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===  Proposed Definitions ===


Experimental cmavo.
;'''jo'a''' (UI3a):  Discursive. Used to express metalinguistic yes, confirm a presupposition.  (cf. drani)


Built as a MAI, with a number prepended to ''bei'e''; placed as an evidential.
**Keywords: Yes, indeed, quite so, right.


The number added to the front is the decibels of logarithmic Bayesian probability the speaker assigns to the word or phrase that the ''bei'e'' refers to. 0, ''nobei'e'', represents 50% confidence, higher numbers greater confidence, lower numbers lesser confidence, as according to E.T. Jaynes' standard description.
jo'a go'i<br />


||'''ni'uci'ibei'e'''|-∞|0%|1:∞|complete disbelief, paradox
''That's right, yes.''<br />


'''ni'upabei'e'''|-1|44.3%|4:5|
;'''kau''' (UI3a):  Discursive.  Used to indicate an indirect question.


'''ni'ubei'e'''|<0|<50%|<1:1|less than even odds, less likely than so
**Keywords: indirect question


'''nobei'e'''|0|50%|1:1|neither belief nor disbelief, agnosticism
mi na djuno lo du'u ti mo kau<br />


'''ma'ubei'e'''|>0|>50%|>1:1|greater than even odds, more likely than not
''I don't know what this is.''


'''pabei'e'''|1|55.7%|5:4|preponderance of the evidence
.e'o ko no da jungau lo du'u mi zvati ma kau<br />


'''rebei'e'''|2|61.3%|3:2|
''Please don't tell anyone where I am.''


'''cibei'e'''|3|66.6%|2:1|clear and convincing evidence
loi bangu cu ficysi'u lo ka xo kau da jicmu valsi lo skari ce'u<br />


'''vobei'e'''|4|71.5%|5:2|
''Languages differ in how many basic colour terms they have.''


'''mubei'e'''|5|76.0%|3:1|beyond a reasonable doubt
.ei do jdice lo du'u xu kau do djica lo nu klama<br />


'''xabei'e'''|6|80.0%|4:1|
''You ought to decide whether or not you want to go.''


'''zebei'e'''|7|83.3%|5:1|
** [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/9f9a30a4d2a1215b ssues]


'''bibei'e'''|8|86.3%|6:1|
;'''li'o''' (UI3a):  Discursive. Used to indicate omitted text. 


'''sobei'e'''|9|88.8%|8:1|
**Keywords: and so on, etc.


'''panobei'e'''|10|90.9%|10:1|
lo pavdei cu pa moi djedi .i lo reldei cu re moi djedi .i li'o<br />


'''pacibei'e'''|13|95.2%|20:1|
''Monday is the first day, Tuesday is the second day, and so on.''  


'''xarebei'e'''|62|99.99994%|1,500,000:1|5 standard deviations
;'''na'i''' (UI3a):  Discursive. Used to express metalinguistic not, deny a presupposition.  (cf. naldra, nalmapti)


'''ci'ibei'e'''|∞|100%|∞:1|complete belief, tautology
**Keywords: metalinguistic negation.


'''xobei'e'''|?|?%|?:?|question, asking listener their level of belief||
do krici ma zo kampu<br />


Adding 10 decibels multiplies the odds by a factor of 10.
na'i go'i .i mi na djuno tu'a le gismu<br />


Some people prefer to measure probability in bits rather than decibels. The conversion between them is fairly easy, as there are 3.01 decibels in a bit, so simply dividing by three will suffice for everyday purposes. (''bei'e'' uses decibels rather than bits for the increased resolution, but should anyone really want an experimental cmavo that uses bits instead, they are as free to create and use it as I was to create ''bei'e''. Perhaps change the final ''e'' for an ''i'', to represent the change from dEcibels to bIts.)
''What do you believe of "kampu"?''<br />
 
''No, I don't know that gismu.''
 
;'''pe'a''' (UI3c): Discursive. Used to indicate figurative / non-literal / metaphorical language.
 
**Keywords: figurative marker
 
mi mutce ke jelca pe'a cortu le kanla<br />
 
''I have an intense "burning" pain in my eyes.''
 
;'''pe'a nai''' (UI*3c): Discursive. Used to indicate non-figurative / literal / non-metaphorical language.
 
**Keywords: literally
 
pe'a nai lo nu zbasu lo sanso cu mentu li pa<br />
 
''It takes literally a minute to make the sauce.''
 
;'''sa'a''' (UI3a):  Discursive.  Used to indicate an editorial insertion.  (cf. setca)
 
**Keywords: editorial insertion
 
lu .ei do ckeji sei sa'a la .alis. cu cusku li'u<br />
 
''"You ought to be ashamed of yourself," said Alice.''
 
;'''ta'u''' (UI3a):  Discursive.  Used to indicate the expansion of a tanru.
 
**Keywords: expanding the tanru
 
dei bebna mupli .i ta'u mupli lo bebna<br />
 
''This is a silly example, i.e. it exemplifies something silly.''<br />
 
<br />
 
Debate [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/5c5b14ed350c5337 here].
 
