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==Proposed definitions ==<br />
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=== cmavo: lo (LE) ===<br />
==== Proposed Definition ====<br />
Generic article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, into a sumti. The resulting expression refers generically to any or some individual or individuals that fit as the first argument of the selbri. An inner quantifier can be used to indicate the number of individuals. An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over such individuals.<br />
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* {le}<br />
* {la}<br />
* {loi}<br />
* {lo'i}<br />
* {lo'e}<br />
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==== Proposed Keywords ====<br />
* generic article<br />
==== Usage Examples ====<br />
;lo rozgu cu xunre: ''Roses are red.''<br />
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;xu ro lo rozgu cu xunre i na go'i i mu'a su'o lo rozgu cu pelxu: ''Is every rose red? No, some roses are yellow, for example.''<br />
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;lo tadni cu sruri le dinju gi'e krixa: ''Students are surrounding the building and yelling.''<br />
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;ko'a pu lebna lo xanlai pe lo cmananba gi'e dunda ciboi cy mi: ''He grabbed a handful of biscuits and gave me three.''<br />
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;ca ro nu mi rere'u catlu lo skina kei mi cpacu lo so'i se cusku poi mi na cpacu ca lo pamoi: ''Every time I see a movie for the second time I get all this dialogue that I missed the first time.''<br />
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;ei lo verba cu mutce fraxu lo makcu prenu: ''Children should show great forbearance toward grown-up people.''<br />
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;ku'i uinai mi na viska lo lanme pa'o lo bitmu be fo lo tanxe i ju'ocu'i mi milxe simsa lo makcu prenu: ''But I, alas, do not see sheep through the walls of boxes. Perhaps I am a little like the grown-ups.''<br />
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;ca lo nicte lo cinfo cu kalte lo cidja: ''At night lions hunt for food.'' <br />
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;lo pa pixra cu se vamji lo ki'o valsi: ''One picture is worth a thousand words.''<br />
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;de'i li 1960 lo pare sovda cu fepni li 42: ''In 1960 a dozen eggs cost 42 cents.''<br />
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;cimai lo ctuca cu fendi lo selctu lo mu gunma be lo vo tadni: ''Step 3: The teacher will divide the class into five groups of four students.'' <br />
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;lo bidjylinsi pe lo ze seldri cu se pagbu ze gunma be lo ze bidju be'o e ji'a ci bidju e lo kucyga'asni: ''The Rosary of the Seven Sorrows consists of seven groups of seven beads, with three additional beads and a Crucifix.''<br />
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;ro lo bidjylinsi pe le ze seldri cu se pagbu ze lo gunma be lo ze bidju be'o e ji'a ci lo bidju e pa lo kucyga'asni: ''Every Rosary of the Seven Sorrows consists of seven groups of seven beads, with three additional beads and exactly one Crucifix.''<br />
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;lo sanli darxi bo dakli cu culno lo djacu onai lo canre to lo djacu cu pukmau ki'u lo nu slilu tolcando toi gi'e bunda li ji'i 270: ''Standing punching bags are filled with water or sand - water being preferable because of the wave-motion created - and weigh about 270lbs.''<br />
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;lo pavyseljirna cu ranmi danlu gi'e simlu lo ka ge ce'u xirma gi lo pa jirna cu cpana lo mebri be ce'u: ''Unicorns are mythical creatures that look like a horse with a horn coming out of their foreheads.''<br />
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;re lo so plini cu zmadu le terdi lo ka ce'u jibni le solri: ''Two of the nine planets are closer to the Sun than the Earth.''<br />
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=== cmavo: le (LE) ===<br />
==== Proposed Definition ====<br />
Specific article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, into a sumti. The resulting expression refers specifically to an individual or individuals that the speaker has in mind and which the speaker describes as fitting the first argument of the selbri. An inner quantifier can be used to indicate the number of individuals. An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over those individuals.<br />
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==== See Also ====<br />
* {lo}<br />
* {la}<br />
* {lei}<br />
* {le'i}<br />
* {le'e}<br />
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==== Proposed Keywords ====<br />
* specific article<br />
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==== Usage Examples ====<br />
;le palta ba'o porpi i ma gasnu i xu le gerku cu go'i: ''The dish is broken. Who did it? Was it the dog?''<br />
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;ko punji le sicni ja'e lo porsi be lo vamrai ku bi'o lo vamtolrai: ''Put the coins in order from greatest to least value.''<br />
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;ci le bi ctuca cu ninmu: ''Three of the eight teachers are women.''<br />
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;le va ninmu cu mutce melbi iku'i ca'a nanmu gi'e nelci lo nu ninmu dasni: ''That woman is very beautiful, but she's actually a man who likes to dress as a woman.''<br />
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;o'i mu xagji sofybakni cu zvati le purdi: ''Caution! There are five hungry Soviet cows in the garden.''<br />
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=== cmavo: la (LA) ===<br />
==== Proposed Definition ====<br />
Name article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, or any string of cmevla into a sumti. The resulting expression refers specifically to an individual or individuals that the speaker has in mind and which the speaker names with the selbri or cmevla. An inner quantifier can be used (in the case of a selbri) as part of the name. An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over those individuals.<br />
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==== See Also ====<br />
* {lo}<br />
* {le}<br />
* {lai}<br />
* {la'i}<br />
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==== Proposed Keywords ====<br />
* name article<br />
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==== Usage Examples ====<br />
;ma'i la midju terdi la sadam na sai me la sauron: ''In Middle Earth-terms, Saddam is by no means a 'Sauron'.''<br />
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;la ci bakni ku poi gusta bu'u la kaiapois cu banli ge lo ka vanbi gi lo ka cidja: ''The Three Cows Restaurant in Kaiapoi is a wonderful place, both atmosphere and food-wise.''<br />
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;ci la magdonaldz cu jibni le mi briju: ''There are three McDonald's near my office.''<br />
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=== cmavo: loi (LE) ===<br />
==== Proposed Definition ====<br />
Generic mass article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, into a sumti. The resulting expression refers generically to a group or groups of individuals that fit the first argument of the selbri and which collectively satisfy the predicate for which the sumti is an argument. An inner quantifier can be used to indicate the cardinality of the group or groups. An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over such groups. A fractional outer quantifier can be used to select a subgroup and indicate its cardinality as a fraction of the cardinality of the group.<br />
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==== See Also ====<br />
* {lo}<br />
* {lo'i}<br />
* {lei}<br />
* {lai}<br />
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==== Proposed Keywords ====<br />
* generic mass article<br />
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==== Usage Examples ====<br />
;loi litru ti jmaji lo ro pagbu be le terdi: ''Tourists gather here from all over the world.'' <br />
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;loi so'i tadni cu sruri le dinju i so'i le tadni cu krixa: ''Many students are surrounding the building. Many of the students are yelling.''<br />
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;lo mulno kardygri cu gunma lo vo loi paci karda: ''A full deck consists of four groups of thirteen cards.''<br />
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=== cmavo: lei (LE) ===<br />
==== Proposed Definition ====<br />
Specific mass article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, into a sumti. The resulting expression refers specifically to a group of individuals that the speaker has in mind and describes as fitting the first argument of the selbri and which collectively satisfy the predicate for which the sumti is an argument. An inner quantifier can be used to indicate the cardinality of the group. An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over such groups. A fractional outer quantifier can be used to select a subgroup and indicate its cardinality as a fraction of the cardinality of the group.<br />
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==== See Also ====<br />
* {le}<br />
* {le'i}<br />
* {loi}<br />
* {lai}<br />
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==== Proposed Keywords ====<br />
* specific mass article<br />
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==== Usage Examples ====<br />
;lei brazo cu jinga fi lei dotco la kabri: ''The Brazilians beat the Germans for the Cup.''<br />
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=== cmavo: lai (LA) ===<br />
==== Proposed Definition ====<br />
Name mass article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, or any string of cmevla into a sumti. The resulting expression refers specifically to a group of individuals that the speaker has in mind and names with the selbri or cmevla and which collectively satisfy the predicate for which the sumti is an argument. An inner quantifier can be used (in the case of a selbri) as part of the name. An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over such groups. A fractional outer quantifier can be used to select a subgroup and indicate its cardinality as a fraction of the cardinality of the group.<br />
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==== See Also ====<br />
* {la}<br />
* {la'i}<br />
* {loi}<br />
* {lei}<br />
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==== Proposed Keywords ====<br />
* name mass article<br />
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;ta melbi pixra lai simpson: ''That's a nice photograph of the Simpsons.''<br />
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=== cmavo: lo'i (LE) ===<br />
==== Proposed Definition ====<br />
