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</table>Cirkohttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=BPFK_Section:_Attitudinal_Specifiers&diff=102999&oldid=prevGleki: Gleki moved page bPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers to BPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers over a redirect without leaving a redirect: Text replace - "bPFK" to "BPFK"2014-07-02T12:15:31Z<p>Gleki moved page <a href="/index.php?title=bPFK_Section:_Attitudinal_Specifiers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="bPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers (page does not exist)">bPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers</a> to <a href="/papri/BPFK_Section:_Attitudinal_Specifiers" title="BPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers">BPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers</a> over a redirect without leaving a redirect: Text replace - "bPFK" to "BPFK"</p>
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</table>Glekihttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=BPFK_Section:_Attitudinal_Specifiers&diff=98398&oldid=prevConversion script: Conversion script moved page BPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers to bPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers: Converting page titles to lowercase2014-06-30T08:09:35Z<p>Conversion script moved page <a href="/papri/BPFK_Section:_Attitudinal_Specifiers" title="BPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers">BPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers</a> to <a href="/index.php?title=bPFK_Section:_Attitudinal_Specifiers&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="bPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers (page does not exist)">bPFK Section: Attitudinal Specifiers</a>: Converting page titles to lowercase</p>
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</table>Conversion scripthttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=BPFK_Section:_Attitudinal_Specifiers&diff=74448&oldid=prevGleki at 16:44, 4 November 20132013-11-04T16:44:43Z<p></p>
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{CODE(wrap="1]][[jbocre: 19:01]] <ksion> No but seriously: your suggestion about {go'i} is one of dumbest Lojban ideas I've ever heard, and that's something ;P<br />
[[jbocre: 19:02]] <vensa> :) it comes from my laziness and wanting to be able to answer "yes" as shortly as possible<br />
[[jbocre: 19:02]] <vensa> like the teenagers who shorten "yes" to "ye"<br />
[[jbocre: 19:02]] <vensa> *yeh"<br />
[[jbocre: 19:03]] <@xalbo> In seriousness, it's that sort of thing that gives tinkering a bad name. "{goi} is shorter than {go'i}, so we should change it." "That breaks the sequence." "What sequence?"<br />
[[jbocre: 19:03]] <@xalbo> Wanting to change things without understanding why they are the way they are makes people more apt to reject your "ideas" out of hand.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:03]] <vensa> I understand why it is that way<br />
[[jbocre: 19:03]] <vensa> I just thought since we already wrecked the {tel} series, who cares<br />
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <vensa> but Ill admit I would maybe prefer it another way<br />
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <labnytru> Mm...<br />
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <vensa> leave go'i<br />
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <labnytru> Have I ever mentioned how much I love this channel?<br />
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <@Broca> I'm pretty sure sel ter vel xel came after the rafsi of the gismu were assigned.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <labnytru> It is one of the intellectual wonders of the world.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <vensa> maybe just ADD {goi} to mean something to the extent of "unspecific bridi" (understandable from context)<br />
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <UukGoblin> labnytru, no, but yuo mentioned you have infinite amounts of money, or something like that ;-]<br />
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <vensa> just like we have {do'i}<br />
[[jbocre: 19:05]] <vensa> and give today's {goi} some other long cmavo<br />
[[jbocre: 19:05]] <vensa> that way, we could have the best of both worlds<br />
[[jbocre: 19:05]] <vensa> + we'll gain a bridi versio of {do'i} wich is missing IMO<br />
[[jbocre: 19:05]] <@xalbo> Except that we lose {goi}, which is handy.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> xalbo: you dont lose it<br />
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <ksion> zo co'e djica lonu tavla do doi la vensa<br />
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> define it some other CV'VV cmavo<br />
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <@Broca> vensa: you do know that we already have a word for “unspecified bridi”?<br />
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> ohhhh<br />
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> oops<br />
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> yeah. I was told that before actually<br />
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> co'e<br />
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> sorry<br />
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <vensa> so, can I answer a {xu} question by saying {co'e}?<br />
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <labnytru> One day, I'm going to write up a description of Lojbanistan as a physical country...the natural beauty of humankind's intellectual apex will be unsurpassed.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <labnytru> It'll be like...language and mathematical allegories and shit.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <vensa> valsi do'i<br />
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <@xalbo> You can. But it could mean either {go'i} or {na go'i}.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <valsi> do'i = pro-sumti: elliptical/unspecified utterance variable.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <UukGoblin> labnytru, define 'one day'<br />
