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{CODE(wrap="1]][[jbocre: 19:01]] <ksion> No but seriously: your suggestion about {go'i} is one of dumbest Lojban ideas I've ever heard, and that's something ;P
==  Proposed Definitions And Examples ==
[[jbocre: 19:02]] <vensa> :) it comes from my laziness and wanting to be able to answer "yes" as shortly as possible
 
[[jbocre: 19:02]] <vensa> like the teenagers who shorten "yes" to "ye"
===  Proposed Definition of ''re'e'' ===
[[jbocre: 19:02]] <vensa> *yeh"
 
[[jbocre: 19:03]] <@xalbo> In seriousness, it's that sort of thing that gives tinkering a bad name. "{goi} is shorter than {go'i}, so we should change it." "That breaks the sequence." "What sequence?"
;'''re'e''' (UI4): Emotion category/modifier: spiritual.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards the spiritual / religious / numinous / supernatural. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker. (cf. lijda, pruxi)
[[jbocre: 19:03]] <@xalbo> Wanting to change things without understanding why they are the way they are makes people more apt to reject your "ideas" out of hand.
 
[[jbocre: 19:03]] <vensa> I understand why it is that way
** Keywords: spiritual, religious
[[jbocre: 19:03]] <vensa> I just thought since we already wrecked the {tel} series, who cares
 
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <vensa> but Ill admit I would maybe prefer it another way
===  Examples of ''re'e'' Usage ===
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <labnytru> Mm...
 
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <vensa> leave go'i
ki'e lojbot do pairnu'i io re'e<br />
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <labnytru> Have I ever mentioned how much I love this channel?
 
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <@Broca> I'm pretty sure sel ter vel xel came after the rafsi of the gismu were assigned.
''Thank you, Lojbot. You are fair and just.''
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <labnytru> It is one of the intellectual wonders of the world.
 
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <vensa> maybe just ADD {goi} to mean something to the extent of "unspecific bridi" (understandable from context)
===  Proposed Definition of ''re'e cu'i'' ===
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <UukGoblin> labnytru, no, but yuo mentioned you have infinite amounts of money, or something like that ;-]
 
[[jbocre: 19:04]] <vensa> just like we have {do'i}
;'''re'e cu'i''' (UI*4):  Emotion category/modifier: secular.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards the spiritual / religious / numinous / supernatural, and is therefore secular in nature. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
[[jbocre: 19:05]] <vensa> and give today's {goi} some other long cmavo
 
[[jbocre: 19:05]] <vensa> that way, we could have the best of both worlds
** Keywords: secular
[[jbocre: 19:05]] <vensa> + we'll gain a bridi versio of {do'i} wich is missing IMO
 
[[jbocre: 19:05]] <@xalbo> Except that we lose {goi}, which is handy.
===  Examples of ''re'e cu'i'' Usage ===
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> xalbo: you dont lose it
 
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <ksion> zo co'e djica lonu tavla do doi la vensa
<br />artificial:
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> define it some other CV'VV cmavo
 
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <@Broca> vensa: you do know that we already have a word for “unspecified bridi”?
<br />A: ni'o .uisai re'ecu'i lo bavlamdei ku detri lo xisyjbenunsla
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> ohhhh
 
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> oops
<br />B: .i do na xriso .i ki'u ma do gleki tu'a lo xisyjbenunsla
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> yeah. I was told that before actually
 
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> co'e
<br />A: .i mi nelci lo nu terdu'a lo seldu'a .aucai
[[jbocre: 19:06]] <vensa> sorry
 
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <vensa> so, can I answer a {xu} question by saying {co'e}?
<br />B: .i do bebna vau .oise'inai
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <labnytru> One day, I'm going to write up a description of Lojbanistan as a physical country...the natural beauty of humankind's intellectual apex will be unsurpassed.
 
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <labnytru> It'll be like...language and mathematical allegories and shit.
<br />''A: Well, hooray! Tomorrow is Christmas!
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <vensa> valsi do'i
 
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <@xalbo> You can. But it could mean either {go'i} or {na go'i}.
<br />B: But you're not Christian. Why are you happy about Christmas?
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <valsi> do'i = pro-sumti: elliptical/unspecified utterance variable.
 
