https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Lojban_Central&feed=atom&action=historyLojban Central - Revision history2024-03-29T06:37:24ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.38.4https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Lojban_Central&diff=108936&oldid=prevGleki at 11:59, 26 September 20142014-09-26T11:59:56Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The political undertones of the phrase (introducing an ''us-and-them'' tone) are clear, and are not necessarily welcomed by the referents of the phrase: the LLG has always insisted that the language is controlled only by the community (once the [[baseline]] is achieved), and happily the language community has not been plagued by the kind of dictatorial control exemplified by Schleyer and his Volapük. It did, after all, originate in a [[Loglan <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">chism|Loglan chism</del>]] provoked by just such control.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The political undertones of the phrase (introducing an ''us-and-them'' tone) are clear, and are not necessarily welcomed by the referents of the phrase: the LLG has always insisted that the language is controlled only by the community (once the [[baseline]] is achieved), and happily the language community has not been plagued by the kind of dictatorial control exemplified by Schleyer and his Volapük. It did, after all, originate in a [[Loglan <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">schism</ins>]] provoked by just such control.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Many of the contentions people have around Lojban Central originate in the [[supplicatory model|supplicatory model]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Many of the contentions people have around Lojban Central originate in the [[supplicatory model|supplicatory model]].</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*:[[Lojban Cabal|Lojban Cabal]]? We meet on alternating Wednesdays and the meetings are held in English. I have taken "Lojban Central" to mean the LLG membership, but 'Central isn't necessarily the locus of actual language development, and nobody thinks it has any coercive authority, or has necessarily unified opinion on anything. Hence the term lacks the political resonations that might arise with, say, the Central Committee of a Communist Party.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*:[[Lojban Cabal|Lojban Cabal]]? We meet on alternating Wednesdays and the meetings are held in English. I have taken "Lojban Central" to mean the LLG membership, but 'Central isn't necessarily the locus of actual language development, and nobody thinks it has any coercive authority, or has necessarily unified opinion on anything. Hence the term lacks the political resonations that might arise with, say, the Central Committee of a Communist Party.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**[[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Admittedly, the definition above reflects the author's perceptions <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(''mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]'' :-) ) </del>as they were formed in the early '90s, when there was certainly a clear sense of at least power of veto and coordination emanating from a Lojban Central. (Well, that was my sense, anyway.) The publication of [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The Complete Lojban Language|</del>The Complete Lojban Language]], and more recent developments render this perception partially obsolete. There is, however, still a board (with its membership recently surprisingly augmented!), and there are still administrative decisions being taken. So while the resonances aren't as strong as the CCCP, they aren't zero, either. [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8779] , for example, speaks of Lojban Central as an entity with vetting power, distinct from the LLG. The line it takes is by no means universally held in the community (yes, we know who posted it :-) ); but some people in the community are inclined to think this way..<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. --- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]</del>. (For a possible example, see the currently bottommost entry in [[baseline|baseline]].)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**:</ins>Admittedly, the definition above reflects the author's perceptions as they were formed in the early '90s, when there was certainly a clear sense of at least power of veto and coordination emanating from a Lojban Central. (Well, that was my sense, anyway.) The publication of [[The Complete Lojban Language]], and more recent developments render this perception partially obsolete. There is, however, still a board (with its membership recently surprisingly augmented!), and there are still administrative decisions being taken. So while the resonances aren't as strong as the CCCP, they aren't zero, either. [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8779 <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">One message</ins>], for example, speaks of Lojban Central as an entity with vetting power, distinct from the LLG. The line it takes is by no means universally held in the community (yes, we know who posted it :-) ); but some people in the community are inclined to think this way... (For a possible example, see the currently bottommost entry in [[baseline|baseline]].)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">----</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*:</ins>To me, ''Lojban Central'' has resonances of ''Moscow Centre'', Soviet espionage HQ in the novels of John Le Carre. Hence it has a sense both of something Soviet, operating by diktat, and something secret and closed to outsiders. The term is jocular of course; Lojbab is hardly Karla!</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>To me, ''Lojban Central'' has resonances of ''Moscow Centre'', Soviet espionage HQ in the novels of John Le Carre. Hence it has a sense both of something Soviet, operating by diktat, and something secret and closed to outsiders. The term is jocular of course; Lojbab is hardly Karla! <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(''mi'e And'')</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**[[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]:</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***:</ins>The mailing list, of course, is only a front for the outer layer of the Cabal. We want you to think that's who is in charge. The real power lies elsewhere...