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <vensa> hmm... then I want a cmavo for "unspecific BUT ALSO *previously uttered*"<br />
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <selpa`i> Answering {co'e} is like saying "whatever I dont care, fuck off"<br />
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <labnytru> After I learn the language completely and finish my first book, "Cleft: The Epic of Rend'ii".<br />
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <@xalbo> it is written, go no to the jbopre for counsel, for they will say both {go'i} and {na go'i}, as well as {go'i na'i}, {na'e go'i}, {to'e go'i}, and {mi gletu lo mamta be do}<br />
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <vensa> that way {co'e} cant be {na go'i} becuz noone uttered the negation of the bridi in question. understand?<br />
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <vensa> .u'i<br />
[[jbocre: 19:09]] <ksion> xa'a'a<br />
[[jbocre: 19:09]] <UukGoblin> labnytru, might take a while then ;-]<br />
[[jbocre: 19:09]] <labnytru> Indeed.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:09]] <ksion> doi la xalbo zo co'e se smuni la'e lu mi gletu lo mamta be do li'u va'o lonu la kribacr vi zvati kei po'o<br />
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <vensa> .u'i<br />
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <@Broca> vensa: you want something that is unspecified wrt go'a and go'u?<br />
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <vensa> broca: yes. but add {go'e} and {go'i}<br />
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <@xalbo> mi gletu cei broda lo mamta be do<br />
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <kribacr> .i broda<br />
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <kribacr> .i si'a broda<br />
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <kribacr> .i pu broda<br />
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <kribacr> .i ba'o broda<br />
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <vensa> something that is one of the {go'a go'e go'i go'u}<br />
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <@xalbo> (Now I'm gong to snicker every time someone uses {broda} without redefining, until I forget again)<br />
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <kribacr> .u'i<br />
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <vensa> and give it the cmavo {goi}<br />
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <vensa> I think that would be beautiful AND coherent<br />
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <@xalbo> vensa: Why in the name of fuck do you believe this word is more important than {goi}?<br />
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <@Broca> Whoa, that is a very specific level of unspecificness.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <vensa> kribacr: do you hear a ding when someone says {kribacr} or {gletu}?<br />
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <kribacr> haha<br />
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <@xalbo> vensa: Actually, he just highlights on {mamta}<br />
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <kribacr> kribacr yes.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <labnytru> Shoot.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <labnytru> I was going to make a fancy speech, but then I realized that I shouldn't do that here without speaking in Lojban.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <vensa> xalbo: becuz it would allow we to answer {xu} questions (something that happens MORE OFTEN than using {goi}) with a single syllable AND not break the GOhA pattern<br />
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <kribacr> I'm using the webchat at work because I'm lazy. It only highlights on my name.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <labnytru> It would be shameful to say it in English.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:13]] <@Broca> xalbo: because he wants natlang “yeah”, and doesn't care about “henceforth referred to as”.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:13]] <vensa> exactly! :)<br />
[[jbocre: 19:13]] <ksion> ko pilno zo ie<br />
[[jbocre: 19:13]] <vensa> broca: I still care about "henceforth refered to as" enough to give it a different cmavo<br />
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <vensa> ksion: I was told that once<br />
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <vensa> but it's not exactly the same thing<br />
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <ksion> ke'u ko pilno zo ie<br />
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <ksion> Close enough for someone who wants to redefine {go'i} ;P<br />
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <@xalbo> You have already used more syllables in this conversation than you will saying {ja'a go'i} for the rest of your life.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <vensa> .u'isai<br />
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <selpa`i> haha<br />
[[jbocre: 19:15]] <labnytru> In Lojbanistan, everyone looks like Nu Mou from Final Fantasy Tactics A & A2.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:15]] * ksion shudders at though that vensa might realise about {na go'i} having - shock! horror! - TWO more syllabes than "no".<br />
[[jbocre: 19:15]] <vensa> If that's your last remaining argument, I will count this as a victory :)<br />
[[jbocre: 19:15]] <ksion> .y. mi pu da'i bilga lonu smaji<br />
[[jbocre: 19:16]] <vensa> ksion: I'm thinking of replacing {nago'i} with {noi} jk<br />
[[jbocre: 19:16]] <ksion> .ii.u'i<br />
[[jbocre: 19:16]] <labnytru> We all wear really comfortable robes and live in the natural beauty of Lojbanistan, using optimized systems theory technology to provide all of life's necessities without money.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:16]] <@xalbo> vensa: You can count it as whatever you like. That will only increment the number of things you are wrong about, which is a small percent error.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:17]] <labnytru> Free love, free land, free minds...<br />
[[jbocre: 19:17]] <labnytru> Free life.<br />
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[[jbocre: 19:17]] <vensa> .u'i{CODE}</div>Gleki