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''Admin note: This page contains the � (thorn) character, which !MacRoman doesn't have.  Exercise caution editing this page from a Macintosh.''
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== Lojbanic Forums ==
  
To say "the letter t" we say "me'o ty.", because "ty." by itself means
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This page contains a list of various forums in which people discuss Lojban or discuss in Lojban, in approximate order of popularity as far as the main community is aware.
  
the referent of "t", by default the last thing referred to whose name
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===  Lojban IRC{ANAME()}irc{ANAME} ===
  
or description begins with "t".
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[[Lojban IRC|Lojban IRC]] is very active, with 75 or more people in channel most of the time.  It is by far the best way to practice real-time Lojban conversation, and sometimes it's possible to get people there to join voice chat sessions, as well.  [[Lojban IRC|Lojban IRC]] provides an excellent informal meeting place for conversing quickly in Lojban. It is beginner-friendly, as well. The IRC channel can be reached by pointing your IRC program at irc.lojban.org or using [[jbocre: /irc/ ur web-based IRC client]] and entering the #lojban channel, or the good-looking  [http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=lojban%2Cjbopre%2C%23%23ckule%2Cmakfa reenode Web IRC].
  
''The above is exactly according to [[the Book|the Book]].''
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There is also a #jbopre channel, for less-topical discussion by Lojbanists.
  
''Doesn't that mean ''the mekso t'', i.e., ''t'' considered as a mathematical expression? What's wrong with ''ty.bu''?''
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Here is an [[jbocre: IRC cheat sheet|IRC cheat sheet]] for people who are still learning Lojban.
  
* ''ty.bu'' is also a letter - one named with the Lojban word ''ty'', which only incidentally is another letter. ''ty.bu'' is (see [[jbocre: Woldy|Woldy]] 17.5) the name of the "thorn" ('''�''') character. Using it alone in a Lojban sentence would make it mean "the last thing referred to which (very improbably) began with �."
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===  Primary Web & E-Mail Forums{ANAME()}lists{ANAME} ===
  
** To use ''ty.bu'' as the name of any ideograph other than the letter ''t'' would be obfuscatory. Stop me if I'm too radical, but I think when a meaning is 100% obvious and straightforward, we should consider accepting it.]
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The two main forums for persistent, threaded conversation are presented as both web forums and e-mail mailing lists, using Google GroupsThere is also an announcement list, which should reach just about everyone actively involved in Lojban with an email address.
** You're missing it''ty.'' is the name for the letter '''t''', not ''ty.bu.''  It also happens that anything-''bu'' is a letter also, so it is being proposed to use the letter ''ty.bu'', which is presumably distinct from the letter ''ty'', to refer to thorn.  (Mind you, using it alone in a sentence would be using is as a pro-sumti, referring to some thing which we are labeling with that letter, not the letter itself, hence the stuff about quoting it with ''me'o'').
 
  
** Thorn is more accurately .y'y.bu - /T/ is not a stop. It is an allowed variant of ' and should be written as ' rather than t as writing /T/ as a symbol that can only mean /t/ prevents people from pronouncing it correctly.
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==== The Main Forum ====
*** Huh? Thorn is a variant of '?  And people hassle me about using h as a variant of '??  Oh, you mean the '''sound''' that thorn makes is an allowed variant of '.  That doesn't make it the same letter.
 
  
**** No, what I said was /T/ is a variant of ' - thus Thorn should be transliterated with a ' and is thus better as .y'y.bu.
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[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/topics he Lojban General Web Forum / Mailing List] is probably still the best way to reach a broad cross-section of the Lojban community for active discussion.  It has about 500 subscribers, and has existed more-or-less continuously since 1989.
***** ''.y'y.bu'' already is the letter '''h'''.
 
  
*However, I find ''me'o ty.'' to be a bit unpleasant as well. What about ''zo ty.''?
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Any conversation at all about or in Lojban is on-topic for this list. For discussions specifically about learning the language, the Beginners list is a better choice. For discussions solely in Lojban, there's jbosnu, but it's got a much smaller subscriber list.
**''zo ty.'' is the word "ty.", not the letter 't'.
 
