https://mw.lojban.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Robin+Townsend&feedformat=atomLojban - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T13:54:46ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.38.4https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Template:Lojban_StackExchange&diff=124483Template:Lojban StackExchange2021-06-22T22:27:31Z<p>Robin Townsend: Update Matrix link</p>
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<p style="width: 100%; margin: 2px auto">Join our live chat (all linked by chat bridge bots):</p><p style="margin:0;font-size: 120%"><br />
[[File:Telegram-logo.svg|50px|link=https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsYz3hCF8mCAb6fzW1Rw|Telegram]]<br />
[[File:Slack icon 2019.svg|50px|link=https://join.slack.com/t/lojban/shared_invite/zt-k3s96tvq-4mtkvG0ZlW2rFIwTPb4rIg|Slack]]<br />
[[File:Discord-Logo-Color.svg|50px|link=https://discord.gg/BVm4EYR|Discord]]<br />
[[File:mattermost-icon.png|50px|link=https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw|Mattermost]]<br />
[[File:Matrix_icon.svg|50px|link=https://matrix.to/#/#lojban:libera.chat|Matrix]]<br />
</p><br />
<div style="text-align:center;font-size:80%;">Or join #lojban on Freenode IRC.</div><br />
<div style="margin-top:1em;text-align:center;font-size:80%;">Join [[Lojban Live Chat|channels for beginners and advanced users]].</div><br />
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</div></div>Robin Townsendhttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Lojban_Live_Chat&diff=124482Lojban Live Chat2021-06-22T22:24:50Z<p>Robin Townsend: Restore and update Matrix connection instructions</p>
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<div>{{se inspekte/en}}The Internet Relay Chat (aka IRC)<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC</ref> channel is a place for people to textually chat in real-time.<br />
==Connecting quickly==<br />
To get connected to Lojban chat use any of the following methods (your and others' messages will be available in all of them no matter which method you use).<br />
<br />
People involved in Lojban community usually read each day's backlog and will answer your questions within several hours and often even within minutes.<br />
<!--<br />
===Facebook messenger===<br />
Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since September 2018.<br />
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# Install the free [https://messenger.com Facebook messenger] app on your Apple, Android or your desktop device<br />
# join main Lojban chat groups by following these links:<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbYe-qKnVTDulmi5 lojban]</span> - talk in or about Lojban<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbYwBMXJh2d8FYOE ckule]</span> - ask questions arising while your study of Lojban<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbbkOHJdyXYlZg50 jbosnu]</span> - talk in Lojban only<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/Abaph5Ju2IprttSq jboselbau]</span> - for any offtopic discussions :)<br />
<br />
Other groups:<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbbCPCo4oa01N6Uy rusko]</span> - Lojban - Russian group<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbZqXW4zik9lwalA polsk]</span> - lojban - polska grupa (Lojban - Polish group)<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/Abb8p3uj6Tl_gbqa ponjbo]</span> - Lojban - Japanese group<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbborQymsoIgbkr6 tokpona]</span> - Lojban - Tokipona group<br />
--><br />
===Telegram===<br />
[[Image:Telegram logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since the beginning of 2016.<br />
<br />
# Install the free [https://telegram.org Telegram messenger] app on your Apple, Android or your desktop device<br />
# join main Lojban chat groups by following these links:<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsYz3hCF8mCAb6fzW1Rw lojban]</span> - talk in or about Lojban<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://telegram.me/joinchat/BLVsYz4hC9ulWahupDLovA ckule]</span> - ask questions arising while your study of Lojban<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://telegram.me/joinchat/BLVsYz20Boixl0xN-0TrPw jbosnu]</span> - talk in Lojban only<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://telegram.me/joinchat/CJYorT2ma6UVfhb9YThEqw jboselbau]</span> - for any offtopic discussions :)<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/IA5__x1TXTaLH2sKyOvMQg voknoi]</span> - for voice only messages in Lojban<br />
<br />
