https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=How_to_use_xorlo&feed=atom&action=historyHow to use xorlo - Revision history2024-03-29T15:42:28ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.38.4https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=How_to_use_xorlo&diff=122001&oldid=prevGiuliano Lancioni: Corrected link to McKay web page2017-12-09T11:16:56Z<p>Corrected link to McKay web page</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* ''distributively'' means "not as a group", and is a term we owe largely to [http://<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">thecollege</del>.syr.edu/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">profiles</del>/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pages</del>/mckay-thomas.html McKay], whom we should give money to or something :). See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_quantification The WP entry on plural quantification]. (Xorxes says that we were using it before him; I still think it helped). Basically, ''three men carried the piano'' when handled distributively means that they each carried it. '''lo''', '''le''', and '''la''' are all unspecified with regards to distributivity. An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over the referents of the sumti. For mass gadri, the '''outer''' quantifier of '''loi''', '''lei''' and '''lai''' is distributive over groups of number indicated by the inner quantifier.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* ''distributively'' means "not as a group", and is a term we owe largely to [http://<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">asfaculty</ins>.syr.edu/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pages</ins>/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">phi</ins>/mckay-thomas.html McKay], whom we should give money to or something :). See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_quantification The WP entry on plural quantification]. (Xorxes says that we were using it before him; I still think it helped). Basically, ''three men carried the piano'' when handled distributively means that they each carried it. '''lo''', '''le''', and '''la''' are all unspecified with regards to distributivity. An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over the referents of the sumti. For mass gadri, the '''outer''' quantifier of '''loi''', '''lei''' and '''lai''' is distributive over groups of number indicated by the inner quantifier.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Giuliano Lancionihttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=How_to_use_xorlo&diff=121180&oldid=prevLa lalxu at 10:55, 29 August 20162016-08-29T10:55:16Z<p></p>
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</table>La lalxuhttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=How_to_use_xorlo&diff=121178&oldid=prevLa lalxu: add quick guide; comment out blatantly incorrect fragment (see jbotcan.org/en/#1813)2016-08-28T20:03:08Z<p>add quick guide; comment out blatantly incorrect fragment (see jbotcan.org/en/#1813)</p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In particular, '''lo''' is now the "default". It is completely generic. Use '''le''' only when you have specific instances in mind; '''lo''' everywhere else. For details, read on.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* ''non-distributively'' means "as a group". ''Three men carried the piano'' when handled non-distributively means that they all did it.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* ''non-distributively'' means "as a group". ''Three men carried the piano'' when handled non-distributively means that they all did it.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* There are no default quantifiers. At all. For example, the default outer quantifier of '''lo''' used to be '''su'o''', which means ''at least one'', but that is no longer the case. '''lo cribe''' could be one, or a billion, or the idea of bear-ness (as in ''bears like honey''), or bear goo (as in after a car accident involving a really, really big truck).</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* There are no default quantifiers. At all. For example, the default outer quantifier of '''lo''' used to be '''su'o''', which means ''at least one'', but that is no longer the case. '''lo cribe''' could be one, or a billion, or the idea of bear-ness (as in ''bears like honey''), or bear goo (as in after a car accident involving a really, really big truck).</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mean ''one bear'', consider actually saying ''pa cribe''. It's ever so much more specific. Xorxes points out that to refer to one bear, '''lo pa cribe''' is actually a bit better; '''pa cribe cu pinxe''' means that exactly one cribe in the whole world drinks, which is often not what you want. We (those of us that have actually been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least half a dozen active users on [[Lojban IRC|#lojban]] now) have found that context is almost always sufficient, however.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mean ''one bear'', consider actually saying ''pa cribe''. It's ever so much more specific. Xorxes points out that to refer to one bear, '''lo pa cribe''' is actually a bit better; '''pa cribe cu pinxe''' means that exactly one cribe in the whole world drinks, which is often not what you want. We (those of us that have actually been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least half a dozen active users on [[Lojban IRC|#lojban]] now) have found that context is almost always sufficient, however.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* There are no default quantifiers. At all. For example, the default outer quantifier of '''lo''' used to be '''su'o''', which means ''at least one'', but that is no longer the case. '''lo cribe''' could be one, or a billion, or the idea of bear-ness (as in ''bears like honey''), or bear goo (as in after a car accident involving a really, really big truck).