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''The Journey'' is the largest project for zasni Lojban ([[La Bangu]]).
{{The Crash Course/en}}
It consists of:
==[[Extended Lojban Grammar (a draft)]]==
=[[Not ready: Crash-course in Lojban. Version 0.18 alpha]]=
==[[Extended Lojban Grammar (ToDo)]]==
1st part


#:It's a continuation of la gleki's[https://docs.google.com/document/d/101dgwoA60kGbn7ii9HzXJBfZu-RDUzKGcQ9bMkEkCjc/edit?usp=drive_web introduction to Lojban] but it also uses appropriate parts of [[L4B]], [[Lojban Wave Lessons|Wave lessons]] and [[CLL]] as well as different insights from [[Lojban IRC|IRC]]residents and textbooks on other languages.
==Preface==
#:It tries not to use lojbanic terminology much. It explains most lojbanic terms in ordinary language (e.g. tanru are “compound verbs” etc.)
#:L4N is to be written in native languages of learners. The first edition is written in English.
#:Examples of it's parts: "Lojban as a simple language for everyday use", "Phrasebook", "Lojban for logicians", "Math in Lojban"
=[[Not ready: "Speak Lojban!" course|"Speak Lojban!" course]]=
2nd part
=[[La Bangu: dictionary]]=
3rd part
=[[La Bangu: stories in La Bangu]]=
4th part. Different texts for beginners
=ELG=
5th optional part.


Preface:
''Extended Lojbanic Grammar'' (ELG, formerly [[CLL]] and Berry lessons) is the full reference grammar of Lojban to work on par with [[The Crash Course in Lojban]], a Lojban dialect developed by [[Fancy Generation Lojbanists|Lojbanic community]] in IRC chat channel #lojban. Compared to [[CLL]] ELG is more bulky.


Out of the blue this is where ''Extended Lojbanic Grammar'' (ELG, formerly [[CLL]] and Berry lessons) starts. So here we have the full reference grammar of La Bangu. Not for newbies obviously. Not really a continuation of the ''Crash Course''.
Not for newbies obviously. Not really a continuation of the ''[[The Crash Course in Lojban: The Journey|Crash Course]]''.
 
ELG is the reference grammar of [[La Bangu]], a Lojban dialect developed by [[Fancy Generation Lojbanists|Lojbanic community]] in IRC chat channel #lojban. Compared to [[CLL]] ELG is more bulky.


ELG is to be written mostly in simple Lojban. Many borrowings from English are expected. Many parts of ELG are based on CLL.
ELG is to be written mostly in simple Lojban. Many borrowings from English are expected. Many parts of ELG are based on CLL.
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ELG presents different interesting aspects of Lojban language, it's grammar, vocabulary and applications in different fields.
ELG presents different interesting aspects of Lojban language, it's grammar, vocabulary and applications in different fields.


