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==[[Extended Lojban Grammar (a draft)]]==
==[[Extended Lojban Grammar (ToDo)]]==
 
==Preface==
==Preface==


''Extended Lojbanic Grammar'' (ELG, formerly [[CLL]] and Berry lessons) is the full reference grammar of [[La Bangu]], a Lojban dialect developed by [[Fancy Generation Lojbanists|Lojbanic community]] in IRC chat channel #lojban. Compared to [[CLL]] ELG is more bulky.
''Extended Lojbanic Grammar'' (ELG, formerly [[CLL]] and Berry lessons) is the full reference grammar of Lojban to work on par with [[The Crash Course in Lojban]], a Lojban dialect developed by [[Fancy Generation Lojbanists|Lojbanic community]] in IRC chat channel #lojban. Compared to [[CLL]] ELG is more bulky.


Not for newbies obviously. Not really a continuation of the ''[[La Bangu: The Journey|Crash Course]]''.
Not for newbies obviously. Not really a continuation of the ''[[The Crash Course in Lojban: The Journey|Crash Course]]''.


ELG is to be written mostly in simple Lojban. Many borrowings from English are expected. Many parts of ELG are based on CLL.
ELG is to be written mostly in simple Lojban. Many borrowings from English are expected. Many parts of ELG are based on CLL.
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ELG presents different interesting aspects of Lojban language, it's grammar, vocabulary and applications in different fields.
ELG presents different interesting aspects of Lojban language, it's grammar, vocabulary and applications in different fields.


Content:
==ELG Addendum==
Many syntactically well-formed structures in Lojban have no clearly-defined interpretation. ELG Addendum lists unofficial proposals for useful or needful interpretive conventions for some of these cases. Some of these proposed conventions might be natural and/or logical consequences of official interpretive conventions.
==Content==
*CLL: to be imported
*CLL: to be imported
*[[gotchas]] are actually amendments to ELG and [[The Crash Course (a draft)]].
*[[ELG: Default place filling]]
*[[ELG: Default place filling]]
*[[ELG: any and some in detail: da zo'u]]
*[[ELG: any and some in detail: da zo'u]]
*[[ELG: Raising]]
*[[ELG: Raising]]
*[[ELG: soi - bridi relative clause|'''soi''' - bridi relative clause]]
*[[du'au, me'au, me'ei]]
*[[ELG: Negating BAI]]
*[[ELG: Negating BAI]]
*[[ELG: Chinese style ''yes/no'' questions]]
*[[ELG: xorlo]]
*[[ELG: xorlo]]
*[['''le''' as an anaphorical particle]]
*[[ELG:Logic and Lojban]] - to be written by [[la latro'a]]
*[[ELG:Logic and Lojban]] - to be written by [[la latro'a]]
*[[ELG: type autocorrection]]
*[[ELG: type autocorrection]]
*[[Possessive sumti]]
*[[Formal definition of moi]]
*grouping gismu (by their semantics, place structure)
*grouping gismu (by their semantics, place structure)
*bear goo, xorlo in detail
*bear goo, xorlo in detail
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==Lexicon semantics==
==Lexicon semantics==
*[[ELG: detri]] (compared to datru, also tcika)
*[[ELG: detri]] (compared to datru, also tcika)
*[[ELG: Subjunctives in detail|Subjunctives in detail]] (fanbu, fau, da'i and verbs that have da'i flavor)
*[[Stub: Grammatical aspects]]
*[[Stub: Grammatical aspects]]
*[[ELG: Metaphors]] (metfo, pesna, pe'a)
*[[ELG: Metaphors]] (metfo, pesna, pe'a)
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*[[ELG: commands and requests]]
*[[ELG: commands and requests]]
*[[ELG: chemistry]] (IUPAC nomenclature?)
*[[ELG: chemistry]] (IUPAC nomenclature?)
==ELG: formatting==
*[[:Category:jboske]]
What do we need?
#ELG is in one page. Actually it's several pages transluded into one page so that local hyperlinks work page-wide.
#Every paragraph can be assigned a unique id so that we can link to it from other parts of ELG: <nowiki>{{judri|#NNN}}</nowiki>
#Every paragraph can have a short dictionary-style info for indices on what this paragraph describes. Separated by ":". For example, <nowiki>{{ind|lojban:what is it}}</nowiki>
#Every sentence example has the following syntax:
#:
<nowiki>
    :Example NNN
    :'''lo lojbo se cusku'''
    :''Translation.''
    :<code>Gloss-ing</code>
    </nowiki>
#Images are just normal wiki-images, might be in thumbnail form.<nowiki>[[Image:name.png|thumb|caption text|link=]]</nowiki>
#Lojbanic text is <nowiki>'''</nowiki>'''<nowiki>bold'''</nowiki>''', translation in <nowiki>''</nowiki>''<nowiki>italic''</nowiki>'', glossing is inside <nowiki><code></nowiki> ... <nowiki></code></nowiki> tags. Rafsi are marked as <nowiki>{{r|gau}}</nowiki>, gismu are <nowiki>{{g|broda}}</nowiki>, lujvo are <nowiki>{{l|kargau}}</nowiki>, fu'ivla are <nowiki>{{f|spageti}}</nowiki>, cmevla are <nowiki>{{.|cmevlas}}</nowiki>, cmavo are <nowiki>{{c|gau}}</nowiki>, broken lujvo are <nowiki>{{bl|tosmabru}}</nowiki>.