[[jbocre: 19:07]] <UukGoblin> labnytru, define 'one day'
<br />A: I enjoy observing the feast!
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <vensa> hmm... then I want a cmavo for "unspecific BUT ALSO *previously uttered*"
 
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <selpa`i> Answering {co'e} is like saying "whatever I dont care, fuck off"
<br />B: Now you're being silly!''
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <labnytru> After I learn the language completely and finish my first book, "Cleft: The Epic of Rend'ii".
 
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <@xalbo> it is written, go no to the jbopre for counsel, for they will say both {go'i} and {na go'i}, as well as {go'i na'i}, {na'e go'i}, {to'e go'i}, and {mi gletu lo mamta be do}
===  Proposed Definition of ''re'e nai'' ===
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <vensa> that way {co'e} cant be {na go'i} becuz noone uttered the negation of the bridi in question. understand?
 
[[jbocre: 19:08]] <vensa> .u'i
;'''re'e nai''' (UI*4): Emotion category/modifier: sacrilegious.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from the spiritual / religious / numinous / supernatural, into active sacrilege. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
[[jbocre: 19:09]] <ksion> xa'a'a
 
[[jbocre: 19:09]] <UukGoblin> labnytru, might take a while then ;-]
** Keywords: sacrilegious
[[jbocre: 19:09]] <labnytru> Indeed.
 
[[jbocre: 19:09]] <ksion> doi la xalbo zo co'e se smuni la'e lu mi gletu lo mamta be do li'u va'o lonu la kribacr vi zvati kei po'o
===  Examples of ''re'e nai'' Usage ===
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <vensa> .u'i
 
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <@Broca> vensa: you want something that is unspecified wrt go'a and go'u?
no cevni cu zasti re'enai<br />
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <vensa> broca: yes. but add {go'e} and {go'i}
 
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <@xalbo> mi gletu cei broda lo mamta be do
''There is no god.''<br />
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <kribacr> .i broda
 
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <kribacr> .i si'a broda
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'a'' ===
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <kribacr> .i pu broda
 
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <kribacr> .i ba'o broda
;'''ro'a''' (UI4): Emotion category/modifier: social.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards the speaker's interaction with society.  Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.  (cf. jikca)
[[jbocre: 19:10]] <vensa> something that is one of the {go'a go'e go'i go'u}
 
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <@xalbo> (Now I'm gong to snicker every time someone uses {broda} without redefining, until I forget again)
** Keywords: social
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <kribacr> .u'i
 
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <vensa> and give it the cmavo {goi}
===  Examples of ''ro'a'' Usage ===
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <vensa> I think that would be beautiful AND coherent
 
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <@xalbo> vensa: Why in the name of fuck do you believe this word is more important than {goi}?
.oi ro'a ba'e ca ku mi se cfipu po'o to srana la .vei,on. toi (slight edit)<br />
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <@Broca> Whoa, that is a very specific level of unspecificness.
 
[[jbocre: 19:11]] <vensa> kribacr: do you hear a ding when someone says {kribacr} or {gletu}?
''Awkwarrrd. ''Now'' I'm just confused! (pertaining to Veijo)"
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <kribacr> haha
 
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <@xalbo> vensa: Actually, he just highlights on {mamta}
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'a cu'i'' ===
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <kribacr> kribacr yes.
 
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <labnytru> Shoot.
;'''ro'a cu'i''' (UI*4): Emotion category/modifier: asocial.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards the speaker's interaction with society.  Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.  
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <labnytru> I was going to make a fancy speech, but then I realized that I shouldn't do that here without speaking in Lojban.
 
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <vensa> xalbo: becuz it would allow we to answer {xu} questions (something that happens MORE OFTEN than using {goi}) with a single syllable AND not break the GOhA pattern
** Keywords: asocial
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <kribacr> I'm using the webchat at work because I'm lazy. It only highlights on my name.
 
[[jbocre: 19:12]] <labnytru> It would be shameful to say it in English.
===  Examples of ''ro'a cu'i'' Usage ===
[[jbocre: 19:13]] <@Broca> xalbo: because he wants natlang “yeah”, and doesn't care about “henceforth referred to as”.
 
