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{{se inspekte/en}}Esperanto, a constructed and the most widely spoken [[auxlang|auxiliary language]], designed by [[Zamenhof|Zamenhof]] in the late 19th century as an international auxiliary language.


The most widely spoken [[jbocre: constructed language|constructed language]], designed by [[jbocre: Zamenhof|Zamenhof]] in the late 19th century as an international auxiliary language, or [[jbocre: auxlang|auxlang]]. See [http://www.esperanto.net esperanto.net]. Also read "[http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/esperanto1.shtml Esperanto, the Agressor Language!]"
Esperanto activity is also called ''green star business'' ('''lo crino tartai cuntu''''').


Formerly (in the [[jbocre: 'Tweeners|'Tweeners]] era) a substantial number of Lojbanists were familiar with Esperanto. This no longer appears to be the case. Read''' [[jbocre: Lojban and Esperanto|Lojban and Esperanto]]'''
In Lojban
:{{jvs|spero}}  = x1 belong to Esperanto culture or language in aspect x2
{{gl|bangrnesperanto|x1 is Esperanto language}}
:{{jvs|sperybau}} = x1 is Esperanto language


''How many still do?'' [[nitcion]], [[xorxes]]...[[User:Michael Helsem|maiky'elsym]], [[User:Cein|cein]]...stivyn...
=Lojbanists and Esperanto=
A great number of Lojbanists studied Esperanto before coming to [[Lojbanistan|Lojbanistan]]. Formerly (in the [['Tweeners]] era) a substantial number of Lojbanists were familiar with Esperanto. This no longer appears to be the case. Still here are some of them who can speak Esperanto: [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]], [[la gleki]], [[la ilmen]], [[nitcion|la nitcion]], [[xorxes|la xorxes]], [[User:Michael Helsem|la maiky'elsym]], [[User:Cein|la cein]], la .stivyn.


*[[User:PlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]:
==Is Esperanto a rival to Lojban?==
* I thought Esperanto was pretty famous. I first heard of it when I was seven or eight years old, long before I ever heard of Lojban. --
There is little overt rivalry (except on the vexing [["Sixteen Rules" issue|'Sixteen Rules' issue]]...). The situation can be considered as a case of complementarity: [[auxlang|international auxilliary language]] claims are renounced in Lojban. Lojbanists are focused on issues which simply don't exist in Esperanto.
** (1) Wiki chat sucks; use the mailing list. (2) He means "familiar" as in "can speak".


***Oh. Well, it seems that most people who start with Lojban never really want to try any other constructed languages. --[[User:PlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
{{quotation| This seems to be primarily an artifact of the peculiar situation of Esperanto in America: the idealism of Esperanto, and the feel for a need for an [[auxlang|IAL]], do not have as much resonance in America as elsewhere, so there are proportionally many more people who would consider learning either Esperanto or Lojban <u>only as a [[conlang]]</u>. (Few outside the Anglo-Saxon world, I suspect would learn Esperanto only as a conlang). For that reason, the two languages are being compared by some (e.g. prospective students asking for comparisons on the mailing list) rather more directly than others (e.g. Esperantists or ex-Esperantists like me) may have expected, in terms of non-IAL specific issues like unambiguity or euphony.|[[User:Nick Nicholas|la .nitcion.]]}}
=Comic=
[[Image:Esperanto and Lojban.png|frameless|800px]]
=References=
* [[Lojban vs Esperanto]]


The gismu [[jbocre: spero|spero]] was suggested for Esperanto, but rejected.
* [[spero|spero]]
* "[[ca lo kurki cacra|In A Bitter Hour]]" by [http://www.geocities.com/esperantolit/kalocsay/bio_nurteksta_angla.html Kalman Kalocsay] in English and Lojban. A poem translated from Esperanto by [[User:Nick Nicholas|la .nitcion.]] and corrected by [[la gleki]] is a sober self-critique and reformulation of Esperantists' attitude to their own language.
*[http://www.esperanto.net esperanto.net]
*[http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/esperanto1.shtml Esperanto, the Agressor Language!]


''lei la esperanton prenu.''
[[Category:mupli lo bangu]]
 
'''''shouldn't this be "lei me la esperanton. prenu"?''''' ''If you want a tanru, yes.  But this isn't necessarily a tanru.  '''lei la esperanton. prenu''' expands to '''lei prenu pe la esperanton''' much as '''le mi cukta''' expands to '''le cukta pe mi'''.''

Latest revision as of 07:23, 2 October 2014

Esperanto, a constructed and the most widely spoken auxiliary language, designed by Zamenhof in the late 19th century as an international auxiliary language.

Esperanto activity is also called green star business (lo crino tartai cuntu).

In Lojban

spero = x1 belong to Esperanto culture or language in aspect x2
bangrnesperanto = x1 is Esperanto language
sperybau = x1 is Esperanto language

Lojbanists and Esperanto

A great number of Lojbanists studied Esperanto before coming to Lojbanistan. Formerly (in the 'Tweeners era) a substantial number of Lojbanists were familiar with Esperanto. This no longer appears to be the case. Still here are some of them who can speak Esperanto: la selpa'i, la gleki, la ilmen, la nitcion, la xorxes, la maiky'elsym, la cein, la .stivyn.

Is Esperanto a rival to Lojban?

There is little overt rivalry (except on the vexing 'Sixteen Rules' issue...). The situation can be considered as a case of complementarity: international auxilliary language claims are renounced in Lojban. Lojbanists are focused on issues which simply don't exist in Esperanto.

This seems to be primarily an artifact of the peculiar situation of Esperanto in America: the idealism of Esperanto, and the feel for a need for an IAL, do not have as much resonance in America as elsewhere, so there are proportionally many more people who would consider learning either Esperanto or Lojban only as a conlang. (Few outside the Anglo-Saxon world, I suspect would learn Esperanto only as a conlang). For that reason, the two languages are being compared by some (e.g. prospective students asking for comparisons on the mailing list) rather more directly than others (e.g. Esperantists or ex-Esperantists like me) may have expected, in terms of non-IAL specific issues like unambiguity or euphony.

la .nitcion.

Comic

Esperanto and Lojban.png

References