https://mw.lojban.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Mediator64&feedformat=atomLojban - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T21:15:28ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.38.4https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=loglang&diff=124020loglang2020-05-10T05:17:30Z<p>Mediator64: Laadan is a feminist language, and therefore is not only inspired by "logical principles". I do not know which order it should appear in, which may be problematic. It also seems strange that Loglan and Nalgol are not under the "Loglan family".</p>
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<div>''loglang'' - a [[constructed language|constructed language]] recognizably based on logical principles.<br />
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{{quotation|a language in which every utterance is traceable to a unique representation in a suitable logic formalism, which representation correctly gives the meaning of the utterance, and is reached from the linguistic form by automatic formal rules (parsing).|[[User:John Clifford|John Clifford]]}}<br />
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Alternatively, the term ''loglang'' is used to describe a language that belongs to the Loglan family.<br />
==Loglangs based on logical principles only==<br />
*[[And Rosta|And Rosta]]'s Livagian (no direct links)<br />
*[[Liva|Liva]]<br />
*[[RDFS]]<br />
<br />
==Languages in Loglan family==<br />
*[[Lojban]]<br />
* [[La Alta]] developed by [[la gleki]] and [http://newlojban.wordpress.com La Logbanu] developed by [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]] are variations of Lojban<br />
===Others (in historical order)===<br />
*[[Loglan|Loglan]] is now a generic term that refers both to James Cooke Brown's Loglan, and all languages descended from it. Since the organization that Dr. Brown established, The Loglan Institute (TLI), still calls its language Loglan, it is necessary to state that this section refers specifically to the TLI language, instead of the entire family of languages.<br />
*[[Nalgol|Nalgol]], which was a project of totally redoing Loglan.<br />
*[[Láadan|Láadan]] is a language from which Lojban took some of its evidentials.<br />
*[[gua\spi|gua\spi]], which is in the same string as Nalgol. Gua\spi is a descendent of Lojban and Loglan which uses Chinese-like tones to mark grammatical structure, developed by Jim Carter. By using tones instead of structure words, and cutting predicates from two to one syllable, Carter has fixed a minor flaw in Gua\spi's predecessors – they take a lot of syllables to say things – albeit at the expense of adding tone, which is a far from universal language trait.<br />
*[[Ithkuil]] is a cross between a logical and philosophical language, designed to minimize ambiguity and maximize efficiency in speech.<br />
*[[Ceqli]] by Rex F. May is an auxiliary language project with origins in James Cooke Brown's Loglan, but has influences from English and Mandarin.<br />
*[[Plan B]]<br />
*[[New LoCCan|New LoCCan]] is a possible next revision of Loglan/Lojban.<br />
*[[Logic Language Draft 2.1|Logic Language Draft 2.1]]<br />
*[[Voksigid|Voksigid]] created by an Internet working group led by Bruce R. Gilson, attempts to construct a predicate language of a different type from those which had gone before. Its syntax was somewhat influenced by Japanese, and its vocabulary was based mostly on European language roots. Loglan and Lojban both use word order to mark the various places in the predication, but because remembering which position means which role in the predication might be beyond easy memorization for most people, Voksigid was designed in order to overcome this issue. It uses an extensive set of very semantically specific prepositions to mark the roles of verb arguments, instead of positional order as in Loglan and Lojban.<br />
*[[Trari]] is a continuation of ideas from Voksigid<br />
*Xorban was developed in [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/engelang/ engelang] mailing list in 2012.<br />
*[[Lojsk|Lojsk]] was conceived by Ari Reyes, heavily influenced by Loglan, Lojban, Universal Networking Language (UNL), Esperanto, Visual Basic, Dutton's Speedwords, Ceqli and Gua\spi. It is designed to be more single-syllable oriented. If possible, that would nonetheless lead Lojsk to be more sensitive to noisy environments than Lojban is, therefore its practicality in oral communication may be questioned.<br />
*[[Viku: An Art Language|Viku]] (pronounced "VEE-koo") is an art language, created as an expression of Victor Medrano's personal philosophy of minimalism, simplicity, and xenophilia. Inspiration for Viku arose from Japanese and Polynesian languages. Lojban has a great influence on Viku grammar. Viku is said to be a crucible for blending primitivism with modernism.<br />
*[[X-1]] and [[X-2]]<br />
*[[Fith]] and [[Shallow Fith]]<br />
*[http://toaq.org/ Toaq] is a tonal loglang, developed by [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]].<br />
*[[tanbau]] is a logical language developed by [[la tsani]].<br />
* [[toki pona enhanced]] is a modification of [[toki pona]] based on advances of Lojban studies.<br />
* [[U (conlang)|U]] - a Zen conlang, the most specified language in the world.</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=loglang&diff=124019loglang2020-05-10T05:10:44Z<p>Mediator64: Grammatical fiix</p>
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<div>''loglang'' - a [[constructed language|constructed language]] recognizably based on logical principles.<br />
<br />
{{quotation|a language in which every utterance is traceable to a unique representation in a suitable logic formalism, which representation correctly gives the meaning of the utterance, and is reached from the linguistic form by automatic formal rules (parsing).|[[User:John Clifford|John Clifford]]}}<br />
<br />
Alternatively, the term ''loglang'' is used to describe a language that belongs to the Loglan family.<br />
==Loglangs based on logical principles only==<br />
*[[Láadan|Láadan]] is a language from which Lojban took some of its evidentials.<br />
*[[And Rosta|And Rosta]]'s Livagian (no direct links)<br />
*[[Liva|Liva]]<br />
*[[RDFS]]<br />
<br />
==Languages in Loglan family==<br />
*[[Lojban]]<br />
* [[La Alta]] developed by [[la gleki]] and [http://newlojban.wordpress.com La Logbanu] developed by [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]] are variations of Lojban<br />
===Others (in historical order)===<br />
*[[Loglan|Loglan]] is now a generic term that refers both to James Cooke Brown's Loglan, and all languages descended from it. Since the organization that Dr. Brown established, The Loglan Institute (TLI), still calls its language Loglan, it is necessary to state that this section refers specifically to the TLI language, instead of the entire family of languages.<br />
*[[Nalgol|Nalgol]], which was a project of totally redoing Loglan.<br />
*[[gua\spi|gua\spi]], which is in the same string as Nalgol. Gua\spi is a descendent of Lojban and Loglan which uses Chinese-like tones to mark grammatical structure, developed by Jim Carter. By using tones instead of structure words, and cutting predicates from two to one syllable, Carter has fixed a minor flaw in Gua\spi's predecessors – they take a lot of syllables to say things – albeit at the expense of adding tone, which is a far from universal language trait.<br />
*[[Ithkuil]] is a cross between a logical and philosophical language, designed to minimize ambiguity and maximize efficiency in speech.<br />
*[[Ceqli]] by Rex F. May is an auxiliary language project with origins in James Cooke Brown's Loglan, but has influences from English and Mandarin.<br />
*[[Plan B]]<br />
*[[New LoCCan|New LoCCan]] is a possible next revision of Loglan/Lojban.<br />
*[[Logic Language Draft 2.1|Logic Language Draft 2.1]]<br />
*[[Voksigid|Voksigid]] created by an Internet working group led by Bruce R. Gilson, attempts to construct a predicate language of a different type from those which had gone before. Its syntax was somewhat influenced by Japanese, and its vocabulary was based mostly on European language roots. Loglan and Lojban both use word order to mark the various places in the predication, but because remembering which position means which role in the predication might be beyond easy memorization for most people, Voksigid was designed in order to overcome this issue. It uses an extensive set of very semantically specific prepositions to mark the roles of verb arguments, instead of positional order as in Loglan and Lojban.<br />
*[[Trari]] is a continuation of ideas from Voksigid<br />
*Xorban was developed in [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/engelang/ engelang] mailing list in 2012.<br />
*[[Lojsk|Lojsk]] was conceived by Ari Reyes, heavily influenced by Loglan, Lojban, Universal Networking Language (UNL), Esperanto, Visual Basic, Dutton's Speedwords, Ceqli and Gua\spi. It is designed to be more single-syllable oriented. If possible, that would nonetheless lead Lojsk to be more sensitive to noisy environments than Lojban is, therefore its practicality in oral communication may be questioned.<br />
*[[Viku: An Art Language|Viku]] (pronounced "VEE-koo") is an art language, created as an expression of Victor Medrano's personal philosophy of minimalism, simplicity, and xenophilia. Inspiration for Viku arose from Japanese and Polynesian languages. Lojban has a great influence on Viku grammar. Viku is said to be a crucible for blending primitivism with modernism.<br />
*[[X-1]] and [[X-2]]<br />
*[[Fith]] and [[Shallow Fith]]<br />
*[http://toaq.org/ Toaq] is a tonal loglang, developed by [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]].<br />
*[[tanbau]] is a logical language developed by [[la tsani]].<br />
* [[toki pona enhanced]] is a modification of [[toki pona]] based on advances of Lojban studies.<br />
* [[U (conlang)|U]] - a Zen conlang, the most specified language in the world.</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=la_kanas_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123479la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-10-14T15:52:41Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>カタカナとひらがなはロジバンを表すかもしれない本当のアルファベットにすることができます。日本語の音節はロジバンの音節をうまく表記できないため、アルファベットが好ましい場合があります。ひらがなはネイティブのロジバン語に使用され、カタカナは名前と外来語に使用されます。<br />
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Katakana and hiragana can be made into true alphabets that may represent Lojban. Alphabets might be preferable, since the Japanese syllabary cannot pleasantly transcribe Lojban syllables. Hiragana may be used for native Lojban words, while katakana may be used for names and foreign words.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
<br />
|+ la kanas cu binxo lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
! lo xirgana !! lo katkana !! lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あ || ア || a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| い || イ || i (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆ || ユ || i (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| う || ウ || u (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わ || ワ || u (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| え || エ || e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| お || オ || o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゝ || ヽ || y<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| く || ク || k<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぐ || グ || g<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| す || ス || s<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| し || シ || c<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ず || ズ || z<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| じ || ジ || j<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| と || ト || t<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ち || チ || tc<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| つ || ツ || ts<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ど || ド || d<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぢ || ヂ || dj<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| づ || ヅ || dz<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| は || ハ || '<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ほ || ホ || x<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ふ || フ || f<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゔ || ヴ || v<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぶ || ブ || b<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぷ || プ || p<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| も || モ || m (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| む || ム || m (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ん || ン || n (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぬ || ヌ || n (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ろ || ロ || r (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| る || ル || r (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| れ || レ || l (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| り || リ || l (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| っ || ッ || .<br />