[[jbocre: 19:13]] <vensa> exactly! :)
artificial:<br />
[[jbocre: 19:13]] <ksion> ko pilno zo ie
 
[[jbocre: 19:13]] <vensa> broca: I still care about "henceforth refered to as" enough to give it a different cmavo
ni'o .ui ro'a cu'i mi cikre le mi skami<br />
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <vensa> ksion: I was told that once
 
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <vensa> but it's not exactly the same thing
''I'm just puttering here by myself, fixing my computer.''
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <ksion> ke'u ko pilno zo ie
 
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <ksion> Close enough for someone who wants to redefine {go'i} ;P
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'a nai'' ===
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <@xalbo> You have already used more syllables in this conversation than you will saying {ja'a go'i} for the rest of your life.
 
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <vensa> .u'isai
;'''ro'a nai''' (UI*4): Emotion category/modifier: antisocial. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from the speaker's interaction with society, towards the speaker's isolation from society. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
[[jbocre: 19:14]] <selpa`i> haha
 
[[jbocre: 19:15]] <labnytru> In Lojbanistan, everyone looks like Nu Mou from Final Fantasy Tactics A & A2.
** Keywords: antisocial
[[jbocre: 19:15]]  * ksion shudders at though that vensa might realise about {na go'i} having - shock! horror! - TWO more syllabes than "no".
 
[[jbocre: 19:15]] <vensa> If that's your last remaining argument, I will count this as a victory :)
===  Examples of ''ro'a nai'' Usage ===
[[jbocre: 19:15]] <ksion> .y. mi pu da'i bilga lonu smaji
 
[[jbocre: 19:16]] <vensa> ksion: I'm thinking of replacing {nago'i} with {noi} jk
artificial:<br />
[[jbocre: 19:16]] <ksion> .ii.u'i
 
[[jbocre: 19:16]] <labnytru> We all wear really comfortable robes and live in the natural beauty of Lojbanistan, using optimized systems theory technology to provide all of life's necessities without money.
ni'o .ui nai ro'a nai mi mo'u zbasu le mi selkei no'u la .gandam.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:16]] <@xalbo> vensa: You can count it as whatever you like. That will only increment the number of things you are wrong about, which is a small percent error.
 
[[jbocre: 19:17]] <labnytru> Free love, free land, free minds...
I finished building my Gundam model. I feel so lonely.<br />
[[jbocre: 19:17]] <labnytru> Free life.
 
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===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'e'' ===
[[jbocre: 19:17]] <vensa> .u'i{CODE}
 
;'''ro'e''' (UI4): Emotion category/modifier: mental. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards the mental / intellectual / thoughtful / contemplative. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker. (cf. menli, pensi, xanri)
 
** Keywords: mental
 
===  Examples of ''ro'e'' Usage ===
 
.i .oi ro'e mu'i ma pau nai lo nu tavla cusku zo galxe cu mutce nandu fi lo nu galxe bilma <br />
 
''Stupid brain! Why is saying "galxe" so very difficult with a sore throat?"<br />
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'e cu'i'' ===
 
;'''ro'e cu'i''' (UI*4): Emotion category/modifier: non-mental.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards the mental / intellectual / thoughtful / contemplative.  Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
 
** Keywords: non-mental
 
===  Examples of ''ro'e cu'i'' Usage ===
 
artificial:<br />
 
.a'i ro'e cu'i mi snada
 
<br /> ''I did it, through much hard work, though it took but little thought.''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'e nai'' ===
 
;'''ro'e nai''' (UI*4):  Emotion category/modifier: mindless. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from the mental / intellectual / thoughtful / contemplative, and towards mindless action. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.  
 
** Keywords: mindless
 
===  Examples of ''ro'e nai'' Usage ===
 
le'o ro'e nai catra ko
 
<br />''Die!''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'i'' ===
 
;'''ro'i''' (UI4): Emotion category/modifier: emotional.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards the speaker's feelings / emotions. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.  (cf. cinmo)
 
** Keywords: emotional
 
===  Examples of ''ro'i'' Usage ===
 
oi cai ro'i mi mutce caucni<br />
 
''I am so lonely I think I'm going to cry.''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'i cu'i'' ===
 
;'''ro'i cu'i''' (UI4):  Emotion category/modifier: non-emotional. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards the speaker's feelings / emotions. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.  
 
** Keywords: non-emotional
 
===  Examples of ''ro'i cu'i'' Usage ===
 
.i xu do kanro vau ro'i cu'i<br />
 
''How do you do.''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'i nai'' ===
 
;'''ro'i nai''' (UI4): Emotion category/modifier: unemotional. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from the speaker's feelings / emotions. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.  
 
