Talk:Welcome!/en
Aaah, the updated page is much, much better. Not perfect, but better. So I am not going to replace it. Thanks for removing the worst blabla. I accept your reasoning for not using an exact description, gleki.
The term “facultative precision” sounds … ugh … complex to me. I have never heard of it. Is this term actually used in linguistics? Well, at least its described in the next sentence but I then the term could have been omitted in the first place. I assume that most Lojban newbies are not linguists. ;-)
Those two sentences are stupid:
“Lojban penetrates into the essence of phenomena like nothing else.”
“Lojban changes your mind while you are talking in it.”
I removed them. I already said why I dislike these sentences and won’t repeat it here. If you are going to re-add them, please give me a good explanation for this.
This sentence is a bold claim and I want further discussion: “Lojban is the best tool for implementing machine automatic translation.” While I think that Lojban is a very good candidate for automatic translation I don’t see why Lojban must be neccessarily the best “tool” for that. Please explain. I don’t even know if Lojban actually is a tool for auto-translation or if it’s all just theoretical. This begs the question: Is there any automatic translation program right now?
I replaced “The number of basic verbs is only 350.” with “the number of root words is only 1341.”. I guess the “350” was just a typo.
I don’t like how brivla are described as “verbs”. This is not quite correct and it is misleading; the reader may be misled to thinking that Lojban has a noun/verb/adjective/adverb system like many languages do which is not true. I think the correct English term for “brivla” would be “predicate”.
PS: Why did the old discussion go away to my page? Whoever did that, you are confusing me. :-( This is not a personal talk, but a talk about the page, and only the page.
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Wuzzy (talk)09:17, 9 December 2013
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Yes, it'd better remove "facultative precision" although you can google it.
As for brivla not being verbs. Well, of course you can say that although "predicate" can also confuse people. No one really knows what verb is. They differ in different languages. Something that is a verb in some language can be expressed as a noun in another language. I think it's better not to use "verb"/"predicate" at all.
We need newbies to use Lojban the sooner the better, not start from frightening terms like "predicate".
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Gleki (talk)09:39, 9 December 2013
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Sorry, im not an expert in LiquidThreads. You can copy old discussions back from http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Talk:Welcome!_(bau_lo_glico)_(old_version)
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Gleki (talk)09:40, 9 December 2013
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I don’t like how brivla are described as “verbs”. This is not quite correct and it is misleading; the reader may be misled to thinking that Lojban has a noun/verb/adjective/adverb system like many languages do which is not true. I think the correct English term for “brivla” would be “predicate”.
I think that, in principle, verb is the appropriate term, but also that is relatively useless without a Lojban reference grammar using that kind of terminology. Which I believe could be written by somebody knowledgeable (which I am not).
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mu'o mi'e .iesk.16:55, 10 December 2013
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Can anyone see the word "verb" on this page now? Technically there is one: "For example, you don't have to always think of what tense (past, present or future) to use in a verb when it's already clear from context." But that's more about English.