</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">**:</ins>hrm. i've love to see shea and anton's illuminatus trilogy translated. that'd be an absolute mindfuck. i'll pay for a completed translation. bids? :)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''Lojban Central'' is a </del>term <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">coined while language development was still active (early '90s)</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to refer to </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">leadership of </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The Logical Language Group</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The Logical Language Group</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, both in its administrative role </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in its role as guiding language development</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The term was popularised by </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User:Nick Nicholas</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Nick Nicholas</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>as <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">alluded </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">already </del>in <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[</del>http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">msg00087</del>.html,<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">] but as [</del>http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">9108</del>/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">msg00048</del>.html<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">] shows</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">it appears </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">originate with </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">John Cowan|John Cowan</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: </del>[http://<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">wiw</del>.org/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">~jkominek</del>/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">lojban</del>/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">9108</del>/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">msg00035.html</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The </ins>term <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">includes</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">first instance, </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">User:Bob LeChevalier</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Bob LeChevalier</ins>]] and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">One could argue that it includes [[pc|pc]] and </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">John Cowan</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">John Cowan</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(who coined the term) </ins>as <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">well. John tends not </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">agree (citing his Organization </ins>in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">email headers as ''Lojban Peripheral'' for a long time), and used the term to refer to Bob and Nora very early on<ref></ins>http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">msg00074</ins>.html<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ref>. Nevertheless</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">he used <ref></ins>http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">9201</ins>/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">msg00102</ins>.html<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ref> it in the sense that included himself. It is perfectly legitimate, of course</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">for membership in Lojban Central </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">be fuzzy (as in </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Fuzzy Logic</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.) And since it is invoked in a fashion similar to the </ins>[http://<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">www.faqs</ins>.org/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">faqs</ins>/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">usenet</ins>/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">cabal-conspiracy-FAQ</ins>/ <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Usenet Cabal] of yore, membership in it is probably also fairly nebulous</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The] term includes, in the first instance, [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]] and [[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]. One could argue that it includes [[pc|pc]] and [[John Cowan|John Cowan]] (who coined the term) as well. John tends not to agree (citing his Organization in email headers as ''Lojban Peripheral'' for a long time), and used the term to refer to Bob and Nora very early on: [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/msg00074.html] . (But see [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9201/msg00102.html] , where he uses it to include himself.) It is perfectly legitimate, of course, for membership in Lojban Central to be fuzzy (as in [[Fuzzy Logic|Fuzzy Logic]].) And since it is invoked in a fashion similar to the [http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/cabal-conspiracy-FAQ/ senet Cabal] of yore, membership in it is probably also fairly nebulous.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The political undertones of the phrase (introducing an ''us-and-them'' tone) are clear, and are not necessarily welcomed by the referents of the phrase: the LLG has always insisted that the language is controlled only by the community (once the [[baseline]] is achieved), and happily the language community has not been plagued by the kind of dictatorial control exemplified by Schleyer and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">his Volapük</ins>. It did, after all, originate in a [[Loglan chism|Loglan chism]] provoked by just such control.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The political undertones of the phrase (introducing an ''us-and-them'' tone) are clear, and are not necessarily welcomed by the referents of the phrase: the LLG has always insisted that the language is controlled only by the community (once the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">baseline|</del>baseline]] is achieved), and happily the language community has not been plagued by the kind of dictatorial control exemplified by Schleyer and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Volap�k</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(</del>It did, after all, originate in a [[Loglan chism|Loglan chism]] provoked by just such control.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">)</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Many of the contentions people have around Lojban Central originate in the [[supplicatory model|supplicatory model]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Many of the contentions people have around Lojban Central originate in the [[supplicatory model|supplicatory model]].