Generic set article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, into a sumti. The resulting expression refers generically to a set or sets of individuals that fit the first argument of the selbri. An inner quantifier can be used to indicate the cardinality of the set. An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over such sets. A fractional outer quantifier can be used to select a subset and indicate its cardinality as a fraction of the cardinality of the set.<br />
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==== See Also ====<br />
* {lo}<br />
* {loi}<br />
* {le'i}<br />
* {la'i}<br />
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==== Proposed Keywords ====<br />
* generic set article<br />
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;ma cnano lo junta lo'i cifnu poi cazi jbena: ''What is the normal weight of a baby at childbirth?'' <br />
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=== cmavo: le'i (LE) ===<br />
==== Proposed Definition ====<br />
Specific set article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, into a sumti. The resulting expression refers specifically to the set of individuals that the speaker has in mind and describes as fitting the first argument of the selbri. An inner quantifier can be used to indicate the cardinality of the set. An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over such sets. A fractional outer quantifier can be used to select a subset and indicate its cardinality as a fraction of the cardinality of the set.<br />
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==== See Also ====<br />
* {le}<br />
* {lei}<br />
* {lo'i}<br />
* {la'i}<br />
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==== Proposed Keywords ====<br />
* specific set article<br />
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==== Usage Examples ====<br />
;ro le verba pu cuxna pa karda le'i cnita selcra: ''Each child chose a card from the face-down collection.''<br />
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=== cmavo: la'i (LA) ===<br />
==== Proposed Definition ====<br />
Name set article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, or any string of cmevla into a sumti. The resulting expression refers specifically to the set of individuals that the speaker has in mind and names with the selbri or cmevla. An inner quantifier can be used (in the case of a selbri) as part of the name. An outer quantifier can be used to quantify distributively over such sets. A fractional outer quantifier can be used to select a subset and indicate its cardinality as a fraction of the cardinality of the set.<br />
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==== See Also ====<br />
* {la}<br />
* {lai}<br />
* {lo'i}<br />
* {le'i}<br />
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==== Proposed Keywords ====<br />
* name set article<br />
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;doi turni do so'i da na fadni la'i kenedis ma'i lo jecra'a: ''Governor, in many respects, you're not a typical Kennedy politically.''<br />
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===Formal definitions ===<br />
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{| class="wikitable" <br />
| LE, LA || Definition<br />
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| lo [PA] broda || zo'e noi ke'a broda [gi'e zilkancu li PA lo broda]<br />
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| le [PA] broda || zo'e noi mi ke'a do skicu lo ka ce'u broda [gi'e zilkancu li PA lo broda] <br />
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| la [PA] broda || zo'e noi lu [PA] broda li'u cmene ke'a mi<br />
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| lo PA ''sumti'' || lo PA me ''sumti''<br />
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| le PA ''sumti'' || le PA me ''sumti''<br />
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| la PA ''sumti'' || zo'e noi lu PA ''sumti'' li'u cmene ke'a mi <br />
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| loi [PA] broda || lo gunma be lo [PA] broda<br />
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| lei [PA] broda || lo gunma be le [PA] broda<br />
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| lai [PA] broda || lo gunma be la [PA] broda<br />
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| loi PA ''sumti'' || lo gunma be lo PA ''sumti''<br />
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| lei PA ''sumti'' || lo gunma be le PA ''sumti''<br />
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| lai PA ''sumti'' || lo gunma be la PA ''sumti''<br />
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| lo'i [PA] broda || lo selcmi be lo [PA] broda<br />
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| le'i [PA] broda || lo selcmi be le [PA] broda<br />
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| la'i [PA] broda || lo selcmi be la [PA] broda<br />
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| lo'i PA ''sumti'' || lo selcmi be lo PA ''sumti''<br />
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| le'i PA ''sumti'' || lo selcmi be le PA ''sumti''<br />
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| la'i PA ''sumti'' || lo selcmi be la PA ''sumti''<br />
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{| class="wikitable" <br />
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| PA ''sumti'' || PA da poi ke'a me ''sumti''<br />
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| PA broda || PA da poi broda <br />
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| piPA ''sumti'' || lo piPA si'e be pa me ''sumti''<br />
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|colspan=1| piPA <br />
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===Summary ===<br />
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{| class="wikitable" <br />
| '''Cmavo'''||'''Article'''||'''Key phrase'''||'''Outer quantifier'''||'''Inner quantifier'''||'''Default quantifier'''<br />
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| lo||Generic +||fits||distributive over individuals||number of individuals not necessarily all that exist +||none +<br />
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| le||Specific||described as||distributive over individuals||number of individuals||none +<br />
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| la||Name||named with||distributive over individuals||part of the name||none +<br />
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| loi||Generic +mass||fit and collectively satisfy||selects subgroup||number of individuals not necessarily all that exist +||none +<br />
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| lei||Specific mass||described as and collectively satisfy||selects subgroup||number of individuals||none +<br />
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| lai||Name mass||named with and collectively satisfy||selects subgroup||part of the name||none +<br />
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| lo'i||Generic + set||has only members that fit||selects subset||cardinality of set not necessarily all that exist +||none +<br />
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| le'i||Specific set||has only members described as||selects subset||cardinality of set||none +<br />
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| la'i||Name set||has only members named with||selects subset||part of the name||none +<br />
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===Notes ===<br />
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* An ''individual'' can be anything, including a group, a set, a substance, a number, etc. {lo broda} can refer to one or more individuals. {lo'i broda} can refer only to those individuals that are sets. {loi broda} can refer only to those individuals that are groups ('masses').<br />
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* Any term without an explicit outer quantifier is a '''constant''', i.e. not a quantified term. This means that it '''refers''' to one or more individuals, and changing the order in which the constant term appears with respect to a negation or with respect to a quantified term will not change the meaning of the sentence. A constant is something that always keeps the same referent or referents. For example {lo broda} always refers to brodas. In {mu da poi broda zo'u da brode}, "da" is a quantified variable, bound by the quantifier ''mu'', and it takes its values from the set of all things that broda. (Within the scope of the quantifier, it acts as a constant term, but it cannot escape as a constant out of that scope.) Any term with a quantifier in front takes values from the set of things over which the quantifier runs. When an unquantified term is quantified, the quantifier runs over the referents of the unquantified term.<br />
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* CLL says about default quantifiers: ^''There are rules for each of the 11 descriptors specifying what the implicit values for the inner and outer quantifiers are. They are meant to provide sensible default values when context is absent, not necessarily to prescribe hard and fast rules. The following table lists the implicit values:'' ^The proposed definitions take the view that the most sensible default value when no explicit quantification is given is no quantification at all and that the unquantified terms are constants. <br />
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* http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/6bab580f0b098348<br />
** loi/lei quantifier debate<br />
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* http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/92df4eed2d387cfa<br />
** more jbodau<br />
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* To refer to substances, lo/le/la without any quantifier are appropriate. The number {tu'o} could be used as inner quantifier to emphasize that no cardinality applies. <br />
;le nanmu cu se snuti ija'ebo lo tu'o gerku cu kuspe le klaji: ''The guy had an accident and there was dog all over the road.''<br />
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* A substance can also be seen as made up of component parts, and this can even be true in a physical sense: the water in a puddle of rain got there drop by drop. If you look from far enough away, you can't tell whether the "sailor all over the deck" is literally goo, or just an aggregation of sailors standing still. So a substance may be treated as a group made up of individuals without worrying about which individuals they are.<br />
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===Impact ===<br />
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* Positive impact: Some usages that make little sense with {lo} = {su'o} become validated. Examples:<br />
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bilga lenu jdice lenu roroi pilno '''lo''' moklu trixe (to zoigy. velar gy. toi) jonai crane (to zoigy. alveolar gy. toi)<br />
<br>[[tavla fi le tutra pe le terdi]] <br />