<br />
|}<br />
*「slaka」は母音または音節子音を表し、「na slaka」は半母音または非音節子音を表します。<br />
*"slaka" notates a vowel or a syllabic consonant, while "na slaka" notates a semivowel or a non-syllabic consonant.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
<br />
|+ lo karsna orne<br />
<br />
! lo xirgana !! lo katkana !! lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あわ || アワ || au<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あう || アウ || a,u<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あゆ || アユ || ai<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あい || アイ || a,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| えゆ || えユ || ei<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| えい || えイ || e,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| おゆ || オユ || oi<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| おい || オイ || o,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆあ || ユア || ia<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いあ || イア || i,a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆい || ユイ || ii<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆう || ユウ || iu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いう || イウ || i,u<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆえ || ユえ || ie<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いえ || イえ || i,e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆお || ユオ || io<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いお || イオ || i,o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆゝ || ユヽ || iy<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いゝ || イヽ || i,y<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わあ || ワア || ua<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うあ || ウア || u,a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わい || ワイ || ui<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うい || ウイ || u,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わう || ワウ || uu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わえ || ワえ || ue<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うえ || ウえ || u,e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わお || ワオ || uo<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うお || ウオ || u,o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わゝ || ワヽ || uy<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うゝ || ウヽ || u,y<br />
<br />
|}<br />
<br />
(文法や語彙の間違いを直すのを手伝ってください。ロジバンを理解しているのなら、翻訳を追加してください。Please help in correcting any grammatical or vocabulary mistakes you see. If you understand Lojban, please add a translation.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=la_kanas_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123478la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-10-13T23:22:53Z<p>Mediator64: I thought switching the kana used for x and ' would be more intuitive, so I did so.</p>
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<div>カタカナとひらがなはロジバンを表すかもしれない本当のアルファベットにすることができます。日本語の音節はロジバンの音節をうまく表記できないため、アルファベットが好ましい場合があります。ひらがなはネイティブのロジバン語に使用され、カタカナは名前と外来語に使用されます。<br />
<br />
Katakana and hiragana can be made into true alphabets that may represent Lojban. Alphabets might be preferable, since the Japanese syllabary cannot pleasantly transcribe Lojban syllables. Hiragana is used for native Lojban words, while katakana is used for names and foreign words.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
<br />
|+ la kanas cu binxo lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
! lo xirgana !! lo katkana !! lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あ || ア || a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| い || イ || i (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆ || ユ || i (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| う || ウ || u (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わ || ワ || u (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| え || エ || e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| お || オ || o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゝ || ヽ || y<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| く || ク || k<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぐ || グ || g<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| す || ス || s<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| し || シ || c<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ず || ズ || z<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| じ || ジ || j<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| と || ト || t<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ち || チ || tc<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| つ || ツ || ts<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ど || ド || d<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぢ || ヂ || dj<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| づ || ヅ || dz<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| は || ハ || '<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ほ || ホ || x<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ふ || フ || f<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゔ || ヴ || v<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぶ || ブ || b<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぷ || プ || p<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| も || モ || m (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| む || ム || m (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ん || ン || n (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぬ || ヌ || n (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ろ || ロ || r (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| る || ル || r (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| れ || レ || l (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| り || リ || l (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| っ || ッ || .<br />
<br />
|}<br />
*「slaka」は母音または音節子音を表し、「na slaka」は半母音または非音節子音を表します。<br />
*"slaka" notates a vowel or a syllabic consonant, while "na slaka" notates a semivowel or a non-syllabic consonant.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
<br />
|+ lo karsna orne<br />
<br />
! lo xirgana !! lo katkana !! lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あわ || アワ || au<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あう || アウ || a,u<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あゆ || アユ || ai<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あい || アイ || a,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| えゆ || えユ || ei<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| えい || えイ || e,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| おゆ || オユ || oi<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| おい || オイ || o,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆあ || ユア || ia<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いあ || イア || i,a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆい || ユイ || ii<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆう || ユウ || iu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いう || イウ || i,u<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆえ || ユえ || ie<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いえ || イえ || i,e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆお || ユオ || io<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いお || イオ || i,o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆゝ || ユヽ || iy<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いゝ || イヽ || i,y<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わあ || ワア || ua<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うあ || ウア || u,a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わい || ワイ || ui<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うい || ウイ || u,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わう || ワウ || uu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わえ || ワえ || ue<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うえ || ウえ || u,e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わお || ワオ || uo<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うお || ウオ || u,o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わゝ || ワヽ || uy<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うゝ || ウヽ || u,y<br />
<br />
|}<br />
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(文法や語彙の間違いを直すのを手伝ってください。ロジバンを理解しているのなら、翻訳を追加してください。Please help in correcting any grammatical or vocabulary mistakes you see. If you understand Lojban, please add a translation.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=loglang&diff=123461loglang2019-10-05T04:35:18Z<p>Mediator64: I added Ithkuil</p>
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<div>''loglang'' - a [[constructed language|constructed language]] recognizably based on logical principles.<br />
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{{quotation|a language in which every utterance is traceable to a unique representation in a suitable logic formalism, which representation correctly gives the meaning of the utterance, and is reached from the linguistic form by automatic formal rules (parsing).|[[User:John Clifford|John Clifford]]}}<br />
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Alternatively, the term ''loglang'' is used to describe a language that belongs to the Loglan family.<br />
==Loglangs based on logical principles only==<br />
*[[Láadan|Láadan]] is a language from which Lojban took some of its evidentials.<br />
*[[And Rosta|And Rosta]]'s Livagian (no direct links)<br />
*[[Liva|Liva]]<br />
*[[RDFS]]<br />
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==Languages in Loglan family==<br />
*[[Lojban]]<br />
* [[La Alta]] developed by [[la gleki]] and [http://newlojban.wordpress.com La Logbanu] developed by [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]] are variations of Lojban<br />
===Others (in historical order)===<br />
*[[Loglan|Loglan]] is now a generic term that refers both to James Cooke Brown's Loglan, and all languages descended from it. Since the organization that Dr. Brown established, The Loglan Institute (TLI), still calls its language Loglan, it is necessary to state that this section refers specifically to the TLI language, instead of the entire family of languages.<br />
*[[Nalgol|Nalgol]], which was a project of totally redoing Loglan.<br />
*[[gua\spi|gua\spi]], which is in the same string as Nalgol. Gua\spi is a descendent of Lojban and Loglan which uses Chinese-like tones to mark grammatical structure, developed by Jim Carter. By using tones instead of structure words, and cutting predicates from two to one syllable, Carter has fixed a minor flaw in Gua\spi's predecessors – they take a lot of syllables to say things, albeit at the expense of adding tone, which is a far from universal language trait.<br />
*[[Ithkuil]] is a cross between a logical and philosophical language, designed to minimize ambiguity and maximize efficiency in speech.<br />
*[[Ceqli]] by Rex F. May is an auxiliary language project with origins in James Cooke Brown's Loglan, but has influences from English and Mandarin.<br />
*[[Plan B]]<br />
*[[New LoCCan|New LoCCan]] is a possible next revision of Loglan/Lojban.<br />
*[[Logic Language Draft 2.1|Logic Language Draft 2.1]]<br />
*[[Voksigid|Voksigid]] created by an Internet working group led by Bruce R. Gilson, attempts to construct a predicate language of a different type from those which had gone before. Its syntax was somewhat influenced by Japanese, and its vocabulary was based mostly on European language roots. Loglan and Lojban both use word order to mark the various places in the predication, but because remembering which position means which role in the predication might be beyond easy memorization for most people, Voksigid was designed in order to overcome this issue. It uses an extensive set of very semantically specific prepositions to mark the roles of verb arguments, instead of positional order as in Loglan and Lojban.<br />
*[[Trari]] is a continuation of ideas from Voksigid<br />
*Xorban was developed in [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/engelang/ engelang] mailing list in 2012.<br />
