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Here are the current trial drafts of the [http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dictionary%20project/E-to-L-RH1.html English-to-Loglan] and [http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dictionary%20project/L-to-E-RH1.html Loglan-to-English] dictionaries with latest trial words by | Here are the current trial drafts of the [http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dictionary%20project/E-to-L-RH1.html English-to-Loglan] and [http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dictionary%20project/L-to-E-RH1.html Loglan-to-English] dictionaries with latest trial words by Randall Holmes, the CEO of TLI, added. | ||
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Revision as of 23:20, 29 July 2014
TLI Loglan - the original version of Loglan, which many of us feel to be inferior to Lojban, is still available. Go to http://www.loglan.org/.
There is also the Loglanists mailing list (archived only from 2013 on).
The Logical Language Group claims that the word Loglan is generic, and applies to Lojban as well. It was vindicated after a drawn-out legal process. Because the Loglan effort was coordinated by The Loglan Institute, one will also see the older variant of the language called Institute Loglan.
See also
Lojban vs. Loglan. Comparison
For the Lojbanists interested in history: a grammatical comparison of Loglan vs. Lojban
- terminology
- prim(itive) = gismu (see also gismu != primitives)
- borrowing = fu'ivla
- complex, CPX = lujvo (hence pluja valsi)
- metaphor = tanru
- little word, LW = cmavo (hence cmalu valsi!)
- affix, <djifoa> = rafsi
- lexeme = selma'o (in the extended sense)
- GMR (Great Morphological Revolution) = introduction of rafsi system into the language (pre-split)
- Phonetics/Orthography
- Vowels
- diphthongs are ai, ei, oi, ao (= Lojban au)
- optional diphthongs are iV, uV
- all other vowel pairs are pronounced with glides
- no equivalent of ', so no contrast like ai/a'i
- Consonants
- role of x is taken by h
- Extra letters (used only in names, borrowings):
- x, pronounced as in Lojban
- q, IPA [T] = English unvoiced th
- w, IPA [y] = German ü, French u
- Vowels
- Capitalization follows the pattern standard for the European languages: used in the beginning of a sentence and for proper names. Nonstandard stress is marked by an apostrophe preceding the stressed syllable.
- Morphology
- basically the same at time of split
- Loglan has added a new rule: in any lujvo beginning CVCC, where CC is a permissible initial, change to CVCyC. This eliminates the need for the slinku'i test (according to TLI)
- Vocabulary
- Gismu
- formed on the same principles
- very different in detail due to different weights (much more English-y) and presence of h instead of x
- see also Borrowing from Loglan
- see also The x2 place of blanu
- Rafsi
- don't necessarily have just one of CVC, CCV, or CVV forms, but maximum is still three
- Fu'ivla
- often use h-clusters to "solve" morphological problems (e.g. athomi = x1 is an atom)
- Cmavo
- show various "sound law" changes, e.g. Loglan gu = Lojban ku (but much more general "universal" terminator), Loglan no = Lojban na, Loglan noi = Lojban nai, Loglan keks = Lojban geks, Loglan ceks = Lojban jeks.
- Gismu
- Grammar
- masses/sets
- abstraction
- modals
- tenses
- relative clauses
- Imperative
- formed by omitting the x1 argument
- mekso
- attitudinals
- negation
- termsets
- Vocatives: hoi instead of doi (as in "rano, hoi Spat. I prano.")
- Usage/Style
Dictionaries
Here are the current trial drafts of the English-to-Loglan and Loglan-to-English dictionaries with latest trial words by Randall Holmes, the CEO of TLI, added.