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<br> le cmana '''lo''' cidja ba claxu<br />
<br> ''In the mountains there is no food.''<br />
<br>[[lapoi pelxu ku'o trajynobli]]<br />
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<br> le dargu pe '''lo''' xamgu bangu cu kargu<br />
<br> ''The road of the good language is costly.''<br />
<br>[[lapoi pelxu ku'o trajynobli]]<br />
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<br> la jyryr. tolkien. cu te cukta la djine turni (to la'o gy Lord of the Rings gy toi) .e le so'omoi be '''lo''' xanri munje lisri ca le lampru na'acto<br />
<br>[[tenguar]] <br />
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* Negative impact: It is conceivable that some usages become more vague than intended if the default quantifiers played an important role in some expression, such as interactions between su'o and na, but it is hard to determine. If someone finds examples where this happens please report them.<br />
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==Issues ==<br />
* [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/9e44a5728883ff9b lei quantification discussion]<br />
* This may already be covered here, but I (rlpowell) want to report something mentioned by PC, for future reference: Quite another problem with the cited reference. It seems to say that {ro lo rozgu} and {ro rozgu} are equivalent, as I hope they are not. The first talks about each and every one of a bunch of roses (which roses to be worked out from context if necessary) while the second talks about each and every rose, period, essentially {ro da poi rozgu}, so not equivalent (as far as I can tell).<br />
* See [[gadri: an unofficial commentary from a logical point of view]] for a precise discussion on plural quantification and gadri, including the definitions of terms '''individual(s)''', '''collectivity''' and '''distributivity'''.<br />
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{{BPFK Section poll| {MODULE(module=>BPFK Poll: gadri)}BPFK Poll: gadri{MODULE} }}</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=tautologies_and_tongue-twisters_In_Lojban&diff=117462tautologies and tongue-twisters In Lojban2015-09-09T08:31:56Z<p>Pier.abat: sosysfafasysofsasysfo</p>
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== la kevin ciska ==<br />
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lu<br />
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.i zo gismu gismu<br />
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.i zo brivla brivla<br />
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.i dei jufra<br />
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.i da du ri ri ri ri ri<br />
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.i da me da<br />
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.i lo bu'a cu bu'a<br />
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.i li pa jei nei<br />
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.i zo du cu du zo du<br />
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.i zo cirza cizra<br />
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li'u<br />
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== .i la tsali cu ciska ==<br />
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lu<br />
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.i dei nei<br />
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.i zo zo zo zo du<br />
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li'u<br />
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== bacrynandu ==<br />
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le xruki le ginxre xrixruba xu xrula cu xrani? Was it the hybrid buckwheat whose flowers the turkey harmed?<br />
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le crisa srasu cu rirci crino The summer grass is unusually green.<br />
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cire cilce carce jarco ce'e reci cilce carce cu jarco .i cire cilce carce jarco cu jarco reci cilce carce .ije'i reci cilce carce cu se jarco cire cilce carce jarco? Thirty-two wild cart showers show twenty-three wild carts. Do thirty-two wild cart showers each show twenty-three wild carts, or are twenty-three wild carts each shown by thirty-two wild cart showers?<br />
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djica jdice Wantingly decide<br />
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.i le babzba ba zbasu lo jbazbabu lo babjba The soapmaker will make berrysoap out of soapberries.<br />
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smuci smacu cmaci spoon mouse math<br />
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sosysfafasysofsasysfo - several-punishing French Soviet grass sofa<br />
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by gejyspa (Michael Turniansky):<br />
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le la santas santa'a santa --- Santa's Spanish-talking umbrella<br />
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le jbijbejbo cu cpucpa le jbajbu le cpicpare -- the nearly-native lojbanist gets-by-pulling the berry table from the bird-climber.</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=jbonunsla_2015&diff=117460jbonunsla 20152015-09-09T08:29:24Z<p>Pier.abat: bacrynandu</p>
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<div>== Photos ==<br />
[[File:2015-jbonunsla-cfari.jpeg|600px]]<br><br />
The south side of the meeting room as jbonunsla starts.<br><br />
[[File:2015-jbonunsla-gusta.jpeg|600px]]<br><br />
Five of us in Café Nicole, the hotel's restaurant.<br><br />
On the couch: la .piier. ce'o la .clsn. ce'o la tsani ce'o la durka<br><br />
Behind the couch: la mukti<br><br />
[[File:2015-jbonunsla-cipfi'i.jpeg|600px]]<br><br />
Three of us in the west side of the room entering test questions or conversing with Lojbanists elsewhere. Pierre, who took the picture, was on the east side entering questions.<br />
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== Reports ==<br />
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=== Mukti ===<br />
''(Initially [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/jP9TWEO1UWc/9xPuN7dQAgAJ posted on the lojban mailing list])''<br />
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For those who may interested, I’ve written up a brief review of my experience of this year’s jbonunsla, which took place last weekend (August 28-30) at the Holiday Inn in Princeton, New Jersey.<br />
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I took the train from New York City, arriving in Princeton fairly late Friday night. Pierre Abbat (who had driven up from North Carolina) and Mark Shoulson (“clsn”, who lives nearby) had arrived some time before me, and wandered down to join me in the restaurant just before it closed. I was excited to meet these two, who are the second and third lojbanists whom I had ever met in person.<br />
<br />
I had corresponded with Pierre over the last year while making some small additions to the Lojban Bible translation project that Pierre maintains: https://github.com/phma/lojban-bible<br />
<br />
Mark I knew mostly from reading old message board threads where he introduced the “dotside” notation: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK:_Old_Morphology<br />
<br />
I think Pierre was the first to speak lojban: He’s mastered a number of lojban [[tautologies_and_Tongue-Twisters_In_Lojban|tongue twisters]]. (Pierre, are those collected anywhere?) tsani arrived some time later, having trained down from Montréal, and it was then that we started to jbota’a in earnest. (to ki’e la tsani toi)<br />
<br />
Saturday morning, I found Pierre already at work preparing the meeting room. He had created construction paper letters using the initials B (be’a), D (du’a), N (ne’a), V (vu’a) to mark the cardinal directions in the room. Suitably oriented, we played a recording of the lojban anthem (https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Anthem) to mark the beginning of the conference. Welcome to lojbanistan! fi’i do’o<br />
<br />
Pierre brought his concertina, “Tina”, and I brought my guitar, so we played a few songs, including bits from Djemynai’s album (e.g. «nasa») and some songs Pierre had translated such as «doi cevni do'u .au mi jbize'a do» (“Nearer, My God, To Thee”).<br />
<br />
durka42 arrived from Philadelphia in time to join the the CLL edit-a-thon which connected, via Skype and IRC, those of us in the Princeton with Robin, Ilmen, mezohe and others. We managed to review quite a few chapters, and to iterate with Robin on the solution to some widespread formatting issues. durka incorporated the latest changes in the automatic build that he hosts:http://alexburka.com/lojban/prince.php<br />
<br />
Work on preparing CLL for reprint continues, as can be seen by the list of issues on github: https://github.com/lojban/cll/issues<br />
<br />
Brian Wernham of NooLearn, who had just flown in from London, arrived towards the end of the edit-a-thon, and helped us eat some delivery pizza. Then lojbab and noras logged into the #lojban channel on IRC for a chat in lojban and English.<br />
<br />
At some point during the chat, we played «lo jbobau cu mo» (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Y9eBBTrxU) and Djemynai’s newest song, «tensaǐa» (https://djemynai.bandcamp.com/album/tensaia) and clsn opined that lojban, with it’s comparatively short words and rhyme and stress patterns is well-suited for rap.<br />
<br />
Nora was asked if she had anything to do with «fanmo jimte», a remarkable film on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_nKJW_KuK4) which is narrated in lojban and attributed to a “Nora Lee”. Nora said that was someone else. (On Sunday, I found some more information about the film and added it to the Lojban timeline: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_timeline#2008)<br />
<br />
tsani had the attendees at the conference sign his copy of la xuncku. One of the attendees included a message written in srilermorna script (https://mw.lojban.org/papri/srilermorna).<br />
<br />
After dinner, we watched and discussed videos in lojban including «lo cizra zarci» (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmtQ0NcVFjI) an original story in lojban by tsani, read by selpa’i, and a few episodes of bripre jikca (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6fXtgkPdWQ). We also had to bid farewell to durka42.<br />
<br />
Activities commenced after breakfast on Sunday morning with an international chat via Mumble, which included a few rounds of «la re no preti». Good fun.<br />
<br />
Then, with Brian’s assistance, attendees in Princeton and elsewhere via Internet (e.g. selpa’i, Ilmen, Broca) signed into NooLearn’s servers (https://noolearn-staging.herokuapp.com/) to write and review hundreds of questions in and about Lojban, renewing efforts to devise a Lojban proficiency exam. As a follow-up, Pierre has asked for volunteers to join LBCK (lojbo bangu cipra kamni) to continue this work: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban-lbck<br />