  
How do we say "the sound of the letter t"?
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====  The Beginners Forum ====
  
''le sance be tu'a ty''
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[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/topics he Lojban Beginners Web Forum / Mailing List] is for discussions related to learning Lojban.  Anything about how to understand a part of the language, how to learn it better, study tools, actual teaching sessions, and so on, is on topic.  Nothing else is.
  
le sance be tu'a me'o ty, if anything.
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====  The Announcement List ====
  
''nalvokykai je molcrane dirsna (see [[jbocre: phonetics|phonetics]])''
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[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-announcements/ he Lojban Announcements Web Forum / Mailing List] is for single posts on topics of general community interest.
  
How do we say "J. L. B. Smith"? (He identified the [[jbocre: gombesa|gombesa]] as a coelacanth.)
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All posts to this list are moderated, and all must include a description for where followup conversation should go.  For example: "there are now Lojban flashcards on smart.fm; follow up discussion should go to the Beginners list" (but presumably with more detail).  This is ''NOT'' a discussion list.  The list does not set Reply-To, so you should set it to where you want followup discussion to go, if you know how.
  
Like most questions about names, this one has no definite answers, but ''jylybys. smit.'' probably communicates fairly wellIf precision counts, then there is nothing for it but ''la'o greg. J. L. B. Smith .greg.''
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The announcement list sends to just about every Lojban email list there is.  People can also subscribe to it directly, if they want to get announcements of general community interest but do not want to be on the main mailing lists.
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Anything likely to be of interest to large segments of the Lojban community is on topic.  In particular, "I'm starting Lojbanic project X and need help/feedback" is what the list is primarily intended for.
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===  Other Mailing Lists ===
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Other than the primary mailing lists, the following special interest lists exist:
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* [http://groups.google.com/group/xedbig/ edbig], AKA Hedwig, a private, moderated list with rules (you must be nice, you must speak in Lojban, and you may not criticise how other people speak Lojban)
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* [http://groups.google.com/gorup/lodockikumazvati/ unkei fi la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u] (Play "Where are you Keys?: Lojban")
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* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-pl/ ojban-pl], the Polish Lojban list
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* [http://groups.google.com/group/b budjo], for discussion of Buddhism
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* [http://groups.google.com/group/k kasyjda], for discussion of the chaos religions, such as Discordianism
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* [http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list he bpfk mailing list], for language development issues
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* [http://groups.google.com/group/x xadni], a largely unused list for discussion of the experience of having a body, or something like that
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*  le jbocertu cu bau casnu vecu'u [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jbosnu a jbosnu]{ANAME()}jbosnu{ANAME} (nothing but spam these days)
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*  The [http://www.lojban.org/lists/j jboske], or lojbanic science list is for extremely detailed discussions of technical and linguistic issues related to Lojban.  (Subscribe at [http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ he lojban.org mailing list interface].)
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*  [http://groups.google.com/group/j jbofanva] is a mailing list for translation projects.
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*  [http://groups.google.com/group/j jefnuz] is a subscribe-and-don't-post list for receiving the weekly community news.
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*  [http://groups.google.com/group/s snakarni] is a list for audio-bloggers, especially for CinchCast users.
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* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojhbanistoj oĵbanistoj] is a lojban mailing list where discussions occur in Esperanto
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===  Voice ===
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*The [[jbocre: Lojbanic Phone Group|Lojbanic Phone Group]]: arrange a voice call (phone or VoIP) with another Lojban speaker at any skill level.
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*[[jbocre: Mumble|Mumble]]: a vocal chatroom
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* [http://cinchcast.com/ inch] is an audio-blogging service which allows its users to record directly to the website or phone in to record.
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===  Microblogging{ANAME()}microblogging{ANAME} ===
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As microblogging has become more popular among the internets as a whole, it's also started to be noticed in Lojbanistan.
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====  identi.ca ====
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Sometimes known as la [http://identi.ca/ aidentikar.]  There's a Lojban group called !lojban.
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====  Twitter ====
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Lojbanic posts on [http://twitter.com/ witter] are sometimes tagged #lojban, but it's also fun to [http://search.twitter.com/search?q=lojban earch for Lojban without the #] to see what random strangers are saying about us! 
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=== Other Forums{ANAME()}other{ANAME} ===
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==== The Lojban MOO ====
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[[jbocre: The Lojban MOO|The Lojban MOO]] is a type of MUD (a multi-user online text adventure game, sort of) that is fully bilingual in its command set.
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==== jboselkei ====
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[http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/ boselkei] is an online game of translation from English to Lojban, featuring rating calculation for users. If you don't know how this or that is translated to Lojban, ask it in jboselkei, and as the game proceeds, expect to see one or even more translations of your 'post' made by jboselkei players, with comments. If you are an experienced lojbanist, you will always find a couple or more challenging 'tough nuts' awaiting your translation and promising rating points. jboselkei first appeared in Beta form in mid March 2006, and was upgraded for appearance and usability in November 2006. Playing in jboselkei is very exciting; you are welcome to join!
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==== The Lojbanic Interactive Story ====
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[http://www.lojban.org/story/story.pl he Lojbanic Interactive Story] is a web-based story writing forum.  The story itself is all in Lojban.  Anyone can add to it, please go contribute!
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==== PHP based dedicated forum sites ====
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* [http://lojban.7.forumer.com/index.php ojban.forumer]
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==== LiveJournal ====
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There has been a [http://community.livejournal.com/lojban/ iveJournal community] for Lojban for a long time, though it's often sleepy.
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===  Archives Of Past Discussion ===
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====  Mailing List Archives ====
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There are locally stored archives of a number of lists.
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* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list he main Lojban mailing list] is no longer updated
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* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-beginners he lojban-beginners list] is no longer updated
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* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-es ojban-es, the Spanish Lojban list]
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* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/lojban-fr ojban-fr, the French Lojban list]
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* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/jboske boske, the list for technical discussions of Lojban]
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* [http://www.lojban.org/lists/bpfk-announce he BPFK announcement list]
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The Google Groups lists should have complete, searchable archives stored in Google Groups itself.
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In addition to this, for research purposes, there are as-complete-as-humanly-possible archives of all Google Groups lists stored as UNIX mail files on one of the lojban.org computers. If you need access to them, [[jbocre: ailto:[email protected].org ail the LLG secretary]].
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==== IRC Logs ====
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[[jbocre: resources/irclog/ ublic logs of the lojbanic portions of the IRC channel]] are available.  
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'''Note:''' the logs are filtered so that they contain only lojbanic text. However, you might still be offended by the things discussed there. If you are, that's your problem, and the [[jbocre: LLG|LLG]] explicitly disclaims responsibility for anything said on the IRC channel, including by members or officers of the [[jbocre: LLG|LLG]].
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Furthermore, no guarantee is made as to the correctness of the Lojban therein.