</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* There are no default quantifiers. At all. For example, the default outer quantifier of '''lo''' used to be '''su'o''', which means ''at least one'', but that is no longer the case. '''lo cribe''' could be one, or a billion, or the idea of bear-ness (as in ''bears like honey''), or bear goo (as in after a car accident involving a really, really big truck).</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mean ''one bear'', consider actually saying ''pa cribe''. It's ever so much more specific. Xorxes points out that to refer to one bear, '''lo pa cribe''' is actually a bit better; '''pa cribe cu pinxe''' means that exactly one cribe in the whole world drinks, which is often not what you want. We (those of us that have actually been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least half a dozen active users on [[Lojban IRC|#lojban]] now) have found that context is almost always sufficient, however.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mean ''one bear'', consider actually saying ''pa cribe''. It's ever so much more specific. Xorxes points out that to refer to one bear, '''lo pa cribe''' is actually a bit better; '''pa cribe cu pinxe''' means that exactly one cribe in the whole world drinks, which is often not what you want. We (those of us that have actually been using xorlo for the last few months; there are at least half a dozen active users on [[Lojban IRC|#lojban]] now) have found that context is almost always sufficient, however.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''lo''' is where the biggest changes occured. In fact, it's fair to say that everything but the changes to '''lo''' (and to default quantification) were mere clarifications. Here's how lo works now:</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''lo''' is where the biggest changes occured. In fact, it's fair to say that everything but the changes to '''lo''' (and to default quantification) were mere clarifications. Here's how lo works now:</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''lo''' is the default gadri. It's the most vague one. So if in doubt, use '''lo'''</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''lo''' is the default gadri. It's the most vague one. So if in doubt, use '''lo'''</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''lo''' with no outer or inner quantifier is absolutely generic; '''lo pinxe''' means ''something(s) or other to do with drinking'', and that's about it. Thankfully, context is plenty 99% of the time. Expect to see a lot more '''lo '''compared to 'The Complete Lojban Language' book!</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''lo''' with no outer or inner quantifier is absolutely generic; '''lo pinxe''' means ''something(s) or other to do with drinking'', and that's about it. Thankfully, context is plenty 99% of the time. Expect to see a lot more '''lo '''compared to 'The Complete Lojban Language' book!</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* In particular, you almost always want '''lo nu''' rather than '''le nu'''. '''lo nu''' is ''some event of ...'', '''le nu''' is ''some particular event of ... that I have in mind''.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* In particular, you almost always want '''lo nu''' rather than '''le nu'''. '''lo nu''' is ''some event of ...'', '''le nu''' is ''some particular event of ... that I have in mind''.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''lo''' with an outer quantifier selects a certain number of things from among the sumti, e.g. '''mu lo bakni''' means ''Five of the cows''.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''lo''' with an outer quantifier selects a certain number of things from among the sumti, e.g. '''mu lo bakni''' means ''Five of the cows''.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''lo'''<nowiki/>'s inner quantifier indicates the number of things we're talking about, but in a slightly different fashion. '''mu lo bakni cu bevri lo pipno''' means ''Five cows each carried a piano individually''. '''lo mu bakni cu bevri lo pipno''' is ambiguous as to whether they did it individually or as a group. To be clear about group-ness, use '''loi''' and friends.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''lo'''<nowiki/>'s inner quantifier indicates the number of things we're talking about, but in a slightly different fashion. '''mu lo bakni cu bevri lo pipno''' means ''Five cows each carried a piano individually''. '''lo mu bakni cu bevri lo pipno''' is ambiguous as to whether they did it individually or as a group. To be clear about group-ness, use '''loi''' and friends.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This is '''loi''', '''lei''', and '''lai'''. They act exactly like '''lo''', '''le '''and '''la''', respectively, except that:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This is '''loi'''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><!--</ins>, '''lei''',<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--> </ins>and '''lai'''. They act exactly like '''lo'''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><!--</ins>, '''le'''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--> </ins>and '''la''', respectively, except that:</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* They make things into groups (aka masses, aka non-distributive groups) for purposes of the rest of the bridi. For example, '''loi mu bakni cu bevri lo pipno''' definitely means that all the cows carried the piano together, as a group.