*[[Lojsk|Lojsk]] was conceived by Ari Reyes, heavily influenced by Loglan, Lojban, Universal Networking Language (UNL), Esperanto, Visual Basic, Dutton's Speedwords, Ceqli and Gua\spi. It is designed to be more single-syllable oriented. If possible, that would nonetheless lead Lojsk to be more sensitive to noisy environments than Lojban is, therefore its practicality in oral communication may be questioned.<br />
*[[Viku: An Art Language|Viku]] (pronounced "VEE-koo") is an art language, created as an expression of Victor Medrano's personal philosophy of minimalism, simplicity, and xenophilia. Inspiration for Viku arose from Japanese and Polynesian languages. Lojban has a great influence on Viku grammar. Viku is said to be a crucible for blending primitivism with modernism.<br />
*[[X-1]] and [[X-2]]<br />
*[[Fith]] and [[Shallow Fith]]<br />
*[http://selpahi.weebly.com/toaq-dzu Tòaq Dzũ] is a tonal loglang that fixed some problems of gua\spi. Developed by [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]].<br />
*[[tanbau]] is a logical language developed by [[la tsani]].<br />
* [[toki pona enhanced]] is a modification of [[toki pona]] based on advances of Lojban studies.<br />
* [[U (conlang)|U]] - a Zen conlang, the most specified language in the world.</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Alternate_orthographies&diff=123452Alternate orthographies2019-09-29T02:48:38Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>{{See_also|Lojban Ideography}}<br />
{{See also|Lojban orthographies}}<br />
{{See_also|Technical Issues With Alternate Orthographies}}<br />
== Latin ==<br />
*A [[Loglan]]-compatible orthography for the purposes of reapproachment with the [[TLI|TLI]] has been proposed<ref>http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9602/msg00071.html</ref>. Since the reapproachment never eventuated, the proposal is in limbo.<br />
*[[And Rosta]] is notorious for using (but only prior to the baseline and publication of [[Codex Woldemar|Woldy]]!) and [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]] is still sympathetic to, [[apostropheless alternative orthographies]].<br />
*It's been proposed to use acute ('''´''') and grave ('''`''') accent marks instead of those ugly capitals in order to mark stress. It's not ASCII, but it's still Latin-1<br />
*[[Capitals as letter names]]<br />
*[[Lojban calligraphy|Lojban calligraphy]]<br />
*[[la krulermorna]]<br />
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== Extant Scripts ==<br />
* [[Hanzi orthography]]<br />
* [[The Book|CLL]] describes a Cyrillic orthography for Lojban, devised by [[Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]]. The equivalences are as you'd expect; '''y''' is represented by ъ (the hard sign, as in Bulgarian). As originally designed, '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' was represented by ь (the soft sign), but in the Book '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' is used unchanged. Period and comma are also unchanged.<br />
*[[Hebrew Orthography]] by [[Adam]] & [[.aulun.]] finally based on Yiddish writing conventions (proving to be best for Lojban).<br />
*[[Arabic Orthography|Arabic Orthography]]<ref>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/1fe6b70c875c3a2b</ref> by [[.filip.]] <br />
*orthography for [[estrangela]] by [[.kreig.daniyl.]]<br />
*A [[katakana orthography|Katakana]] orthography is being mooted.<br />
** About to lose his last sense for rationality, [[.aulun.]] pondered about a [[Hiragana|Hiragana]] script for Lojban.<br />
** Katakana and Hiragana could be mixed too which would be even more weird.<br />
** A kana alphabet for Lojban by Mediator64 can be found on [[la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban]]<br />
*[[Mongolian|Mongolian]] orthography<br />
* [[Manchu orthography|Manchu]] orthography<br />
*[[Devanagari orthography|Devanagari]] orthography<br />
*[[Hangul|Hangul]] orthography<br />
*[[Georgian Orthography|Georgian ]]<nowiki/>orthography<br />
*[[jbopomofo|jbopomofo]]<br />
**[[lo jbopomofo]] is another proposal by Mediator64<br />
*The Tibetan script may be used to write lojban according to [[lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban]] by Mediator64<br />
== Fictional Scripts ==<br />
*The [http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/relipper/tolkien/rootpage.html Tolkien] script [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4948/tengwar/index.htm Tengwar] has been [[Tengwar|proposed as another way of writing Lojban]]. The proposal originally came from prominent ex-Lojbanist [http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/ Eric Raymond], which has made its repute spread far and wide.<br />
**"[[Why Tengwar?]]", a discussion on whether this is a Good Thing.<br />
*[[Apollonian alphabet|Apollonian alphabet]]<br />
*[[Verdurian orthography|Verdurian orthography]] by [[pne|pne]]<br />
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== Original Scripts ==<br />
*[[srilermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
* [[zbalermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9a0a9c276e6f8f1f larlermorna] by [[User:Lindar|Lindar]]<br />
*[https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiofPj-7nZpwdHppa3oxU2hGUDdQSWxmZDhaWTdBaUE&hl=en&authkey=CJyrpOQD Ctino's version] of [http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html Elian script]<br />
* [https://gist.github.com/TUSF/d85c3d241c90fede0ea7065ed1107fd5 Valbli] - A draft for a block writing system, designed for Lojban<br />
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== Related silliness ==<br />
* [[R2D2 Lojban]]<br />
* [[Proper Lojban Orthography|Proper Lojban Orthography]]<br />
* [[Hungarian orthography]]<br />
==References==<br />
<references /></div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jbopomofo&diff=123376lo jbopomofo2019-07-10T00:51:42Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>This is a proposal for how lojban may be written in zhuyin/bopomofo.<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo jbopomofo<br />
! lo latmu lerfu !! lo jbopomofo jugle’u<br />
|-<br />
| b || ㄅ<br />
|-<br />
| p || ㄆ<br />
|-<br />
| m (na slaka) || ㄇ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ㄩ<br />
|-<br />
| f || ㄈ<br />
|-<br />
| d || ㄉ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ㄊ<br />
|-<br />
| n (na slaka) || ㄋ<br />
|-<br />
| l || ㄌ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ㄦ<br />
|-<br />
| k || ㄎ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ㄍ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ㄏ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ㄕ<br />
|-<br />
| j || ㄖ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ㄙ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ㄒ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ㄘ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ㄗ<br />
|-<br />
| a || ㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| o || ㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| n (slaka) || ㄣ<br />
|-<br />
| m (slaka) || ㄥ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ㄞ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ㄟ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ㄠ<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ㄡ<br />
|-<br />
| a,i || ㄚㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| e,i || ㄝㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| a,u || ㄚㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| o,i || ㄛㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ㄧㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| io || ㄧㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ㄧㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ㄧㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ㄧㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ㄧㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ㄨㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ㄨㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ㄨㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ㄨㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ㄨㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ㄨㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || ˙<br />
|-<br />
| , || ˊ<br />
|-<br />
| . || ˋ<br />
|-<br />
| basna || ˇ<br />
|}<br />
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*"slaka" notates a syllabic consonant, while "na slaka" notates a non-syllabic consonant.<br />
*“basna” notated stress, and ˇ is written after a stressed vowel or diphthong. Because pauses and stress generally follow specific rules, ˋ and ˇ rarely have to be written.<br />
*ˊ only has to notate a change in syllables between ㄧ/ㄨ (i/u) and a following vowel. ˊ may also be used if one wants to make clear that ㄌ/ㄦ (l/r) is syllabic and thus a separate syllable from any vowel or other syllabic consonant.</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123365lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T23:11:09Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
* “da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo relkarsna (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ྂ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡ྄<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝ྄<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa a zoi ybu ཨ ybu sepli zoi ybu ཨ ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123364lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T23:02:13Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
* “da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo relkarsna (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡ྄<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝ྄<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa a zoi ybu ཨ ybu sepli zoi ybu ཨ ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=User:Mediator64&diff=123363User:Mediator642019-07-06T16:43:30Z<p>Mediator64: create user page</p>
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<div></div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jbopomofo&diff=123360lo jbopomofo2019-07-06T14:54:15Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>This is a proposal for how lojban may be written in zhuyin/bopomofo.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo jbopomofo<br />
! lo latmu lerfu !! lo jbopomofo jugle’u<br />
|-<br />
| b || ㄅ<br />
|-<br />
| p || ㄆ<br />
|-<br />
| m (na slaka) || ㄇ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ㄩ<br />
|-<br />
| f || ㄈ<br />
|-<br />
| d || ㄉ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ㄊ<br />
|-<br />
| n (na slaka) || ㄋ<br />
|-<br />
| l || ㄌ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ㄦ<br />
|-<br />
| k || ㄎ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ㄍ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ㄏ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ㄕ<br />
|-<br />
| j || ㄖ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ㄙ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ㄒ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ㄘ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ㄗ<br />
|-<br />
| a || ㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| o || ㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| n (slaka) || ㄣ<br />
|-<br />
| m (slaka) || ㄥ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ㄞ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ㄟ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ㄠ<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ㄡ<br />
|-<br />
| a,i || ㄚㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| e,i || ㄝㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| a,u || ㄚㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| o,i || ㄛㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ㄧㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| io || ㄧㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ㄧㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ㄧㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ㄧㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ㄧㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ㄨㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ㄨㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ㄨㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ㄨㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ㄨㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ㄨㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || ˙<br />
|-<br />
| , || ˊ<br />
|-<br />
| . || ˋ<br />
|-<br />
| basna || ˇ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
*"slaka" notates a syllabic consonant, while "na slaka" notates a non-syllabic consonant.<br />
*“basna” means stress, and ˇ is written after a stressed vowel or diphthong. Because pauses and stress generally follow specific rules, ˋ and ˇ rarely have to be written.<br />
