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The Internet Relay Chat (aka IRC)<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC</ref> channel is a place for people to textually chat in real-time.
{{se inspekte/en}}The Internet Relay Chat (aka IRC)<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC</ref> channel is a place for people to textually chat in real-time.
==If you got here by clicking on the topic in #lojban...==
==Connecting quickly==
...then you might be interested in these links.
To get connected to Lojban chat use any of the following methods (your and others' messages will be available in all of them no matter which method you use).
* [http://lojban.org/ Main Site]
 
* Lojban Only Channel: #jbosnu
People involved in Lojban community usually read each day's backlog and will answer your questions within several hours and often even within minutes.
* Classes for beginners: #ckule
 
* [[IRC Bots]]
===Facebook messenger===
* [http://vlasisku.lojban.org/ Word Lookup]
Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since September 2018.
* Parse Checkers: [http://www.lojban.org/jboski/ jboski] and [http://camxes.lojban.org/ camxes]
 
* [http://reddit.com/r/lojban reddit r/lojban]
# Install the free [https://messenger.com Facebook messenger] app on your Apple, Android or your desktop device
# join main Lojban chat groups by following these links:
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbYe-qKnVTDulmi5 lojban]</span> - talk in or about Lojban
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbYwBMXJh2d8FYOE ckule]</span> - ask questions arising while your study of Lojban
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbbkOHJdyXYlZg50 jbosnu]</span> - talk in Lojban only
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/Abaph5Ju2IprttSq jboselbau]</span> - for any offtopic discussions :)
 
Other groups:
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbbCPCo4oa01N6Uy rusko]</span> - Lojban - Russian group
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbZqXW4zik9lwalA polsk]</span> - lojban - polska grupa (Lojban - Polish group)
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/Abb8p3uj6Tl_gbqa ponjbo]</span> - Lojban - Japanese group
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbborQymsoIgbkr6 tokpona]</span> - Lojban - Tokipona group
 
===Telegram===
[[Image:Telegram logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since the beginning of 2016.
 
# Install the free [https://telegram.org Telegram messenger] app on your Apple, Android or your desktop device
# join main Lojban chat groups by following these links:
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsYz3hCF8mCAb6fzW1Rw lojban]</span> - talk in or about Lojban
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://telegram.me/joinchat/BLVsYz4hC9ulWahupDLovA ckule]</span> - ask questions arising while your study of Lojban
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://telegram.me/joinchat/BLVsYz20Boixl0xN-0TrPw jbosnu]</span> - talk in Lojban only
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://telegram.me/joinchat/CJYorT2ma6UVfhb9YThEqw jboselbau]</span> - for any offtopic discussions :)
 
Other groups:
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY0srQSQCgg-dAXpChA rusko]</span> - Lojban - Russian group
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY0Zwl7cpY1WSDm_iTA polsk]</span> - lojban - polska grupa (Lojban - Polish group)
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY1CaPEK6UyBZmloTdg ponjbo]</span> - Lojban - Japanese group
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/tokpona tokpona]</span> - Lojban - Tokipona group
 
===Mattermost ===
Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since September 2018.
 
Signup via [https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw Framateam's server].


Here are some more links for Lojban learners and jbocre (from Facebook -- thanks [[gleki]]).
===Slack===
* [https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Yrxt9gAtqA_oSDD76Toq8VLSZjjOxJ5rkKsxFs3Cw8E/pub?start=true&loop=false&delayms=5000 A new very short popular introduction to Lojban.]
[[Image:Slack logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat for the last ~7 days or so.
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZjSTUK3hFI A short introduction to the core grammar concepts.]
# Open <span class="plainlinks">https://slaka.herokuapp.com</span> Submit your email and get an invite to <span class="plainlinks">http://lojban.slack.com</span> to your e-mail inbox.
* [http://dag.github.com/cll/ The full grammar]
# Open <span class="plainlinks">http://lojban.slack.com</span>
* [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/wavelessonscontinued A modern textbook (with few examples)]
# Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule channel, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban channel and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu channel.
* [https://sites.google.com/site/slovlacukt/file-cabinet An alternative offline dictionary]
* [http://www.memrise.com/courses/english/lojban/ A great place where you can learn lojban words online.] Just register on that website, try several courses and use the one that you like most.
* [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban Google Group]
* [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban-beginners Google Group for beginners.] This is where you can ask any questions (although, IRC and [https://www.facebook.com/groups/lojban/ the Facebook group] are also fine).
* [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/bpfk-list Google Group for BPFK work.]


