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Gleki: Gleki moved page New Growth Lojbanist to New Growth Lojbanists
2014-09-26T08:17:21Z
<p>Gleki moved page <a href="/papri/New_Growth_Lojbanist" class="mw-redirect" title="New Growth Lojbanist">New Growth Lojbanist</a> to <a href="/papri/New_Growth_Lojbanists" title="New Growth Lojbanists">New Growth Lojbanists</a></p>
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Gleki: Replaced content with "A class of Lojbanists arbitrarily defined by Nick Nicholas as "anyone who joined Lojban after he left it for his PhD". (i.e. 1994) * Us..."
2014-09-26T08:17:14Z
<p>Replaced content with "A class of <a href="/papri/JboPre" class="mw-redirect" title="JboPre">Lojbanists</a> arbitrarily defined by <a href="/papri/User:Nick_Nicholas" title="User:Nick Nicholas">Nick Nicholas</a> as "anyone who joined Lojban after he left it for his PhD". (i.e. 1994) * Us..."</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Old Growth==</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Loglanists. [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]], [[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]], [[User:Jeff Prothero|Jeff Prothero]], [[pc|pc]], [[Colin Fine|Colin Fine]], [[User:Jim Carter|Jim Carter]]</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">=Discussion=</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*Pigeon-holes are silly, but there are certain clusterings which may explain certain attitudes and positions. There are lots of Lojbanists which I have no idea where they fit. [[John Cowan|John Cowan]], for instance '''(resolved)''', or [[Goran Topic|Goran Topic]]. Not to mention any of the New Growth Lojbanists...</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*:Sounds like too many classes. I notice only two groups: the revolutionaries and the new schoolers. Very loosely, the revolutionaries are the Loglaners that split and created Lojban, and the new school are gen-x geeks that came in after the language was solidified. do'acai</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**:la maikl. I think is ''sui generis'' :-) (I was wondering this myself.) And probably is more of a 'tweener than anything else ('''confirmed'''). Perhaps he's the 'tweener equivalent of [[pc|pc]]? :-)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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Gleki: Gleki moved page Generations, waves and epochs of Lojbanists to New Growth Lojbanist over a redirect without leaving a redirect
2014-09-26T08:16:38Z
<p>Gleki moved page <a href="/papri/Generations,_waves_and_epochs_of_Lojbanists" title="Generations, waves and epochs of Lojbanists">Generations, waves and epochs of Lojbanists</a> to <a href="/papri/New_Growth_Lojbanist" class="mw-redirect" title="New Growth Lojbanist">New Growth Lojbanist</a> over a redirect without leaving a redirect</p>
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Gleki: Gleki moved page New Growth Lojbanist to Generations, waves and epochs of Lojbanists
2014-09-26T08:16:10Z
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Gleki: /* Discussion */
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Gleki
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>Thanks, Jay! :-) But I do think there is a legitimate distinction to be drawn between the sundry waves of Lojbanists, particularly in terms of social dynamics. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Feel free to refactor this elsewhere:'' -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">** </ins>Thanks, Jay! :-) But I do think there is a legitimate distinction to be drawn between the sundry waves of Lojbanists, particularly in terms of social dynamics.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==</ins>Old Growth<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">;</del>Old Growth<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</del>Loglanists. [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]], [[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]], [[User:Jeff Prothero|Jeff Prothero]], [[pc|pc]], [[Colin Fine|Colin Fine]], [[User:Jim Carter|Jim Carter]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Loglanists. [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]], [[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]], [[User:Jeff Prothero|Jeff Prothero]], [[pc|pc]], [[Colin Fine|Colin Fine]], [[User:Jim Carter|Jim Carter]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">;</del>Sci-Fi<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</del>Late '80s, recruited through Sci-fi cons. [[Athelstan|Athelstan]], [http://keithlynch.net/ Keith Lynch]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Late '80s, recruited through Sci-fi cons. [[Athelstan|Athelstan]], [http://keithlynch.net/ Keith Lynch]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">;Conlangers:</del>Early '90s, recruited through constructed language afficionadodom. Substantial overlap with 'Jimbobs' (see [[Jimbob mythos|Jimbob mythos]]). [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]], [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]], [[Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]], [[And Rosta|And Rosta]], [[John Cowan|John Cowan]], [[Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]] (see below)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Early '90s, recruited through constructed language afficionadodom. Substantial overlap with 'Jimbobs' (see [[Jimbob mythos|Jimbob mythos]]). [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]], [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]], [[Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]], [[And Rosta|And Rosta]], [[John Cowan|John Cowan]], [[Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]] (see below)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Michael's different, because he became a Lojbanist earlier but joined the list later; thus for some years one did not know him but knew of him, as Lojban's foremost poet but living in offnet obscurity. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(mi'e [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]])</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>Michael's different, because he became a Lojbanist earlier but joined the list later; thus for some years one did not know him but knew of him, as Lojban's foremost poet but living in offnet obscurity.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">;Geeks:</del>Always present, but somewhat more prominent in the late '90s? Recruited through computer science interest (though not necessarily primarily so). [[John Cowan|John Cowan]], [[User:xod|la xod]], [[User:.aionys.|Eye/Onus]], [[User:skorgu|Skorgu]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Always present, but somewhat more prominent in the late '90s? Recruited through computer science interest (though not necessarily primarily so). [[John Cowan|John Cowan]], [[User:xod|la xod]], [[User:.aionys.|Eye/Onus]], [[User:skorgu|Skorgu]].</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Others reticent to call themselves that in public. Others not so reticent? :-)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Others reticent to call themselves that in public. Others not so reticent? :-)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">;</del>New Growth<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</del>Substantial overlap with Geeks? Mebbe, mebbe not.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Substantial overlap with Geeks? Mebbe, mebbe not.