<br />
We said farewell to Brian Sunday afternoon, and I returned to Brooklyn Sunday evening.<br />
<br />
I was glad to have the opportunity to meet lojbanists in person, and to participate in exchanges between lojbanists of many generations, including founders, and those around the world. I was also inspired by revisiting and sharing the songs, stories and videos that people have created with lojban, and by the work of people contributing to efforts such as LBCK and the republication of CLL.<br />
<br />
Thank you to Pierre for taking the initiative to organize jbonunsla, to Brian for helping to sponsor jbonunsla, and for making NooLearn available to us as a resource, to Robin for heading up the CLL edit-a-thon, to Bob and Nora for joining us in IRC, and to everyone else who attended or participated in jbonunsla. If anyone else would like to contribute towards the cost of jbonunsla, please feel free to do so via LLG’s PayPal donation form: http://tiki.lojban.org/tiki/Donations<br />
<br />
===Pierre===<br />
<br />
I came from North Carolina, spending two nights at my sister's house in Delaware. For several days before leaving, I had been busy enough editing the middle third of Ki Tetze' (jamna in Lojban) that I didn't have time to make the four letters for cardinal directions. I asked my sister; she suggested making each out of a different color of construction paper. So I did.<br />
<br />
A few hours before I left home, Mark Shoulson told me he planned to arrive Friday afternoon. I emailed Lorit, who works at the hotel, telling her that la .clsn. as well as la tsani would be staying in the common room. To recognize him, I sent the URL of a picture and asked her to ask him in Hebrew to translate from Welsh to Klingon. Unfortunately, Lorit was not there when I arrived, so I explained the situation to whoever was at the front desk. I happened to be near the front desk when la .clsn. arrived, with the same "o'asai" shirt as in the picture, so I identified him to the front desk guy and he got the key.<br />
<br />
Next morning, after enough five people had assembled in the meeting room, I handed out copies of the middle third of "jamna" (Deut. 23-24), which we read, taking turns. This is the parashat hashavua` scheduled for that day. (The parashah begins "As you go out to war", but the seventh is "[Jacob] went out", so I called it "war" to avoid confusion, since Lojban has no verb inflection.)<br />
<br />
After editing CLL a little bit, I went to my room and took a nap. During this time, Brian arrived, but having arrived from England, he fell asleep before I returned to the meeting room.<br />
<br />
After dinner, we gathered in the common room to watch la bripre jikca. I took la durka to the train station and went back to my room.<br />
<br />
Sunday morning I ate breakfast before the others. When the others arrived for breakfast, Brian showed us the nooLearn program, and we discussed various things, such as how to say "land" (as in "the plane lands").<br />
<br />
Later that day we entered lots of questions for a Lojban proficiency test.<br />
<br />
At dinner la .clsn. showed us his watch displaying the date in Roman numerals, which prompted a discussion of leap day. I explained why leap year is "année bissextile" in French (the sixth day before the calends of March is doubled), which la tsani didn't know, despite growing up speaking French. We split up the other way, with two heading home and the other two back to the hotel. I left the next morning, heading first back to my sister's house.</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=jbonunsla_2015&diff=117427jbonunsla 20152015-09-08T01:36:38Z<p>Pier.abat: /* Reports */ Pierre's report</p>
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<div>== Photos ==<br />
[[File:2015-jbonunsla-cfari.jpeg|600px]]<br><br />
The south side of the meeting room as jbonunsla starts.<br><br />
[[File:2015-jbonunsla-gusta.jpeg|600px]]<br><br />
Five of us in Café Nicole, the hotel's restaurant.<br><br />
On the couch: la .piier. ce'o la .clsn. ce'o la tsani ce'o la durka<br><br />
Behind the couch: la mukti<br><br />
[[File:2015-jbonunsla-cipfi'i.jpeg|600px]]<br><br />
Three of us in the west side of the room entering test questions or conversing with Lojbanists elsewhere. Pierre, who took the picture, was on the east side entering questions.<br />
<br />
== Reports ==<br />
<br />
=== Mukti ===<br />
''(Initially [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/jP9TWEO1UWc/9xPuN7dQAgAJ posted on the lojban mailing list])''<br />
<br />
For those who may interested, I’ve written up a brief review of my experience of this year’s jbonunsla, which took place last weekend (August 28-30) at the Holiday Inn in Princeton, New Jersey.<br />
<br />
I took the train from New York City, arriving in Princeton fairly late Friday night. Pierre Abbat (who had driven up from North Carolina) and Mark Shoulson (“clsn”, who lives nearby) had arrived some time before me, and wandered down to join me in the restaurant just before it closed. I was excited to meet these two, who are the second and third lojbanists whom I had ever met in person.<br />
<br />
I had corresponded with Pierre over the last year while making some small additions to the Lojban Bible translation project that Pierre maintains: https://github.com/phma/lojban-bible<br />
<br />
Mark I knew mostly from reading old message board threads where he introduced the “dotside” notation: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK:_Old_Morphology<br />
<br />
I think Pierre was the first to speak lojban: He’s mastered a number of lojban tongue twisters. (Pierre, are those collected anywhere?) tsani arrived some time later, having trained down from Montréal, and it was then that we started to jbota’a in earnest. (to ki’e la tsani toi)<br />
<br />
Saturday morning, I found Pierre already at work preparing the meeting room. He had created construction paper letters using the initials B (be’a), D (du’a), N (ne’a), V (vu’a) to mark the cardinal directions in the room. Suitably oriented, we played a recording of the lojban anthem (https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_Anthem) to mark the beginning of the conference. Welcome to lojbanistan! fi’i do’o<br />
<br />
Pierre brought his concertina, “Tina”, and I brought my guitar, so we played a few songs, including bits from Djemynai’s album (e.g. «nasa») and some songs Pierre had translated such as «doi cevni do'u .au mi jbize'a do» (“Nearer, My God, To Thee”).<br />
<br />
durka42 arrived from Philadelphia in time to join the the CLL edit-a-thon which connected, via Skype and IRC, those of us in the Princeton with Robin, Ilmen, mezohe and others. We managed to review quite a few chapters, and to iterate with Robin on the solution to some widespread formatting issues. durka incorporated the latest changes in the automatic build that he hosts:http://alexburka.com/lojban/prince.php<br />
<br />
Work on preparing CLL for reprint continues, as can be seen by the list of issues on github: https://github.com/lojban/cll/issues<br />
<br />
Brian Wernham of NooLearn, who had just flown in from London, arrived towards the end of the edit-a-thon, and helped us eat some delivery pizza. Then lojbab and noras logged into the #lojban channel on IRC for a chat in lojban and English.<br />
<br />
At some point during the chat, we played «lo jbobau cu mo» (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Y9eBBTrxU) and Djemynai’s newest song, «tensaǐa» (https://djemynai.bandcamp.com/album/tensaia) and clsn opined that lojban, with it’s comparatively short words and rhyme and stress patterns is well-suited for rap.<br />
<br />
Nora was asked if she had anything to do with «fanmo jimte», a remarkable film on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_nKJW_KuK4) which is narrated in lojban and attributed to a “Nora Lee”. Nora said that was someone else. (On Sunday, I found some more information about the film and added it to the Lojban timeline: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_timeline#2008)<br />
<br />
tsani had the attendees at the conference sign his copy of la xuncku. One of the attendees included a message written in srilermorna script (https://mw.lojban.org/papri/srilermorna).<br />
<br />
After dinner, we watched and discussed videos in lojban including «lo cizra zarci» (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmtQ0NcVFjI) an original story in lojban by tsani, read by selpa’i, and a few episodes of bripre jikca (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6fXtgkPdWQ). We also had to bid farewell to durka42.<br />
<br />
Activities commenced after breakfast on Sunday morning with an international chat via Mumble, which included a few rounds of «la re no preti». Good fun.<br />
<br />
Then, with Brian’s assistance, attendees in Princeton and elsewhere via Internet (e.g. selpa’i, Ilmen, Broca) signed into NooLearn’s servers (https://noolearn-staging.herokuapp.com/) to write and review hundreds of questions in and about Lojban, renewing efforts to devise a Lojban proficiency exam. As a follow-up, Pierre has asked for volunteers to join LBCK (lojbo bangu cipra kamni) to continue this work: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban-lbck<br />
<br />
We said farewell to Brian Sunday afternoon, and I returned to Brooklyn Sunday evening.<br />
<br />
I was glad to have the opportunity to meet lojbanists in person, and to participate in exchanges between lojbanists of many generations, including founders, and those around the world. I was also inspired by revisiting and sharing the songs, stories and videos that people have created with lojban, and by the work of people contributing to efforts such as LBCK and the republication of CLL.<br />
<br />
Thank you to Pierre for taking the initiative to organize jbonunsla, to Brian for helping to sponsor jbonunsla, and for making NooLearn available to us as a resource, to Robin for heading up the CLL edit-a-thon, to Bob and Nora for joining us in IRC, and to everyone else who attended or participated in jbonunsla. If anyone else would like to contribute towards the cost of jbonunsla, please feel free to do so via LLG’s PayPal donation form: http://tiki.lojban.org/tiki/Donations<br />
<br />
===Pierre===<br />
<br />
I came from North Carolina, spending two nights at my sister's house in Delaware. For several days before leaving, I had been busy enough editing the middle third of Ki Tetze' (jamna in Lojban) that I didn't have time to make the four letters for cardinal directions. I asked my sister; she suggested making each out of a different color of construction paper. So I did.<br />
<br />
A few hours before I left home, Mark Shoulson told me he planned to arrive Friday afternoon. I emailed Lorit, who works at the hotel, telling her that la .clsn. as well as la tsani would be staying in the common room. To recognize him, I sent the URL of a picture and asked her to ask him in Hebrew to translate from Welsh to Klingon. Unfortunately, Lorit was not there when I arrived, so I explained the situation to whoever was at the front desk. I happened to be near the front desk when la .clsn. arrived, with the same "o'asai" shirt as in the picture, so I identified him to the front desk guy and he got the key.<br />