==Connecting quickly==
===Direct web access===
Just open [[Special:WebChat|this page]], simply enter the captcha (text in skewed letters and numbers) and click "Connect". Easy!
[[Image:IRC logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to see messages that are sent only while you are connected.
#Navigate to <span class="plainlinks">[{{Webchat url kiwi}} the web-based IRC client (Kiwi)]</span>, choose a nickname you want yourself to be known as, and click "Start". Easy!  
#Click on the channel you want (tabs on the top of the page), and type your text in the text bar at the bottom - the last line at the bottom of the chat page.
#Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule tab, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban tab and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu tab.
 
You may alternately try <span class="plainlinks">[{{Webchat url qwebirc}} another client (Qwebirc)]</span>.
 
=== Trickier ways of connecting ===
This is for geeks. If you have an IRC application installed use the following information:
*The Lojban IRC channel is on the [http://freenode.net Freenode IRC network]. Use '''irc.lojban.org''' or '''chat.freenode.net''' for the server, port '''6667''' (or 6679 for an SSL-encrypted connection). Registering with NickServ is recommended.
*The three channels are used:
** [irc://irc.freenode.net/lojban #lojban] for basic discussions in any language,
** [irc://irc.freenode.net/ckule #ckule] for questions from new learners in any language and
** [irc://irc.freenode.net/jbosnu #jbosnu] for discussions in Lojban only.
It is recommended, but by no means required, that you learn what IRC is by briefly reading some of the [http://www.mirc.com/ircintro.html IRC Frequently Asked Questions] or [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html The IRC Prelude].


Click on the channel you want (tabs on the top of the page), and type your text in the text bar at the bottom - the last line at the bottom of the chat page.
You may also use [https://irssi.org/ irssi command line app] on your server to keep the whole log of chat activity.


Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule tab, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban tab and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu tab.
== Conduct ==
== Conduct ==
There are almost always more than 100 people connected, but most of the time, they'll be idle. Say '''coi''', hit Enter and wait. Get a soda. Practice your vocabulary. But be patient. Dedicated IRC'ers don't sit in front of the computer 24/7 waiting to respond within 10 seconds of everything said. Think of it as sort of a fast moving message board.
There are almost always more than 100 people connected, but since they live in different timezones most of the time, they'll be idle. Say '''coi''', hit Enter and wait. Get a soda. Practice your vocabulary. But be patient. Dedicated IRC'ers don't sit in front of the computer 24/7 waiting to respond within 10 seconds of everything said. Think of it as sort of a fast moving message board.


You might also have a look at the [[IRC cheat sheet|IRC cheat sheet]], which contains a list of translations of frequently used expressions.
You might also have a look at the [[IRC cheat sheet|IRC cheat sheet]], which contains a list of translations of frequently used expressions.


== Trickier ways of connecting ==
==[[IRC Bots]]==
The Lojban IRC channel is on the [http://freenode.net Freenode IRC network].


Use '''irc.lojban.org''' or '''chat.freenode.net''' for the server, port '''6667'''. The channel is '''#lojban'''. Registering with NickServ is recommended.
It is recommended, but by no means required, that you learn what IRC is by briefly reading some of the [http://www.mirc.com/ircintro.html IRC Frequently Asked Questions] or [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html The IRC Prelude].
== Rules ==
== Rules ==
Just behave and be respectful, don't intentionally try to annoy others. Don't worry though, usually you'll only annoy people if you're actively trying.
Just behave and be respectful, don't intentionally try to annoy others. Don't worry though, usually you'll only annoy people if you're actively trying.
== Logs ==
== Logs ==
There are now [http://www.lojban.org/irclogs/ public logs of the utterances in Lojban of the IRC channel]<ref>Thanks to help from Theodore Reed and Jordan DeLong</ref>.
There are [http://www.lojban.org/irclogs/ public logs of the utterances in Lojban of the IRC channel]<ref>Thanks to help from Theodore Reed and Jordan DeLong</ref>.
:The logs are filtered so that they contain only Lojban text. However, you might still be offended by the things discussed there. If you are, that's your problem and the [[LLG|LLG]] explicitly disclaims responsibility for anything said on the IRC channel, including by members or officers of the [[LLG]].
 
The logs are filtered so that they contain only Lojban text. However, you might still be offended by the things discussed there. If you are, that's your problem and the [[LLG]] explicitly disclaims responsibility for anything said on the IRC channel, including by members or officers of the [[LLG]].
 