*ˊ only has to notate a change in syllables between ㄧ/ㄨ (i/u) and a following vowel. ˊ may also be used if one wants to make clear that ㄌ/ㄦ (l/r) is syllabic and thus a separate syllable from any vowel or other syllabic consonant.</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123359lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T14:51:11Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
* “da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo relkarsna (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa a zoi ybu ཨ ybu sepli zoi ybu ཨ ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123358lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T14:50:09Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
* “da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo relkarsna (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa a zoi ybu ཨ ybu sepli zoi ybu ཨ ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123357lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T14:49:46Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
* “da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo relkarsna (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa a zoi ybu ཨ ybu sepli zoi ybu ཨ ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123356lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T14:49:01Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
* “da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo relkarsna (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa a zoi ybu ཨ ybu sepli zoi ybu ཨ ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123355lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T14:48:05Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
* “da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo relkarsna (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa a zoi ybu ཡ ybu sepli zoi ybu ཡ ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=katakana_orthography&diff=123354katakana orthography2019-07-06T14:42:34Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>{{se inspekte/en}}If we had a katakana orthography (not like I expect that to be easy) we might could appeal to the anime crowd. Just a thought.<br />
* [[Jay Kominek]]:<br />
** That is an awfully interesting idea. Might even be possible. How would consonant clusters be done, though?<br />
** Hell, how would any C not followed by V be done? And what do you do with the '''n''' consonant symbol? Give it to "n" or "m"?<br />
** .aulun.:<br />
*** Awfully fancyful people around here ;-) : Don't like Katakana as much as I'm fond of [[Hiragana|Hiragana]] (Firakana)!<br />
*** But speaking honestly, for what <u>rational</u> reason should a syllabic alphabet like this, tailored for a language with a very special phonemic system like Japanese, be adjusted for Lojban? - But yes, it would be very, very nice to have it. So I was playing around a bit with Fontographer and a Hiragana font to maybe get some idea... Yet, it's horrible a task:<br />
*** E.g. we needed to modify characters for '''lb''', '''c''', '''l''', '''f''' and '''x''' - '''l''' maybe by adding a nigori to "r", '''f''' by using the "h", unless we don't take that for '''x'''. We'd have to invent some more diacritical marks beside "nigori" and "maru" (at least one for kind of "schwa" to indicate the syllable as being "vowelless" (i.e. being a consonant).<br />
*** So, don't think it's impossible... (... for doing your Lojban poems in Hiragana calligraphy - let us fetch some ink, brush and paper...)<br />
* You can use the Japanese people's double-kana tricks for writing '''fa''', '''fi''', '''fe''', '''fo''', for instance.<br />
** How does this work?<br />
*** Try "fu" plus a small vowel kana.<br />
*** And as for Lojban '''x''', I think the Japanese try to imitate this sound by putting a small "tsu" in front of a kana such as "ha". So '''xa''' would be "(small tsu) (ha)".<br />
*Mediator64<br />
**I created a full kana orthography for Lojban, with hiragana for native Lojban words and katakana for names and foreign words. You can see it at [[la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban]] I did not think having a ton of small vowel kana would make sense in Lojban, so I made it into an alphabet, rather than a syllabary.<br />
** If anyone knows Lojban or Japanese, please feel free to edit and add a Lojban translation.</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Alternate_orthographies&diff=123353Alternate orthographies2019-07-06T14:40:19Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>{{See_also|Lojban Ideography}}<br />
{{See also|Lojban orthographies}}<br />
{{See_also|Technical Issues With Alternate Orthographies}}<br />
== Latin ==<br />
*A [[Loglan]]-compatible orthography for the purposes of reapproachment with the [[TLI|TLI]] has been proposed<ref>http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9602/msg00071.html</ref>. Since the reapproachment never eventuated, the proposal is in limbo.<br />
*[[And Rosta]] is notorious for using (but only prior to the baseline and publication of [[Codex Woldemar|Woldy]]!) and [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]] is still sympathetic to, [[apostropheless alternative orthographies]].<br />
*It's been proposed to use acute ('''´''') and grave ('''`''') accent marks instead of those ugly capitals in order to mark stress. It's not ASCII, but it's still Latin-1<br />
*[[Capitals as letter names]]<br />
*[[Lojban calligraphy|Lojban calligraphy]]<br />
*[[la krulermorna]]<br />
<br />
== Extant Scripts ==<br />
* [[Hanzi orthography]]<br />
* [[The Book|CLL]] describes a Cyrillic orthography for Lojban, devised by [[Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]]. The equivalences are as you'd expect; '''y''' is represented by ъ (the hard sign, as in Bulgarian). As originally designed, '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' was represented by ь (the soft sign), but in the Book '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' is used unchanged. Period and comma are also unchanged.<br />
*[[Hebrew Orthography]] by [[Adam]] & [[.aulun.]] finally based on Yiddish writing conventions (proving to be best for Lojban).<br />
*[[Arabic Orthography|Arabic Orthography]]<ref>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/1fe6b70c875c3a2b</ref> by [[.filip.]] <br />
*orthography for [[estrangela]] by [[.kreig.daniyl.]]<br />
*A [[Katakana Orthography|Katakana]] orthography is being mooted.<br />
** About to lose his last sense for rationality, [[.aulun.]] pondered about a [[Hiragana|Hiragana]] script for Lojban.<br />
** Katakana and Hiragana could be mixed too which would be even more weird.<br />
** A kana alphabet for Lojban by Mediator64 can be found on [[la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban]]<br />
*[[Mongolian|Mongolian]] orthography<br />
* [[Manchu orthography|Manchu]] orthography<br />
*[[Devanagari orthography|Devanagari]] orthography<br />
*[[Hangul|Hangul]] orthography<br />
*[[Georgian Orthography|Georgian ]]<nowiki/>orthography<br />
*[[jbopomofo|jbopomofo]]<br />
**[[lo jbopomofo]] is another proposal by Mediator64<br />
*The Tibetan script may be used to write lojban according to [[lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban]] by Mediator64<br />
== Fictional Scripts ==<br />
*The [http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/relipper/tolkien/rootpage.html Tolkien] script [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4948/tengwar/index.htm Tengwar] has been [[Tengwar|proposed as another way of writing Lojban]]. The proposal originally came from prominent ex-Lojbanist [http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/ Eric Raymond], which has made its repute spread far and wide.<br />
**"[[Why Tengwar?]]", a discussion on whether this is a Good Thing.<br />
*[[Apollonian alphabet|Apollonian alphabet]]<br />
*[[Verdurian orthography|Verdurian orthography]] by [[pne|pne]]<br />
<br />
== Original Scripts ==<br />
*[[srilermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
* [[zbalermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9a0a9c276e6f8f1f larlermorna] by [[User:Lindar|Lindar]]<br />
*[https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiofPj-7nZpwdHppa3oxU2hGUDdQSWxmZDhaWTdBaUE&hl=en&authkey=CJyrpOQD Ctino's version] of [http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html Elian script]<br />
<br />
== Related silliness ==<br />
* [[R2D2 Lojban]]<br />
* [[Proper Lojban Orthography|Proper Lojban Orthography]]<br />
* [[Hungarian orthography]]<br />
==References==<br />
<references /></div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_.lojban.&diff=123352lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.2019-07-06T14:37:33Z<p>Mediator64: Mediator64 moved page lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la .lojban. to lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban: Less controversial</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban]]</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123351lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T14:37:32Z<p>Mediator64: Mediator64 moved page lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la .lojban. to lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban: Less controversial</p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
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EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
* “da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
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<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna .e lo relkarsna (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa .a zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu sepli zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=la_.kanas._cu_vlaleci%27e_la_.lojban.&diff=123350la .kanas. cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.2019-07-06T14:35:26Z<p>Mediator64: Mediator64 moved page la .kanas. cu vlaleci'e la .lojban. to la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban: Less controversial</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban]]</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=la_kanas_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123349la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T14:35:26Z<p>Mediator64: Mediator64 moved page la .kanas. cu vlaleci'e la .lojban. to la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban: Less controversial</p>
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<div>カタカナとひらがなはロジバンを表すかもしれない本当のアルファベットにすることができます。日本語の音節はロジバンの音節をうまく表記できないため、アルファベットが好ましい場合があります。ひらがなはネイティブのロジバン語に使用され、カタカナは名前と外来語に使用されます。<br />
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Katakana and hiragana can be made into true alphabets that may represent Lojban. Alphabets might be preferable, since the Japanese syllabary cannot pleasantly transcribe Lojban syllables. Hiragana is used for native Lojban words, while katakana is used for names and foreign words.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
<br />
|+ la kanas cu binxo lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
! lo xirgana !! lo katkana !! lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あ || ア || a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| い || イ || i (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆ || ユ || i (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| う || ウ || u (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わ || ワ || u (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| え || エ || e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| お || オ || o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゝ || ヽ || y<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| く || ク || k<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぐ || グ || g<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| す || ス || s<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| し || シ || c<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ず || ズ || z<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| じ || ジ || j<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| と || ト || t<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ち || チ || tc<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| つ || ツ || ts<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ど || ド || d<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぢ || ヂ || dj<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| づ || ヅ || dz<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ほ || ホ || '<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| は || ハ || x<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ふ || フ || f<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゔ || ヴ || v<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぶ || ブ || b<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぷ || プ || p<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| も || モ || m (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| む || ム || m (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ん || ン || n (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぬ || ヌ || n (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ろ || ロ || r (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| る || ル || r (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| れ || レ || l (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| り || リ || l (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| っ || ッ || .<br />
