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==  Minutes of the 2000 Annual Meeting of the Members of [[jbocre: The Logical Language Group|The Logical Language Group]], Inc. ==
==  Minutes of the 2000 Annual Meeting of the Members of [[The Logical Language Group|The Logical Language Group]], Inc. ==


The twelfth Annual Meeting of the Members of [[jbocre: The Logical Language Group|The Logical Language Group]], Inc. was called to order on August 6, 2000 at 11:58 AM EDT.
The twelfth Annual Meeting of the Members of [[The Logical Language Group|The Logical Language Group]], Inc. was called to order on August 6, 2000 at 11:58 AM EDT.


Shawn Lasseter was appointed Sergeant-at-Arms to gather/inform members of beginning of meeting.
Shawn Lasseter was appointed Sergeant-at-Arms to gather/inform members of beginning of meeting.
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* David Crowell voted in as member during the meeting
* David Crowell voted in as member during the meeting
* [[User:xod|xod]]
* [[User:xod|la xod]]


* Olivia
* Olivia
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* Gary Burgess
* Gary Burgess


* [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* [[John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* John Hodges
* John Hodges


* Shawn Lasseter
* Shawn Lasseter
* [[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]
* [[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]


* Robert (Bob) LeChevalier
* Robert (Bob) LeChevalier
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Members "present" (5) by proxy:
Members "present" (5) by proxy:


* Athelstan proxy to [[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]], with instructions to abstain on all votes
* Athelstan proxy to [[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]], with instructions to abstain on all votes
* [[User:John Clifford|John Clifford]] proxy to [[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]
* [[User:John Clifford|John Clifford]] proxy to [[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]


* Guy Garnett proxy to [[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]
* Guy Garnett proxy to [[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]
* [[User:xorxes|Jorge Llambias]] proxy to [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]]
* [[User:xorxes|Jorge Llambias]] proxy to [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]]


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There was a suggestion that we get the bad book back so we can insert a print of the good page and use it to send to those of limited funds who wanted the book.
There was a suggestion that we get the bad book back so we can insert a print of the good page and use it to send to those of limited funds who wanted the book.


Commendation to Yvgeny Sklyanin for building a net community in Russia, including translating stuff into Russian and setting up a Russian language web site.  (Here it was also noted that [[jbocre: x|xod]] had set up a lojban web ring and is encouraging us to get the lojban web page set up).
Commendation to Yvgeny Sklyanin for building a net community in Russia, including translating stuff into Russian and setting up a Russian language web site.  (Here it was also noted that [[x|xod]] had set up a lojban web ring and is encouraging us to get the lojban web page set up).


Production of [[jbocre: Mini-D|Dictionary]]:  not advanced.
Production of [[Mini-D|Dictionary]]:  not advanced.


Note that World Con is in Philadelphia next year.
Note that World Con is in Philadelphia next year.
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Report of Committees:
Report of Committees:


* Level 0 package committee (1998,99: [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]], chairman; David Twery; Tommy Whitlock; [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]]):Nothing done.Internet site committee (1999: David Twery, Chairman; Shawn Lasseter; [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]]):Nothing done.
* Level 0 package committee (1998,99: [[John Cowan|John Cowan]], chairman; David Twery; Tommy Whitlock; [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]]):Nothing done.Internet site committee (1999: David Twery, Chairman; Shawn Lasseter; [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]]):Nothing done.
* Finance (aka Poverty) Committee:  Nothing done because no extra moneys. John Hodges and [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]] have, separate from this committee, have 5-6 copies reserved for indigent.
* Finance (aka Poverty) Committee:  Nothing done because no extra moneys. John Hodges and [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]] have, separate from this committee, have 5-6 copies reserved for indigent.


* On-line ordering (1997: [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]], chairman):no change reported.
* On-line ordering (1997: [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]], chairman):no change reported.
* WorldCon committee (1998: Keith Lynch, chairman; David Bowen; [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]]):nothing to report.Meeting notice (1994: [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]] and [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]]):no report.
* WorldCon committee (1998: Keith Lynch, chairman; David Bowen; [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]]):nothing to report.Meeting notice (1994: [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]] and [[John Cowan|John Cowan]]):no report.


*Grant proposal: (1996: Dave Barton, chairman; Dave Twery; and [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]]):no report.Streamlining meeting procedures (1999: [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]], chairman):no report.
*Grant proposal: (1996: Dave Barton, chairman; Dave Twery; and [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]]):no report.Streamlining meeting procedures (1999: [[John Cowan|John Cowan]], chairman):no report.


