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== Proposed Definitions of KOhA4, KOhA5, KOhA6 == | |||
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=== ko'a, ko'e, ko'i, ko'o, ko'u, fo'a, fo'e, fo'i, fo'o, fo'u (KOhA4) === | |||
==== Proposed definition ==== | |||
These are assignable pro-sumti. The referent of each word can be assigned using {goi}. | |||
==== Proposed keyword ==== | |||
* ko'a: it-1 | |||
* ko'e: it-2 | |||
* ko'i: it-3 | |||
* ko'o: it-4 | |||
* ko'u: it-5 | |||
* fo'a: it-6 | |||
* fo'e: it-7 | |||
* fo'i: it-8 | |||
* fo'o: it-9 | |||
* fo'u: it-10 | |||
==== Examples ==== | |||
;i le nanmu goi ko'a cu klama le zarci .i ko'a viska re nanmu goi ko'e joi ko'i .i ko'e joi ko'i ca casnu le jdima be le cipni :A man went to the market. He saw two men there. They were discussing the price of the birds. | |||
{BOX} | |||
=== vo'a, vo'e, vo'i, vo'o, vo'u (KOhA4) === | |||
==== Proposed definition ==== | |||
These are pro-sumti that refer to sumti in the outermost bridi of the sentence. Each of the series refers to a difference place<br /> | |||
vo'a - The x1 of this bridi.<br /> | |||
vo'e - The x2 of this bridi.<br /> | |||
vo'i - The x3 of this bridi.<br /> | |||
vo'o - The x4 of this bridi.<br /> | |||
vo'u - The x5 of this bridi.<br /> | |||
==== Proposed keywords ==== | |||
* vo'a: it-x1 | |||
* vo'e: it-x2 | |||
* vo'i: it-x3 | |||
* vo'o: it-x4 | |||
* vo'u: it-x5 | |||
==== Examples ==== | |||
;.i la risna noltruni'u cu zutse le vo'a nolstizu :The Queen of Hearts sat on her throne. | |||
==== Issues ==== | |||
The '''vo'a'''-series cmavo refer to the sumti of the ''outermost'' bridi of the sentence. (This was left unspecified in CLL, and decided by a significant majority of usage.) | |||
{BOX} | |||
=== ri, ra, ru (KOhA5) === | |||
==== Proposed definition ==== | |||
These pro-sumti repeat previous sumti in the sentence. ri repeats the previous sumti. ra repeats a recent, but usually not the previous, sumti. And ru repeats an earlier sumti, to be determined from context. | |||
==== Proposed keywords ==== | |||
* ri: last sumti | |||
* ra: recent sumti | |||
* ru: earlier sumti | |||
==== Examples ==== | |||
;.i ji'a la lutcezis zo'u ri na kakne le nu ficyju'o la ceris la amonti,ados :And as for Luchesi, he cannot distinguish Sherry from Amontillado. | |||
;.i ca lenu la gregor.samsas. co'a cikna gi'e co'u raktu senva vau ca lo cerni kei ra facki lenu ra vi le ckana ba'o binxo lo brabra cinki :As Gregor Samsa awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself in his bed transformed into a gigantic insect. | |||
;.i mi kucli ledu'u makau frica le xe fanva be ri le xe fanva be ru :I'm curious as to what differs from the translation of that and the translation of the thing you said a bit ago. | |||
{BOX} | |||
=== ti, ta, tu (KOhA6) === | |||
==== Proposed definition ==== | |||
These pro-sumti are demonstratives. They refer to objects in the real world. ti refers to an object near the speaker; "this here object". ta refers to an object near the listener, or if the listener is near the speaker it refers to an object a medium distance away; "that there object". tu refers to a distant object, or one far from both the speaker and the listener; "that yonder object". | |||
==== Proposed keywords ==== | |||
* ti: this here | |||
* ta: that there | |||
* tu: that yonder | |||
==== Examples ==== | |||
;ti joncku lei cafne preti be la lojban :This here is a collective FAQs of Lojban. | |||
;doi ksion go'i .i ta cnino traji :Hey Xion, yeah. That thing near you is the most new. | |||
;tu cukta lo pixra be lo nalgasnu ninmu :That over there is a book containing pictures of females not really doing anything. | |||
{BOX} | |||
== Bickerings == | |||
[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/0b207b268a238050 his] about ri/vo'a (+ soi) |
Revision as of 16:44, 4 November 2013
Proposed Definitions of KOhA4, KOhA5, KOhA6
ko'a, ko'e, ko'i, ko'o, ko'u, fo'a, fo'e, fo'i, fo'o, fo'u (KOhA4)
Proposed definition
These are assignable pro-sumti. The referent of each word can be assigned using {goi}.