** Keywords: unemotional, emotionless
 
===  Examples of ''ro'i nai'' Usage ===
 
.i mi na jinvi ro'i nai<br />
 
"I don't care that I don't have an opinion."
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'o'' ===
 
;'''ro'o''' (UI4):  Emotion category/modifier: physical.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards the physical, which can include the speaker's own body, but also the physical surroundings. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker. (cf. dacti)
 
** Keywords: physical
 
===  Examples of ''ro'o'' Usage ===
 
.oi nai ro'o le cidja cu kukte
 
<br />''Yum, this food is delicious!''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'o cu'i'' ===
 
;'''ro'o cu'i''' (UI*4):  Emotion category/modifier: non-physical.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards the physical, which can include the speaker's own body, but also the physical surroundings. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
 
** Keywords: non-physical
 
===  Examples of ''ro'o cu'i'' Usage ===
 
.ii ro'o cu'i le cidja cu mutce kukte .i ku'i lo nu ri kargu cu terpa mi
 
<br />''Gulp! The food is delicious, but I'm afraid of how expensive it's going to be.''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'o nai'' ===
 
;'''ro'o nai''' (UI*4):  Emotion category/modifier: XXXXXX.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from the physical, which can include the speaker's own body, but also the physical surroundings.
 
** Keywords:
 
===  Examples of ''ro'o nai'' Usage ===
 
ro'o nai dai do ka'e sutra zenba .i ko lo du'u go'i cu jinvi po'o na gi'e ba'e djuno
 
<br />''You're faster than this.  Don't just think you are, know you are.''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'u'' ===
 
;'''ro'u''' (UI4):  Emotion category/modifier: sexual.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards sexuality. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker. (cf. cinse)
 
** Keywords: sexual
 
===  Examples of ''ro'u'' Usage ===
 
melbi ro'u
 
<br />''Damn, she's HOT!''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'u cu'i'' ===
 
;'''ro'u cu'i''' (UI*4):  Emotion category/modifier: asexual.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards sexuality.  Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
 
** Keywords: asexual
 
===  Examples of ''ro'u cu'i'' Usage ===
 
.iu ro'o cu'i
 
<br />''I love you, there's just no spark.''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''ro'u nai'' ===
 
;'''ro'u nai''' (UI*4):  Emotion category/modifier: XXXXXX.  Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from sexuality. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
 
** Keywords:
 
===  Examles of ''ro'u nai'' Usage ===
 
.iu ro'o nai
 
<br />''I love you like a brother.''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''bu'o'' ===
 
;'''bu'o''' (UI7): Start emotion.  Used to indicate that the state refered to by the preceding attitudinal is just begining. 
 
** Keywords: start emotion
 
===  Examples of ''bu'o'' Usage ===
 
.ui bu'o do tolcliva
 
<br />''I'm happy now that you've arrived.''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''bu'o cu'i'' ===
 
;'''bu'o cu'i''' (UI*7): Continuing emotion.  Used to indicate that the state refered to by the preceding attitudinal is ongoing (i.e., not presently begining or ending). 
 
** Keywords: Continuing emotion
 
===  Examples of ''bu'o cu'i'' Usage ===
 
.ue bu'o cu'i do ji'a xu co'e doi brutus
 
<br />''Et tu, Brute''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''bu'o nai'' ===
 
;'''bu'o nai''' (UI*7): End emotion.  Used to indicate that the state refered to by the preceding attitudinal is now ending. 
 
** Keywords: End emotion
 
===  Examples of ''bu'o nai'' Usage ===
 
.iu bu'onai .uinai
 
<br />''I don't love you any more; I'm sad.''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''fu'e'' ===
 
;''fu'e'' (FUhE): Begin indicator scope.  Normally, an attitudinal applies to the preceding word or construct.  ''fu'e'' and ''fu'o'' together mark the begining and end (respectively) of an alternate scope that can have attitudinals applied to it.  Such attitudinals appear after the ''fu'e'' or ''fu'o'' and apply to the entire text surrounded by them (which can cut across other structural bounds, or be smaller than other constructs).  ''fu'e'' and ''fu'o'' constructs can be nested.  A ''fu'e'' without a corresponding ''fu'o'' applies until the end of  text (or utterence).  A ''fu'o'' without a corresponding ''fu'e'' applies retroactively back to the beginning of text.
 