</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>[[Lojban Cabal|Lojban Cabal]]? We meet on alternating Wednesdays and the meetings are held in English. I have taken "Lojban Central" to mean the LLG membership, but 'Central isn't necessarily the locus of actual language development, and nobody thinks it has any coercive authority, or has necessarily unified opinion on anything. Hence the term lacks the political resonations that might arise with, say, the Central Committee of a Communist Party. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> --xod''</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">*:</ins>[[Lojban Cabal|Lojban Cabal]]? We meet on alternating Wednesdays and the meetings are held in English. I have taken "Lojban Central" to mean the LLG membership, but 'Central isn't necessarily the locus of actual language development, and nobody thinks it has any coercive authority, or has necessarily unified opinion on anything. Hence the term lacks the political resonations that might arise with, say, the Central Committee of a Communist Party.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Admittedly, the definition above reflects the author's perceptions (''mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]'' :-) ) as they were formed in the early '90s, when there was certainly a clear sense of at least power of veto and coordination emanating from a Lojban Central. (Well, that was my sense, anyway.) The publication of [[The Complete Lojban Language|The Complete Lojban Language]], and more recent developments render this perception partially obsolete. There is, however, still a board (with its membership recently surprisingly augmented!), and there are still administrative decisions being taken. So while the resonances aren't as strong as the CCCP, they aren't zero, either. [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8779] , for example, speaks of Lojban Central as an entity with vetting power, distinct from the LLG. The line it takes is by no means universally held in the community (yes, we know who posted it :-) ); but some people in the community are inclined to think this way... --- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]. (For a possible example, see the currently bottommost entry in [[baseline|baseline]].)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Admittedly, the definition above reflects the author's perceptions (''mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]'' :-) ) as they were formed in the early '90s, when there was certainly a clear sense of at least power of veto and coordination emanating from a Lojban Central. (Well, that was my sense, anyway.) The publication of [[The Complete Lojban Language|The Complete Lojban Language]], and more recent developments render this perception partially obsolete. There is, however, still a board (with its membership recently surprisingly augmented!), and there are still administrative decisions being taken. So while the resonances aren't as strong as the CCCP, they aren't zero, either. [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8779] , for example, speaks of Lojban Central as an entity with vetting power, distinct from the LLG. The line it takes is by no means universally held in the community (yes, we know who posted it :-) ); but some people in the community are inclined to think this way... --- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]. (For a possible example, see the currently bottommost entry in [[baseline|baseline]].)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The] term includes, in the first instance, [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]] and [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]. One could argue that it includes [[pc|pc]] and [[John Cowan|John Cowan]] (who coined the term) as well. John tends not to agree (citing his Organization in email headers as ''Lojban Peripheral'' for a long time), and used the term to refer to Bob and Nora very early on: [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/msg00074.html] . (But see [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9201/msg00102.html] , where he uses it to include himself.) It is perfectly legitimate, of course, for membership in Lojban Central to be fuzzy (as in [[Fuzzy Logic|Fuzzy Logic]].) And since it is invoked in a fashion similar to the [http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/cabal-conspiracy-FAQ/ senet Cabal] of yore, membership in it is probably also fairly nebulous.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The] term includes, in the first instance, [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]] and [[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]. One could argue that it includes [[pc|pc]] and [[John Cowan|John Cowan]] (who coined the term) as well. John tends not to agree (citing his Organization in email headers as ''Lojban Peripheral'' for a long time), and used the term to refer to Bob and Nora very early on: [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/msg00074.html] . (But see [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9201/msg00102.html] , where he uses it to include himself.) It is perfectly legitimate, of course, for membership in Lojban Central to be fuzzy (as in [[Fuzzy Logic|Fuzzy Logic]].) And since it is invoked in a fashion similar to the [http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/cabal-conspiracy-FAQ/ senet Cabal] of yore, membership in it is probably also fairly nebulous.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>Lojban Cabal|Lojban Cabal]]? We meet on alternating Wednesdays and the meetings are held in English. I have taken "Lojban Central" to mean the LLG membership, but 'Central isn't necessarily the locus of actual language development, and nobody thinks it has any coercive authority, or has necessarily unified opinion on anything. Hence the term lacks the political resonations that might arise with, say, the Central Committee of a Communist Party. --xod''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''[[Lojban Cabal|Lojban Cabal]]? We meet on alternating Wednesdays and the meetings are held in English. I have taken "Lojban Central" to mean the LLG membership, but 'Central isn't necessarily the locus of actual language development, and nobody thinks it has any coercive authority, or has necessarily unified opinion on anything. Hence the term lacks the political resonations that might arise with, say, the Central Committee of a Communist Party. --xod''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Admittedly, the definition above reflects the author's perceptions (''mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]'' :-) ) as they were formed in the early '90s, when there was certainly a clear sense of at least power of veto and coordination emanating from a Lojban Central. (Well, that was my sense, anyway.) The publication of [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>The Complete Lojban Language|The Complete Lojban Language]], and more recent developments render this perception partially obsolete. There is, however, still a board (with its membership recently surprisingly augmented!), and there are still administrative decisions being taken. So while the resonances aren't as strong as the CCCP, they aren't zero, either. [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8779] , for example, speaks of Lojban Central as an entity with vetting power, distinct from the LLG. The line it takes is by no means universally held in the community (yes, we know who posted it :-) ); but some people in the community are inclined to think this way... --- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]. (For a possible example, see the currently bottommost entry in [[baseline|baseline]].)