Proposed keyword
- ko'a: it-1
- ko'e: it-2
- ko'i: it-3
- ko'o: it-4
- ko'u: it-5
- fo'a: it-6
- fo'e: it-7
- fo'i: it-8
- fo'o: it-9
- fo'u: it-10
Examples
- i le nanmu goi ko'a cu klama le zarci .i ko'a viska re nanmu goi ko'e joi ko'i .i ko'e joi ko'i ca casnu le jdima be le cipni
- A man went to the market. He saw two men there. They were discussing the price of the birds.
{BOX}
vo'a, vo'e, vo'i, vo'o, vo'u (KOhA4)
Proposed definition
These are pro-sumti that refer to sumti in the outermost bridi of the sentence. Each of the series refers to a difference place
vo'a - The x1 of this bridi.
vo'e - The x2 of this bridi.
vo'i - The x3 of this bridi.
vo'o - The x4 of this bridi.
vo'u - The x5 of this bridi.
Proposed keywords
- vo'a: it-x1
- vo'e: it-x2
- vo'i: it-x3
- vo'o: it-x4
- vo'u: it-x5
Examples
- .i la risna noltruni'u cu zutse le vo'a nolstizu
- The Queen of Hearts sat on her throne.
Issues
The vo'a-series cmavo refer to the sumti of the outermost bridi of the sentence. (This was left unspecified in CLL, and decided by a significant majority of usage.)
{BOX}
ri, ra, ru (KOhA5)
Proposed definition
These pro-sumti repeat previous sumti in the sentence. ri repeats the previous sumti. ra repeats a recent, but usually not the previous, sumti. And ru repeats an earlier sumti, to be determined from context.
Proposed keywords
- ri: last sumti
- ra: recent sumti
- ru: earlier sumti
Examples
- .i ji'a la lutcezis zo'u ri na kakne le nu ficyju'o la ceris la amonti,ados
- And as for Luchesi, he cannot distinguish Sherry from Amontillado.
- .i ca lenu la gregor.samsas. co'a cikna gi'e co'u raktu senva vau ca lo cerni kei ra facki lenu ra vi le ckana ba'o binxo lo brabra cinki
- As Gregor Samsa awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself in his bed transformed into a gigantic insect.
- .i mi kucli ledu'u makau frica le xe fanva be ri le xe fanva be ru
- I'm curious as to what differs from the translation of that and the translation of the thing you said a bit ago.
{BOX}
ti, ta, tu (KOhA6)
Proposed definition
These pro-sumti are demonstratives. They refer to objects in the real world. ti refers to an object near the speaker; "this here object". ta refers to an object near the listener, or if the listener is near the speaker it refers to an object a medium distance away; "that there object". tu refers to a distant object, or one far from both the speaker and the listener; "that yonder object".
Proposed keywords
- ti: this here
- ta: that there
- tu: that yonder
Examples
- ti joncku lei cafne preti be la lojban
- This here is a collective FAQs of Lojban.
- doi ksion go'i .i ta cnino traji
- Hey Xion, yeah. That thing near you is the most new.
- tu cukta lo pixra be lo nalgasnu ninmu
- That over there is a book containing pictures of females not really doing anything.
{BOX}
Bickerings
his about ri/vo'a (+ soi)