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=== cmavo: ca'u (FAhA2) ===
  
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==== Proposed Definition ====
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Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located in front of a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is in front of.
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==== Proposed Tag ====
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fi'o se crane
  
=== cmavo: ca'u (FAHA2) ===
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==== See Also ====
 
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
 
 
Indicates that something is positioned in front of the speaker.  When tagging a sumti, indicates that the relation described by the bridi in question is positioned in front of the tagged sumti.
 
 
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
 
 
farna tcita (provisional)
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
 
 
 
* {crane}
 
* {crane}
 
* {farna}
 
* {farna}
  
==== Proposed Keywords ====
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==== Proposed Keywords ====
 
 
 
* front
 
* front
 
* in front of
 
* in front of
 
 
* forwards
 
* forwards
 
* to the front of
 
* to the front of
  
==== Usage Examples ====
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==== Usage Examples ====
 
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;ko krorinsa ca'u mi:Curtsey in front of me.
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;.ua lo snime cu centre li re mu ca'u lo do vorme: [Discovery] The snow is 25 centimeters thick in front of your door.
 
;dy co'a klama gi'e gunta le ca'u pa moi be la molki:D started going and attacked the front-most mill.
 
;dy co'a klama gi'e gunta le ca'u pa moi be la molki:D started going and attacked the front-most mill.
  
;lo jukni ca'a dinju gasnu ca'u le mi skami jarco:A spider is actually building a web in front of my computer screen.
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==== Notes ====
 
 
==== Notes ====
 
  
"dinju" is not normally "web"; this is inferred from context because
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=== cmavo: ga'u (FAhA2) ===
  
it's a spider making it.
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==== Proposed Definition ====
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Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located above a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is above of.  
  
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==== Proposed Tag ====
 
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fi'o se gapru
 
 
=== cmavo: ga'u (FAHA2) ===
 
 
 
====  Usage Examples ====
 
 
 
;xu do terdu'a le dakfu le tolci'o nanmu ga'u le jacfa'u:Have you gotten the sword from the old man above the waterfall?
 
 
 
;mi ga'u lo ba'e tolxanri bloti cu co'e:On top of the boat, I do something.
 
 
 
;ma pu ga'u muvdu:What moved above you?
 
 
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
 
 
Indicates that something is positioned above the speaker.  When tagging a sumti, indicates that the relation described by the bridi in question is positioned above the tagged sumti.
 
 
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
 
 
farna tcita (provisional)
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
  
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==== See Also ====
 
* {gapru}
 
* {gapru}
 
* {farna}
 
* {farna}
  
==== Proposed Keywords ====
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==== Proposed Keywords ====
 
 
 
* above
 
* above
 
* upwards
 
* upwards
 
 
* up from
 
* up from
  
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==== Usage Examples ====
  
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;xu do terdu'a le dakfu le tolci'o nanmu ga'u le jacfa'u:Have you gotten the sword from the old man above the waterfall?
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;lo cipni ga'u lo bloti cu vofli:Birds are flying above the boat.
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;ma pu ga'u muvdu:What moved above?
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=== cmavo: ni'a (FAHA2) ===
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=== cmavo: ni'a (FAhA2) ===
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
  
Indicates that something is positioned below the speaker. When tagging a sumti, indicates that the relation described by the bridi in question is positioned below the tagged sumti.
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==== Proposed Definition ====
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Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located below a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is below.  
  
==== Proposed Tag ====
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==== Proposed Tag ====
 
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fi'o se cnita
farna tcita (provisional)
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
  
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==== See Also ====
 
* {cnita}
 
* {cnita}
 
* {farna}
 
* {farna}
  
==== Proposed Keywords ====
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==== Proposed Keywords ====
 
 
 
* below
 
* below
 
* downwards
 
* downwards
 
 
* down from
 
* down from
  
==== Usage Examples ====
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==== Usage Examples ====
  
 
;mi kakne lo nu reskla ni'a le vrogai:I can creep under the door.
 
;mi kakne lo nu reskla ni'a le vrogai:I can creep under the door.
 
 
;ko mo'i ni'a klama fo le serti:Go down the stairs.
 
;ko mo'i ni'a klama fo le serti:Go down the stairs.
  