What else do we REALLY need? The remaining tags should be removed imo.
*[[Missing predicates]]


ELG is split into several wiki pages so links to paragraphs will work only in the main ELG page where all those pages are transcluded into one.
==Other things==
*change cmene to cmevla


ELG formatting depends on SimpleTable extension.
==== Proposals ====
* anaphora
** [[construal of antecedents of sumti anaphors|construal of antecedents of sumti anaphors]]
** [[identifying no'a antecedents|identifying no'a antecedents]]
** [[lerfu pro-sumti, and why ko'a sucks|lerfu pro-sumti, and why ko'a sucks]]
*** Not really a proposed interpretive convention, more a discussion of a convention already extant in the language (per [[The Book|The Book]]) and why it should be used more.
** pertaining to vo'a
*** [[Why the Book is Right and the ma'oste is Wrong|Why the Book is Right and the ma'oste is Wrong]]
* gadri and quantifiers
** ''[[tu'o|tu'o]]''
** ''[[coi xirma, doi xirma|coi xirma, doi xirma]]''
** [[requantification|requantification]]
** [[quantification and the meaning of ro|quantification and the meaning of ro]]
** [[sumti qualifiers|sumti qualifiers]]
* concerning NU abstractions
** ''[[ce'u|ce'u]]''
** ''[[ka, du'u, si'o, ce'u, zo'e|ka, du'u, si'o, ce'u, zo'e]]''
** ''[[pu'u|pu'u]]''
* ''kau''
** [[makau|makau]]
** [[indirect indicators|indirect indicators]]
* concerning numbers &amp; mekso
** [[ju'u|ju'u]]
** [[Internal grammar of numbers|Internal grammar of numbers]]
** [[Number subgrammar|Number subgrammar]]
* concerning tcita, tense &amp; modals
** [[JAhA + CAI|JAhA + CAI]]
** [[CAhA as sumtcita|CAhA as sumtcita]]
** [[''nau'' as sumtcita|''nau'' as sumtcita]]
** [[scope of tenses and NA|scope of tenses and NA]]
* [[Dates|Dates]]
* [[methods of resolving mismatches between place structures and number of overt sumti|methods of resolving mismatches between place structures and number of overt sumti]]
** [[SE + x2-less brivla]]
* [[semantical equivalences|semantical equivalences]]
* [[Interpretive conventions for lerfu formatting cmavo|Interpretive conventions for lerfu formatting cmavo]]


==Creation==
==== Proposals that have [[dies in the arse|died in the arse]] ====
[[User:Gleki|gleki]]:
* concerning NU abstractions
: I'm not willing to change the order of chapters in the first place as it was suggested for CLL 2.0 as ELG is not a tutorial. You need to have passed L4N course in order to be able to read it. However, yes, the next step would be rearranging the stuff.
** [[''ka'' versus ''du'u'', and ''ce'u'' and ''zo'e''|''ka'' versus ''du'u'', and ''ce'u'' and ''zo'e'']]
: And the step after that will be translating ELG to Lojban itself.
* [[asymmetric goi|asymmetric goi]]
* [[On the meaning of 'ro broda cu brode' (arsedead version)-|On the meaning of 'ro broda cu brode' (arsedead version)-]]
==== [[What does it mean?]]====


: I should note that ELG is only initially based on CLL. A lot will be changed in the flow of text during it’s development leading to a possibly completely different book. ELG has nothing to do with CLL 2.0 or Standard Lojban. But if you are tired of waiting for CLL 2.0 then here it is, this <nowiki>[potentially]</nowiki> [[crowd-sauced]] project. And i have no illusions that the crowd will be > pamei .uinai
==[[Talk:cll-temp|Formatting]]==
The creation of ELG will undergo several steps.
[[Category:The Crash Course in Lojban]]
#Landing. CLL will land in [http://mw.lojban.org/ LMW]. At this step please don’t edit text for real. Yes, you are free to damage the text but everything is in sandbox mode. All your changes can be easily reverted or deleted.
#:Look at the formatting. Look if the source is intuitive for further editing.
#:In case of any problems or disappointment please write your observations or suggestions here.
#:We will try to land as many times as needed.
#When we agree that the book is easy to develop we are moving onto the second step.
#:It is advised to create new chapters related to any topics you think are worth explaining.

Latest revision as of 14:28, 21 December 2015

Extended Lojban Grammar (a draft)

Extended Lojban Grammar (ToDo)

Preface

Extended Lojbanic Grammar (ELG, formerly CLL and Berry lessons) is the full reference grammar of Lojban to work on par with The Crash Course in Lojban, a Lojban dialect developed by Lojbanic community in IRC chat channel #lojban. Compared to CLL ELG is more bulky.

Not for newbies obviously. Not really a continuation of the Crash Course.

ELG is to be written mostly in simple Lojban. Many borrowings from English are expected. Many parts of ELG are based on CLL.

ELG presents different interesting aspects of Lojban language, it's grammar, vocabulary and applications in different fields.

ELG Addendum

Many syntactically well-formed structures in Lojban have no clearly-defined interpretation. ELG Addendum lists unofficial proposals for useful or needful interpretive conventions for some of these cases. Some of these proposed conventions might be natural and/or logical consequences of official interpretive conventions.

Content

Lexicon semantics

Other things

  • change cmene to cmevla

Proposals

Proposals that have died in the arse

What does it mean?

Formatting