<br />
Next morning, after enough five people had assembled in the meeting room, I handed out copies of the middle third of "jamna" (Deut. 23-24), which we read, taking turns. This is the parashat hashavua` scheduled for that day. (The parashah begins "As you go out to war", but the seventh is "[Jacob] went out", so I called it "war" to avoid confusion, since Lojban has no verb inflection.)<br />
<br />
After editing CLL a little bit, I went to my room and took a nap. During this time, Brian arrived, but having arrived from England, he fell asleep before I returned to the meeting room.<br />
<br />
After dinner, we gathered in the common room to watch la bripre jikca. I took la durka to the train station and went back to my room.<br />
<br />
Sunday morning I ate breakfast before the others. When the others arrived for breakfast, Brian showed us the nooLearn program, and we discussed various things, such as how to say "land" (as in "the plane lands").<br />
<br />
Later that day we entered lots of questions for a Lojban proficiency test.<br />
<br />
At dinner la .clsn. showed us his watch displaying the date in Roman numerals, which prompted a discussion of leap day. I explained why leap year is "année bissextile" in French (the sixth day before the calends of March is doubled), which la tsani didn't know, despite growing up speaking French. We split up the other way, with two heading home and the other two back to the hotel. I left the next morning, heading first back to my sister's house.</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=jbonunsla_2015&diff=117424jbonunsla 20152015-09-07T22:34:03Z<p>Pier.abat: Created page with "600px<br> The south side of the meeting room as jbonunsla starts.<br> 600px<br> Five of us in Café Nicol..."</p>
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<div>[[File:2015-jbonunsla-cfari.jpeg|600px]]<br><br />
The south side of the meeting room as jbonunsla starts.<br><br />
[[File:2015-jbonunsla-gusta.jpeg|600px]]<br><br />
Five of us in Café Nicole, the hotel's restaurant.<br><br />
On the couch: la .piier. ce'o la .clsn. ce'o la tsani ce'o la durka<br><br />
Behind the couch: la mukti<br><br />
[[File:2015-jbonunsla-cipfi'i.jpeg|600px]]<br><br />
Three of us in the west side of the room entering test questions or conversing with Lojbanists elsewhere. Pierre, who took the picture, was on the east side entering questions.</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=File:2015-jbonunsla-cipfi%27i.jpeg&diff=117423File:2015-jbonunsla-cipfi'i.jpeg2015-09-07T22:30:09Z<p>Pier.abat: lo jbopre cu finti lo cipra preti</p>
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<div>lo jbopre cu finti lo cipra preti</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=File:2015-jbonunsla-gusta.jpeg&diff=117422File:2015-jbonunsla-gusta.jpeg2015-09-07T22:18:19Z<p>Pier.abat: mu jbopre bene'i lo gusta</p>
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<div>mu jbopre bene'i lo gusta</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=File:2015-jbonunsla-cfari.jpeg&diff=117421File:2015-jbonunsla-cfari.jpeg2015-09-07T22:07:41Z<p>Pier.abat: jvinu lo nanpau be lo 2015moi nanca jbonunsla ke jmaji kumfa ca lo nu cfari</p>
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<div>jvinu lo nanpau be lo 2015moi nanca jbonunsla ke jmaji kumfa ca lo nu cfari</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=jbonunsla&diff=117420jbonunsla2015-09-07T21:51:23Z<p>Pier.abat: /* Logfest 2015/jbonunsla 2015 */</p>
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<div>jbonunsla, also known as LogFest, is the annual gathering of the Logical Language Group. We are required by an LLG bylaw to have an [[LLG Meetings|annual]] meeting. Every year we have a Lojban Convention for any and all in the community who are willing to come. LogFest was traditionally held at lojbab's house in Fairfax VA, a suburb of Washington DC, usually over a weekend in July or August. We have typically had around 20 people come for part or all of the weekend. Some of these people are among the more committed Lojbanists, and around half the attendees typically are at beginner skill levels. Usually several people travel a substantial distance in order to attend, and those people are often treated as a guests of honor and are given first consideration for choosing the activities on which we focus. <br />
<br />
Other than giving those who had to travel furthest preference in picking topics, LogFest is largely unstructured, in part because we don't know who or how many are coming until a couple of days before things start. LogFest is what the community chooses to make it. Because the official LLG meeting occurs during Logfest, some of the major decisions affecting the Lojban community tend to get made there. <br />
<br />
In 2005 and 2006, the annual gatherings started being held at science fiction conventions. <br />
<br />
The [[LogFest]] name for the annual gathering of Lojban enthusiasts was a holdover from Loglan. Sometimes it has been called jboselsla, but that was inaccurate and meant the celebrators, not the celebration. jbotersla was rejected as being the program items at the celebration-- such as the games, discussions, and speeches-- not the celebration itself as a whole. So jbonunsla was settled on as the name.<br />
<br />
==Logfest 2015/jbonunsla 2015==<br />
<br />
Main article: [[jbonunsla 2015]]<br />
jbonunsla 2015 was on the 29th and 30th of August at the Holiday Inn in Princeton, New Jersey. The address is 100 Independence Way, which is just off Route 1.<br />
<br />
It was small (six or seven people), but we accomplished some things: we reformatted some parts of the CLL and entered lots of test questions for a Lojban proficiency test.<br />
<br />
==Logfest 2013/jbonunsla 2013==<br />
[[File:detkehu_be_fi_li_25_salci.jpeg|thumb|jbonunsla 2013]]Logfest/jbonunsla 2013, celebrating Lojban's 25th Anniversary, was held January 3-5, 2013 at lojbab's residence in Fairfax, VA.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2012/jbonunsla 2012 ==<br />
jbonunsla 2012 was held in the San Francisco Bay Area on Saturday, 7 July 2011 and Sunday, 8 July 2011. The gathering took place in [http://www.holidayinn.com/hotels/us/en/san-mateo/sfosm/hoteldetail/directions a shared hotel room in San Mateo].<br />
<br />
Attendees can travel easily from the following airports, in order of convenience: San Francisco International Airport, San Jose Airport, and Oakland International Airport. Locals with cars are available for pickup if necessary.<br />
<br />
The space has room for at least 4 to sleep, and seating for about 10 people.<br />
<br />
Our plans for activities are extremely flexible, as in we don't really have any; this has caused issues with focus in previous years, so suggestions regarding activities and topics are welcome, even if you won't be attenting.<br />
<br />
Generally, attendees can expect games, chatting in and about Lojban, and regular breaks for food. Most attendees will arrive on Friday and depart on Monday, so the most significant activities will likely take place on Saturday and Sunday.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2011/jbonunsla 2011 ==<br />
[[Image:jbonunsla 2011.jpg|thumb|jbonunsla 2011]]Main Article: [[jbonunsla 2011]]<br />
<br />
Logfest 2011 occurred on the weekend of July 4th (Friday, July 1st through Sunday, July 3rd) in Mountain View, California, USA. Logfest 2011 was coordinated by [[.alyn.post|.alyn.post]]. It had about ten people on average throughout each day ranging from absolute beginner to seasoned veteran.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2010/jbonunsla 2010 ==<br />
[[File:707.sip|thumb|jbonunsla 2010: Courtesy of Axis, a picture of most of the attendees, and a couple of newbies, during a lesson]]<br />
Logfest 2010 took place from April 30 - May 2 at [http://www.penguicon.org/ PenguiCon] 2010 in Troy, Michigan, and was a great success. Nine serious Lojbanists attended, and we attracted something 3 or 4 newbies.<br />
<br />
== LogFest 2009/jbonunsla 2009 ==<br />
<br />
LogFest 2009 was at PenguiCon 2009, from 1 May 2009 through 3 May 2009. We are extremely fortunate that [[Matt Arnold|Matt Arnold]] is both the ConChair of PenguiCon and a Lojbanist, so we have great space set aside for us! See the [[jbonunsla 2009]] page for details.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2006 ==<br />
<br />
There was a [[jbonunsla 2006]] at Penguicon ''both'' Philcon 2006<br />
<br />
and Penguicon 2006. The former was larger. See [[jbonunsla 2006]] for details.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2005 ==<br />
<br />
[[Logfest 2005]]<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2002 ==<br />
<br />
[[Logfest 2002 pictures]]</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=jbonunsla&diff=116179jbonunsla2015-07-15T12:30:09Z<p>Pier.abat: /* Logfest 2015/jbonunsla 2015 */</p>
<hr />
<div>jbonunsla, also known as LogFest, is the annual gathering of the Logical Language Group. We are required by an LLG bylaw to have an [[LLG Meetings|annual]] meeting. Every year we have a Lojban Convention for any and all in the community who are willing to come. LogFest was traditionally held at lojbab's house in Fairfax VA, a suburb of Washington DC, usually over a weekend in July or August. We have typically had around 20 people come for part or all of the weekend. Some of these people are among the more committed Lojbanists, and around half the attendees typically are at beginner skill levels. Usually several people travel a substantial distance in order to attend, and those people are often treated as a guests of honor and are given first consideration for choosing the activities on which we focus. <br />
<br />
Other than giving those who had to travel furthest preference in picking topics, LogFest is largely unstructured, in part because we don't know who or how many are coming until a couple of days before things start. LogFest is what the community chooses to make it. Because the official LLG meeting occurs during Logfest, some of the major decisions affecting the Lojban community tend to get made there. <br />
<br />
In 2005 and 2006, the annual gatherings started being held at science fiction conventions. <br />
<br />
The [[LogFest]] name for the annual gathering of Lojban enthusiasts was a holdover from Loglan. Sometimes it has been called jboselsla, but that was inaccurate and meant the celebrators, not the celebration. jbotersla was rejected as being the program items at the celebration-- such as the games, discussions, and speeches-- not the celebration itself as a whole. So jbonunsla was settled on as the name.<br />
<br />
==Logfest 2015/jbonunsla 2015==<br />
jbonunsla 2015 will be on the 29th and 30th of August at the Holiday Inn in Princeton, New Jersey. The address is 100 Independence Way, which is just off Route 1.<br />