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=== cmavo: ri'u (FAhA2) ===
=== cmavo: ri'u (FAHA2) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
 
 
Indicates that something is positioned to the right of the speaker.  When tagging a sumti, indicates that the relation described by the bridi in question is positioned to the right of the tagged sumti.
 
 
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
  
farna tcita (provisional)
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==== Proposed Definition ====
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Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located to the right of a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event to the right of.
  
==== See Also ====
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==== Proposed Tag ====
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fi'o se pritu
  
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==== See Also ====
 
* {pritu}
 
* {pritu}
 
* {farna}
 
* {farna}
  
==== Proposed Keywords ====
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==== Proposed Keywords ====
 
 
 
* on the right of
 
* on the right of
 
* rightwards
 
* rightwards
 
 
* to the right of
 
* to the right of
  
==== Usage Examples ====
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==== Usage Examples ====
 
 
 
;le zu'a nanmu mo'i ri'u klama:The man to my left goes to my rightwards.
 
;le zu'a nanmu mo'i ri'u klama:The man to my left goes to my rightwards.
 
 
;lo skami be ri'u mi cu co'u cladu:The computer to my right stopped being loud.
 
;lo skami be ri'u mi cu co'u cladu:The computer to my right stopped being loud.
 
 
;la .bil. sanli ri'u vi ku:Bill stands nearby to my right.
 
;la .bil. sanli ri'u vi ku:Bill stands nearby to my right.
 
 
;lo tadni cu zu'a nanmu gi'e ri'u ninmu:The students are women on my left and men on my right.
 
;lo tadni cu zu'a nanmu gi'e ri'u ninmu:The students are women on my left and men on my right.
  
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=== cmavo: ru'u (FAhA2) ===
=== cmavo: ru'u (FAHA2) ===
 
 
 
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
  
Indicates that something is wrapped around of the speaker. When tagging a sumti, indicates that the relation described by the bridi in question is wrapped around the tagged sumti.
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==== Proposed Definition ====
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Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located around or surrounding a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is located around of.
  
==== Proposed Tag ====
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==== Proposed Tag ====
 
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fi'o se sruri
farna tcita (provisional)
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
  
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==== See Also ====
 
* {sruri}
 
* {sruri}
 
* {farna}
 
* {farna}
  
==== Proposed Keywords ====
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==== Proposed Keywords ====
 
 
 
* surrounding  
 
* surrounding  
 
* annular
 
* annular
 
 
* around
 
* around
  
==== Usage Examples ====
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==== Usage Examples ====
 
 
 
;mi mutce le ka tatpi le nu ru'u limna:I am very tired of swimming about here.
 
;mi mutce le ka tatpi le nu ru'u limna:I am very tired of swimming about here.
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;.a bu tengau le birka ru'u le gumri:Alice stretched her arms around the mushroom.
  
;.a bu tengau le birka ru'u le gumri:Alice stretched her arms around the the mushroom.
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==== Notes ====
 
 
==== Notes ====
 
  
 
Does this work like sruri, which has "near total containment in some dimension(s)" in the notes?
 
Does this work like sruri, which has "near total containment in some dimension(s)" in the notes?
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Is this word actually ''useful'' for much of anything.
 
Is this word actually ''useful'' for much of anything.
 
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===  cmavo: ti'a (FAHA2) ===
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* For usages like ru'u limna to be retained, ru'u should mean something like "spanning around a point". The event of Alice swimming occupies an area around a certain point and the event stays within the boundaries of this area. (This would make it somewhat similar to vi'u). Another option would be to say that {ru'u} doesn't describe a full circle, but rather an arch of any length which is defined by the directional vector of the selbri. --[[selpa'i]]
  
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=== cmavo: ti'a (FAhA2) ===
  
Indicates that something is positioned behind of the speaker. When tagging a sumti, indicates that the relation described by the bridi in question is positioned ... of the tagged sumti.
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==== Proposed Definition ====
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Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located behind a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is behind of.
  
