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The Lojban Logo (which appears at the top left of Wiki pages.) Available also from la [[User:tsali|tsali]]'s webpage: [http://arj.nvg.org/lojban/jbosinxa.html Archived] discussion:
== lo 3mei cimde sinxa pe fi'e la [[User:pier.abat|.pier.abat.]] ==
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File:logo.jpg
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lo krasi: [[:logo.pov]] and [[:File:logobig.ppm|logobig.ppm]]
==lo drata se cuxna se stidi pe fi'e la'o gy.Jeff Tupper.gy.==
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File:simplerlojbanflag.gif
File:lojbanflags.gif
File:lojbanflags2.gif
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== lo za'u lojbo lanci pe fi'e la [[User:Broca|.arj]] ==
These flags were drawn by arj as a reaction to the sentiment that the Lojban logo looks "thin" or "unsubstantial".
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File:FLAG1.GIF
File:FLAG2.GIF
File:FLAG4.GIF
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==Archived discussion==
*http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9203/msg00067.html
*http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9203/msg00067.html
*http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9411/msg00138.html
*http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9411/msg00138.html
*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1450
*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1450
*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1456
*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1456
*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1461
*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1461


The logo resulted from a competition announced in [[JL|JL]] 13 (August 1990). The competition results were announced in [[JL|JL]] 14 (March 1991): the winning design was Guy Garnett's. From JL 14:
== zo'o .ei zo brina'u ==
 
;:Logo - Surprisingly to me at least, there was a clear winner in the logo balloting from Ju'i Lobypli #13.  The selected logo was supposed to be on this issue; maybe next  time.  The winner, designed by Guy Garnett, received a large majority of positive votes among the 35-40 ballots      received before the October deadline, and was first choice  on many of them.  In fact, only 5 ballots were marked as    disliking the selection.  Of these 5, 3 were in favor of    the 2nd place finisher (a distant 2nd, but with far more 'likes' than 'dislikes'). This 2nd place logo, the intersecting planes design by Jamie Bechtel, apparently suffered some vote loss from being hand-drawn compared to Guy's polished computer-generated images.  (Almost all negative votes on this design also voted against all other hand-drawn designs.)  As a result, we intend to try this  on some publications as well, after computerizing    it, and see what people think.  Thus we have two logos,  which were opposed by only 2 people among the voters.    A couple of people sent in new designs after the ballot  was produced, and I unfortunately missed one by Kerry  Pearson in preparing the ballot.  But we needed to have a  final decision, and these will be the logos for at least  the next few years.
 
The Necker Cube (http://www.muskingum.edu/~psychology/psycfair/necker.htm ; [http://www.yorku.ca/eye/necker.htm)] was the "2nd place logo", an alternative proposal by Jamie Bechtel, and many people (at least Nick) wish it had won the vote instead: [http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9203/msg00066.html The] "two logos" principle seems to have been forgotten in the three years between the vote and doing anything about it; the Necker Cube might thus be legitimately resuscitated. Of course, the use of the Venn-diagram logo on [[The Book|The Book]] means it must needs remain the primary logo.
 
The logo represents both the [[LLG|LLG]] and Lojban. From JL 14:
 
;:- there is a commercial purpose to the logo.  It is a symbol for la lojbangirz. as well as, and possibly more  than, for the language (this unfortunately may not have been in the minds of the designers and voters, but, oh  well).  While we are a non-profit organization, we must operate as a business, sending out correspondence, fundraising letters, etc.  The logo, printed by computer with our letterhead, will enhance the visual appearance of our business correspondence, calling attention to our letter. (At least this is how the theory goes.)
 
* I suspect the logo has not been so used; does anyone know?
 
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Let me get this straight: both the symbols being spatially-perceptual ambiguities, they are appropriate for a logically-unambiguous language how?
 
''It's not. It's an appropriate symbol for the Anti-Lojban.''
 
They are intended to illustrate how mind-blowing the Sapir-Whorf effects are, I think. At least, the Necker Cube is. But Paul Dounda expressed the same criticism in JL13. -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]].


I agree about the necker cube, but I always thought of this one as being just weird. I don't understand it at all. how is it ambiguous? What does it mean, besides just 'lojban'?
mi'e la guskant
.i pe'i la'o zoi Bridi Man zoi se jbocme zo brina'u .ei .enai zo bripre


*(The intersecting circles can be seen as ends of a cylinder two ways.)
.iki'u bo tu'e
*Guessing: Venn Diagram = Logic; Axes = ... Algebra? Cultural neutrality, via the four points of the compass? [[Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis|Sapir-Whorf]]esquery, as in "your mind can go anywhere, thanks to Lojban?" -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]


Someone who recognized the Lojban logo as being the Lojban logo, but didn't know what the parts were supposed to mean, asked "the two blue circles represent hemispheres of the earth and the arrows indicate the universality of lojban?" about the best interpretation I've heard of it yet. --[[Jay Kominek|Jay]]
zu'u zo bripre cu se tamgau mi [http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/bripre lu x_1 prenu gi'e se xadni lo se cusku no'u lu'e lo bridi li'u]
.i ku'i zu'unai za'a la'o zoi Bridi Man zoi cu na se xadni lo se cusku gi'e po'o sarji lo terbri


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tu'u mu'o


On a lighter note, I suppose you folks should see the [[Animated Lojban Logo|Animated Lojban Logo]]s I made a while ago, for fun (on another page because animated GIFs are Evil and should be placed someplace special.''--mi'e [[User:Mark Shoulson|.mark.]].''
i xm do stidi lo nu le lanci cu se cmene ma mi'e [[User:Gleki|La Gleki]] ([[User talk:Gleki|talk]]) 23:12, 18 madjio 2015 (PDT)
* .i mi pu ba'o jmina zo briremseltai la jbovlaste .i .e'o pilno lo se go'i fi'o se fanva zoi zoi Bridi Man zoi .i mi'e [[la guskant]] [http://guskant.github.io/gerna_cipra/zantufa-0.html zantufa bu jo'au_0] te'i li 2457181.507940 tete'i la iuli'us zei detri

Latest revision as of 00:11, 8 June 2015

lo 3mei cimde sinxa pe fi'e la .pier.abat.

lo krasi: logo.pov and logobig.ppm

lo drata se cuxna se stidi pe fi'e la'o gy.Jeff Tupper.gy.

lo za'u lojbo lanci pe fi'e la .arj

These flags were drawn by arj as a reaction to the sentiment that the Lojban logo looks "thin" or "unsubstantial".

Archived discussion

zo'o .ei zo brina'u

mi'e la guskant .i pe'i la'o zoi Bridi Man zoi se jbocme zo brina'u .ei .enai zo bripre

.iki'u bo tu'e

zu'u zo bripre cu se tamgau mi lu x_1 prenu gi'e se xadni lo se cusku no'u lu'e lo bridi li'u .i ku'i zu'unai za'a la'o zoi Bridi Man zoi cu na se xadni lo se cusku gi'e po'o sarji lo terbri

tu'u mu'o

i xm do stidi lo nu le lanci cu se cmene ma mi'e La Gleki (talk) 23:12, 18 madjio 2015 (PDT)

  • .i mi pu ba'o jmina zo briremseltai la jbovlaste .i .e'o pilno lo se go'i fi'o se fanva zoi zoi Bridi Man zoi .i mi'e la guskant zantufa bu jo'au_0 te'i li 2457181.507940 tete'i la iuli'us zei detri