<br />
Directions to the hotel: http://www.ihg.com/holidayinn/hotels/us/en/princeton/prnnj/hoteldetail/directions?irs=y Note that the directions are backward. The page says it's 8 km south of Princeton Junction. It's actually NNE of Princeton Junction and ENE of the Princeton station.<br />
<br />
http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/rail/Rail_System_Map.pdf is the New Jersey rail map. The Northeast Corridor connects EWR to Princeton Junction; you can also get there by Amtrak.<br />
<br />
Pierre is planning to be in northern Delaware for a few days before and can pick up someone from PHL. Contact him at phma@leaf.dragonflybsd.org if you need a ride.<br />
<br />
There will be a double room with room for four to sleep, for those who can't afford the room but can come, and a meeting room, but the two rooms are not adjacent. The guestroom will be available at 15:00 on Friday, but the meeting room will not be available until midnight. To reserve a room, call 609-520-1200 by July 28 and specify GLL. This was LLG of course, but someone flipped it.<br />
<br />
==Logfest 2013/jbonunsla 2013==<br />
[[File:detkehu_be_fi_li_25_salci.jpeg|thumb|jbonunsla 2013]]Logfest/jbonunsla 2013, celebrating Lojban's 25th Anniversary, was held January 3-5, 2013 at lojbab's residence in Fairfax, VA.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2012/jbonunsla 2012 ==<br />
jbonunsla 2012 was held in the San Francisco Bay Area on Saturday, 7 July 2011 and Sunday, 8 July 2011. The gathering took place in [http://www.holidayinn.com/hotels/us/en/san-mateo/sfosm/hoteldetail/directions a shared hotel room in San Mateo].<br />
<br />
Attendees can travel easily from the following airports, in order of convenience: San Francisco International Airport, San Jose Airport, and Oakland International Airport. Locals with cars are available for pickup if necessary.<br />
<br />
The space has room for at least 4 to sleep, and seating for about 10 people.<br />
<br />
Our plans for activities are extremely flexible, as in we don't really have any; this has caused issues with focus in previous years, so suggestions regarding activities and topics are welcome, even if you won't be attenting.<br />
<br />
Generally, attendees can expect games, chatting in and about Lojban, and regular breaks for food. Most attendees will arrive on Friday and depart on Monday, so the most significant activities will likely take place on Saturday and Sunday.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2011/jbonunsla 2011 ==<br />
[[Image:jbonunsla 2011.jpg|thumb|jbonunsla 2011]]Main Article: [[jbonunsla 2011]]<br />
<br />
Logfest 2011 occurred on the weekend of July 4th (Friday, July 1st through Sunday, July 3rd) in Mountain View, California, USA. Logfest 2011 was coordinated by [[.alyn.post|.alyn.post]]. It had about ten people on average throughout each day ranging from absolute beginner to seasoned veteran.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2010/jbonunsla 2010 ==<br />
[[File:707.sip|thumb|jbonunsla 2010: Courtesy of Axis, a picture of most of the attendees, and a couple of newbies, during a lesson]]<br />
Logfest 2010 took place from April 30 - May 2 at [http://www.penguicon.org/ PenguiCon] 2010 in Troy, Michigan, and was a great success. Nine serious Lojbanists attended, and we attracted something 3 or 4 newbies.<br />
<br />
== LogFest 2009/jbonunsla 2009 ==<br />
<br />
LogFest 2009 was at PenguiCon 2009, from 1 May 2009 through 3 May 2009. We are extremely fortunate that [[Matt Arnold|Matt Arnold]] is both the ConChair of PenguiCon and a Lojbanist, so we have great space set aside for us! See the [[jbonunsla 2009]] page for details.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2006 ==<br />
<br />
There was a [[jbonunsla 2006]] at Penguicon ''both'' Philcon 2006<br />
<br />
and Penguicon 2006. The former was larger. See [[jbonunsla 2006]] for details.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2005 ==<br />
<br />
[[Logfest 2005]]<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2002 ==<br />
<br />
[[Logfest 2002 pictures]]</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=jbonunsla&diff=115785jbonunsla2015-07-03T11:18:01Z<p>Pier.abat: /* Logfest 2015/jbonunsla 2015 */ date and place</p>
<hr />
<div>jbonunsla, also known as LogFest, is the annual gathering of the Logical Language Group. We are required by an LLG bylaw to have an [[LLG Meetings|annual]] meeting. Every year we have a Lojban Convention for any and all in the community who are willing to come. LogFest was traditionally held at lojbab's house in Fairfax VA, a suburb of Washington DC, usually over a weekend in July or August. We have typically had around 20 people come for part or all of the weekend. Some of these people are among the more committed Lojbanists, and around half the attendees typically are at beginner skill levels. Usually several people travel a substantial distance in order to attend, and those people are often treated as a guests of honor and are given first consideration for choosing the activities on which we focus. <br />
<br />
Other than giving those who had to travel furthest preference in picking topics, LogFest is largely unstructured, in part because we don't know who or how many are coming until a couple of days before things start. LogFest is what the community chooses to make it. Because the official LLG meeting occurs during Logfest, some of the major decisions affecting the Lojban community tend to get made there. <br />
<br />
In 2005 and 2006, the annual gatherings started being held at science fiction conventions. <br />
<br />
The [[LogFest]] name for the annual gathering of Lojban enthusiasts was a holdover from Loglan. Sometimes it has been called jboselsla, but that was inaccurate and meant the celebrators, not the celebration. jbotersla was rejected as being the program items at the celebration-- such as the games, discussions, and speeches-- not the celebration itself as a whole. So jbonunsla was settled on as the name.<br />
<br />
==Logfest 2015/jbonunsla 2015==<br />
jbonunsla 2015 will be on the 29th and 30th of August at the Holiday Inn in Princeton, New Jersey. The address is 100 Independence Way, which is just off Route 1.<br />
<br />
==Logfest 2013/jbonunsla 2013==<br />
[[File:detkehu_be_fi_li_25_salci.jpeg|thumb|jbonunsla 2013]]Logfest/jbonunsla 2013, celebrating Lojban's 25th Anniversary, was held January 3-5, 2013 at lojbab's residence in Fairfax, VA.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2012/jbonunsla 2012 ==<br />
jbonunsla 2012 was held in the San Francisco Bay Area on Saturday, 7 July 2011 and Sunday, 8 July 2011. The gathering took place in [http://www.holidayinn.com/hotels/us/en/san-mateo/sfosm/hoteldetail/directions a shared hotel room in San Mateo].<br />
<br />
Attendees can travel easily from the following airports, in order of convenience: San Francisco International Airport, San Jose Airport, and Oakland International Airport. Locals with cars are available for pickup if necessary.<br />
<br />
The space has room for at least 4 to sleep, and seating for about 10 people.<br />
<br />
Our plans for activities are extremely flexible, as in we don't really have any; this has caused issues with focus in previous years, so suggestions regarding activities and topics are welcome, even if you won't be attenting.<br />
<br />
Generally, attendees can expect games, chatting in and about Lojban, and regular breaks for food. Most attendees will arrive on Friday and depart on Monday, so the most significant activities will likely take place on Saturday and Sunday.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2011/jbonunsla 2011 ==<br />
[[Image:jbonunsla 2011.jpg|thumb|jbonunsla 2011]]Main Article: [[jbonunsla 2011]]<br />
<br />
Logfest 2011 occurred on the weekend of July 4th (Friday, July 1st through Sunday, July 3rd) in Mountain View, California, USA. Logfest 2011 was coordinated by [[.alyn.post|.alyn.post]]. It had about ten people on average throughout each day ranging from absolute beginner to seasoned veteran.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2010/jbonunsla 2010 ==<br />
[[File:707.sip|thumb|jbonunsla 2010: Courtesy of Axis, a picture of most of the attendees, and a couple of newbies, during a lesson]]<br />
Logfest 2010 took place from April 30 - May 2 at [http://www.penguicon.org/ PenguiCon] 2010 in Troy, Michigan, and was a great success. Nine serious Lojbanists attended, and we attracted something 3 or 4 newbies.<br />
<br />
== LogFest 2009/jbonunsla 2009 ==<br />
<br />
LogFest 2009 was at PenguiCon 2009, from 1 May 2009 through 3 May 2009. We are extremely fortunate that [[Matt Arnold|Matt Arnold]] is both the ConChair of PenguiCon and a Lojbanist, so we have great space set aside for us! See the [[jbonunsla 2009]] page for details.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2006 ==<br />
<br />
There was a [[jbonunsla 2006]] at Penguicon ''both'' Philcon 2006<br />
<br />
and Penguicon 2006. The former was larger. See [[jbonunsla 2006]] for details.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2005 ==<br />
<br />
[[Logfest 2005]]<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2002 ==<br />
<br />
[[Logfest 2002 pictures]]</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=jbonunsla&diff=115213jbonunsla2015-06-09T01:23:28Z<p>Pier.abat: /* Logfest 2015/jbonunsla 2015 */</p>
<hr />
<div>jbonunsla, also known as LogFest, is the annual gathering of the Logical Language Group. We are required by an LLG bylaw to have an [[LLG Meetings|annual]] meeting. Every year we have a Lojban Convention for any and all in the community who are willing to come. LogFest was traditionally held at lojbab's house in Fairfax VA, a suburb of Washington DC, usually over a weekend in July or August. We have typically had around 20 people come for part or all of the weekend. Some of these people are among the more committed Lojbanists, and around half the attendees typically are at beginner skill levels. Usually several people travel a substantial distance in order to attend, and those people are often treated as a guests of honor and are given first consideration for choosing the activities on which we focus. <br />
<br />
Other than giving those who had to travel furthest preference in picking topics, LogFest is largely unstructured, in part because we don't know who or how many are coming until a couple of days before things start. LogFest is what the community chooses to make it. Because the official LLG meeting occurs during Logfest, some of the major decisions affecting the Lojban community tend to get made there. <br />
<br />
In 2005 and 2006, the annual gatherings started being held at science fiction conventions. <br />
<br />
The [[LogFest]] name for the annual gathering of Lojban enthusiasts was a holdover from Loglan. Sometimes it has been called jboselsla, but that was inaccurate and meant the celebrators, not the celebration. jbotersla was rejected as being the program items at the celebration-- such as the games, discussions, and speeches-- not the celebration itself as a whole. So jbonunsla was settled on as the name.<br />