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Admittedly, the definition above reflects the author's perceptions (''mi'e [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]'' :-) ) as they were formed in the early '90s, when there was certainly a clear sense of at least power of veto and coordination emanating from a Lojban Central. (Well, that was my sense, anyway.) The publication of [[The Complete Lojban Language|The Complete Lojban Language]], and more recent developments render this perception partially obsolete. There is, however, still a board (with its membership recently surprisingly augmented!), and there are still administrative decisions being taken. So while the resonances aren't as strong as the CCCP, they aren't zero, either. [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/8779] , for example, speaks of Lojban Central as an entity with vetting power, distinct from the LLG. The line it takes is by no means universally held in the community (yes, we know who posted it :-) ); but some people in the community are inclined to think this way... --- [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]. (For a possible example, see the currently bottommost entry in [[baseline|baseline]].)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Lojban Central'' is a term coined while language development was still active (early '90s), to refer to the leadership of [[jbocre: The Logical Language Group|The Logical Language Group]], both in its administrative role and in its role as guiding language development. The term was popularised by [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]], as alluded to already in [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/msg00087.html,] but as [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/msg00048.html] shows, it appears to originate with [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>John Cowan|John Cowan]]: [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/msg00035.html.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Lojban Central'' is a term coined while language development was still active (early '90s), to refer to the leadership of [[jbocre: The Logical Language Group|The Logical Language Group]], both in its administrative role and in its role as guiding language development. The term was popularised by [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]], as alluded to already in [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/msg00087.html,] but as [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/msg00048.html] shows, it appears to originate with [[John Cowan|John Cowan]]: [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/msg00035.html.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The] term includes, in the first instance, [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]] and [[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]. One could argue that it includes [[pc|pc]] and [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>John Cowan|John Cowan]] (who coined the term) as well. John tends not to agree (citing his Organization in email headers as ''Lojban Peripheral'' for a long time), and used the term to refer to Bob and Nora very early on: [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/msg00074.html] . (But see [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9201/msg00102.html] , where he uses it to include himself.) It is perfectly legitimate, of course, for membership in Lojban Central to be fuzzy (as in [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>Fuzzy Logic|Fuzzy Logic]].) And since it is invoked in a fashion similar to the [http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/cabal-conspiracy-FAQ/ senet Cabal] of yore, membership in it is probably also fairly nebulous.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The] term includes, in the first instance, [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]] and [[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]. One could argue that it includes [[pc|pc]] and [[John Cowan|John Cowan]] (who coined the term) as well. John tends not to agree (citing his Organization in email headers as ''Lojban Peripheral'' for a long time), and used the term to refer to Bob and Nora very early on: [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9108/msg00074.html] . (But see [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9201/msg00102.html] , where he uses it to include himself.) It is perfectly legitimate, of course, for membership in Lojban Central to be fuzzy (as in [[Fuzzy Logic|Fuzzy Logic]].) And since it is invoked in a fashion similar to the [http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/cabal-conspiracy-FAQ/ senet Cabal] of yore, membership in it is probably also fairly nebulous.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The political undertones of the phrase (introducing an ''us-and-them'' tone) are clear, and are not necessarily welcomed by the referents of the phrase: the LLG has always insisted that the language is controlled only by the community (once the [[baseline|baseline]] is achieved), and happily the language community has not been plagued by the kind of dictatorial control exemplified by Schleyer and Volap�k. (It did, after all, originate in a [[jbocre: Loglan chism|Loglan chism]] provoked by just such control.)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The political undertones of the phrase (introducing an ''us-and-them'' tone) are clear, and are not necessarily welcomed by the referents of the phrase: the LLG has always insisted that the language is controlled only by the community (once the [[baseline|baseline]] is achieved), and happily the language community has not been plagued by the kind of dictatorial control exemplified by Schleyer and Volap�k. (It did, after all, originate in a [[jbocre: Loglan chism|Loglan chism]] provoked by just such control.)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** hrm. i've love to see shea and anton's illuminatus trilogy translated. that'd be an absolute mindfuck. i'll pay for a completed translation. bids? :) --[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">jbocre: </del>Jay Kominek|Jay]]</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** hrm. i've love to see shea and anton's illuminatus trilogy translated. that'd be an absolute mindfuck. i'll pay for a completed translation. bids? :) --[[Jay Kominek|Jay]]</div></td></tr>
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