Other groups:<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY0srQSQCgg-dAXpChA rusko]</span> - Lojban - Russian group<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY0Zwl7cpY1WSDm_iTA polsk]</span> - lojban - polska grupa (Lojban - Polish group)<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY1CaPEK6UyBZmloTdg ponjbo]</span> - Lojban - Japanese group<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/tokpona tokpona]</span> - Lojban - Tokipona group<br />
<br />
===Mattermost ===<br />
Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since September 2018.<br />
<br />
Signup via [https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw Framateam's server].<br />
<br />
===Slack===<br />
[[Image:Slack Technologies Logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat for the last ~7 days or so.<br />
# Use <span class="plainlinks">[https://join.slack.com/t/lojban/shared_invite/zt-k3s96tvq-4mtkvG0ZlW2rFIwTPb4rIg the invite link]</span>.<br />
# Open <span class="plainlinks">http://lojban.slack.com</span><br />
# Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule channel, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban channel and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu channel.<br />
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===Discord===<br />
The chat is also connected to a [https://discord.gg/BVm4EYR Discord server]. <br />
# Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule channel, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban channel and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu channel.<br />
# Freely chat about anything to like-minded Lojbanists in the #jboselbau channel.<br />
<br />
===Matrix===<br />
[[Image:Matrix logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]You can connect to the chat natively from any Matrix server.<br />
* [https://matrix.to/#/#lojban:libera.chat #lojban:libera.chat] for discussions in any language,<br />
* [https://matrix.to/#/#ckule:libera.chat #ckule:libera.chat] for questions from new learners in any language, and<br />
* [https://matrix.to/#/#jbosnu:libera.chat #jbosnu:libera.chat] for discussions in Lojban only.<br />
<br />
===Direct web access===<br />
[[Image:IRC logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to see messages that are sent only while you are connected.<br />
#Navigate to <span class="plainlinks">[{{Webchat url qwebirc}} the web-based IRC client (Kiwi)]</span>, choose a nickname you want yourself to be known as, and click "Start". Easy! <br />
#Click on the channel you want (tabs on the top of the page), and type your text in the text bar at the bottom - the last line at the bottom of the chat page.<br />
#Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule tab, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban tab and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu tab.<br />
<br />
=== Trickier ways of connecting ===<br />
This is for geeks. If you have an IRC application installed use the following information:<br />
*The Lojban IRC channel is on the [http://libera.chat Libera IRC network]. Use '''irc.libera.chat''' for the server, port '''6667''' (or 6679 for an SSL-encrypted connection). Registering with NickServ is recommended.<br />
*The three channels are used:<br />
** [irc://irc.libera.chat/lojban #lojban] for basic discussions in any language,<br />
** [irc://irc.libera.chat/ckule #ckule] for questions from new learners in any language and <br />
** [irc://irc.libera.chat/jbosnu #jbosnu] for discussions in Lojban only.<br />
It is recommended, but by no means required, that you learn what IRC is by briefly reading some of the [http://www.mirc.com/ircintro.html IRC Frequently Asked Questions] or [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html The IRC Prelude].<br />
<br />
You may also use [https://irssi.org/ irssi command line app] on your server to keep the whole log of chat activity.<br />
<br />
== Conduct ==<br />
There are almost always more than 100 people connected, but since they live in different timezones most of the time, they'll be idle. Say '''coi''', hit Enter and wait. Get a soda. Practice your vocabulary. But be patient. Dedicated IRC'ers don't sit in front of the computer 24/7 waiting to respond within 10 seconds of everything said. Think of it as sort of a fast moving message board.<br />
<br />
You might also have a look at the [[IRC cheat sheet|IRC cheat sheet]], which contains a list of translations of frequently used expressions.<br />
<br />
==[[IRC Bots]]==<br />
<br />
== Rules ==<br />
Just behave and be respectful, don't intentionally try to annoy others. Don't worry though, usually you'll only annoy people if you're actively trying.<br />
== Logs ==<br />