Revision as of 17:04, 4 November 2013

Lojbanic Forums

This page contains a list of various forums in which people discuss Lojban or discuss in Lojban, in approximate order of popularity as far as the main community is aware.

Lojban IRC{ANAME()}irc{ANAME}

Lojban IRC is very active, with 75 or more people in channel most of the time. It is by far the best way to practice real-time Lojban conversation, and sometimes it's possible to get people there to join voice chat sessions, as well. Lojban IRC provides an excellent informal meeting place for conversing quickly in Lojban. It is beginner-friendly, as well. The IRC channel can be reached by pointing your IRC program at irc.lojban.org or using jbocre: /irc/ ur web-based IRC client and entering the #lojban channel, or the good-looking reenode Web IRC.

There is also a #jbopre channel, for less-topical discussion by Lojbanists.

Here is an IRC cheat sheet for people who are still learning Lojban.

Primary Web & E-Mail Forums{ANAME()}lists{ANAME}

The two main forums for persistent, threaded conversation are presented as both web forums and e-mail mailing lists, using Google Groups. There is also an announcement list, which should reach just about everyone actively involved in Lojban with an email address.

The Main Forum

he Lojban General Web Forum / Mailing List is probably still the best way to reach a broad cross-section of the Lojban community for active discussion. It has about 500 subscribers, and has existed more-or-less continuously since 1989.

Any conversation at all about or in Lojban is on-topic for this list. For discussions specifically about learning the language, the Beginners list is a better choice. For discussions solely in Lojban, there's jbosnu, but it's got a much smaller subscriber list.

