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''TLI Loglan'' - the original version of Loglan, which many of us feel to be inferior to [[Lojban]], is still available. Go to [http://www.loglan.org/ http://www.loglan.org/].
''TLI Loglan'' - the original version of Loglan, being developed by the Academy of Loglan. In 1987 based on the original Loglan a new language called Lojban appeared thus leading to a split between the two languages.
 
There is also [https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/loglanists the ''Loglanists'' mailing list] (archived only from 2013 on).


[[The Logical Language Group]] claims that the word ''Loglan'' is generic, and applies to [[Lojban]] as well. It was vindicated after a drawn-out legal process. Because the Loglan effort was coordinated by [[The Loglan Institute|The Loglan Institute]], one will also see the older variant of the language called ''Institute Loglan''.  TLI itself grants this point, and refers to the language it develops as TLI Loglan when the context requires a distinction from the sister languages.
[[The Logical Language Group]] claims that the word ''Loglan'' is generic, and applies to [[Lojban]] as well. It was vindicated after a drawn-out legal process. Because the Loglan effort was coordinated by [[The Loglan Institute|The Loglan Institute]], one will also see the older variant of the language called ''Institute Loglan''.  TLI itself grants this point, and refers to the language it develops as TLI Loglan when the context requires a distinction from the sister languages.


See also
This wiki uses angular brackets to mark texts in TLI Loglan, e.g.: <blanu>, <djifoa>.
* [[LojbanicMythology|Lojbanic Mythology]]
* [[Borrowing from Loglan|Borrowing from Loglan]]
* [[The Loglan-Lojban Dispute]]
 
==Lojban vs. Loglan. Comparison==
==Lojban vs. Loglan. Comparison==
For the Lojbanists interested in history: a grammatical comparison of Loglan vs. Lojban
Correspondence between English names of grammatical terms for Loglan and their names in Lojban.
* terminology
* terminology
** prim(itive) = [[gismu]] (see also [[gismu != primitives|gismu != primitives]])
** prim(itive) = [[gismu]] (see also [[gismu != primitives|gismu != primitives]])
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* Phonetics/Orthography
* Phonetics/Orthography
** Vowels
** Vowels
*** diphthongs are ai, ei, oi, ao (= Lojban au)
*** diphthongs are <ai>, <ei>, <oi>, <ao> (= '''au''' in Lojban)
*** optional diphthongs are iV, uV
*** optional diphthongs are "iV", "uV"
*** all other vowel pairs are pronounced with glides
*** all other vowel pairs are pronounced with glides
*** no equivalent of ', so no contrast like ai/a'i
*** no equivalent of Lojbanic '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''', so no contrast like '''ai'''/'''a'i'''
** Consonants
** Consonants
*** role of x is taken by h
*** role of '''x''' is taken by <h>
*** Extra letters (used only in names, borrowings):
*** Extra letters (used only in names, borrowings):
**** x, pronounced as in Lojban
**** <x>, pronounced as in Lojban
**** q, IPA <nowiki>[T]</nowiki> = English unvoiced ''th''
**** <nowiki><q>, IPA </nowiki><nowiki>[T]</nowiki> = English unvoiced ''th''
**** w, IPA <nowiki>[y]</nowiki> = German ''ü'', French ''u''
**** <w>, IPA <nowiki>[y]</nowiki> = German ''ü'', French ''u''
 
** Capitalization follows the pattern standard for the European languages: used in the beginning of a sentence and for proper names. Nonstandard stress is marked by an apostrophe preceding the stressed syllable.
** Capitalization follows the pattern standard for the European languages: used in the beginning of a sentence and for proper names. Nonstandard stress is marked by an apostrophe preceding the stressed syllable.
* Morphology
* Morphology
** basically the same at time of split
** basically the same at time of split
** Loglan has added a new rule: in any lujvo beginning CVCC, where CC is a permissible initial, change to CVCyC.  This eliminates the need for the slinku'i test (according to TLI). There are some other differences, notably in formation of borrowings.
** Loglan has added a new rule: in any lujvo beginning CVCC, where CC is a permissible initial, change to CVCyC.  This eliminates the need for the [[slinku'i]] test. There are some other differences, notably in formation of borrowings.
* Vocabulary
* Vocabulary
** Gismu
** Gismu
*** formed on the same principles
*** formed on the same principles
*** very different in detail due to different weights (much more English-y) and presence of h instead of x
*** very different in detail due to different weights (much more English-y) and presence of <h> instead of '''x'''
*** see also [[Borrowing from Loglan|Borrowing from Loglan]]
*** see also [[Borrowing from Loglan|Borrowing from Loglan]]
*** see also [[The x2 place of blanu|The x2 place of blanu]]
*** see also [[The x2 place of blanu|The x2 place of blanu]]
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*** don't necessarily have just one of CVC, CCV, or CVV forms, but maximum is still three
*** don't necessarily have just one of CVC, CCV, or CVV forms, but maximum is still three
** Fu'ivla
** Fu'ivla
*** often use h-clusters to "solve" morphological problems (e.g. ''athomi'' = x1 is an atom)
*** often use <h>-clusters to "solve" morphological problems (e.g. <athomi> = ''x1 is an atom'')
** Cmavo
** Cmavo
*** show various "sound law" changes, e.g. Loglan gu = Lojban ku (but much more general "universal" terminator), Loglan no = Lojban na, Loglan noi = Lojban nai, Loglan keks = Lojban geks, Loglan ceks = Lojban jeks.
*** show various "sound law" changes, e.g. Loglan <gu> = Lojban '''ku''' (but much more general "universal" terminator), Loglan <no> = Lojban '''na''', Loglan <noi> = Lojban '''nai''', Loglan "kek"s = Lojban GA, Loglan "cek"s = Lojban JA.
* Grammar
* Grammar
** masses/sets
** masses/sets
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** negation
** negation
** termsets
** termsets
** Vocatives: hoi instead of doi (as in "[http://www.loglan.org/Texts/vizka-la-spat.html rano, hoi Spat. I prano.]")
** Vocatives: <hoi> instead of '''doi''' (as in <[http://www.loglan.org/Texts/vizka-la-spat.html rano, hoi Spat. I prano.]>)
* Usage/Style
* Usage/Style
** [[ELG: Raising|sumti raising]]
** [[ELG: Raising|sumti raising]]
==Dictionaries==
==Dictionaries==
Here are the current trial drafts of the [http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dictionary%20project/E-to-L-RH1.html English-to-Loglan] and [http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dictionary%20project/L-to-E-RH1.html Loglan-to-English] dictionaries with latest trial words by Randall Holmes, the CEO of TLI, added.
Here are the current trial drafts of the [http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dictionary%20project/E-to-L-RH1.html English-to-Loglan] and [http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dictionary%20project/L-to-E-RH1.html Loglan-to-English] dictionaries with latest trial words by Randall Holmes, the CEO of TLI, added.
==Mapping between Loglan "prims" and Lojban brivla==
http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/oldlog.txt