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* They make things into groups (aka masses, aka non-distributive groups) for purposes of the rest of the bridi. For example, '''loi mu bakni cu bevri lo pipno''' definitely means that all the cows carried the piano together, as a group.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* The inner quantifier (which '''lai''' does not have) indicates the size of the group.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* The inner quantifier (which '''lai''' does not have) indicates the size of the group.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* The outer quantifier gives a number of groups. These are not then grouped together! This means that '''re loi mu bakni cu bevri lo pipno''' means that there are two groups of five cows, and that each group of five cows carried the piano.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* The outer quantifier gives a number of groups. These are not then grouped together! This means that '''re loi mu bakni cu bevri lo pipno''' means that there are two groups of five cows, and that each group of five cows carried the piano.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* That example should give an idea of the power of xorlo; some very specific things can be said in xorlo very easily.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* That example should give an idea of the power of xorlo; some very specific things can be said in xorlo very easily.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Note that it is not necessarily the case that those two groups of five cows are completely distinct. They could share some members in common. Using this fact without making it clear to your listener you are doing so, however, is very poor form.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Note that it is not necessarily the case that those two groups of five cows are completely distinct. They could share some members in common. Using this fact without making it clear to your listener you are doing so, however, is very poor form.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* A fractional outer quantifier selects a portion of the group. So '''pi mu loi xa bakni cu bevri lo pipno''' means that one half of some group of six cows (i.e. 3 cows) carried the piano.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* A fractional outer quantifier selects a portion of the group. So '''pi mu loi xa bakni cu bevri lo pipno''' means that one half of some group of six cows (i.e. 3 cows) carried the piano.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This is '''lo'i'''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><!--</ins>, '''le'i''',<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--> </ins>and '''la'i'''. They act exactly like '''loi'''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><!--</ins>, '''lei'''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">--> </ins>and '''lai''', respectively, except that they turn their arguments into sets instead of groups. A mathematical set has only the properties of membership and cardinality (aka "how many"). Lojban sets may have more properties, like having a chief member (see {{jvs|ralju}}). They don't get used much, to be honest.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Glekihttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=How_to_use_xorlo&diff=106613&oldid=prevGleki at 12:52, 18 August 20142014-08-18T12:52:39Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Something that needs to be noted in general: the BPFK made a consensus decision that they <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del>do not<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </del>make rulings on ontological or metaphysical issues; that is, we will not tell you whether phrase X has meaning or validity. That is discussion and speaker specific, and not our job. In some discussions, saying '''mi kalte pa lo pavyseljirna''' (which literally means ''there exists one thing that is a unicorn that I am hunting''; this implies that at least one unicorn exists) is perfectly reasonable, in others it's a reason to put someone in a mental hospital. In a similar vein, '''lo''' is now ''completely'' generic. This means that there are going to be disagreements about how broad it can be. For example, I think that ''[[Bear goo|bear goo]]'' is perfectly validly '''lo cribe'''. The member of BPFK [[User:Broca|Arnt Richard Johansen]] does not. That's OK, albeit somewhat obnoxious should I ever <u>need</u> to talk about ''bear goo''. Of course, I can just use '''lo pesxu be lo cribe'''.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Something that needs to be noted in general: the BPFK made a consensus decision that they <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><u></ins>do not<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></u> </ins>make rulings on ontological or metaphysical issues; that is, we will not tell you whether phrase X has meaning or validity. That is discussion and speaker specific, and not our job. In some discussions, saying '''mi kalte pa lo pavyseljirna''' (which literally means ''there exists one thing that is a unicorn that I am hunting''; this implies that at least one unicorn exists) is perfectly reasonable, in others it's a reason to put someone in a mental hospital. In a similar vein, '''lo''' is now ''completely'' generic. This means that there are going to be disagreements about how broad it can be. For example, I think that ''[[Bear goo|bear goo]]'' is perfectly validly '''lo cribe'''. The member of BPFK [[User:Broca|Arnt Richard Johansen]] does not. That's OK, albeit somewhat obnoxious should I ever <u>need</u> to talk about ''bear goo''. Of course, I can just use '''lo pesxu be lo cribe'''.</div></td></tr>
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