There are [http://www.lojban.org/irclogs/ public logs of the utterances in Lojban of the IRC channel]<ref>Thanks to help from Theodore Reed and Jordan DeLong</ref>.<br />
<br />
The logs are filtered so that they contain only Lojban text. However, you might still be offended by the things discussed there. If you are, that's your problem and the [[LLG]] explicitly disclaims responsibility for anything said on the IRC channel, including by members or officers of the [[LLG]].<br />
<br />
Furthermore, no guarantee is made as to the correctness of the Lojban therein. Nonetheless, the IRC logs currently constitute one of the largest corpora of Lojban text.<br />
== Discussion Topics ==<br />
A list of interesting discussion topics, about the nature of the language, is being actively maintained and [[jboske discussion|copied]] into this wiki. They often include specific terminology. The discussions are presented as is, copied from the IRC channel.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /></div>Robin Townsendhttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Template:Lojban_StackExchange&diff=124087Template:Lojban StackExchange2020-08-16T21:05:45Z<p>Robin Townsend: .i da notci tcita le sinxa be la .meitriks.</p>
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<p style="width: 100%; margin: 2px auto">Join our live chat (all linked by chat bridge bots):</p><p style="margin:0;font-size: 120%"><br />
[[File:telegram-icon.png|50px|link=https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsYz3hCF8mCAb6fzW1Rw|Telegram]]<br />
[[File:Slack icon 2019.svg|50px|link=https://slaka.herokuapp.com|Slack]]<br />
[[File:discord-icon.png|50px|link=https://discord.gg/BVm4EYR|Discord]]<br />
[[File:mattermost-icon.png|50px|link=https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw|Mattermost]]<br />
[[File:Matrix_icon.svg|50px|link=https://matrix.to/#/+jbo:townsendandsmith.ml|Matrix]]<br />
</p><br />
<div style="text-align:center;font-size:80%;">Or join #lojban on Freenode IRC.</div><br />
<div style="margin-top:1em;text-align:center;font-size:80%;">Join [[Lojban Live Chat|channels for beginners and advanced users]].</div><br />
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</div></div>Robin Townsendhttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Lojban_Live_Chat&diff=124079Lojban Live Chat2020-08-13T02:52:59Z<p>Robin Townsend: .i basti fa le cnino fi le ka sinxa la .slak.</p>
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<div>{{se inspekte/en}}The Internet Relay Chat (aka IRC)<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC</ref> channel is a place for people to textually chat in real-time.<br />
==Connecting quickly==<br />
To get connected to Lojban chat use any of the following methods (your and others' messages will be available in all of them no matter which method you use).<br />
<br />
People involved in Lojban community usually read each day's backlog and will answer your questions within several hours and often even within minutes.<br />
<!--<br />
===Facebook messenger===<br />
Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since September 2018.<br />
<br />
# Install the free [https://messenger.com Facebook messenger] app on your Apple, Android or your desktop device<br />
# join main Lojban chat groups by following these links:<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbYe-qKnVTDulmi5 lojban]</span> - talk in or about Lojban<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbYwBMXJh2d8FYOE ckule]</span> - ask questions arising while your study of Lojban<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbbkOHJdyXYlZg50 jbosnu]</span> - talk in Lojban only<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/Abaph5Ju2IprttSq jboselbau]</span> - for any offtopic discussions :)<br />
<br />
Other groups:<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbbCPCo4oa01N6Uy rusko]</span> - Lojban - Russian group<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbZqXW4zik9lwalA polsk]</span> - lojban - polska grupa (Lojban - Polish group)<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/Abb8p3uj6Tl_gbqa ponjbo]</span> - Lojban - Japanese group<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://m.me/join/AbborQymsoIgbkr6 tokpona]</span> - Lojban - Tokipona group<br />
--><br />
===Telegram===<br />
[[Image:Telegram logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since the beginning of 2016.<br />
<br />
