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== le junla zbasu (Tiki thread #5825) ==

=== Re: le junla zbasu ===
''adamgarrigus · 2006-06-20 00:28 UTC · Tiki post #5868 (reply to #5825)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Kudos! A fine &amp; inspiring translation indeed.

I found some typos &amp; a handful of other things I wanted to comment on. I'll split it into two posts, typos first.

Paragraph no. 2
^lo ko'a tutci jo'u tadji cu carmi '''ralji'''^
Looks like that should be {ralci}.

^i lo tcecmada'u po'u la niuton cu junla zbasu '''sarju''' gi'e '''dasri''' smadi lo du'u lo brabra poi bevri lo te gusni fu lo kumfa cu bilga lo nu muvdu ja'i lo junla nu muvdu^
Those should be {sarji} and {darsi}.


Paragraph no. 5
^i da'i lo '''zunla''' zbasu cu zasti^
That should be {junla}.

mi'e [[Adam Cooper|komfo,amonan]]</div>

=== Re: le junla zbasu ===
''adamgarrigus · 2006-06-20 01:42 UTC · Tiki post #5869 (reply to #5825)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">[http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Clockmaker]

Paragraph 1
^â€¦ the maid was careless and '''since a month''', the water stood unchanged.^
Looks like that phrase was left untranslated.

^i ca lo xa moi ke clani solnanca cu tolcanci fa ko'a goi lo tcecmada'u poi '''naldu'i''' se menli^
I'm not sure that {naldu'i} is sufficient to translate Stevenson's "unrivalled", which carries the connotation of "unrivalled and superior". Maybe {mutce zmadu}?

Paragraph 2
^i lo tcecmada'u po'u '''la niuton'''^
This seemed to me to say that the animalcule was named Newton, while I reckon Stevenson was using "Newton" as a metaphor for "premier scientist". This leads me to suggest something like {lo me la niuton tcecmada'u}.

Paragraph 3
^i no da mleca fi lo ka jetnu se jarco i no da mleca fi lo ka '''lakne'''^
It seems to me that if "proved" is {jetnu se jarco}, then "provable" is {jetnu se jarco se kakne}. Or something.

mi'e [[Adam Cooper|komfo,amonan]]</div>

=== le junla zbasu ===
''Anonymous · 2006-06-20 16:28 UTC · Tiki post #5870 (reply to #5825)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On 6/19/06, adamgarrigus &lt;wikidiscuss@lojban.org&gt; wrote:
&gt; Re: le junla zbasu
&gt; [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Clockmaker]
&gt;
&gt; Paragraph 1
&gt; ^ the maid was careless and '''since a month''', the water stood unchanged.^
&gt; Looks like that phrase was left untranslated.

Yes. The truth is I first translated it from a Spanish translation (I
did not have
the original at hand at the time), which did not include the "since a month",
and when I later did check with the original I could not easily fit it
in the Lojban
and decided to leave it out:

   lo lumci selfu na kurji gi'e na gasnu lo nu basti

The proper place for {ze'a lo masti} would be right before the {na}, but that's
ungrammatical. After {gasnu} it is grammatical but logically wrong.
So I had to change it to something like {gi'e gasnu ze'a lo masti na ku ...}
which I didn't like so I finally decided not to include it.

&gt; ^i ca lo xa moi ke clani solnanca cu tolcanci fa ko'a goi lo tcecmada'u poi '''naldu'i''' se menli^
&gt; I'm not sure that {naldu'i} is sufficient to translate Stevenson's "unrivalled", which carries the connotation of "unrivalled and superior". Maybe {mutce zmadu}?

I don't know, I think "unequal" in the relevant sense is enough.

&gt;
&gt; Paragraph 2
&gt; ^i lo tcecmada'u po'u '''la niuton'''^
&gt; This seemed to me to say that the animalcule was named Newton, while I reckon Stevenson was using "Newton" as a metaphor for "premier scientist". This leads me to suggest something like {lo me la niuton tcecmada'u}.

You're absolutely right. I was misled by the Spanish translation, which had
"el animalnculo Newton" instead of "el Newton animalnculo" which would
have been a much better match for the English. I should have noticed that
when I read the English, but I didn't. I'll change it as you suggest.


&gt; Paragraph 3
&gt; ^i no da mleca fi lo ka jetnu se jarco i no da mleca fi lo ka '''lakne'''^
&gt; It seems to me that if "proved" is {jetnu se jarco}, then "provable" is {jetnu se jarco se kakne}. Or something.

This one can again be blamed on the Spanish (Sp. "probable" can be either
"proveable" or "probable"), but this time I had noticed it and didn't change it
anyway, just because. I guess I will change it though.

ki'e sai mi'e xorxes</div>