Consideration of new members or removal of old members:
Consideration of new members or removal of old members:
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* MOVED: To offer membership to Yvgeny Sklyanin. - PASSED.
* MOVED: To offer membership to Yvgeny Sklyanin. - PASSED.
* MOVED: To offer membership to Robin Turner and [[jbocre: Arnt Johansen|Arnt Johansen]]. - PASSED.
* MOVED: To offer membership to Robin Turner and [[Arnt Johansen|Arnt Johansen]]. - PASSED.


* MOVED:  To offer membership to [[jbocre: And Rosta|And Rosta]]. - PASSED as AMENDED.
* MOVED:  To offer membership to [[And Rosta|And Rosta]]. - PASSED as AMENDED.
* FRIENDLY AMENDMENT: That [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]] be among the drafters of the offer - ACCEPTED.
* FRIENDLY AMENDMENT: That [[John Cowan|John Cowan]] be among the drafters of the offer - ACCEPTED.


Election of Board of Directors:
Election of Board of Directors:


Current Board includes: David Barton, [[User:John Clifford|John Clifford]], [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]], [[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]], Alex Miles-Lasseter, David Twery. Maximum of 7 allowed.
Current Board includes: David Barton, [[User:John Clifford|John Clifford]], [[John Cowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]], [[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]], Alex Miles-Lasseter, David Twery. Maximum of 7 allowed.


Discussion of what it is to be on the Board of Directors.
Discussion of what it is to be on the Board of Directors.


* MOVED: To elect [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]], Shawn Lasseter, [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]], [[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]], Alex Miles-Lasseter and David Twery - PASSED as AMENDED.
* MOVED: To elect [[John Cowan|John Cowan]], Shawn Lasseter, [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]], [[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]], Alex Miles-Lasseter and David Twery - PASSED as AMENDED.
* MOVED: Offer Board membership to [[User:John Clifford|John Clifford]] as well - PASSED.
* MOVED: Offer Board membership to [[User:John Clifford|John Clifford]] as well - PASSED.


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* MOVED: To recess for 20 minutes for lunch break - PASSED. (Recessed until 1:15)
* MOVED: To recess for 20 minutes for lunch break - PASSED. (Recessed until 1:15)


Discussion of [[jbocre: James Cook Brown|James Cook Brown]]'s death and relationship with [[The Loglan Institute|The Loglan Institute]] (TLI)
Discussion of [[James Cook Brown|James Cook Brown]]'s death and relationship with [[The Loglan Institute|The Loglan Institute]] (TLI)


* MOVED: As an organization, to extend our regrets at his death, our condolences to his family, and our appreciation for his contributions to the logical language community. - PASSED
* MOVED: As an organization, to extend our regrets at his death, our condolences to his family, and our appreciation for his contributions to the logical language community. - PASSED
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* Welcome members, and
* Welcome members, and
* [[jbocre: LLG|LLG]] position on TLI - PASSED. - PASSED
* [[LLG|LLG]] position on TLI - PASSED. - PASSED


* MOTION: To adopt a formal position welcoming members of TLI or any community of logical language - FAILED, despite friendly amendment
* MOTION: To adopt a formal position welcoming members of TLI or any community of logical language - FAILED, despite friendly amendment
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Much discussion: mechanics, check processing, etc.
Much discussion: mechanics, check processing, etc.


Initially to be fulfillment of orders for the book ([[jbocre: The Complete Lojban Language he Complete Grammar|(The Complete Lojban Language he Complete Grammar]]), so [[jbocre: LLG|LLG]] wouldn't need credit card processing.  Trail for 1 month, then talk to Board.
Initially to be fulfillment of orders for the book ([[The Complete Lojban Language he Complete Grammar|(The Complete Lojban Language he Complete Grammar]]), so [[LLG|LLG]] wouldn't need credit card processing.  Trail for 1 month, then talk to Board.


Possibly also web hosting:  $15/year to maintain name.
Possibly also web hosting:  $15/year to maintain name.
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(Note: at this point, [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]] leaves, proxy to Nick)
(Note: at this point, [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]] leaves, proxy to Nick)


Talk of future ideas: Live, interactive conferencing for meetings; farming out [[jbocre: Mini-D|Dictionary]] and work-proposal via web-form.
Talk of future ideas: Live, interactive conferencing for meetings; farming out [[Mini-D|Dictionary]] and work-proposal via web-form.