<br />
|}<br />
*「slaka」は母音または音節子音を表し、「na slaka」は半母音または非音節子音を表します。<br />
*"slaka" notates a vowel or a syllabic consonant, while "na slaka" notates a semivowel or a non-syllabic consonant.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
<br />
|+ lo karsna orne<br />
<br />
! lo xirgana !! lo katkana !! lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あわ || アワ || au<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あう || アウ || a,u<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あゆ || アユ || ai<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あい || アイ || a,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| えゆ || えユ || ei<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| えい || えイ || e,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| おゆ || オユ || oi<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| おい || オイ || o,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆあ || ユア || ia<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いあ || イア || i,a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆい || ユイ || ii<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆう || ユウ || iu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いう || イウ || i,u<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆえ || ユえ || ie<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いえ || イえ || i,e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆお || ユオ || io<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いお || イオ || i,o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆゝ || ユヽ || iy<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いゝ || イヽ || i,y<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わあ || ワア || ua<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うあ || ウア || u,a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わい || ワイ || ui<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うい || ウイ || u,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わう || ワウ || uu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わえ || ワえ || ue<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うえ || ウえ || u,e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わお || ワオ || uo<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うお || ウオ || u,o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わゝ || ワヽ || uy<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うゝ || ウヽ || u,y<br />
<br />
|}<br />
<br />
(文法や語彙の間違いを直すのを手伝ってください。ロジバンを理解しているのなら、翻訳を追加してください。Please help in correcting any grammatical or vocabulary mistakes you see. If you understand Lojban, please add a translation.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Alternate_orthographies&diff=123344Alternate orthographies2019-07-06T04:34:06Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>{{See_also|Lojban Ideography}}<br />
{{See also|Lojban orthographies}}<br />
{{See_also|Technical Issues With Alternate Orthographies}}<br />
== Latin ==<br />
*A [[Loglan]]-compatible orthography for the purposes of reapproachment with the [[TLI|TLI]] has been proposed<ref>http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9602/msg00071.html</ref>. Since the reapproachment never eventuated, the proposal is in limbo.<br />
*[[And Rosta]] is notorious for using (but only prior to the baseline and publication of [[Codex Woldemar|Woldy]]!) and [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]] is still sympathetic to, [[apostropheless alternative orthographies]].<br />
*It's been proposed to use acute ('''´''') and grave ('''`''') accent marks instead of those ugly capitals in order to mark stress. It's not ASCII, but it's still Latin-1<br />
*[[Capitals as letter names]]<br />
*[[Lojban calligraphy|Lojban calligraphy]]<br />
*[[la krulermorna]]<br />
<br />
== Extant Scripts ==<br />
* [[Hanzi orthography]]<br />
* [[The Book|CLL]] describes a Cyrillic orthography for Lojban, devised by [[Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]]. The equivalences are as you'd expect; '''y''' is represented by ъ (the hard sign, as in Bulgarian). As originally designed, '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' was represented by ь (the soft sign), but in the Book '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' is used unchanged. Period and comma are also unchanged.<br />
*[[Hebrew Orthography]] by [[Adam]] & [[.aulun.]] finally based on Yiddish writing conventions (proving to be best for Lojban).<br />
*[[Arabic Orthography|Arabic Orthography]]<ref>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/1fe6b70c875c3a2b</ref> by [[.filip.]] <br />
*orthography for [[estrangela]] by [[.kreig.daniyl.]]<br />
*A [[Katakana Orthography|Katakana]] orthography is being mooted.<br />
** About to lose his last sense for rationality, [[.aulun.]] pondered about a [[Hiragana|Hiragana]] script for Lojban.<br />
** Katakana and Hiragana could be mixed too which would be even more weird.<br />
** A kana alphabet for Lojban by Mediator64 can be found on [[la .kanas. cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.]]<br />
*[[Mongolian|Mongolian]] orthography<br />
* [[Manchu orthography|Manchu]] orthography<br />
*[[Devanagari orthography|Devanagari]] orthography<br />
*[[Hangul|Hangul]] orthography<br />
*[[Georgian Orthography|Georgian ]]<nowiki/>orthography<br />
*[[jbopomofo|jbopomofo]]<br />
**[[lo jbopomofo]]<br />
*The Tibetan script may be used to write lojban according to [[lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.]] by Mediator64<br />
== Fictional Scripts ==<br />
*The [http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/relipper/tolkien/rootpage.html Tolkien] script [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4948/tengwar/index.htm Tengwar] has been [[Tengwar|proposed as another way of writing Lojban]]. The proposal originally came from prominent ex-Lojbanist [http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/ Eric Raymond], which has made its repute spread far and wide.<br />
**"[[Why Tengwar?]]", a discussion on whether this is a Good Thing.<br />
*[[Apollonian alphabet|Apollonian alphabet]]<br />
*[[Verdurian orthography|Verdurian orthography]] by [[pne|pne]]<br />
<br />
== Original Scripts ==<br />
*[[srilermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
* [[zbalermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9a0a9c276e6f8f1f larlermorna] by [[User:Lindar|Lindar]]<br />
*[https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiofPj-7nZpwdHppa3oxU2hGUDdQSWxmZDhaWTdBaUE&hl=en&authkey=CJyrpOQD Ctino's version] of [http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html Elian script]<br />
<br />
== Related silliness ==<br />
* [[R2D2 Lojban]]<br />
* [[Proper Lojban Orthography|Proper Lojban Orthography]]<br />
* [[Hungarian orthography]]<br />
==References==<br />
<references /></div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jbopomofo&diff=123343lo jbopomofo2019-07-06T04:31:38Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>This is a proposal for how lojban may be written in zhuyin/bopomofo.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo jbopomofo<br />
! lo latmu lerfu !! lo jbopomofo jugle’u<br />
|-<br />
| b || ㄅ<br />
|-<br />
| p || ㄆ<br />
|-<br />
| m (na slaka) || ㄇ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ㄩ<br />
|-<br />
| f || ㄈ<br />
|-<br />
| d || ㄉ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ㄊ<br />
|-<br />
| n (na slaka) || ㄋ<br />
|-<br />
| l || ㄌ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ㄦ<br />
|-<br />
| k || ㄎ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ㄍ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ㄏ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ㄕ<br />
|-<br />
| j || ㄖ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ㄙ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ㄒ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ㄘ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ㄗ<br />
|-<br />
| a || ㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| o || ㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| n (slaka) || ㄣ<br />
|-<br />
| m (slaka) || ㄥ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ㄞ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ㄟ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ㄠ<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ㄡ<br />
|-<br />
| a,i || ㄚㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| e,i || ㄝㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| a,u || ㄚㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| o,i || ㄛㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ㄧㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| io || ㄧㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ㄧㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ㄧㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ㄧㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ㄧㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ㄨㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ㄨㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ㄨㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ㄨㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ㄨㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ㄨㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || ˙<br />
|-<br />
| , || ˊ<br />
|-<br />
| . || ˋ<br />
|-<br />
| basna || ˇ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
*"slaka" notates a syllabic consonant, while "na slaka" notates a non-syllabic consonant.<br />
*“basna” means stress. Because pauses and stress generally follow specific rules, ˋ and ˇ rarely have to be written.<br />
*ˊ only has to notate a change in syllables between ㄧ/ㄨ (i/u) and a following vowel. ˊ may also be used if one wants to make clear that ㄌ/ㄦ (l/r) is syllabic and thus a separate syllable from any vowel or other syllabic consonant.</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jbopomofo&diff=123342lo jbopomofo2019-07-06T04:29:10Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>This is a proposal for how lojban may be written in bopomofo.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo jbopomofo<br />
! lo latmu lerfu !! lo jbopomofo jugle’u<br />
|-<br />
| b || ㄅ<br />
|-<br />
| p || ㄆ<br />
|-<br />
| m (na slaka) || ㄇ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ㄩ<br />
|-<br />
| f || ㄈ<br />
|-<br />
| d || ㄉ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ㄊ<br />
|-<br />
| n (na slaka) || ㄋ<br />
|-<br />
| l || ㄌ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ㄦ<br />
|-<br />
| k || ㄎ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ㄍ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ㄏ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ㄕ<br />
|-<br />
| j || ㄖ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ㄙ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ㄒ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ㄘ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ㄗ<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
|-<br />
| a || ㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| o || ㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| n (slaka) || ㄣ<br />
|-<br />
| m (slaka) || ㄥ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ㄞ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ㄟ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ㄠ<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ㄡ<br />
|-<br />
| a,i || ㄚㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| e,i || ㄝㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| a,u || ㄚㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| o,i || ㄛㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ㄧㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| io || ㄧㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ㄧㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ㄧㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ㄧㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ㄧㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ㄨㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ㄨㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ㄨㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ㄨㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ㄨㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ㄨㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || ˙<br />
