi'e la guskant
.i pe'i la'o zoi Bridi Man zoi se jbocme zo brina'u .ei .enai zo bripre
.iki'u bo tu'e
zu'u zo bripre cu se tamgau mi [http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/bripre lu x_1 prenu gi'e se xadni lo se cusku no'u lu'e lo bridi li'u]
.i ku'i zu'unai za'a la'o zoi Bridi Man zoi cu na se xadni lo se cusku gi'e po'o sarji lo terbri
tu'u mu'o
i xm do stidi lo nu le lanci cu se cmene ma mi'e [[User:Gleki|La Gleki]] ([[User talk:Gleki|talk]]) 23:12, 18 madjio 2015 (PDT)
* .i mi pu ba'o jmina zo briremseltai la jbovlaste .i .e'o pilno lo se go'i fi'o se fanva zoi zoi Bridi Man zoi .i mi'e [[la guskant]] [http://guskant.github.io/gerna_cipra/zantufa-0.html zantufa bu jo'au_0] te'i li 2457181.507940 tete'i la iuli'us zei detri

Latest revision as of 00:11, 8 June 2015

lo 3mei cimde sinxa pe fi'e la .pier.abat.

lo krasi: logo.pov and logobig.ppm

lo drata se cuxna se stidi pe fi'e la'o gy.Jeff Tupper.gy.

lo za'u lojbo lanci pe fi'e la .arj

These flags were drawn by arj as a reaction to the sentiment that the Lojban logo looks "thin" or "unsubstantial".

Archived discussion

zo'o .ei zo brina'u

mi'e la guskant .i pe'i la'o zoi Bridi Man zoi se jbocme zo brina'u .ei .enai zo bripre

.iki'u bo tu'e

zu'u zo bripre cu se tamgau mi lu x_1 prenu gi'e se xadni lo se cusku no'u lu'e lo bridi li'u .i ku'i zu'unai za'a la'o zoi Bridi Man zoi cu na se xadni lo se cusku gi'e po'o sarji lo terbri

tu'u mu'o

i xm do stidi lo nu le lanci cu se cmene ma mi'e La Gleki (talk) 23:12, 18 madjio 2015 (PDT)

  • .i mi pu ba'o jmina zo briremseltai la jbovlaste .i .e'o pilno lo se go'i fi'o se fanva zoi zoi Bridi Man zoi .i mi'e la guskant zantufa bu jo'au_0 te'i li 2457181.507940 tete'i la iuli'us zei detri