** Keywords: Begin indicator scope
 
===  Examples of ''fu'e'' Usage ===
 
mi viska le fu'e .ia blanu zdani fu'o ponse
 
<br />''I see the owner of what I believe to be a blue house.''
 
.i fu'e po'o lo za'i prami .e lo za'i gleki fu'o cu se cinmo lo se gugde be la
 
skatygug .i lo za'i xebni .e lo za'i .i'o zei nai zei cinmo zo'u to'e slabu .i
 
ba'e to'e slabu
 
<br />''There is only love and happiness in Scatland. Hatred and resentment? Well that's unheard of. It's unheard of.''
 
===  Proposed Definition of ''fu'o'' ===
 
;'''fu'o''' (FUhO): End indicator scope.  Normally, an attitudinal applies to the preceding word or construct.  ''fu'e'' and ''fu'o'' together mark the begining and end (respectively) of an alternate scope that can have attitudinals applied to it.  Such attitudinals appear after the ''fu'e'' or ''fu'o'' and apply to the entire text surrounded by them (which can cut across other structural bounds, or be smaller than other constructs).  ''fu'e'' and ''fu'o'' constructs can be nested.  A ''fu'e'' without a corresponding ''fu'o'' applies until the end of text (or utterence).  A ''fu'o'' without a corresponding ''fu'e'' applies retroactively back to the beginning of text.
 
** Keywords: End indicator scope
 
===  Examples of ''fu'o'' Usage ===
 
See examples under ''fu'e''
 
==  Notes ==
 
I've tried to make '''re'e''', '''ro'a''', '''ro'e''', '''ro'i''', '''ro'o''', and '''ro'u''' consistent with regard to how their negative and neutral forms work. In all cases, the '''cu'i''' form is almost like a '''na'e''', that is, the emotion is said to apply to a different aspect.  The '''nai''' form acts like '''to'e''', being the opposite of the unnegated form.  Some of them still need keywords, as the old keywords like "denying emotion" don't apply (there's no emotion to deny). 
 
* ''UI4'' should be ''CAI''. ''UI'' doesn't modify ''UI'', ''CAI'' does. — donri
 
==  Impact ==
 
Negated UI4 may have shifted meanings slightly.  The book doesn't really specify what they mean when applied to an attitudinal (instead of just used alone), so they haven't seen much use.  Consequently, there isn't much old
 
usage to invalidate.
 
Added the ability to nest '''fu'e''' and '''fu'o''', and semantics for what happens if they are unbalanced.  Also added the ability to attach an attitudinal to '''fu'o''' (which isn't mentioned in the book).  None of these should alter previous usage, only add new possible uses.
 
==  Poll ==
 
{POLL(pollId=>29)}BPFK Poll: Attudinal Specifiers{POLL}

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Proposed Definitions And Examples

Proposed Definition of re'e

re'e (UI4)
Emotion category/modifier: spiritual. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards the spiritual / religious / numinous / supernatural. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker. (cf. lijda, pruxi)
    • Keywords: spiritual, religious

Examples of re'e Usage

ki'e lojbot do pairnu'i io re'e

Thank you, Lojbot. You are fair and just.

Proposed Definition of re'e cu'i

re'e cu'i (UI*4)
Emotion category/modifier: secular. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards the spiritual / religious / numinous / supernatural, and is therefore secular in nature. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
    • Keywords: secular

Examples of re'e cu'i Usage


artificial:


A: ni'o .uisai re'ecu'i lo bavlamdei ku detri lo xisyjbenunsla


B: .i do na xriso .i ki'u ma do gleki tu'a lo xisyjbenunsla


A: .i mi nelci lo nu terdu'a lo seldu'a .aucai


B: .i do bebna vau .oise'inai


A: Well, hooray! Tomorrow is Christmas!


B: But you're not Christian. Why are you happy about Christmas?


A: I enjoy observing the feast!


B: Now you're being silly!

Proposed Definition of re'e nai

re'e nai (UI*4)
Emotion category/modifier: sacrilegious. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from the spiritual / religious / numinous / supernatural, into active sacrilege. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
    • Keywords: sacrilegious

Examples of re'e nai Usage

no cevni cu zasti re'enai

There is no god.

