Relative Clause Veridical Quantification Gotcha: Difference between revisions
m (Text replace - "jbocre: n" to "n") |
m (Gleki moved page jbocre: Relative Clause Veridical Quantification Gotcha to Relative Clause Veridical Quantification Gotcha without leaving a redirect: Text replace - "jbocre: ([A-Z])" to "$1") |
(No difference)
| |
Revision as of 14:44, 23 March 2014
Relative clauses can attach to the selbri of a sumti, or to the entire sumti:
- mi viska le {prenu poi klama} ku
- mi viska le {prenu ku} poi klama
The default is the first; and it doesn't normally any make any difference. But if you're using a veridical determiner (e.g. lo), and a non-veridical relativiser (noi), note that the claim is by default made of the selbri and not of the sumti. So
- mi zvati re lo {muno merjecta noi snanu}
means I've been to 2 out of the {50 U.S. states, which are in the south}, and not I've been to {2 out of the 50 U.S. states}, which are in the south. What you should say is
- mi zvati {re lo muno merjecta ku} noi snanu
Things get even worse without overt quantifiers. The Complete Lojban Language, hapter 8 gives example (6.8):
- lo prenu noi blabi ku cu klama le zarci
This means not A person, who is white, went to the store, but One out of {all people, who incidentally are white} went to the store -- namely, it assumes that all people are white!
Sagely, therefore, does The Book state:
- The safe strategy, therefore, is to always use ku when attaching a noi relative clause to a lo descriptor. Otherwise we may end up claiming far too much.