The Beginners Forum

he Lojban Beginners Web Forum / Mailing List is for discussions related to learning Lojban. Anything about how to understand a part of the language, how to learn it better, study tools, actual teaching sessions, and so on, is on topic. Nothing else is.

The Announcement List

he Lojban Announcements Web Forum / Mailing List is for single posts on topics of general community interest.

All posts to this list are moderated, and all must include a description for where followup conversation should go. For example: "there are now Lojban flashcards on smart.fm; follow up discussion should go to the Beginners list" (but presumably with more detail). This is NOT a discussion list. The list does not set Reply-To, so you should set it to where you want followup discussion to go, if you know how.

The announcement list sends to just about every Lojban email list there is. People can also subscribe to it directly, if they want to get announcements of general community interest but do not want to be on the main mailing lists.

Anything likely to be of interest to large segments of the Lojban community is on topic. In particular, "I'm starting Lojbanic project X and need help/feedback" is what the list is primarily intended for.

Other Mailing Lists

Other than the primary mailing lists, the following special interest lists exist:

  • ojban-pl, the Polish Lojban list
  • budjo, for discussion of Buddhism
  • xadni, a largely unused list for discussion of the experience of having a body, or something like that
  • le jbocertu cu bau casnu vecu'u a jbosnu{ANAME()}jbosnu{ANAME} (nothing but spam these days)
  • jefnuz is a subscribe-and-don't-post list for receiving the weekly community news.
  • snakarni is a list for audio-bloggers, especially for CinchCast users.
  • oĵbanistoj is a lojban mailing list where discussions occur in Esperanto

Voice

  • The Lojbanic Phone Group: arrange a voice call (phone or VoIP) with another Lojban speaker at any skill level.
  • Mumble: a vocal chatroom
  • inch is an audio-blogging service which allows its users to record directly to the website or phone in to record.

Microblogging{ANAME()}microblogging{ANAME}

As microblogging has become more popular among the internets as a whole, it's also started to be noticed in Lojbanistan.

identi.ca

Sometimes known as la aidentikar. There's a Lojban group called !lojban.

Twitter

Lojbanic posts on witter are sometimes tagged #lojban, but it's also fun to earch for Lojban without the # to see what random strangers are saying about us!

Other Forums{ANAME()}other{ANAME}

The Lojban MOO

The Lojban MOO is a type of MUD (a multi-user online text adventure game, sort of) that is fully bilingual in its command set.

jboselkei

boselkei is an online game of translation from English to Lojban, featuring rating calculation for users. If you don't know how this or that is translated to Lojban, ask it in jboselkei, and as the game proceeds, expect to see one or even more translations of your 'post' made by jboselkei players, with comments. If you are an experienced lojbanist, you will always find a couple or more challenging 'tough nuts' awaiting your translation and promising rating points. jboselkei first appeared in Beta form in mid March 2006, and was upgraded for appearance and usability in November 2006. Playing in jboselkei is very exciting; you are welcome to join!

The Lojbanic Interactive Story

he Lojbanic Interactive Story is a web-based story writing forum. The story itself is all in Lojban. Anyone can add to it, please go contribute!

PHP based dedicated forum sites

LiveJournal

There has been a iveJournal community for Lojban for a long time, though it's often sleepy.

Archives Of Past Discussion

Mailing List Archives

There are locally stored archives of a number of lists.

The Google Groups lists should have complete, searchable archives stored in Google Groups itself.

In addition to this, for research purposes, there are as-complete-as-humanly-possible archives of all Google Groups lists stored as UNIX mail files on one of the lojban.org computers. If you need access to them, jbocre: ailto:[email protected] ail the LLG secretary.

IRC Logs

jbocre: resources/irclog/ ublic logs of the lojbanic portions of the IRC channel are available.

Note: the logs are filtered so that they contain only lojbanic text. However, you might still be offended by the things discussed there. If you are, that's your problem, and the LLG explicitly disclaims responsibility for anything said on the IRC channel, including by members or officers of the LLG.

Furthermore, no guarantee is made as to the correctness of the Lojban therein.