==== Proposed Tag ====
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==== Proposed Tag ====
 
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fi'o se trixe
farna tcita (provisional)
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
  
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==== See Also ====
 
* {trixe}
 
* {trixe}
 
* {farna}
 
* {farna}
  
==== Proposed Keywords ====
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==== Proposed Keywords ====
 
 
 
* behind
 
* behind
 
* rearwards
 
* rearwards
 
 
* to the rear of
 
* to the rear of
  
==== Usage Examples ====
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==== Usage Examples ====
  
 
;lo zgike sance cu klama fi lo rictu'a be ti'a le mi zdani:The musical sounds came from the forest behind my house.
 
;lo zgike sance cu klama fi lo rictu'a be ti'a le mi zdani:The musical sounds came from the forest behind my house.
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;lo gunma be lo crino slanydi'u cu sanli ti'a lo crino bitmu:A mass of green towers stood behind a green wall.
  
;.ii sai ko viska ti'a do:Look out behind your!
 
  
;vy ti'a jgari sy re birka le cutne:V hugged S from behind.
 
  
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=== cmavo: zu'a (FAhA2) ===
  
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==== Proposed Definition ====
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Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located to the left of a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event to the left of.
  
=== cmavo: zu'a (FAHA2) ===
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fi'o se zunle
====  Proposed Definition ====
 
 
 
Indicates that something is positioned to the left of the speaker.  When tagging a sumti, indicates that the relation described by the bridi in question is positioned to the left of the tagged sumti.
 
 
 
====  Proposed Tag ====
 
 
 
farna tcita (provisional)
 
 
 
====  See Also ====
 
  
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==== See Also ====
 
* {zunle}
 
* {zunle}
 
* {farna}
 
* {farna}
  
==== Proposed Keywords ====
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==== Proposed Keywords ====
 
 
 
* on the left of
 
* on the left of
 
* leftwards
 
* leftwards
 
 
* to the left of
 
* to the left of
  
==== Usage Examples ====
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==== Usage Examples ====
  
 
;lo tadni cu zu'a nanmu gi'e ri'u ninmu:The students are women on my left and men on my right.
 
;lo tadni cu zu'a nanmu gi'e ri'u ninmu:The students are women on my left and men on my right.
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;le zu'a nanmu fa'a ri'u klama:The man to my left goes towards my right.
  
;le zu'a nanmu mo'i ri'u klama:The man to my left goes to my rightwards.
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=== General Section Issues ===
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=== General Section Issues ===
 
  
 
Most of these make no sense in front of a selbri with "mi" in the
 
Most of these make no sense in front of a selbri with "mi" in the
 
 
bridi, because you can't be (for example) above yourself, so "mi
 
bridi, because you can't be (for example) above yourself, so "mi
 
 
ga'u zutse" doesn't seem possible.
 
ga'u zutse" doesn't seem possible.
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* They make perfect sense. The implicitly tagged sumti is understood from context. "mi ga'u zutse" expands to "lo nu mi zutse cu gapru (zo'e)". This zo'e is usually understood to be the position of the speaker, just like the default for "pu" is the time of the speaker. However, here it very clearly means "I sit above (something)." --[[selpa'i]]
  
 
Does "ri'u do" mean "on your right", or "rightwards of you relative to the speaker"? Whichever it means, we need a way to say the other without leaving tenses.
 
Does "ri'u do" mean "on your right", or "rightwards of you relative to the speaker"? Whichever it means, we need a way to say the other without leaving tenses.
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* I would think {ri'u do} would be the latter, while {do ri'u} is the former. - .aionys.
  
* I would think {ri'u do} would be the latter, while {do ri'u} is the former. - .aionys.
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Latest revision as of 22:56, 9 February 2015

This page is imported from version 36 of the page BPFK Section: Non-Contact Spatial from the lojban Tiki.

cmavo: ca'u (FAhA2)

Proposed Definition

Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located in front of a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is in front of.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se crane

See Also

  • {crane}
  • {farna}

Proposed Keywords

  • front
  • in front of
  • forwards
  • to the front of

Usage Examples

ko krorinsa ca'u mi
Curtsey in front of me.
.ua lo snime cu centre li re mu ca'u lo do vorme
[Discovery] The snow is 25 centimeters thick in front of your door.
dy co'a klama gi'e gunta le ca'u pa moi be la molki
D started going and attacked the front-most mill.

