BPFK Section: Causation sumtcita as of 16 Jun 2005

{CODE(wrap="1]]jbocre: 09:04 <vensa> btw: where does it say that {xorlo} is official? jbocre: 09:04 <ctino> ... jbocre: 09:05 <selckiku> xorlo was ruled official by some meeting of the LLG or something jbocre: 09:05 <vensa> where does it say that? jbocre: 09:05 <selckiku> in my memory, for one place jbocre: 09:05 <vensa> ha ha jbocre: 09:05 <ctino> I wish I could search some database for a word and have it return to me a giant list of ALL of the grammar rules associated with it... jbocre: 09:05 <treed> "interim baseline" jbocre: 09:05 <treed> check the meeting minutes jbocre: 09:05 <selckiku> i remember them saying it was a "christmas gift" somewher! jbocre: 09:05 <vensa> isnt threre an official site of the LLG's meeting summaries? jbocre: 09:05 <treed> it was a christmas gift to the community 3-4 years ago jbocre: 09:06 <vensa> treed: where can I see the "interim baseline"? jbocre: 09:06 <ksion> IIRC neither xorlo nor dotside is official, but at least xorlo is mentioned in dictionary :) jbocre: 09:07 <tomoj> ydrc jbocre: 09:07 <vensa> wha?! jbocre: 09:07 <tomoj> he doesn't remember correctly jbocre: 09:07 <vensa> In that case: vensa is officialy denouncing xorlo as of now jbocre: 09:07 <vensa> mi nelci lenu mi tavla fi le jbobau fo le jbobau jbocre: 09:07 <tomoj> xorlo was accepted unanimously, but is technically still subject to change, according to the tiki jbocre: 09:08 <vensa> oh...lol: I thout ydrc=You do recall correctly :) jbocre: 09:08 <ksion> Yes. jbocre: 09:08 * ctino cries at the ruinous state of their favorite language jbocre: 09:08 <vensa> ctino: welcome to reality jbocre: 09:08 <vensa> I had that crisis a while back jbocre: 09:08 <selckiku> most languages don't have any official anything and they do fine jbocre: 09:08 <vensa> but I'm still here jbocre: 09:08 <vensa> you get over it jbocre: 09:08 * ksion thinks ctino could finally specify eir gender and stop annoying lindar. jbocre: 09:09 * ctino likes annoying Lindar. jbocre: 09:09 * vensa likes ctino's likes jbocre: 09:09 <ksion> selckiku: AFAIK this is untrue. Most (major) languages have official standarising comitees. jbocre: 09:09 <vensa> yep jbocre: 09:09 <ksion> ctino: Don't get me wrong; I also like lindar being annoyed ;) jbocre: 09:09 <vensa> treed: where can I see this official acceptance of xorlo? jbocre: 09:09 <ctino> Hahaha jbocre: 09:10 <selckiku> i guess "major" in that case means 1st world, european? anyway i stand by my claim jbocre: 09:10 <selckiku> and no one listens to those committees in languages that do have them, anyway jbocre: 09:10 <treed> .g lojban "interim baseline" jbocre: 09:10 <la_fen> treed: No results found for 'lojban "interim baseline"'. jbocre: 09:10 <ksion> selckiku: Anything being spoken by more than 10 milion people. jbocre: 09:10 <treed> wat jbocre: 09:10 <treed> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=lojban+%22interim+baseline%22 jbocre: 09:10 <vensa> selkik: .ienaisai jbocre: 09:11 <ksion> selckiku: Just by the fact your language is weird coglomerate of funky stuff, don't assume everyone else's languages are the same ;P jbocre: 09:11 <vensa> what is the {zasni gafyfantymanri }? jbocre: 09:11 <ctino> I think lojban's committe should be as together as Sun(screw you Oracle) is with Java... Or more so. jbocre: 09:12 <vensa> lol computer analogy jbocre: 09:12 <treed> interim baseline jbocre: 09:12 <ctino> :P jbocre: 09:12 <vensa> oh jbocre: 09:12 <treed> can you just like... read the whole page? jbocre: 09:12 <vensa> does "interim" mean "temporary"? jbocre: 09:12 <ksion> Currently is more like C++ Standard Comitee. jbocre: 09:12 <ctino> ksion: xD jbocre: 09:12 <vensa> treed: I cant read patiently AND pay attention here jbocre: 09:12 <vensa> and I have to pay attention