https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Proposal:_Drag-and-Drop_Conversion_Becomes_Default&feed=atom&action=historyProposal: Drag-and-Drop Conversion Becomes Default - Revision history2024-03-29T13:06:31ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.38.4https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Proposal:_Drag-and-Drop_Conversion_Becomes_Default&diff=123061&oldid=prevKrtisfranks at 19:31, 9 September 20182018-09-09T19:31:04Z<p></p>
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</table>Krtisfrankshttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Proposal:_Drag-and-Drop_Conversion_Becomes_Default&diff=123060&oldid=prevKrtisfranks at 19:28, 9 September 20182018-09-09T19:28:26Z<p></p>
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</table>Krtisfrankshttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Proposal:_Drag-and-Drop_Conversion_Becomes_Default&diff=123055&oldid=prevKrtisfranks: Created page with "The idea would be to redefine: * new-"te" to mean old-"{{jvs|to'ai}}", and new-"to'ai" to mean old-"te"; * new-"ve" to mean old-"{{jvs|vo'ai}}", and new-"vo'ai" to mean old-"v..."2018-09-09T17:27:07Z<p>Created page with "The idea would be to redefine: * new-"te" to mean old-"{{jvs|to'ai}}", and new-"to'ai" to mean old-"te"; * new-"ve" to mean old-"{{jvs|vo'ai}}", and new-"vo'ai" to mean old-"v..."</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>The idea would be to redefine:<br />
* new-"te" to mean old-"{{jvs|to'ai}}", and new-"to'ai" to mean old-"te";<br />
* new-"ve" to mean old-"{{jvs|vo'ai}}", and new-"vo'ai" to mean old-"ve";<br />
* new-"xe" to mean old-"{{jvs|xo'ai}}", and new-"xo'ai" to mean old-"xe".<br />
* "se" would be unaffected.<br />
* The rafsi would remain associated with the word/word form/string with which they share the first vowels, so their meanings would be redefined (but their assignment wrt word form/string would be unchanged).<br />
** Thus, for example: new-"-ter-" would be assigned to new-"te" and would mean old-"to'ai"/old-"-toz-" (if that rafsi is accepted); new-"-toz-" would be assigned to new-"to'ai" and would mean old-"te"/old-"-ter-". Etc.<br />
*** If the rafsi for "te" becomes "-tel-", then exchange "-ter-" with "-tel-" throughout this example.<br />
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This would require a substantial reworking of lujvo.<br />
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It might be worth it, though, if we feel that drag-and-drop conversion is easier/requires less brain-power or is more natural. Note that rafsi ending in "l" or "r" are more coveted than those which end in "z".</div>Krtisfranks