<br />
==Logfest 2015/jbonunsla 2015==<br />
jbonunsla 2015 will probably be around the 23rd or 30th of August somewhere in New Jersey. The location isn't decided yet.<br />
<br />
==Logfest 2013/jbonunsla 2013==<br />
[[File:detkehu_be_fi_li_25_salci.jpeg|thumb|jbonunsla 2013]]Logfest/jbonunsla 2013, celebrating Lojban's 25th Anniversary, was held January 3-5, 2013 at lojbab's residence in Fairfax, VA.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2012/jbonunsla 2012 ==<br />
jbonunsla 2012 was held in the San Francisco Bay Area on Saturday, 7 July 2011 and Sunday, 8 July 2011. The gathering took place in [http://www.holidayinn.com/hotels/us/en/san-mateo/sfosm/hoteldetail/directions a shared hotel room in San Mateo].<br />
<br />
Attendees can travel easily from the following airports, in order of convenience: San Francisco International Airport, San Jose Airport, and Oakland International Airport. Locals with cars are available for pickup if necessary.<br />
<br />
The space has room for at least 4 to sleep, and seating for about 10 people.<br />
<br />
Our plans for activities are extremely flexible, as in we don't really have any; this has caused issues with focus in previous years, so suggestions regarding activities and topics are welcome, even if you won't be attenting.<br />
<br />
Generally, attendees can expect games, chatting in and about Lojban, and regular breaks for food. Most attendees will arrive on Friday and depart on Monday, so the most significant activities will likely take place on Saturday and Sunday.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2011/jbonunsla 2011 ==<br />
[[Image:jbonunsla 2011.jpg|thumb|jbonunsla 2011]]Main Article: [[jbonunsla 2011]]<br />
<br />
Logfest 2011 occurred on the weekend of July 4th (Friday, July 1st through Sunday, July 3rd) in Mountain View, California, USA. Logfest 2011 was coordinated by [[.alyn.post|.alyn.post]]. It had about ten people on average throughout each day ranging from absolute beginner to seasoned veteran.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2010/jbonunsla 2010 ==<br />
[[File:707.sip|thumb|jbonunsla 2010: Courtesy of Axis, a picture of most of the attendees, and a couple of newbies, during a lesson]]<br />
Logfest 2010 took place from April 30 - May 2 at [http://www.penguicon.org/ PenguiCon] 2010 in Troy, Michigan, and was a great success. Nine serious Lojbanists attended, and we attracted something 3 or 4 newbies.<br />
<br />
== LogFest 2009/jbonunsla 2009 ==<br />
<br />
LogFest 2009 was at PenguiCon 2009, from 1 May 2009 through 3 May 2009. We are extremely fortunate that [[Matt Arnold|Matt Arnold]] is both the ConChair of PenguiCon and a Lojbanist, so we have great space set aside for us! See the [[jbonunsla 2009]] page for details.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2006 ==<br />
<br />
There was a [[jbonunsla 2006]] at Penguicon ''both'' Philcon 2006<br />
<br />
and Penguicon 2006. The former was larger. See [[jbonunsla 2006]] for details.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2005 ==<br />
<br />
[[Logfest 2005]]<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2002 ==<br />
<br />
[[Logfest 2002 pictures]]</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=jbonunsla&diff=111846jbonunsla2015-02-12T00:18:04Z<p>Pier.abat: cabna'a jbonunsla</p>
<hr />
<div>jbonunsla, also known as LogFest, is the annual gathering of the Logical Language Group. We are required by an LLG bylaw to have an [[LLG Meetings|annual]] meeting. Every year we have a Lojban Convention for any and all in the community who are willing to come. LogFest was traditionally held at lojbab's house in Fairfax VA, a suburb of Washington DC, usually over a weekend in July or August. We have typically had around 20 people come for part or all of the weekend. Some of these people are among the more committed Lojbanists, and around half the attendees typically are at beginner skill levels. Usually several people travel a substantial distance in order to attend, and those people are often treated as a guests of honor and are given first consideration for choosing the activities on which we focus. <br />
<br />
Other than giving those who had to travel furthest preference in picking topics, LogFest is largely unstructured, in part because we don't know who or how many are coming until a couple of days before things start. LogFest is what the community chooses to make it. Because the official LLG meeting occurs during Logfest, some of the major decisions affecting the Lojban community tend to get made there. <br />
<br />
In 2005 and 2006, the annual gatherings started being held at science fiction conventions. <br />
<br />
The [[LogFest]] name for the annual gathering of Lojban enthusiasts was a holdover from Loglan. Sometimes it has been called jboselsla, but that was inaccurate and meant the celebrators, not the celebration. jbotersla was rejected as being the program items at the celebration-- such as the games, discussions, and speeches-- not the celebration itself as a whole. So jbonunsla was settled on as the name.<br />
<br />
==Logfest 2015/jbonunsla 2015==<br />
jbonunsla 2015 will probably be around the 4th or 11th of July somewhere in America. The location isn't decided yet.<br />
<br />
==Logfest 2013/jbonunsla 2013==<br />
[[File:detkehu_be_fi_li_25_salci.jpeg|thumb|jbonunsla 2013]]Logfest/jbonunsla 2013, celebrating Lojban's 25th Anniversary, was held January 3-5, 2013 at lojbab's residence in Fairfax, VA.<br />
<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2012/jbonunsla 2012 ==<br />
jbonunsla 2012 was held in the San Francisco Bay Area on Saturday, 7 July 2011 and Sunday, 8 July 2011. The gathering took place in [http://www.holidayinn.com/hotels/us/en/san-mateo/sfosm/hoteldetail/directions a shared hotel room in San Mateo].<br />
<br />
Attendees can travel easily from the following airports, in order of convenience: San Francisco International Airport, San Jose Airport, and Oakland International Airport. Locals with cars are available for pickup if necessary.<br />
<br />
The space has room for at least 4 to sleep, and seating for about 10 people.<br />
<br />
Our plans for activities are extremely flexible, as in we don't really have any; this has caused issues with focus in previous years, so suggestions regarding activities and topics are welcome, even if you won't be attenting.<br />
<br />
Generally, attendees can expect games, chatting in and about Lojban, and regular breaks for food. Most attendees will arrive on Friday and depart on Monday, so the most significant activities will likely take place on Saturday and Sunday.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2011/jbonunsla 2011 ==<br />
[[Image:jbonunsla 2011.jpg|thumb|jbonunsla 2011]]Main Article: [[jbonunsla 2011]]<br />
<br />
Logfest 2011 occurred on the weekend of July 4th (Friday, July 1st through Sunday, July 3rd) in Mountain View, California, USA. Logfest 2011 was coordinated by [[.alyn.post|.alyn.post]]. It had about ten people on average throughout each day ranging from absolute beginner to seasoned veteran.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2010/jbonunsla 2010 ==<br />
[[File:707.sip|thumb|jbonunsla 2010: Courtesy of Axis, a picture of most of the attendees, and a couple of newbies, during a lesson]]<br />
Logfest 2010 took place from April 30 - May 2 at [http://www.penguicon.org/ PenguiCon] 2010 in Troy, Michigan, and was a great success. Nine serious Lojbanists attended, and we attracted something 3 or 4 newbies.<br />
<br />
== LogFest 2009/jbonunsla 2009 ==<br />
<br />
LogFest 2009 was at PenguiCon 2009, from 1 May 2009 through 3 May 2009. We are extremely fortunate that [[Matt Arnold|Matt Arnold]] is both the ConChair of PenguiCon and a Lojbanist, so we have great space set aside for us! See the [[jbonunsla 2009]] page for details.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2006 ==<br />
<br />
There was a [[jbonunsla 2006]] at Penguicon ''both'' Philcon 2006<br />
<br />
and Penguicon 2006. The former was larger. See [[jbonunsla 2006]] for details.<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2005 ==<br />
<br />
[[Logfest 2005]]<br />
<br />
== Logfest 2002 ==<br />
<br />
[[Logfest 2002 pictures]]</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Questioning-url/fr&diff=71062MediaWiki:Questioning-url/fr2013-11-29T09:35:29Z<p>Pier.abat: </p>
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|| Can't talk now<br />
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|| Cover Your Ass -or- See Ya<br />
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<br />
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|| Check your e-mail<br />
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|| Don't Believe Everything You Read<br />
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|| Estimated time of arrival<br />
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<br />
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<br />
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|| Frequently Asked Questions<br />
|| lo cafne se reisku<br />
<br />
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|| fb<br />
|| Facebook<br />
|| faisybuk<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| FUBAR<br />
|| Fouled up beyond all recognition<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| FUD<br />
|| Fear, Uncertainty, and Disinformation<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| fwd<br />
|| Forward<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| FWIW<br />
|| For What It's Worth -or- Forgot Where I Was<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| FYI<br />
|| For your information<br />
|| <br />
<br />
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|| Gamer<br />
|| Video game player<br />
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<br />
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|| Girlfriend<br />
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|| Good game<br />
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<br />
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|| Good job<br />
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<br />
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<br />
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|| Good luck have fun<br />
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|| Global positioning system<br />
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|| Great<br />
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<br />
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|| Got to go<br />
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<br />
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<br />
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|| Hold on a second<br />
|| <br />
<br />
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<br />