|-<br />
| , || ˊ<br />
|-<br />
| . || ˋ<br />
|-<br />
| basna || ˇ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
"slaka" notates a syllabic consonant, while "na slaka" notates a non-syllabic consonant.<br />
“basna” means stress. Because pauses and stress generally follow specific rules, ˋ and ˇ rarely have to be written.<br />
ˊ only has to notate a change in syllables between ㄧ/ㄨ (i/u) and a following vowel. ˊ may also be used if one wants to make clear that ㄌ/ㄦ (l/r) is syllabic and thus a separate syllable from any vowel or other syllabic consonant.</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jbopomofo&diff=123341lo jbopomofo2019-07-06T03:38:01Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>This is a proposal for how lojban may be written in bopomofo.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo jbopomofo<br />
! lo latmu lerfu !! lo jbopomofo jugle’u<br />
|-<br />
| b || ㄅ<br />
|-<br />
| p || ㄆ<br />
|-<br />
| m (na slaka) || ㄇ<br />
|-<br />
| f || ㄈ<br />
|-<br />
| d || ㄉ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ㄊ<br />
|-<br />
| n (na slaka) || ㄋ<br />
|-<br />
| l || ㄌ<br />
|-<br />
| k || ㄎ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ㄍ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ㄏ<br />
|-<br />
| || <br />
|-<br />
| a || ㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| o || ㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ㄜ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ㄝ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ㄧ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ㄨ<br />
|-<br />
| n (slaka) || ㄣ<br />
|-<br />
| m (slaka) || ㄥ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ㄞ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ㄟ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ㄠ<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ㄡ<br />
|-<br />
| || ㄧㄚ<br />
|-<br />
| || ㄧㄛ<br />
|-<br />
| || <br />
|-<br />
| || <br />
|-<br />
| || ㄧ|-<br />
| || <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
|}</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jbopomofo&diff=123340lo jbopomofo2019-07-06T03:22:10Z<p>Mediator64: Created page with "This is a proposal for how lojban may be written in bopomofo. {| class="wikitable" |+ caption ! lo latmu lerfu !! lo jbopomofo jugle’u |- | b || ㄅ |- | p || ㄆ |- | m (..."</p>
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<div>This is a proposal for how lojban may be written in bopomofo.<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ caption<br />
! lo latmu lerfu !! lo jbopomofo jugle’u<br />
|-<br />
| b || ㄅ<br />
|-<br />
| p || ㄆ<br />
|-<br />
| m (na slaka) || ㄇ<br />
|-<br />
| f || ㄈ<br />
|-<br />
| d || ㄉ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ㄊ<br />
|-<br />
| n (na slaka) || ㄋ<br />
|-<br />
| l || ㄌ<br />
|-<br />
| k || ㄎ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ㄍ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ㄏ<br />
|-<br />
| || <br />
|}</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123339lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T02:23:50Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
* “da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna .e lo relkarsna (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa .a zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu sepli zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123338lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T02:21:55Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
<hr />
<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
* “da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo karsna orne (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa .a zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu sepli zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123337lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T02:21:24Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
<hr />
<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
* ”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo karsna orne (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa .a zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu sepli zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123336lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T02:20:40Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo karsna orne (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo jungoxuzu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa .a zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu sepli zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123335lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T02:19:31Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna (consonants)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo bangotubu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo karsna orne (vowels)<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo bangotubu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata (other)<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa .a zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu sepli zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
(If you know the Tibetan language or another language using the Tibetan script, please add a translation. Please also fix any grammatical mistakes you may see.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Alternate_orthographies&diff=123334Alternate orthographies2019-07-06T02:00:56Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{See_also|Lojban Ideography}}<br />
{{See also|Lojban orthographies}}<br />
{{See_also|Technical Issues With Alternate Orthographies}}<br />
== Latin ==<br />
*A [[Loglan]]-compatible orthography for the purposes of reapproachment with the [[TLI|TLI]] has been proposed<ref>http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9602/msg00071.html</ref>. Since the reapproachment never eventuated, the proposal is in limbo.<br />
*[[And Rosta]] is notorious for using (but only prior to the baseline and publication of [[Codex Woldemar|Woldy]]!) and [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]] is still sympathetic to, [[apostropheless alternative orthographies]].<br />
*It's been proposed to use acute ('''´''') and grave ('''`''') accent marks instead of those ugly capitals in order to mark stress. It's not ASCII, but it's still Latin-1<br />
*[[Capitals as letter names]]<br />
*[[Lojban calligraphy|Lojban calligraphy]]<br />
*[[la krulermorna]]<br />
<br />
== Extant Scripts ==<br />
* [[Hanzi orthography]]<br />
* [[The Book|CLL]] describes a Cyrillic orthography for Lojban, devised by [[Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]]. The equivalences are as you'd expect; '''y''' is represented by ъ (the hard sign, as in Bulgarian). As originally designed, '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' was represented by ь (the soft sign), but in the Book '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' is used unchanged. Period and comma are also unchanged.<br />
*[[Hebrew Orthography]] by [[Adam]] & [[.aulun.]] finally based on Yiddish writing conventions (proving to be best for Lojban).<br />
*[[Arabic Orthography|Arabic Orthography]]<ref>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/1fe6b70c875c3a2b</ref> by [[.filip.]] <br />
*orthography for [[estrangela]] by [[.kreig.daniyl.]]<br />
*A [[Katakana Orthography|Katakana]] orthography is being mooted.<br />
** About to lose his last sense for rationality, [[.aulun.]] pondered about a [[Hiragana|Hiragana]] script for Lojban.<br />
** Katakana and Hiragana could be mixed too which would be even more weird.<br />
** A kana alphabet for Lojban by Mediator64 can be found on [[la .kanas. cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.]]<br />
*[[Mongolian|Mongolian]] orthography<br />
* [[Manchu orthography|Manchu]] orthography<br />
*[[Devanagari orthography|Devanagari]] orthography<br />
*[[Hangul|Hangul]] orthography<br />
*[[Georgian Orthography|Georgian ]]<nowiki/>orthography<br />
*[[jbopomofo|jbopomofo]]<br />
*The Tibetan script may be used to write lojban according to [[lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.]] by Mediator64<br />
== Fictional Scripts ==<br />
*The [http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/relipper/tolkien/rootpage.html Tolkien] script [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4948/tengwar/index.htm Tengwar] has been [[Tengwar|proposed as another way of writing Lojban]]. The proposal originally came from prominent ex-Lojbanist [http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/ Eric Raymond], which has made its repute spread far and wide.<br />
**"[[Why Tengwar?]]", a discussion on whether this is a Good Thing.<br />
*[[Apollonian alphabet|Apollonian alphabet]]<br />
*[[Verdurian orthography|Verdurian orthography]] by [[pne|pne]]<br />
<br />
== Original Scripts ==<br />
*[[srilermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
* [[zbalermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9a0a9c276e6f8f1f larlermorna] by [[User:Lindar|Lindar]]<br />
*[https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiofPj-7nZpwdHppa3oxU2hGUDdQSWxmZDhaWTdBaUE&hl=en&authkey=CJyrpOQD Ctino's version] of [http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html Elian script]<br />
<br />
== Related silliness ==<br />
* [[R2D2 Lojban]]<br />
* [[Proper Lojban Orthography|Proper Lojban Orthography]]<br />
* [[Hungarian orthography]]<br />
==References==<br />
<references /></div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Alternate_orthographies&diff=123333Alternate orthographies2019-07-06T02:00:02Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{See_also|Lojban Ideography}}<br />
{{See also|Lojban orthographies}}<br />
{{See_also|Technical Issues With Alternate Orthographies}}<br />
== Latin ==<br />
*A [[Loglan]]-compatible orthography for the purposes of reapproachment with the [[TLI|TLI]] has been proposed<ref>http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9602/msg00071.html</ref>. Since the reapproachment never eventuated, the proposal is in limbo.<br />
*[[And Rosta]] is notorious for using (but only prior to the baseline and publication of [[Codex Woldemar|Woldy]]!) and [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]] is still sympathetic to, [[apostropheless alternative orthographies]].<br />
*It's been proposed to use acute ('''´''') and grave ('''`''') accent marks instead of those ugly capitals in order to mark stress. It's not ASCII, but it's still Latin-1<br />
*[[Capitals as letter names]]<br />
*[[Lojban calligraphy|Lojban calligraphy]]<br />
*[[la krulermorna]]<br />
<br />
== Extant Scripts ==<br />
* [[Hanzi orthography]]<br />
* [[The Book|CLL]] describes a Cyrillic orthography for Lojban, devised by [[Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]]. The equivalences are as you'd expect; '''y''' is represented by ъ (the hard sign, as in Bulgarian). As originally designed, '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' was represented by ь (the soft sign), but in the Book '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' is used unchanged. Period and comma are also unchanged.<br />
*[[Hebrew Orthography]] by [[Adam]] & [[.aulun.]] finally based on Yiddish writing conventions (proving to be best for Lojban).<br />
*[[Arabic Orthography|Arabic Orthography]]<ref>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/1fe6b70c875c3a2b</ref> by [[.filip.]] <br />
*orthography for [[estrangela]] by [[.kreig.daniyl.]]<br />
*A [[Katakana Orthography|Katakana]] orthography is being mooted.<br />
** About to lose his last sense for rationality, [[.aulun.]] pondered about a [[Hiragana|Hiragana]] script for Lojban.<br />
** Katakana and Hiragana could be mixed too which would be even more weird.<br />
** A kana alphabet for Lojban by Mediator64 can be found on [[la .kanas. cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.]]<br />
*[[Mongolian|Mongolian]] orthography<br />
* [[Manchu orthography|Manchu]] orthography<br />
*[[Devanagari orthography|Devanagari]] orthography<br />
*[[Hangul|Hangul]] orthography<br />
*[[Georgian Orthography|Georgian ]]<nowiki/>orthography<br />
*[[jbopomofo|jbopomofo]]<br />