Proposed Definition of ro'a

ro'a (UI4)
Emotion category/modifier: social. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards the speaker's interaction with society. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker. (cf. jikca)
    • Keywords: social

Examples of ro'a Usage

.oi ro'a ba'e ca ku mi se cfipu po'o to srana la .vei,on. toi (slight edit)

Awkwarrrd. Now I'm just confused! (pertaining to Veijo)"

Proposed Definition of ro'a cu'i

ro'a cu'i (UI*4)
Emotion category/modifier: asocial. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards the speaker's interaction with society. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
    • Keywords: asocial

Examples of ro'a cu'i Usage

artificial:

ni'o .ui ro'a cu'i mi cikre le mi skami

I'm just puttering here by myself, fixing my computer.

Proposed Definition of ro'a nai

ro'a nai (UI*4)
Emotion category/modifier: antisocial. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from the speaker's interaction with society, towards the speaker's isolation from society. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
    • Keywords: antisocial

Examples of ro'a nai Usage

artificial:

ni'o .ui nai ro'a nai mi mo'u zbasu le mi selkei no'u la .gandam.

I finished building my Gundam model. I feel so lonely.

Proposed Definition of ro'e

ro'e (UI4)
Emotion category/modifier: mental. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards the mental / intellectual / thoughtful / contemplative. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker. (cf. menli, pensi, xanri)
    • Keywords: mental

Examples of ro'e Usage

.i .oi ro'e mu'i ma pau nai lo nu tavla cusku zo galxe cu mutce nandu fi lo nu galxe bilma

Stupid brain! Why is saying "galxe" so very difficult with a sore throat?"

Proposed Definition of ro'e cu'i

ro'e cu'i (UI*4)
Emotion category/modifier: non-mental. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards the mental / intellectual / thoughtful / contemplative. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
    • Keywords: non-mental

Examples of ro'e cu'i Usage

artificial:

.a'i ro'e cu'i mi snada


I did it, through much hard work, though it took but little thought.

Proposed Definition of ro'e nai

ro'e nai (UI*4)
Emotion category/modifier: mindless. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from the mental / intellectual / thoughtful / contemplative, and towards mindless action. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
    • Keywords: mindless

Examples of ro'e nai Usage

le'o ro'e nai catra ko


Die!

Proposed Definition of ro'i

ro'i (UI4)
Emotion category/modifier: emotional. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards the speaker's feelings / emotions. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker. (cf. cinmo)
    • Keywords: emotional

Examples of ro'i Usage

oi cai ro'i mi mutce caucni

I am so lonely I think I'm going to cry.

Proposed Definition of ro'i cu'i

ro'i cu'i (UI4)
Emotion category/modifier: non-emotional. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards the speaker's feelings / emotions. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
    • Keywords: non-emotional

Examples of ro'i cu'i Usage

.i xu do kanro vau ro'i cu'i

How do you do.

Proposed Definition of ro'i nai

ro'i nai (UI4)
Emotion category/modifier: unemotional. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from the speaker's feelings / emotions. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
    • Keywords: unemotional, emotionless

Examples of ro'i nai Usage

.i mi na jinvi ro'i nai

"I don't care that I don't have an opinion."

Proposed Definition of ro'o

ro'o (UI4)
Emotion category/modifier: physical. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards the physical, which can include the speaker's own body, but also the physical surroundings. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker. (cf. dacti)
    • Keywords: physical

Examples of ro'o Usage

.oi nai ro'o le cidja cu kukte


Yum, this food is delicious!

Proposed Definition of ro'o cu'i

ro'o cu'i (UI*4)
Emotion category/modifier: non-physical. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards the physical, which can include the speaker's own body, but also the physical surroundings. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
    • Keywords: non-physical

Examples of ro'o cu'i Usage

.ii ro'o cu'i le cidja cu mutce kukte .i ku'i lo nu ri kargu cu terpa mi


Gulp! The food is delicious, but I'm afraid of how expensive it's going to be.

Proposed Definition of ro'o nai

ro'o nai (UI*4)
Emotion category/modifier: XXXXXX. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from the physical, which can include the speaker's own body, but also the physical surroundings.
    • Keywords:

Examples of ro'o nai Usage

ro'o nai dai do ka'e sutra zenba .i ko lo du'u go'i cu jinvi po'o na gi'e ba'e djuno


You're faster than this. Don't just think you are, know you are.

Proposed Definition of ro'u

ro'u (UI4)
Emotion category/modifier: sexual. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused towards sexuality. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker. (cf. cinse)
    • Keywords: sexual

Examples of ro'u Usage

melbi ro'u


Damn, she's HOT!