# Install the free [https://telegram.org Telegram messenger] app on your Apple, Android or your desktop device<br />
# join main Lojban chat groups by following these links:<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsYz3hCF8mCAb6fzW1Rw lojban]</span> - talk in or about Lojban<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://telegram.me/joinchat/BLVsYz4hC9ulWahupDLovA ckule]</span> - ask questions arising while your study of Lojban<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://telegram.me/joinchat/BLVsYz20Boixl0xN-0TrPw jbosnu]</span> - talk in Lojban only<br />
#*<span class="plainlinks">[https://telegram.me/joinchat/CJYorT2ma6UVfhb9YThEqw jboselbau]</span> - for any offtopic discussions :)<br />
<br />
Other groups:<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY0srQSQCgg-dAXpChA rusko]</span> - Lojban - Russian group<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY0Zwl7cpY1WSDm_iTA polsk]</span> - lojban - polska grupa (Lojban - Polish group)<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY1CaPEK6UyBZmloTdg ponjbo]</span> - Lojban - Japanese group<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[https://t.me/tokpona tokpona]</span> - Lojban - Tokipona group<br />
<br />
===Mattermost ===<br />
Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since September 2018.<br />
<br />
Signup via [https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw Framateam's server].<br />
<br />
===Slack===<br />
[[Image:Slack Technologies Logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat for the last ~7 days or so.<br />
# Open <span class="plainlinks">https://slaka.herokuapp.com</span> Submit your email and get an invite to <span class="plainlinks">http://lojban.slack.com</span> to your e-mail inbox.<br />
# Open <span class="plainlinks">http://lojban.slack.com</span><br />
# Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule channel, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban channel and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu channel.<br />
<br />
===Discord===<br />
The chat is also connected to a [https://discord.gg/BVm4EYR Discord server]. <br />
# Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule channel, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban channel and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu channel.<br />
# Freely chat about anything to like-minded Lojbanists in the #jboselbau channel.<br />
<br />
===Matrix===<br />
[[Image:Matrix logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]You can connect to the chat from any Matrix server using matrix.org's Freenode bridge.<br />
* [https://matrix.to/#/#freenode_#lojban:matrix.org #lojban] for discussions in any language,<br />
* [https://matrix.to/#/#freenode_#ckule:matrix.org #ckule] for questions from new learners in any language,<br />
* [https://matrix.to/#/#freenode_#jbosnu:matrix.org #jbosnu] for discussions in Lojban only, and<br />
* [https://matrix.to/#/#freenode_##jboselbau:matrix.org ##jboselbau] for discussions not necessarily related to Lojban.<br />
Note that in order to join #ckule, #jbosnu, or ##jboselbau, you must use a registered Freenode nick, which you can configure by messaging the [https://matrix.to/#/@appservice-irc:matrix.org matrix.org Freenode bridge].<br />
<br />
===Direct web access===<br />
[[Image:IRC logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to see messages that are sent only while you are connected.<br />
#Navigate to <span class="plainlinks">[{{Webchat url kiwi}} the web-based IRC client (Kiwi)]</span>, choose a nickname you want yourself to be known as, and click "Start". Easy! <br />
#Click on the channel you want (tabs on the top of the page), and type your text in the text bar at the bottom - the last line at the bottom of the chat page.<br />
#Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule tab, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban tab and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu tab.<br />
<br />
You may alternately try <span class="plainlinks">[{{Webchat url qwebirc}} another client (The Lounge)]</span>.<br />
<br />
=== Trickier ways of connecting ===<br />
This is for geeks. If you have an IRC application installed use the following information:<br />
*The Lojban IRC channel is on the [http://freenode.net Freenode IRC network]. Use '''irc.lojban.org''' or '''chat.freenode.net''' for the server, port '''6667''' (or 6679 for an SSL-encrypted connection). Registering with NickServ is recommended.<br />
*The three channels are used:<br />
** [irc://irc.freenode.net/lojban #lojban] for basic discussions in any language,<br />
** [irc://irc.freenode.net/ckule #ckule] for questions from new learners in any language and <br />
** [irc://irc.freenode.net/jbosnu #jbosnu] for discussions in Lojban only.<br />
It is recommended, but by no means required, that you learn what IRC is by briefly reading some of the [http://www.mirc.com/ircintro.html IRC Frequently Asked Questions] or [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html The IRC Prelude].<br />