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Pigeon-holes are silly, but there are certain clusterings which may explain certain attitudes and positions. There are lots of Lojbanists which I have no idea where they fit. [[John Cowan|John Cowan]], for instance '''(resolved)''', or [[Goran Topic|Goran Topic]]. Not to mention any of the New Growth Lojbanists...</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*</ins>Pigeon-holes are silly, but there are certain clusterings which may explain certain attitudes and positions. There are lots of Lojbanists which I have no idea where they fit. [[John Cowan|John Cowan]], for instance '''(resolved)''', or [[Goran Topic|Goran Topic]]. Not to mention any of the New Growth Lojbanists...</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>Sounds like too many classes. I notice only two groups: the revolutionaries and the new schoolers. Very loosely, the revolutionaries are the Loglaners that split and created Lojban, and the new school are gen-x geeks that came in after the language was solidified. do'acai <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--xod''</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*:</ins>Sounds like too many classes. I notice only two groups: the revolutionaries and the new schoolers. Very loosely, the revolutionaries are the Loglaners that split and created Lojban, and the new school are gen-x geeks that came in after the language was solidified. do'acai</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are [['tweeners|'tweeners]] that took part in the solidification ('91-'97); I suspect [[User:xorxes|xorxes]] and I the only one still around to any extent, though... <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">-- [[User</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*:</ins>There are [['tweeners|'tweeners]] that took part in the solidification ('91-'97); I suspect [[User:xorxes|xorxes]] and I the only one still around to any extent, though...</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>ki'e doi nitcion, I was starting to feel left out, as I didn't fit in any of the categories. What about [[Michael Helsem <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a maikl</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Michael Helsem a </del>maikl]] and la and. mi'e xorxes, proud 'tweener and solidifier.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**:</ins>ki'e doi nitcion, I was starting to feel left out, as I didn't fit in any of the categories. What about [[Michael Helsem|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">la </ins>maikl]] and la and. mi'e xorxes, proud 'tweener and solidifier.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>la maikl. I think is ''sui generis'' :-) (I was wondering this myself.) And probably is more of a 'tweener than anything else ('''confirmed'''). Perhaps he's the 'tweener equivalent of [[pc|pc]]? :-) <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> -- mi'e </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User:Nick Nicholas</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">nitcion</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. (</del>M.H. joined around 1989 after reading a review of ''ju'i lobypli'' in "Factsheet Five". Inactive during much of the Nineties. Except for the timeframe, the "conlanger" category seems to fit. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--mh)</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**:</ins>la maikl. I think is ''sui generis'' :-) (I was wondering this myself.) And probably is more of a 'tweener than anything else ('''confirmed'''). Perhaps he's the 'tweener equivalent of [[pc|pc]]? :-)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***</ins>michael seems like a nice guy, though. ''Yup, that's what I meant by ''sui generis''! '' so whats with the comparison to [[pc|pc]], then?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[This thread may be titled "Why Lojban Is Better Than English"|This thread may be titled "Why Lojban Is Better Than English"]]</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">****</ins>Cause neither can be understood?'' Oh, Lordy. This is not the first time this has happened. In "[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]] probably is more of a 'tweener than anything else", And = [[And Rosta|And Rosta]]! And I'm comparing And to pc because of their formal bias, though of course And is more formal than pc...</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''la maikl. I think is ''sui generis'' :-) (I was wondering this myself.) And probably is more of a 'tweener than anything else ('''confirmed'''). Perhaps he's the 'tweener equivalent of [[pc|pc]]? :-) ''</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">****:</ins>Gee, I think I resent that. I also like to think of myself as the memory and conscience of the group, hewing closely to the original ideas (ideals?) of Loglan and mentioning when things go too far astray (in my opinion, of course).</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>michael seems like a nice guy, though. ''Yup, that's what I meant by ''sui generis''! '' so whats with the comparison to [[pc|pc]], then?</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*[[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]:</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Gee, I think I resent that. I also like to think of myself as the memory and conscience of the group, hewing closely to the original ideas (ideals?) of Loglan and mentioning when things go too far astray (in my opinion, of course). <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pc</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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Gleki: Text replace - "xod" to "la xod"
2014-06-08T10:49:59Z
<p>Text replace - "<a href="/papri/User:Xod" title="User:Xod">xod</a>" to "<a href="/papri/User:Xod" title="User:Xod">la xod</a>"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Sounds like too many classes. I notice only two groups: the revolutionaries and the new schoolers. Very loosely, the revolutionaries are the Loglaners that split and created Lojban, and the new school are gen-x geeks that came in after the language was solidified. do'acai --xod''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Sounds like too many classes. I notice only two groups: the revolutionaries and the new schoolers. Very loosely, the revolutionaries are the Loglaners that split and created Lojban, and the new school are gen-x geeks that came in after the language was solidified. do'acai --xod''</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>'tweeners|'tweeners]] that took part in the solidification ('91-'97); I suspect [[User:xorxes|xorxes]] and I the only one still around to any extent, though... -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>There are [['tweeners|'tweeners]] that took part in the solidification ('91-'97); I suspect [[User:xorxes|xorxes]] and I the only one still around to any extent, though... -- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''ki'e doi nitcion, I was starting to feel left out, as I didn't fit in any of the categories. What about [[Michael Helsem a maikl|Michael Helsem a maikl]] and la and. mi'e xorxes, proud 'tweener and solidifier.''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''ki'e doi nitcion, I was starting to feel left out, as I didn't fit in any of the categories. What about [[Michael Helsem a maikl|Michael Helsem a maikl]] and la and. mi'e xorxes, proud 'tweener and solidifier.''</div></td></tr>
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