here to annoy certian ppl :P jbocre: 09:13 <treed> Yes, it means "until we finish". jbocre: 09:13 <vensa> I C jbocre: 09:13 <vensa> treed: isnt it possible for anyone to theoretically tamper with this tiki? shouldnt this be placed on a more secure site? jbocre: 09:14 <treed> there are people watching the change list jbocre: 09:14 <vensa> I C jbocre: 09:14 <selckiku> i watch the changes jbocre: 09:14 <vensa> fair enough jbocre: 09:14 <vensa> however, I still think that all Official material should be kept totally seperate from unofficial material (like most of the rest of the tiki) jbocre: 09:15 <vensa> it gives a greater sense of importance in the eye of the reader jbocre: 09:15 <ctino> If it's official it should be put on the wikibooks site. jbocre: 09:15 <ctino> IMO jbocre: 09:15 <vensa> there should be seperate sites: LLG definitions, BPFK stuff, and all the rest jbocre: 09:16 <vensa> IMO it should be put in CLL, but thats another thing jbocre: 09:16 <vensa> obviously no one has the time to do that jbocre: 09:16 <vensa> ctino: what is the wikibooks site? jbocre: 09:16 <ctino> What does BPFK stand for? jbocre: 09:16 <vensa> something in lojban jbocre: 09:16 <ctino> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban jbocre: 09:16 <selckiku> baupla fuzme kamni jbocre: 09:16 <selckiku> something like that jbocre: 09:17 <selckiku> languageplan responsible committee jbocre: 09:17 <ctino> Ah. Cool. jbocre: 09:17 <vensa> ctino: I never, in all my timeof lojban, saw that site. jbocre: 09:17 <ctino> And how does it differ (in responsibility/power) fro LLG? jbocre: 09:17 <vensa> y the heck should it be the "official"? jbocre: 09:18 <ctino> vensa: Because it's a great medium to house the information. And if it were updated with all of the official info it would be excellent. jbocre: 09:19 <vensa> ctino: but no one would fine it. it doesnt come up in the top results in google jbocre: 09:19 <vensa> IMO, the tiki should have a private area that cant be updated by everyone jbocre: 09:19 <vensa> with a big link from the homepage to it saying "official deefinitions" jbocre: 09:19 <selckiku> the only vandalism problem on the tiki is wow gold spammers jbocre: 09:19 <vensa> whats that selkik? jbocre: 09:20 <selckiku> i dunno, every week or so there's an edit where someone puts in something about where to buy wow gold jbocre: 09:20 <vensa> selkik: it's not only a matter of vandalism potential. it's a matter of fact that something seperate that looks serious and official is more highly regarded by readers jbocre: 09:20 <ctino> vensa: ...It's the sixth on google search for lojban. jbocre: 09:21 <vensa> ctino: anything on the results list that is lower than a personal site (http://neptune.spaceports.com/~words/lojban.html) IMO is bogus jbocre: 09:22 <vensa> not just concerning lojban jbocre: 09:22 == jcowan jbocre: [email protected] has quit jbocre: Quit: Leaving jbocre: 09:22 <ctino> So, because the personal site has better SEO it's got more credibility? jbocre: 09:22 <vensa> no jbocre: 09:22 <ctino> That's horrible thinking there. jbocre: 09:22 <vensa> becuz the wikibooks has less SEO it has less credebility jbocre: 09:22 <lindar> ? jbocre: 09:22 <ksion> vensa: When you Google 'lojban' in Polish, my personal site which only contains seven blogposts about lojban is 4th - right after wikipedia ;P jbocre: 09:22 <lindar> What is SEO? jbocre: 09:22 <ksion> Search Engine Optimalisation. jbocre: 09:22 <vensa> ksion: is it b4 lojban org? jbocre: 09:22 <ctino> Search Engine Optimization. jbocre: 09:23 <vensa> IMO: only lojban.org and wikipedia\lojban are the "worthy" sites jbocre: 09:23 <ksion> vensa: lojban.org is not in Polish. jbocre: 09:23 <vensa> thats why lojban org should link to the official site jbocre: 09:23 <vensa> *offical data site {CODE}