*The Tibetan script may be used to write lojban according to [[lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.<br />
]] by Mediator64<br />
== Fictional Scripts ==<br />
*The [http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/relipper/tolkien/rootpage.html Tolkien] script [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4948/tengwar/index.htm Tengwar] has been [[Tengwar|proposed as another way of writing Lojban]]. The proposal originally came from prominent ex-Lojbanist [http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/ Eric Raymond], which has made its repute spread far and wide.<br />
**"[[Why Tengwar?]]", a discussion on whether this is a Good Thing.<br />
*[[Apollonian alphabet|Apollonian alphabet]]<br />
*[[Verdurian orthography|Verdurian orthography]] by [[pne|pne]]<br />
<br />
== Original Scripts ==<br />
*[[srilermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
* [[zbalermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9a0a9c276e6f8f1f larlermorna] by [[User:Lindar|Lindar]]<br />
*[https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiofPj-7nZpwdHppa3oxU2hGUDdQSWxmZDhaWTdBaUE&hl=en&authkey=CJyrpOQD Ctino's version] of [http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html Elian script]<br />
<br />
== Related silliness ==<br />
* [[R2D2 Lojban]]<br />
* [[Proper Lojban Orthography|Proper Lojban Orthography]]<br />
* [[Hungarian orthography]]<br />
==References==<br />
<references /></div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123332lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T01:57:16Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo bangotubu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo karsna orne<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo bangotubu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa .a zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu sepli zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu<br />
|}</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=katakana_orthography&diff=123331katakana orthography2019-07-06T01:56:04Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>{{se inspekte/en}}If we had a katakana orthography (not like I expect that to be easy) we might could appeal to the anime crowd. Just a thought.<br />
* [[Jay Kominek]]:<br />
** That is an awfully interesting idea. Might even be possible. How would consonant clusters be done, though?<br />
** Hell, how would any C not followed by V be done? And what do you do with the '''n''' consonant symbol? Give it to "n" or "m"?<br />
** .aulun.:<br />
*** Awfully fancyful people around here ;-) : Don't like Katakana as much as I'm fond of [[Hiragana|Hiragana]] (Firakana)!<br />
*** But speaking honestly, for what <u>rational</u> reason should a syllabic alphabet like this, tailored for a language with a very special phonemic system like Japanese, be adjusted for Lojban? - But yes, it would be very, very nice to have it. So I was playing around a bit with Fontographer and a Hiragana font to maybe get some idea... Yet, it's horrible a task:<br />
*** E.g. we needed to modify characters for '''lb''', '''c''', '''l''', '''f''' and '''x''' - '''l''' maybe by adding a nigori to "r", '''f''' by using the "h", unless we don't take that for '''x'''. We'd have to invent some more diacritical marks beside "nigori" and "maru" (at least one for kind of "schwa" to indicate the syllable as being "vowelless" (i.e. being a consonant).<br />
*** So, don't think it's impossible... (... for doing your Lojban poems in Hiragana calligraphy - let us fetch some ink, brush and paper...)<br />
* You can use the Japanese people's double-kana tricks for writing '''fa''', '''fi''', '''fe''', '''fo''', for instance.<br />
** How does this work?<br />
*** Try "fu" plus a small vowel kana.<br />
*** And as for Lojban '''x''', I think the Japanese try to imitate this sound by putting a small "tsu" in front of a kana such as "ha". So '''xa''' would be "(small tsu) (ha)".<br />
*Mediator64<br />
**I created a full kana orthography for Lojban, with hiragana for native Lojban words and katakana for names and foreign words. You can see it at [[la .kanas. cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.]] I did not think having a ton of small vowel kana would make sense in Lojban, so I made it into an alphabet, rather than a syllabary.<br />
** If anyone knows Lojban or Japanese, please feel free to edit and add a Lojban translation.</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Alternate_orthographies&diff=123330Alternate orthographies2019-07-06T01:55:13Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{See_also|Lojban Ideography}}<br />
{{See also|Lojban orthographies}}<br />
{{See_also|Technical Issues With Alternate Orthographies}}<br />
== Latin ==<br />
*A [[Loglan]]-compatible orthography for the purposes of reapproachment with the [[TLI|TLI]] has been proposed<ref>http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9602/msg00071.html</ref>. Since the reapproachment never eventuated, the proposal is in limbo.<br />
*[[And Rosta]] is notorious for using (but only prior to the baseline and publication of [[Codex Woldemar|Woldy]]!) and [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]] is still sympathetic to, [[apostropheless alternative orthographies]].<br />
*It's been proposed to use acute ('''´''') and grave ('''`''') accent marks instead of those ugly capitals in order to mark stress. It's not ASCII, but it's still Latin-1<br />
*[[Capitals as letter names]]<br />
*[[Lojban calligraphy|Lojban calligraphy]]<br />
*[[la krulermorna]]<br />
<br />
== Extant Scripts ==<br />
* [[Hanzi orthography]]<br />
* [[The Book|CLL]] describes a Cyrillic orthography for Lojban, devised by [[Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]]. The equivalences are as you'd expect; '''y''' is represented by ъ (the hard sign, as in Bulgarian). As originally designed, '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' was represented by ь (the soft sign), but in the Book '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' is used unchanged. Period and comma are also unchanged.<br />
*[[Hebrew Orthography]] by [[Adam]] & [[.aulun.]] finally based on Yiddish writing conventions (proving to be best for Lojban).<br />
*[[Arabic Orthography|Arabic Orthography]]<ref>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/1fe6b70c875c3a2b</ref> by [[.filip.]] <br />
*orthography for [[estrangela]] by [[.kreig.daniyl.]]<br />
*A [[Katakana Orthography|Katakana]] orthography is being mooted.<br />
** About to lose his last sense for rationality, [[.aulun.]] pondered about a [[Hiragana|Hiragana]] script for Lojban.<br />
** Katakana and Hiragana could be mixed too which would be even more weird.<br />
** A kana alphabet for Lojban by Mediator64 can be found on [[la .kanas. cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.]]<br />
*[[Mongolian|Mongolian]] orthography<br />
* [[Manchu orthography|Manchu]] orthography<br />
*[[Devanagari orthography|Devanagari]] orthography<br />
*[[Hangul|Hangul]] orthography<br />
*[[Georgian Orthography|Georgian ]]<nowiki/>orthography<br />
*[[jbopomofo|jbopomofo]]<br />
<br />
== Fictional Scripts ==<br />
*The [http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/relipper/tolkien/rootpage.html Tolkien] script [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4948/tengwar/index.htm Tengwar] has been [[Tengwar|proposed as another way of writing Lojban]]. The proposal originally came from prominent ex-Lojbanist [http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/ Eric Raymond], which has made its repute spread far and wide.<br />
**"[[Why Tengwar?]]", a discussion on whether this is a Good Thing.<br />
*[[Apollonian alphabet|Apollonian alphabet]]<br />
*[[Verdurian orthography|Verdurian orthography]] by [[pne|pne]]<br />
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== Original Scripts ==<br />
*[[srilermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
* [[zbalermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]<br />
*[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9a0a9c276e6f8f1f larlermorna] by [[User:Lindar|Lindar]]<br />
*[https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiofPj-7nZpwdHppa3oxU2hGUDdQSWxmZDhaWTdBaUE&hl=en&authkey=CJyrpOQD Ctino's version] of [http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html Elian script]<br />
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== Related silliness ==<br />
* [[R2D2 Lojban]]<br />
* [[Proper Lojban Orthography|Proper Lojban Orthography]]<br />
* [[Hungarian orthography]]<br />
==References==<br />
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<div>カタカナとひらがなはロジバンを表すかもしれない本当のアルファベットにすることができます。日本語の音節はロジバンの音節をうまく表記できないため、アルファベットが好ましい場合があります。ひらがなはネイティブのロジバン語に使用され、カタカナは名前と外来語に使用されます。<br />
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Katakana and hiragana can be made into true alphabets that may represent Lojban. Alphabets might be preferable, since the Japanese syllabary cannot pleasantly transcribe Lojban syllables. Hiragana is used for native Lojban words, while katakana is used for names and foreign words.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
<br />
|+ la kanas cu binxo lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
! lo xirgana !! lo katkana !! lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あ || ア || a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| い || イ || i (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆ || ユ || i (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| う || ウ || u (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わ || ワ || u (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| え || エ || e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| お || オ || o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゝ || ヽ || y<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| く || ク || k<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぐ || グ || g<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| す || ス || s<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| し || シ || c<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ず || ズ || z<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| じ || ジ || j<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| と || ト || t<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ち || チ || tc<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| つ || ツ || ts<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ど || ド || d<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぢ || ヂ || dj<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| づ || ヅ || dz<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ほ || ホ || '<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| は || ハ || x<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ふ || フ || f<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゔ || ヴ || v<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぶ || ブ || b<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぷ || プ || p<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| も || モ || m (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| む || ム || m (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ん || ン || n (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぬ || ヌ || n (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ろ || ロ || r (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| る || ル || r (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| れ || レ || l (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| り || リ || l (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| っ || ッ || .<br />
<br />
|}<br />
*「slaka」は母音または音節子音を表し、「na slaka」は半母音または非音節子音を表します。<br />
*"slaka" notates a vowel or a syllabic consonant, while "na slaka" notates a semivowel or a non-syllabic consonant.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
<br />
|+ lo karsna orne<br />
<br />