Content:
==ELG Addendum==
Many syntactically well-formed structures in Lojban have no clearly-defined interpretation. ELG Addendum lists unofficial proposals for useful or needful interpretive conventions for some of these cases. Some of these proposed conventions might be natural and/or logical consequences of official interpretive conventions.
==Content==
*CLL: to be imported
*CLL: to be imported
*[[gotchas]] are actually amendments to ELG and [[The Crash Course (a draft)]].
*[[ELG: Default place filling]]
*[[ELG: Default place filling]]
*[[ELG: any and some in detail: da zo'u]]
*[[ELG: any and some in detail: da zo'u]]
*[[ELG: soi - bridi relative clause|'''soi''' - bridi relative clause]]
*[[ELG: Raising]]
*[[du'au, me'au, me'ei]]
*[[ELG: Negating BAI]]
*[[ELG: Negating BAI]]
*[[ELG: xorlo]]
*[['''le''' as an anaphorical particle]]
*[[ELG:Logic and Lojban]] - to be written by [[la latro'a]]
*[[ELG:Logic and Lojban]] - to be written by [[la latro'a]]
*[[ELG: type autocorrection]]
*[[Possessive sumti]]
*[[Formal definition of moi]]
*grouping gismu (by their semantics, place structure)
*grouping gismu (by their semantics, place structure)
*bear goo, xorlo in detail
*bear goo, xorlo in detail
==Lexicon semantics==
==Lexicon semantics==
*[[ELG: detri]] (compared to datru, also tcika)
*[[ELG: detri]] (compared to datru, also tcika)
*[[ELG: Subjunctives in detail|Subjunctives in detail]] (fanbu, fau, da'i and verbs that have da'i flavor)
*[[Stub: Grammatical aspects]]
*[[Stub: Grammatical aspects]]
*[[ELG: Metaphors]] (metfo, pesna, pe'a)
*[[ELG: Metaphors]] (metfo, pesna, pe'a)
*[[ELG: The problem of as|The problem of '''as''']] (tasmi, tai)
*[[ELG: The problem of as|The problem of '''as''']] (tasmi, tai)
*[[ELG: sensory gismu]] (also krumami, sodna, slari etc.)
*[[ELG: sensory gismu]] (also krumami, sodna, slari etc.)
*[[ELG: onomatopoeia]]
*[[ELG: commands and requests]]
*[[ELG: commands and requests]]
*[[ELG: chemistry]] (IUPAC nomenclature?)
*[[ELG: chemistry]] (IUPAC nomenclature?)
==ELG: formatting==
*[[:Category:jboske]]
What do we need?
 
#ELG should be in one page.
*[[Missing predicates]]
#Every paragraph can have a unique id so that we can link to it from other parts of ELG: <nowiki>{{judri|#NNN}}</nowiki>
 
#Every paragraph can have a short dictionary-style info for indices on what this paragraph describes. Separated by ":": <nowiki>{{ind|lojban:what is}}</nowiki>
==Other things==
#Every example has the following syntax:
*change cmene to cmevla
#:
<nowiki>
:Example NNN
:'''lo lojbo se cusku'''
:''Translation.''
:<code>Gloss-ing</code>
</nowiki>
#Images are just normal wiki-images, might be in thumbnail form.<nowiki>[[Image:name.png|thumb|caption text|link=]]</nowiki>
#Lojbanic text is '''bold''', translation in ''italic'', glossing in <nowiki><code></nowiki> tags. Rafsi are <nowiki>{{r|gau}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{g|broda}}</nowiki>, lujvo are <nowiki>{{l|kargau}}</nowiki>, fu'ivla are <nowiki>{{f|spageti}}</nowiki>, cmevla are <nowiki>{{.|cmevlas}}</nowiki>, cmavo are <nowiki>{{c|gau}}</nowiki>.


What else do we REALLY need? The remaining tags should be removed imo.
==== Proposals ====
* anaphora
** [[construal of antecedents of sumti anaphors|construal of antecedents of sumti anaphors]]
** [[identifying no'a antecedents|identifying no'a antecedents]]
** [[lerfu pro-sumti, and why ko'a sucks|lerfu pro-sumti, and why ko'a sucks]]
*** Not really a proposed interpretive convention, more a discussion of a convention already extant in the language (per [[The Book|The Book]]) and why it should be used more.
** pertaining to vo'a
*** [[Why the Book is Right and the ma'oste is Wrong|Why the Book is Right and the ma'oste is Wrong]]
* gadri and quantifiers
** ''[[tu'o|tu'o]]''
** ''[[coi xirma, doi xirma|coi xirma, doi xirma]]''
** [[requantification|requantification]]
** [[quantification and the meaning of ro|quantification and the meaning of ro]]
** [[sumti qualifiers|sumti qualifiers]]
* concerning NU abstractions
** ''[[ce'u|ce'u]]''
** ''[[ka, du'u, si'o, ce'u, zo'e|ka, du'u, si'o, ce'u, zo'e]]''
** ''[[pu'u|pu'u]]''
* ''kau''
** [[makau|makau]]
** [[indirect indicators|indirect indicators]]
* concerning numbers &amp; mekso
** [[ju'u|ju'u]]
** [[Internal grammar of numbers|Internal grammar of numbers]]
** [[Number subgrammar|Number subgrammar]]
* concerning tcita, tense &amp; modals
** [[JAhA + CAI|JAhA + CAI]]
** [[CAhA as sumtcita|CAhA as sumtcita]]
** [[''nau'' as sumtcita|''nau'' as sumtcita]]
** [[scope of tenses and NA|scope of tenses and NA]]
* [[Dates|Dates]]
* [[methods of resolving mismatches between place structures and number of overt sumti|methods of resolving mismatches between place structures and number of overt sumti]]
** [[SE + x2-less brivla]]
* [[semantical equivalences|semantical equivalences]]
* [[Interpretive conventions for lerfu formatting cmavo|Interpretive conventions for lerfu formatting cmavo]]