Proposed Definition of ro'u cu'i

ro'u cu'i (UI*4)
Emotion category/modifier: asexual. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is not focused towards sexuality. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
    • Keywords: asexual

Examples of ro'u cu'i Usage

.iu ro'o cu'i


I love you, there's just no spark.

Proposed Definition of ro'u nai

ro'u nai (UI*4)
Emotion category/modifier: XXXXXX. Indicates that the preceding attitudinal is focused away from sexuality. Used without an attitudinal to indicate focus of the speaker.
    • Keywords:

Examles of ro'u nai Usage

.iu ro'o nai


I love you like a brother.

Proposed Definition of bu'o

bu'o (UI7)
Start emotion. Used to indicate that the state refered to by the preceding attitudinal is just begining.
    • Keywords: start emotion

Examples of bu'o Usage

.ui bu'o do tolcliva


I'm happy now that you've arrived.

Proposed Definition of bu'o cu'i

bu'o cu'i (UI*7)
Continuing emotion. Used to indicate that the state refered to by the preceding attitudinal is ongoing (i.e., not presently begining or ending).
    • Keywords: Continuing emotion

Examples of bu'o cu'i Usage

.ue bu'o cu'i do ji'a xu co'e doi brutus


Et tu, Brute

Proposed Definition of bu'o nai

bu'o nai (UI*7)
End emotion. Used to indicate that the state refered to by the preceding attitudinal is now ending.
    • Keywords: End emotion

Examples of bu'o nai Usage

.iu bu'onai .uinai


I don't love you any more; I'm sad.

Proposed Definition of fu'e

fu'e (FUhE)
Begin indicator scope. Normally, an attitudinal applies to the preceding word or construct. fu'e and fu'o together mark the begining and end (respectively) of an alternate scope that can have attitudinals applied to it. Such attitudinals appear after the fu'e or fu'o and apply to the entire text surrounded by them (which can cut across other structural bounds, or be smaller than other constructs). fu'e and fu'o constructs can be nested. A fu'e without a corresponding fu'o applies until the end of text (or utterence). A fu'o without a corresponding fu'e applies retroactively back to the beginning of text.
    • Keywords: Begin indicator scope

Examples of fu'e Usage

mi viska le fu'e .ia blanu zdani fu'o ponse


I see the owner of what I believe to be a blue house.

.i fu'e po'o lo za'i prami .e lo za'i gleki fu'o cu se cinmo lo se gugde be la

skatygug .i lo za'i xebni .e lo za'i .i'o zei nai zei cinmo zo'u to'e slabu .i

ba'e to'e slabu


There is only love and happiness in Scatland. Hatred and resentment? Well that's unheard of. It's unheard of.

Proposed Definition of fu'o

fu'o (FUhO)
End indicator scope. Normally, an attitudinal applies to the preceding word or construct. fu'e and fu'o together mark the begining and end (respectively) of an alternate scope that can have attitudinals applied to it. Such attitudinals appear after the fu'e or fu'o and apply to the entire text surrounded by them (which can cut across other structural bounds, or be smaller than other constructs). fu'e and fu'o constructs can be nested. A fu'e without a corresponding fu'o applies until the end of text (or utterence). A fu'o without a corresponding fu'e applies retroactively back to the beginning of text.
    • Keywords: End indicator scope

Examples of fu'o Usage

See examples under fu'e

Notes

I've tried to make re'e, ro'a, ro'e, ro'i, ro'o, and ro'u consistent with regard to how their negative and neutral forms work. In all cases, the cu'i form is almost like a na'e, that is, the emotion is said to apply to a different aspect. The nai form acts like to'e, being the opposite of the unnegated form. Some of them still need keywords, as the old keywords like "denying emotion" don't apply (there's no emotion to deny).

  • UI4 should be CAI. UI doesn't modify UI, CAI does. — donri

Impact

Negated UI4 may have shifted meanings slightly. The book doesn't really specify what they mean when applied to an attitudinal (instead of just used alone), so they haven't seen much use. Consequently, there isn't much old

usage to invalidate.

Added the ability to nest fu'e and fu'o, and semantics for what happens if they are unbalanced. Also added the ability to attach an attitudinal to fu'o (which isn't mentioned in the book). None of these should alter previous usage, only add new possible uses.

Poll

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