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|| I don't know<br />
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<br />
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|| Just kidding<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| K<br />
|| OK<br />
|| je'e, vi'o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| L8<br />
|| Late<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| l8r<br />
|| Later<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| LAN<br />
|| Local Area Network<br />
|| diklo seltcana<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| LMAO<br />
|| Laughing My Ass Off<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| LMK<br />
|| Let me know<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| LOL<br />
|| Laughing Out Loud -or- Lots Of Love -or- Living On Lipitor<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| LYLAS<br />
|| Love You Like A Sister<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| m<br />
|| Male<br />
|| nakni<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| MHOTY<br />
|| My Hat's Off To You<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| MMB<br />
|| Message me back<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| MMO<br />
|| Massively multiplayer online<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| Mooch<br />
|| Freeload<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| msg<br />
|| Message<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| MYOB<br />
|| Mind your own business<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| N/A<br />
|| Not Available<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| NC<br />
|| No comment<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| ne1<br />
|| Anyone<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| NIMBY<br />
|| Not In My Back Yard<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| NM<br />
|| Not much<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| noob<br />
|| Newbie<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| NP<br />
|| No Problem -or- Nosy Parents<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| NTN<br />
|| No thanks needed<br />
|| je'ecu'i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| NUB<br />
|| New person to a site or game<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| od<br />
|| Overdose<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| OIC<br />
|| Oh, I See<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| OMG<br />
|| Oh My God<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| OMG<br />
|| Oh my gosh<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| OMW<br />
|| On my way<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| OT<br />
|| Off Topic<br />
|| ta'o?<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| otoh<br />
|| on the other hand<br />
|| zu'inai<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| PC<br />
|| Personal computer<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| perv<br />
|| Pervert<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| PHAT<br />
|| Pretty hot and tempting<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| PK<br />
|| Player Kill<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| pls<br />
|| Please<br />
|| e'o, pe'u<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| PM<br />
|| Post meridiem<br />
|| pe lo vanci<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| POS<br />
|| Parent over shoulder<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| POV<br />
|| Point Of View<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| ppl<br />
|| People<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| pwn<br />
|| Own<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| qt<br />
|| Cutie<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| RBTL<br />
|| Read Between The Lines<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| re<br />
|| Regarding<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| ROFL<br />
|| Rolling on the floor laughing<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| ROTFL<br />
|| Rolling on the floor laughing<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| ROTFLMAO<br />
|| Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| RPG<br />
|| Role playing game<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| RSVP<br />
|| Répondez s'il vous plaît<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| RT<br />
|| Real Time -or- ReTweet -or- Retweet<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| RTFM<br />
|| Read the flippin' manual<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| RTM or RTFM<br />
|| Read The Manual -or- Read The F***ing Manual<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| sec<br />
|| Second<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| SH<br />
|| Sh** Happens<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| SITD<br />
|| Still In The Dark<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| SMH<br />
|| Shaking my head<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| SMS<br />
|| Short Message Service<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| SOL<br />
|| Sh** Out of Luck<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| SOS<br />
|| Someone over shoulder<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| Sry<br />
|| Sorry<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| STBY<br />
|| Sucks To Be You<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| sup<br />
|| What's up<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| Swag<br />
|| Boasting about one's skills or style<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| SWAK<br />
|| Sealed (or Sent) With A Kiss<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TBA<br />
|| To be announced<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TBC<br />
|| To be continued<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TBD<br />
|| To be determined<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| tbh<br />
|| to be honest<br />
|| sei stace<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TC<br />
|| Take care<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TFH<br />
|| Thread From Hell<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| THX or TX or THKS<br />
|| Thanks<br />
|| ki'e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TIA<br />
|| Thanks in advance<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TLC<br />
|| Tender Loving Care<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TLC<br />
|| Tender love and care<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TMI<br />
|| Too Much Information<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TMI<br />
|| Too much information<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| Troll<br />
|| Offensive comments poster<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TTFN<br />
|| Ta-ta for now<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TTYL<br />
|| Talk To You Later -or- Type To You Later<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| Tweet<br />
|| Twitter post<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| Twitch<br />
|| Video game streaming website<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| txt<br />
|| Text<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TY<br />
|| Thank you<br />
|| ki'e do<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| TYVM<br />
|| Thank You Very Much<br />
|| ki'esai do<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| u<br />
|| You<br />
|| do<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| U2<br />
|| You too<br />
|| do si'a, do ji'a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| ugh<br />
|| Disgusted<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| UR<br />
|| Your<br />
|| pe do<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| VBG<br />
|| Very Big Grin<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| VM<br />
|| Voicemail<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| vs<br />
|| Versus<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| w/<br />
|| With<br />
|| caunai, ka'ai<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| w/e<br />
|| Whatever<br />
|| ju?<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| w/o<br />
|| Without<br />
|| secau<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| W8<br />
|| Wait<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| WB<br />
|| Write back<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| WEG<br />
|| Wicked Evil Grin<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| Whoa<br />
|| Expression of surprise<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| WTF<br />
|| What the f***<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| WYWH<br />
|| Wish You Were Here<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| XOXO<br />
|| Hugs and kisses<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| Y<br />
|| Why<br />
|| seja'e ma<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| YOLO<br />
|| You only live once<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| YW<br />
|| You're welcome<br />
|| fi'i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
|| ZZZ<br />
|| Sleeping<br />
|| <br />
<br />
|}</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=mi_jbize%27a_do_doi_cevni&diff=77890mi jbize'a do doi cevni2013-11-04T17:35:28Z<p>Pier.abat: </p>
<hr />
<div>doi cevni do'u .au mi jbize'a do<br><br />
.iju lo kucymudri cu lafti mi<br><br />
.i sanga lo se du'u mi jbize'a do<br />
<br />
:.i mi jbize'a do doi cevni do'u<br />
<br />
.i ca lo murse mi litru lo kunti<br><br />
.i ca lo nicte mi vreta lo rokci<br><br />
.i ku'i senva lo nu mi jbize'a do<br />
<br />
.ibo tolcanci fa lo serti be lo<br><br />
.angeli .i do mi xendo lo dargu<br><br />
.i mi cu parkla do .i mi jbize'a do<br />
<br />
.i cerni pensi lo nu zanru do<br><br />
.i zbasu la .beitel. lo badri rokci<br><br />
.i tolgei gasnu lo nu mi jbize'a do<br />
<br />
.ibazubo mi voirli'u lo kensa<br><br />
.i mi lo plini ja tarci cu cliva<br><br />
.i sa'asku di'e .ui .i mi jbize'a do</div>Pier.abathttps://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=File:1215000692390s.jpg&diff=67617File:1215000692390s.jpg2013-11-04T17:35:28Z<p>Pier.abat: </p>
<hr />
<div>doi cevni do'u .au mi jbize'a do<br><br />
.iju lo kucymudri cu lafti mi<br><br />
.i sanga lo se du'u mi jbize'a do<br />
<br />
:.i mi jbize'a do doi cevni do'u<br />
<br />
.i ca lo murse mi litru lo kunti<br><br />
.i ca lo nicte mi vreta lo rokci<br><br />
.i ku'i senva lo nu mi jbize'a do<br />
<br />
.ibo tolcanci fa lo serti be lo<br><br />
.angeli .i do mi xendo lo dargu<br><br />
.i mi cu parkla do .i mi jbize'a do<br />
<br />
.i cerni pensi lo nu zanru do<br><br />
.i zbasu la .beitel. lo badri rokci<br><br />
.i tolgei gasnu lo nu mi jbize'a do<br />
<br />
.ibazubo mi voirli'u lo kensa<br><br />
.i mi lo plini ja tarci cu cliva<br><br />
.i sa'asku di'e .ui .i mi jbize'a do</div>Pier.abat