Furthermore, no guarantee is made as to the correctness of the Lojban therein. Nonetheless, the IRC logs currently constitute one of the largest corpora of Lojban text.
Furthermore, no guarantee is made as to the correctness of the Lojban therein. Nonetheless, the IRC logs currently constitute one of the largest corpora of Lojban text.
== Discussion Topics ==
== Discussion Topics ==
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==References==
==References==
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Revision as of 08:02, 21 September 2018

The Internet Relay Chat (aka IRC)[1] channel is a place for people to textually chat in real-time.

Connecting quickly

To get connected to Lojban chat use any of the following methods (your and others' messages will be available in all of them no matter which method you use).

People involved in Lojban community usually read each day's backlog and will answer your questions within several hours and often even within minutes.

Facebook messenger

Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since September 2018.

  1. Install the free Facebook messenger app on your Apple, Android or your desktop device
  2. join main Lojban chat groups by following these links:
    • lojban - talk in or about Lojban
    • ckule - ask questions arising while your study of Lojban
    • jbosnu - talk in Lojban only
    • jboselbau - for any offtopic discussions :)

Other groups:

  1. rusko - Lojban - Russian group
  2. polsk - lojban - polska grupa (Lojban - Polish group)
  3. ponjbo - Lojban - Japanese group
  4. tokpona - Lojban - Tokipona group

Telegram

Telegram logo.svg

Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since the beginning of 2016.

  1. Install the free Telegram messenger app on your Apple, Android or your desktop device
  2. join main Lojban chat groups by following these links:
    • lojban - talk in or about Lojban
    • ckule - ask questions arising while your study of Lojban
    • jbosnu - talk in Lojban only
    • jboselbau - for any offtopic discussions :)

Other groups:

  1. rusko - Lojban - Russian group
  2. polsk - lojban - polska grupa (Lojban - Polish group)
  3. ponjbo - Lojban - Japanese group
  4. tokpona - Lojban - Tokipona group

Mattermost

Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since September 2018.

Signup via Framateam's server.

Slack

Slack logo.svg

Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat for the last ~7 days or so.

  1. Open https://slaka.herokuapp.com Submit your email and get an invite to http://lojban.slack.com to your e-mail inbox.
  2. Open http://lojban.slack.com
  3. Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule channel, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban channel and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu channel.

Direct web access

IRC logo.svg

Using this method you will be able to see messages that are sent only while you are connected.

  1. Navigate to the web-based IRC client (Kiwi), choose a nickname you want yourself to be known as, and click "Start". Easy!
  2. Click on the channel you want (tabs on the top of the page), and type your text in the text bar at the bottom - the last line at the bottom of the chat page.
  3. Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule tab, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban tab and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu tab.

You may alternately try another client (Qwebirc).

Trickier ways of connecting

This is for geeks. If you have an IRC application installed use the following information:

  • The Lojban IRC channel is on the Freenode IRC network. Use irc.lojban.org or chat.freenode.net for the server, port 6667 (or 6679 for an SSL-encrypted connection). Registering with NickServ is recommended.
  • The three channels are used:
    • #lojban for basic discussions in any language,
    • #ckule for questions from new learners in any language and
    • #jbosnu for discussions in Lojban only.

It is recommended, but by no means required, that you learn what IRC is by briefly reading some of the IRC Frequently Asked Questions or The IRC Prelude.

You may also use irssi command line app on your server to keep the whole log of chat activity.

Conduct

There are almost always more than 100 people connected, but since they live in different timezones most of the time, they'll be idle. Say coi, hit Enter and wait. Get a soda. Practice your vocabulary. But be patient. Dedicated IRC'ers don't sit in front of the computer 24/7 waiting to respond within 10 seconds of everything said. Think of it as sort of a fast moving message board.

You might also have a look at the IRC cheat sheet, which contains a list of translations of frequently used expressions.

IRC Bots

Rules

Just behave and be respectful, don't intentionally try to annoy others. Don't worry though, usually you'll only annoy people if you're actively trying.

Logs

There are public logs of the utterances in Lojban of the IRC channel[2].

The logs are filtered so that they contain only Lojban text. However, you might still be offended by the things discussed there. If you are, that's your problem and the LLG explicitly disclaims responsibility for anything said on the IRC channel, including by members or officers of the LLG.

Furthermore, no guarantee is made as to the correctness of the Lojban therein. Nonetheless, the IRC logs currently constitute one of the largest corpora of Lojban text.

Discussion Topics

A list of interesting discussion topics, about the nature of the language, is being actively maintained and copied into this wiki. They often include specific terminology. The discussions are presented as is, copied from the IRC channel.

References

  1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC
  2. Thanks to help from Theodore Reed and Jordan DeLong