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Hangul orthography for Lojban.


A Hangul orthography is sheer foolishness, because Hangul doesn't work well for most languages except Korean.
=Discussion=
 
==General notes==
;:You're right in this, pe'i mi'e sanxiyn.
*Lee Min-Ji:
*:Obviously Hangul is unsuited to be a Lojban orthography, but it does pose an interesting challenge.
*Does anyone know about IKPA : Internationnal Korean Phonetic Alphabet ? Look at [http://www.scripta.kr/scripta2010/kr/proceedings/proc07v01_004.pdf this]. It can almost replace IPA, and certainly display all the lojban phonetic diversity.
**But we seem to lost the syllabic bloc feature, and that's I think where a work can be done to restore it, although IKPA wasn't though to be used this way.
**la brabenvaxda'u balsoi:
**:I'm sure it is closer to a proper logic writing system for a logic language than every attempt ever made. Pei'pei
*A Hangul orthography is sheer foolishness, because Hangul doesn't work well for most languages except Korean.
**sanxiyn.:
**:You're right in this, pe'i


== Vowels ==
== Vowels ==


||a|ㅏ
{|class='wikitable'
 
|-
e|ㅔ
|a
 
|ㅏ
i|ㅣ
|-
 
|e
o|ㅗ
|ㅔ
 
|-
u|ㅜ||
|i
 
|ㅣ
The falling dipthongs are a problem, because there's no ii or uu. So is y.
|-
|o
|ㅗ
|-
|u
|ㅜ
|}


What about ㅡ for y? --pne
*The falling dipthongs are a problem, because there's no '''ii''' or '''uu'''. So is '''y'''.
 
**[[pne]]:
;:No. y is exact match of ㅓ mi'e sanxiyn.
**:What about '''' for '''y'''?
***sanxiyn:
***:No. y is exact match of ㅓ.


== Consonants ==
== Consonants ==
 
*There is no character for initial '''b, c, d, g, j, l''' or '''z''', though some characters that are used for sounds sot found in Lojban can be used for these purposes, like the "iu" series or the "ssang" series.
Some problems:
**sanxiyn.:
 
**:Same is true for English, but there is nonetheless Korean orthography for it. Maybe we can imitate it.
There is no character for initial b, c, d, g, j, l or z, though some characters that are used for sounds sot found in Lojban can be used for these purposes, like the "iu" series or the ssang series.
**Also, it will be hard to fit in the . or the ' if it occurs in a syllable.
 
***sanxiyn.:
;:Same is true for English, but there is nonetheless Korean orthography for it. Maybe we can imitate it. mi'e sanxiyn.
***:Apostrophe ' must be ㅎ pe'i
 
Also, it will be hard to fit in the . or the ' if it occurs in a syllable.
 
;:Apostrophe ' must be ㅎ pe'i mi'e sanxiyn.
 
Obviously Hangul is unsuited to be a Lojban orthography, but it does pose an interesting challenge.
 
-- Lee Min-Ji
 
''' Does anyone know about IKPA : Internationnal Korean Phonetic Alphabet ?
 
Look at this /http://www.scripta.kr/scripta2010/kr/proceedings/proc07v01_004.pdf
 
It can almost remplace IPA, and certainly display all the lojban phonetic diversity.
 
But we seem to lost the syllabic bloc feature, and that's I think where a work can be done to restore it, although IKPA wasn't though to be used this way.
 
I'm sure it is closer to a proper logic writing system for a logic language than every attempt ever made. Pei'pei mi'e la brabenvaxda'u balsoi'''

Latest revision as of 07:37, 16 June 2019

Hangul orthography for Lojban.

Discussion

General notes

  • Lee Min-Ji:
    Obviously Hangul is unsuited to be a Lojban orthography, but it does pose an interesting challenge.
  • Does anyone know about IKPA : Internationnal Korean Phonetic Alphabet ? Look at this. It can almost replace IPA, and certainly display all the lojban phonetic diversity.
    • But we seem to lost the syllabic bloc feature, and that's I think where a work can be done to restore it, although IKPA wasn't though to be used this way.
    • la brabenvaxda'u balsoi:
      I'm sure it is closer to a proper logic writing system for a logic language than every attempt ever made. Pei'pei
  • A Hangul orthography is sheer foolishness, because Hangul doesn't work well for most languages except Korean.
    • sanxiyn.:
      You're right in this, pe'i

Vowels

a
e
i
o
u
  • The falling dipthongs are a problem, because there's no ii or uu. So is y.
    • pne:
      What about for y?
      • sanxiyn:
        No. y is exact match of ㅓ.

Consonants

  • There is no character for initial b, c, d, g, j, l or z, though some characters that are used for sounds sot found in Lojban can be used for these purposes, like the "iu" series or the "ssang" series.
    • sanxiyn.:
      Same is true for English, but there is nonetheless Korean orthography for it. Maybe we can imitate it.
    • Also, it will be hard to fit in the . or the ' if it occurs in a syllable.
      • sanxiyn.:
        Apostrophe ' must be ㅎ pe'i