Hartmut Pilch asked again about his proposal for use in patents:
Hartmut Pilch asked again about his proposal for use in patents:
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* Bob's suggestions: a sample translation or perhaps direct support
* Bob's suggestions: a sample translation or perhaps direct support


(Note: at this point, Tommy Whitlock leaves, proxy to [[jbocre: John Cowan|John Cowan]])
(Note: at this point, Tommy Whitlock leaves, proxy to [[John Cowan|John Cowan]])


* MOVED: That [[jbocre: LLG|LLG]] say that we fully support and encourage use of Lojban in the European patent system - PASSED.
* MOVED: That [[LLG|LLG]] say that we fully support and encourage use of Lojban in the European patent system - PASSED.


Discussion of priority of resumption of [[jbocre: Ju'i Lobypli|Ju'i Lobypli]] and [[jbocre: Lojbo Karni|Lojbo Karni]] (JL and LK)
Discussion of priority of resumption of [[Ju'i Lobypli|Ju'i Lobypli]] and [[Lojbo Karni|Lojbo Karni]] (JL and LK)


* MOVED: That priority of JL/LK resumption be moved up, subject to discretion of Board - PASSED.
* MOVED: That priority of JL/LK resumption be moved up, subject to discretion of Board - PASSED.
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The twelfth Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc. was adjourned at approximately 2:50 PM EDT.
The twelfth Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc. was adjourned at approximately 2:50 PM EDT.


I certify that the above motions were presented to all members present for discussion and approval, and that all motions were approved as noted.  I further certify that these minutes are an accurate representation of the twelfth Annual Meeting of the Members of [[jbocre: The Logical Language Group|The Logical Language Group]], Inc.
I certify that the above motions were presented to all members present for discussion and approval, and that all motions were approved as noted.  I further certify that these minutes are an accurate representation of the twelfth Annual Meeting of the Members of [[The Logical Language Group|The Logical Language Group]], Inc.


[[jbocre: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]
[[Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]]


Secretary/Treasurer
Secretary/Treasurer

Latest revision as of 08:47, 2 October 2014

Minutes of the 2000 Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc.

The twelfth Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc. was called to order on August 6, 2000 at 11:58 AM EDT.

Shawn Lasseter was appointed Sergeant-at-Arms to gather/inform members of beginning of meeting.

Non-members in attendance at the annual meeting were:

  • Ethan Fremen voted in as member during the meeting
  • Jake Berglund voted in as member during the meeting
  • David Crowell voted in as member during the meeting
  • la xod
  • Olivia

Roll call was taken of the members.

Members attending (14) were:

  • Dave Barton
  • Gary Burgess
  • Robert (Bob) LeChevalier
  • Keith Lynch
  • David Twery
  • Tommy Whitlock

Members "present" (5) by proxy:

Members not in attendance (3) were:

  • Karen Stein
  • Colin Fine
  • David Young

No proper notice of meeting by Secretary/Treasurer was given (per Article 3, Section 4 of the Bylaws)., therefore no bylaw amendments may be made.

Reading of the Minutes:

  • MOVED: To waive reading of minutes. - PASSED.

Report of officers: Secretary/Treasurer, by President:

Organization delinquent 2 quarters in state sales tax ($30 penalty)

Book orders caught up

Other orders not done

Estimated 5-6 thousand in liability for balances.

Expenses:

  • CAIS (internet site) account $800 per year
  • Phone $30-35 per month
  • Visa/Mastercard/Amex service $30 per month, plus extra charges
  • $1550 so far
  • Income: net negative
    • Repaid $2000 of book loan (to LeChevalier balance)
    • $3000 left on book loan
    • $2000 in bank

Book Sales: 322

Report of officers - President:

Settled with printer: Asked $4400, settled with offer of $2400.

  • Possible options for handling of people with bad books:
  • PDF of book for download
  • PDF of bad page
  • Send good book

There was a suggestion that we get the bad book back so we can insert a print of the good page and use it to send to those of limited funds who wanted the book.

Commendation to Yvgeny Sklyanin for building a net community in Russia, including translating stuff into Russian and setting up a Russian language web site. (Here it was also noted that xod had set up a lojban web ring and is encouraging us to get the lojban web page set up).

Production of Dictionary: not advanced.

Note that World Con is in Philadelphia next year.

Project on new words (lujvo): We would like to find a way to get people to create/check even just the English keywords for the words on the list of new words (5000-10000).

Report of Committees:

  • Level 0 package committee (1998,99: John Cowan, chairman; David Twery; Tommy Whitlock; Bob LeChevalier):Nothing done.Internet site committee (1999: David Twery, Chairman; Shawn Lasseter; Nick Nicholas):Nothing done.
  • Finance (aka Poverty) Committee: Nothing done because no extra moneys. John Hodges and Bob LeChevalier have, separate from this committee, have 5-6 copies reserved for indigent.
  • Grant proposal: (1996: Dave Barton, chairman; Dave Twery; and Bob LeChevalier):no report.Streamlining meeting procedures (1999: John Cowan, chairman):no report.