==Creation==
==== Proposals that have [[dies in the arse|died in the arse]] ====
[[User:Gleki|gleki]]:
* concerning NU abstractions
: I'm not willing to change the order of chapters in the first place as it was suggested for CLL 2.0 as ELG is not a tutorial. You need to have passed L4N course in order to be able to read it. However, yes, the next step would be rearranging the stuff.
** [[''ka'' versus ''du'u'', and ''ce'u'' and ''zo'e''|''ka'' versus ''du'u'', and ''ce'u'' and ''zo'e'']]
: And the step after that will be translating ELG to Lojban itself.
* [[asymmetric goi|asymmetric goi]]
* [[On the meaning of 'ro broda cu brode' (arsedead version)-|On the meaning of 'ro broda cu brode' (arsedead version)-]]
==== [[What does it mean?]]====


: I should note that ELG is only initially based on CLL. A lot will be changed in the flow of text during it’s development leading to a possibly completely different book. ELG has nothing to do with CLL 2.0 or Standard Lojban. But if you are tired of waiting for CLL 2.0 then here it is, this <nowiki>[potentially]</nowiki> [[crowd-sauced]] project. And i have no illusions that the crowd will be > pamei .uinai
==[[Talk:cll-temp|Formatting]]==
The creation of ELG will undergo several steps.
[[Category:The Crash Course in Lojban]]
#Landing. CLL will land in [http://mw.lojban.org/ LMW]. At this step please don’t edit text for real. Yes, you are free to damage the text but everything is in sandbox mode. All your changes can be easily reverted or deleted.
#:Look at the formatting. Look if the source is intuitive for further editing.
#:In case of any problems or disappointment please write your observations or suggestions here.
#:We will try to land as many times as needed.
#When we agree that the book is easy to develop we are moving onto the second step.
#:It is advised to create new chapters related to any topics you think are worth explaining.

Latest revision as of 14:28, 21 December 2015

Extended Lojban Grammar (a draft)

Extended Lojban Grammar (ToDo)

Preface

Extended Lojbanic Grammar (ELG, formerly CLL and Berry lessons) is the full reference grammar of Lojban to work on par with The Crash Course in Lojban, a Lojban dialect developed by Lojbanic community in IRC chat channel #lojban. Compared to CLL ELG is more bulky.

Not for newbies obviously. Not really a continuation of the Crash Course.

ELG is to be written mostly in simple Lojban. Many borrowings from English are expected. Many parts of ELG are based on CLL.

ELG presents different interesting aspects of Lojban language, it's grammar, vocabulary and applications in different fields.

ELG Addendum

Many syntactically well-formed structures in Lojban have no clearly-defined interpretation. ELG Addendum lists unofficial proposals for useful or needful interpretive conventions for some of these cases. Some of these proposed conventions might be natural and/or logical consequences of official interpretive conventions.

Content

Lexicon semantics

Other things

  • change cmene to cmevla

Proposals

Proposals that have died in the arse

What does it mean?

Formatting