=Links=
* [http://www.loglan.org/ www.loglan.org] - the official website
* [https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/loglanists the ''Loglanists ''mailing list] (archived only from 2013 on)
* [[LojbanicMythology]]
* [[Borrowing from Loglan]]
* [[The Loglan-Lojban Dispute]]
[[Category:dzejbo]]
[[Category:dzejbo]]
[[Category:mupli lo bangu]][[Category:logji bangu]]
[[Category:mupli lo bangu]][[Category:logji bangu]]

Latest revision as of 11:37, 15 October 2014

TLI Loglan - the original version of Loglan, being developed by the Academy of Loglan. In 1987 based on the original Loglan a new language called Lojban appeared thus leading to a split between the two languages.

The Logical Language Group claims that the word Loglan is generic, and applies to Lojban as well. It was vindicated after a drawn-out legal process. Because the Loglan effort was coordinated by The Loglan Institute, one will also see the older variant of the language called Institute Loglan. TLI itself grants this point, and refers to the language it develops as TLI Loglan when the context requires a distinction from the sister languages.

This wiki uses angular brackets to mark texts in TLI Loglan, e.g.: <blanu>, <djifoa>.

Lojban vs. Loglan. Comparison

Correspondence between English names of grammatical terms for Loglan and their names in Lojban.

  • terminology
  • Phonetics/Orthography
    • Vowels
      • diphthongs are <ai>, <ei>, <oi>, <ao> (= au in Lojban)
      • optional diphthongs are "iV", "uV"
      • all other vowel pairs are pronounced with glides
      • no equivalent of Lojbanic ', so no contrast like ai/a'i
    • Consonants
      • role of x is taken by <h>
      • Extra letters (used only in names, borrowings):
        • <x>, pronounced as in Lojban
        • <q>, IPA [T] = English unvoiced th
        • <w>, IPA [y] = German ü, French u
    • Capitalization follows the pattern standard for the European languages: used in the beginning of a sentence and for proper names. Nonstandard stress is marked by an apostrophe preceding the stressed syllable.
  • Morphology
    • basically the same at time of split
    • Loglan has added a new rule: in any lujvo beginning CVCC, where CC is a permissible initial, change to CVCyC. This eliminates the need for the slinku'i test. There are some other differences, notably in formation of borrowings.
  • Vocabulary
    • Gismu
    • Rafsi
      • don't necessarily have just one of CVC, CCV, or CVV forms, but maximum is still three
    • Fu'ivla
      • often use <h>-clusters to "solve" morphological problems (e.g. <athomi> = x1 is an atom)
    • Cmavo
      • show various "sound law" changes, e.g. Loglan <gu> = Lojban ku (but much more general "universal" terminator), Loglan <no> = Lojban na, Loglan <noi> = Lojban nai, Loglan "kek"s = Lojban GA, Loglan "cek"s = Lojban JA.
  • Grammar
    • masses/sets
    • abstraction
    • modals
    • tenses
    • relative clauses
    • Imperative
      • formed by omitting the x1 argument
    • mekso
    • attitudinals
    • negation
    • termsets
    • Vocatives: <hoi> instead of doi (as in <rano, hoi Spat. I prano.>)
  • Usage/Style

Dictionaries

Here are the current trial drafts of the English-to-Loglan and Loglan-to-English dictionaries with latest trial words by Randall Holmes, the CEO of TLI, added.

Mapping between Loglan "prims" and Lojban brivla

http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/oldlog.txt

Links