Consideration of new members or removal of old members:

Discussion: concern about too much emphasis given to the local people who can come to Logfest, and not enough consideration of foreign contributors. Led to discussion of what it means to be a member and how it would affect ability to do bylaw amendments and other business at the annual meeting.

  • MOVED: That all 3 prospective members (Ethan Fremen, Jake Berglund, David Crowell) be accepted as new members. - PASSED.
  • MOVED: To offer membership to Ivan Derzhanski. - PASSED.
  • MOVED: To offer membership to Yvgeny Sklyanin. - PASSED.
  • MOVED: To offer membership to Robin Turner and Arnt Johansen. - PASSED.
  • MOVED: To offer membership to And Rosta. - PASSED as AMENDED.
  • FRIENDLY AMENDMENT: That John Cowan be among the drafters of the offer - ACCEPTED.

Election of Board of Directors:

Current Board includes: David Barton, John Clifford, John Cowan, Bob LeChevalier, Nora LeChevalier, Alex Miles-Lasseter, David Twery. Maximum of 7 allowed.

Discussion of what it is to be on the Board of Directors.

  • MOVED: To thank David Barton for his participation on the board. - PASSED.

Old/Unfinished Business:

Marketing and Promotion: Put off plan for future year except for World Con, though Ethan had volunteered to be put in charge of contact form for Web.

New Business:

  • MOVED: To recess for 20 minutes for lunch break - PASSED. (Recessed until 1:15)

Discussion of James Cook Brown's death and relationship with The Loglan Institute (TLI)

  • MOVED: As an organization, to extend our regrets at his death, our condolences to his family, and our appreciation for his contributions to the logical language community. - PASSED
  • MOVED: To adopt a formal position welcoming members of TLI or any community of logical language, and affirm a position in favor of rapprochement with TLI at such time as they ... - AMENDED

Discussion: This may be seen as insulting. Discussion of importance of rapprochement, including reading from proxy comments.

  • MOVED: To divide the motion into:
  • Welcome members, and
  • LLG position on TLI - PASSED. - PASSED
  • MOTION: To adopt a formal position welcoming members of TLI or any community of logical language - FAILED, despite friendly amendment
  • FRIENDLY AMENDMENT: "reaffirm commitment to" - ACCEPTED
  • MOTION: To affirm a position in favor of rapprochement with TLI at such time as they... - WITHDRAWN

Ethan presented a proposal: an offer of real-time on-line credit-card processing and on-demand publishing (printed and sent out) as a donation.

Much discussion: mechanics, check processing, etc.

Initially to be fulfillment of orders for the book ((The Complete Lojban Language he Complete Grammar), so LLG wouldn't need credit card processing. Trail for 1 month, then talk to Board.

Possibly also web hosting: $15/year to maintain name.

  • MOVED: To accept the proposal in principal, subject to ratification by the Board of written proposal in 1 month. - PASSED as AMENDED.
  • FRIENDLY AMENDMENT: "with gratitude and great thanks" - PASSED.

(Note: at this point, Mark Shoulson leaves, proxy to Nick)

Talk of future ideas: Live, interactive conferencing for meetings; farming out Dictionary and work-proposal via web-form.

Hartmut Pilch asked again about his proposal for use in patents:

  • He'd like a page on the site promoting his proposal
  • He's gotten support in that France has proposed it.
  • Bob's suggestions: a sample translation or perhaps direct support

(Note: at this point, Tommy Whitlock leaves, proxy to John Cowan)

  • MOVED: That LLG say that we fully support and encourage use of Lojban in the European patent system - PASSED.

Discussion of priority of resumption of Ju'i Lobypli and Lojbo Karni (JL and LK)

  • MOVED: That priority of JL/LK resumption be moved up, subject to discretion of Board - PASSED.

Policy on bug in grammar (formal grammar disagrees with write-up):

  • MOVED: That the grammar be changed to match the prose - PASSED.
  • MOVED: That the question of 20001 WorldCon be delegate to the Board - PASSED.
  • MOVED: To adjourn meeting. - PASSED.

The twelfth Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc. was adjourned at approximately 2:50 PM EDT.

I certify that the above motions were presented to all members present for discussion and approval, and that all motions were approved as noted. I further certify that these minutes are an accurate representation of the twelfth Annual Meeting of the Members of The Logical Language Group, Inc.

Nora LeChevalier

Secretary/Treasurer