;'''ta'u nai''' (UI*3a):  Discursive.  Used to indicate the making of a tanru.
 
**Keywords: making a tanru
 
dei mupli lo bebna i ta'u nai bebna mupli<br />
 
''This is an example of something silly. A silly example, we might say.''
 
;'''ge'e''' (UI6): Attitudinal. Used to express an unspecified emotion.
 
**Keywords: unspecified emotion
 
fo'a di'i nai cmoni .i mo'u bacru lu ge'e frica li'u<br />
 
''He hems and haws. "It's different," he finally says.''
 
;'''ki'a''' (UI6): Attitudinal question. Used to express textual confusion. (cf. cfipu, kucli)
 
**Keywords: What? Textual confusion.
 
le ki'a jubme<br />
 
''Which table?''  
 
;'''ki'a nai''' (UI*6): Non-question. Used to express understanding.
 
**Keywords: Understanding
 
ki'a nai .i do pu xalbo<br />
 
''I see, you were joking.''
 
;'''xu''' (UI6): Discursive. Used to pose a true-false question.
 
**Keywords: yes/no question.
 
xu ti banzu<br />
 
''Is this enough?''
 
===  Notes ===
 
*The ma'oste and CLL have '''ta'u''' and '''ta'u nai''' reversed. I followed CLL in the definitions.
 
===  Issues ===
 
How does one indicate that {sa'a} is actually part of quoted text?  Would {sa'a sa'a nai} do it?
 
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Revision as of 16:45, 4 November 2013

Proposed Definitions

jo'a (UI3a)
Discursive. Used to express metalinguistic yes, confirm a presupposition. (cf. drani)
    • Keywords: Yes, indeed, quite so, right.

jo'a go'i

That's right, yes.

kau (UI3a)
Discursive. Used to indicate an indirect question.
    • Keywords: indirect question

mi na djuno lo du'u ti mo kau

I don't know what this is.

.e'o ko no da jungau lo du'u mi zvati ma kau

Please don't tell anyone where I am.

loi bangu cu ficysi'u lo ka xo kau da jicmu valsi lo skari ce'u

Languages differ in how many basic colour terms they have.

.ei do jdice lo du'u xu kau do djica lo nu klama

You ought to decide whether or not you want to go.

li'o (UI3a)
Discursive. Used to indicate omitted text.
    • Keywords: and so on, etc.

lo pavdei cu pa moi djedi .i lo reldei cu re moi djedi .i li'o

Monday is the first day, Tuesday is the second day, and so on.

na'i (UI3a)
Discursive. Used to express metalinguistic not, deny a presupposition. (cf. naldra, nalmapti)
    • Keywords: metalinguistic negation.

do krici ma zo kampu

na'i go'i .i mi na djuno tu'a le gismu

What do you believe of "kampu"?

No, I don't know that gismu.

pe'a (UI3c)
Discursive. Used to indicate figurative / non-literal / metaphorical language.
    • Keywords: figurative marker

mi mutce ke jelca pe'a cortu le kanla

I have an intense "burning" pain in my eyes.

pe'a nai (UI*3c)
Discursive. Used to indicate non-figurative / literal / non-metaphorical language.
    • Keywords: literally

pe'a nai lo nu zbasu lo sanso cu mentu li pa

It takes literally a minute to make the sauce.

sa'a (UI3a)
Discursive. Used to indicate an editorial insertion. (cf. setca)
    • Keywords: editorial insertion

lu .ei do ckeji sei sa'a la .alis. cu cusku li'u

"You ought to be ashamed of yourself," said Alice.

ta'u (UI3a)
Discursive. Used to indicate the expansion of a tanru.
    • Keywords: expanding the tanru

dei bebna mupli .i ta'u mupli lo bebna

This is a silly example, i.e. it exemplifies something silly.


Debate here.

ta'u nai (UI*3a)
Discursive. Used to indicate the making of a tanru.
    • Keywords: making a tanru

dei mupli lo bebna i ta'u nai bebna mupli

This is an example of something silly. A silly example, we might say.

ge'e (UI6)
Attitudinal. Used to express an unspecified emotion.
    • Keywords: unspecified emotion

fo'a di'i nai cmoni .i mo'u bacru lu ge'e frica li'u

He hems and haws. "It's different," he finally says.

ki'a (UI6)
Attitudinal question. Used to express textual confusion. (cf. cfipu, kucli)
    • Keywords: What? Textual confusion.

le ki'a jubme

Which table?

ki'a nai (UI*6)
Non-question. Used to express understanding.
    • Keywords: Understanding

ki'a nai .i do pu xalbo

I see, you were joking.

xu (UI6)
Discursive. Used to pose a true-false question.
    • Keywords: yes/no question.

xu ti banzu

Is this enough?

Notes

  • The ma'oste and CLL have ta'u and ta'u nai reversed. I followed CLL in the definitions.

Issues

How does one indicate that {sa'a} is actually part of quoted text? Would {sa'a sa'a nai} do it?

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