Notes

cmavo: ga'u (FAhA2)

Proposed Definition

Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located above a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is above of.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se gapru

See Also

  • {gapru}
  • {farna}

Proposed Keywords

  • above
  • upwards
  • up from

Usage Examples

xu do terdu'a le dakfu le tolci'o nanmu ga'u le jacfa'u
Have you gotten the sword from the old man above the waterfall?
lo cipni ga'u lo bloti cu vofli
Birds are flying above the boat.
ma pu ga'u muvdu
What moved above?


cmavo: ni'a (FAhA2)

Proposed Definition

Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located below a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is below.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se cnita

See Also

  • {cnita}
  • {farna}

Proposed Keywords

  • below
  • downwards
  • down from

Usage Examples

mi kakne lo nu reskla ni'a le vrogai
I can creep under the door.
ko mo'i ni'a klama fo le serti
Go down the stairs.


cmavo: ri'u (FAhA2)

Proposed Definition

Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located to the right of a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event to the right of.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se pritu

See Also

  • {pritu}
  • {farna}

Proposed Keywords

  • on the right of
  • rightwards
  • to the right of

Usage Examples

le zu'a nanmu mo'i ri'u klama
The man to my left goes to my rightwards.
lo skami be ri'u mi cu co'u cladu
The computer to my right stopped being loud.
la .bil. sanli ri'u vi ku
Bill stands nearby to my right.
lo tadni cu zu'a nanmu gi'e ri'u ninmu
The students are women on my left and men on my right.


cmavo: ru'u (FAhA2)

Proposed Definition

Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located around or surrounding a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is located around of.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se sruri

See Also

  • {sruri}
  • {farna}

Proposed Keywords

  • surrounding
  • annular
  • around

Usage Examples

mi mutce le ka tatpi le nu ru'u limna
I am very tired of swimming about here.
.a bu tengau le birka ru'u le gumri
Alice stretched her arms around the mushroom.

Notes

Does this work like sruri, which has "near total containment in some dimension(s)" in the notes?

The ru'u limna example seems like it doesn't work, because Alice herself is not wrapped around anything.

Is this word actually useful for much of anything.


  • For usages like ru'u limna to be retained, ru'u should mean something like "spanning around a point". The event of Alice swimming occupies an area around a certain point and the event stays within the boundaries of this area. (This would make it somewhat similar to vi'u). Another option would be to say that {ru'u} doesn't describe a full circle, but rather an arch of any length which is defined by the directional vector of the selbri. --selpa'i


cmavo: ti'a (FAhA2)

Proposed Definition

Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located behind a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event is behind of.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se trixe

See Also

  • {trixe}
  • {farna}

Proposed Keywords

  • behind
  • rearwards
  • to the rear of

Usage Examples

lo zgike sance cu klama fi lo rictu'a be ti'a le mi zdani
The musical sounds came from the forest behind my house.
lo gunma be lo crino slanydi'u cu sanli ti'a lo crino bitmu
A mass of green towers stood behind a green wall.



cmavo: zu'a (FAhA2)

Proposed Definition

Spatial tense. It indicates that the event is located to the left of a certain point. When tagging a sumti, the sumti specifies the point the event to the left of.

Proposed Tag

fi'o se zunle

See Also

  • {zunle}
  • {farna}

Proposed Keywords

  • on the left of
  • leftwards
  • to the left of

Usage Examples

lo tadni cu zu'a nanmu gi'e ri'u ninmu
The students are women on my left and men on my right.
le zu'a nanmu fa'a ri'u klama
The man to my left goes towards my right.


General Section Issues

Most of these make no sense in front of a selbri with "mi" in the bridi, because you can't be (for example) above yourself, so "mi ga'u zutse" doesn't seem possible.

  • They make perfect sense. The implicitly tagged sumti is understood from context. "mi ga'u zutse" expands to "lo nu mi zutse cu gapru (zo'e)". This zo'e is usually understood to be the position of the speaker, just like the default for "pu" is the time of the speaker. However, here it very clearly means "I sit above (something)." --selpa'i

Does "ri'u do" mean "on your right", or "rightwards of you relative to the speaker"? Whichever it means, we need a way to say the other without leaving tenses.

  • I would think {ri'u do} would be the latter, while {do ri'u} is the former. - .aionys.

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