<br />
You may also use [https://irssi.org/ irssi command line app] on your server to keep the whole log of chat activity.<br />
<br />
== Conduct ==<br />
There are almost always more than 100 people connected, but since they live in different timezones most of the time, they'll be idle. Say '''coi''', hit Enter and wait. Get a soda. Practice your vocabulary. But be patient. Dedicated IRC'ers don't sit in front of the computer 24/7 waiting to respond within 10 seconds of everything said. Think of it as sort of a fast moving message board.<br />
<br />
You might also have a look at the [[IRC cheat sheet|IRC cheat sheet]], which contains a list of translations of frequently used expressions.<br />
<br />
==[[IRC Bots]]==<br />
<br />
== Rules ==<br />
Just behave and be respectful, don't intentionally try to annoy others. Don't worry though, usually you'll only annoy people if you're actively trying.<br />
== Logs ==<br />
There are [http://www.lojban.org/irclogs/ public logs of the utterances in Lojban of the IRC channel]<ref>Thanks to help from Theodore Reed and Jordan DeLong</ref>.<br />
<br />
The logs are filtered so that they contain only Lojban text. However, you might still be offended by the things discussed there. If you are, that's your problem and the [[LLG]] explicitly disclaims responsibility for anything said on the IRC channel, including by members or officers of the [[LLG]].<br />
<br />
Furthermore, no guarantee is made as to the correctness of the Lojban therein. Nonetheless, the IRC logs currently constitute one of the largest corpora of Lojban text.<br />
== Discussion Topics ==<br />
A list of interesting discussion topics, about the nature of the language, is being actively maintained and [[jboske discussion|copied]] into this wiki. They often include specific terminology. The discussions are presented as is, copied from the IRC channel.<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references /></div>Robin Townsendhttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Template:Lojban_StackExchange&diff=124078Template:Lojban StackExchange2020-08-13T02:51:30Z<p>Robin Townsend: .i basti fa le cnino fi le ka sinxa la .slak.</p>
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<div><div class=plainlinks style="width:auto !important;box-shadow:4px 4px rgba(0,0,0,0.1);width:calc(450px);background-color:white;padding:5px;margin:8px auto;text-align:center;font-size:120%;"><br />
<p style="width: 100%; margin: 2px auto">Join our live chat (all linked by chat bridge bots):</p><p style="margin:0;font-size: 120%"><br />
[[File:telegram-icon.png|50px|link=https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsYz3hCF8mCAb6fzW1Rw|Telegram]]<br />
[[File:Slack icon 2019.svg|50px|link=https://slaka.herokuapp.com|Slack]]<br />
[[File:discord-icon.png|50px|link=https://discord.gg/BVm4EYR|Discord]]<br />
[[File:mattermost-icon.png|50px|link=https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw|Mattermost]]<br />
[[File:Matrix_icon.svg|50px|link=https://matrix.to/#/+jbo:townsendandsmith.ml]]<br />
</p><br />
<div style="text-align:center;font-size:80%;">Or join #lojban on Freenode IRC.</div><br />
<div style="margin-top:1em;text-align:center;font-size:80%;">Join [[Lojban Live Chat|channels for beginners and advanced users]].</div><br />
<br />
</div></div>Robin Townsendhttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Template:Lojban_StackExchange&diff=124071Template:Lojban StackExchange2020-08-03T00:15:28Z<p>Robin Townsend: .i la .meitriks. cu ziljmina</p>
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<p style="width: 100%; margin: 2px auto">Join our live chat (all linked by chat bridge bots):</p><p style="margin:0;font-size: 120%"><br />
[[File:telegram-icon.png|50px|link=https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsYz3hCF8mCAb6fzW1Rw|Telegram]]<br />
[[File:slack-icon.png|50px|link=https://slaka.herokuapp.com|Slack]]<br />
[[File:discord-icon.png|50px|link=https://discord.gg/BVm4EYR|Discord]]<br />
[[File:mattermost-icon.png|50px|link=https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw|Mattermost]]<br />
[[File:Matrix_icon.svg|50px|link=https://matrix.to/#/+jbo:townsendandsmith.ml]]<br />
</p><br />
<div style="text-align:center;font-size:80%;">Or join #lojban on Freenode IRC.</div><br />
<div style="margin-top:1em;text-align:center;font-size:80%;">Join [[Lojban Live Chat|channels for beginners and advanced users]].</div><br />
<br />
</div></div>Robin Townsend