! lo xirgana !! lo katkana !! lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あわ || アワ || au<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あう || アウ || a,u<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あゆ || アユ || ai<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あい || アイ || a,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| えゆ || えユ || ei<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| えい || えイ || e,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| おゆ || オユ || oi<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| おい || オイ || o,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆあ || ユア || ia<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いあ || イア || i,a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆい || ユイ || ii<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆう || ユウ || iu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いう || イウ || i,u<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆえ || ユえ || ie<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いえ || イえ || i,e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆお || ユオ || io<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いお || イオ || i,o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆゝ || ユヽ || iy<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いゝ || イヽ || i,y<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わあ || ワア || ua<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うあ || ウア || u,a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わい || ワイ || ui<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うい || ウイ || u,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わう || ワウ || uu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わえ || ワえ || ue<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うえ || ウえ || u,e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わお || ワオ || uo<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うお || ウオ || u,o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わゝ || ワヽ || uy<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うゝ || ウヽ || u,y<br />
<br />
|}<br />
<br />
(文法や語彙の間違いを直すのを手伝ってください。ロジバンを理解しているのなら、翻訳を追加してください。Please help in correcting any grammatical or vocabulary mistakes you see. If you understand Lojban, please add a translation.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=la_kanas_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123327la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T01:53:35Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>カタカナとひらがなはロジバンを表すかもしれない本当のアルファベットにすることができます。日本語の音節はロジバンの音節をうまく表記できないため、アルファベットが好ましい場合があります。ひらがなはネイティブのロジバン語に使用され、カタカナは名前と外来語に使用されます。<br />
<br />
Katakana and hiragana can be made into true alphabets that may represent Lojban. Alphabets might be preferable, since the Japanese syllabary cannot pleasantly transcribe Lojban syllables. Hiragana is used for native Lojban words, while katakana is used for names and foreign words.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
<br />
|+ la kanas cu binxo lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
! lo xirgana !! lo katkana !! lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あ || ア || a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| い || イ || i (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆ || ユ || i (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| う || ウ || u (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わ || ワ || u (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| え || エ || e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| お || オ || o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゝ || ヽ || y<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| く || ク || k<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぐ || グ || g<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| す || ス || s<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| し || シ || c<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ず || ズ || z<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| じ || ジ || j<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| と || ト || t<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ち || チ || tc<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| つ || ツ || ts<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ど || ド || d<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぢ || ヂ || dj<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| づ || ヅ || dz<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ほ || ホ || '<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| は || ハ || x<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ふ || フ || f<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゔ || ヴ || v<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぶ || ブ || b<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぷ || プ || p<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| も || モ || m (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| む || ム || m (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ん || ン || n (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ぬ || ヌ || n (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ろ || ロ || r (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| る || ル || r (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| れ || レ || l (slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| り || リ || l (na slaka)<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| っ || ッ || .<br />
<br />
|}<br />
*「slaka」は母音または音節子音を表し、「na slaka」は半母音または非音節子音を表します。<br />
*"slaka" notates a vowel or a syllabic consonant, while "na slaka" notates a semivowel or a non-syllabic consonant.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
<br />
|+ lo karsna orne<br />
<br />
! lo xirgana !! lo katkana !! lo latmo lerfu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あわ || アワ || au<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あう || アウ || a,u<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あゆ || アユ || ai<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| あい || アイ || a,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| えゆ || えユ || ei<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| えい || えイ || e,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| おゆ || オユ || oi<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| おい || オイ || o,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆあ || ユア || ia<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いあ || イア || i,a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆい || ユイ || ii<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆう || ユウ || iu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いう || イウ || i,u<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆえ || ユえ || ie<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いえ || イえ || i,e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆお || ユオ || io<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いお || イオ || i,o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| ゆゝ || ユヽ || iy<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| いゝ || イヽ || i,y<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わあ || ワア || ua<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うあ || ウア || u,a<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わい || ワイ || ui<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うい || ウイ || u,i<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わう || ワウ || uu<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わえ || ワえ || ue<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うえ || ウえ || u,e<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わお || ワオ || uo<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うお || ウオ || u,o<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| わゝ || ワヽ || uy<br />
<br />
|-<br />
<br />
| うゝ || ウヽ || u,y<br />
<br />
|}<br />
<br />
(文法や語彙の間違いを直すのを手伝ってください。ロジバンを理解しているのなら、翻訳を追加してください。Please help in correcting any grammatical or vocabulary mistakes you see. If you understand Lojban, please add a translation.)</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=la_.utcen._cu_vlaleci%27e_la_.lojban.&diff=123326la .utcen. cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.2019-07-06T01:51:16Z<p>Mediator64: Mediator64 moved page la .utcen. cu vlaleci'e la .lojban. to lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la .lojban.: More accurate title</p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo bangotubu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo karsna orne<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo bangotubu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa .a zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu sepli zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu<br />
|}</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123324lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T01:46:27Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo bangotubu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
|}<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo karsna orne<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo bangotubu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
|}<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa .a zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu sepli zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu<br />
|}</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123323lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-06T01:45:47Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
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EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
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EX: ཨ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = ཨུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡེ (ie)<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo zunsna<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo bangotubu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ<br />
|-<br />
| g || ག<br />
|-<br />
| d || ད<br />
|-<br />
| b || བ<br />
|-<br />
| n || ན<br />
|-<br />
| m || མ<br />
|-<br />
| r || ར<br />
|-<br />
| l || ལ<br />
|-<br />
| c || ཤ<br />
|-<br />
| s || ས<br />
|-<br />
| f || ང<br />
|-<br />
| j || ཞ<br />
|-<br />
| z || ཟ<br />
|-<br />
| v || ཉ<br />
|-<br />
| x || ཧ<br />
|-<br />
| ‘ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| tc || ཅ<br />
|-<br />
| ts || ཙ<br />
|-<br />
| dj || ཇ<br />
|-<br />
| dz || ཛ<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || ཨ<br />
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|}<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo karsna e lo karsna orne<br />
! lo latmo lerfu !! lo bangotubu lerfu<br />
|-<br />
| a || ཾ<br />
|-<br />
| e || ེ<br />
|-<br />
| i || ི<br />
|-<br />
| o || ོ<br />
|-<br />
| u || ུ<br />
|-<br />
| y || ྭ<br />
|-<br />
| ai || ཻ<br />
|-<br />
| au || ཽ<br />
|-<br />
| ei || ྄<br />
|-<br />
| oi || ཱ<br />
|-<br />
| ia || ཡཻ<br />
|-<br />
| ie || ཡེ<br />
|-<br />
| ii || ཡི<br />
|-<br />
| io || ཡོ<br />
|-<br />
| iu || ཡུ<br />
|-<br />
| iy || ཡ<br />
|-<br />
| ua || ཝཾ<br />
|-<br />
| ue || ཝེ<br />
|-<br />
| ui || ཝི<br />
|-<br />
| uo || ཝོ<br />
|-<br />
| uu || ཝུ<br />
|-<br />
| uy || ཝ<br />
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|}<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo drata<br />
| . || ་<br />
|-<br />
| , || se indika nu lo zunsa .a zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu sepli zoi .ybu. ཡ .ybu<br />
|}</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123322lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-05T22:17:00Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི(i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: འ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = འུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡོ (io)<br />
<br />
<br />
This method of writing lojban also notates a significant difference between primary stress and weak/secondary stress in a syllable, often using entirely different letters based on the degree of stress.<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo lerfu na se basna<br />
! !! da na karsna !! a !! e !! i !! o !! u !! y !! ai !! au !! ei !! oi !! ia !! ie !! ii !! io !! iu !! iy !! ua !! ue !! ui !! uo !! uu !! uy<br />
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|-<br />
| da na zunsna || || འཻ || འེ || འི || འོ || འུ || འ || འཻའི || འཻའུ || འེའི || འོའི || ཡཻ || ཡེ || ཡི || ཡོ || ཡུ || ཡ || ཝཻ || ཝེ || ཝི || ཝོ || ཝུ || ཝ<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ || ཀཻ || ཀེ || ཀི || ཀོ || ཀུ || ཀྭ || ཀཻའི || ཀཻའུ || ཀེའི || ཀོའི || ཀཡཻ || ཀཡེ || ཀཡི || ཀཡོ || ཀཡུ || ཀཡ || ཀཝཻ || ཀཝེ || ཀཝི || ཀཝོ || ཀཝུ || ཀཝ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ || ཏཻ || ཏེ || ཏི || ཏོ || ཏུ || ཏྭ || ཏཻའི || ཏཻའུ || ཏེའི || ཏོའི || ཏཡཻ || ཏཡེ || ཏཡི || ཏཡོ || ཏཡུ || ཏཡ || ཏཝཻ || ཏཝེ || ཏཝི || ཏཝོ || ཏཝུ || ཏཝ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ || པཻ || པེ || པི || པོ || པུ || པྭ || པཻའི || པཻའུ || པེའི || པོའི || པཡཻ || པཡེ || པཡི || པཡོ || པཡུ || པཡ || པཝཻ || པཝེ || པཝི || པཝོ || པཝུ || པཝ<br />
|-<br />
| g || || || || || || || || འི || འུ || འི || འི || ཡཻ || ཡེ || ཡི || ཡོ || ཡུ || ཡ || ཝཻ || ཝེ || ཝི || ཝོ || ཝུ || ཝ<br />
|-<br />
| d || || || || || || || || འི || འུ || འི || འི || ཡཻ || ཡེ || ཡི || ཡོ || ཡུ || ཡ || ཝཻ || ཝེ || ཝི || ཝོ || ཝུ || ཝ<br />
|-<br />
| b || || || || || || || || འི || འུ || འི || འི || ཡཻ || ཡེ || ཡི || ཡོ || ཡུ || ཡ || ཝཻ || ཝེ || ཝི || ཝོ || ཝུ || ཝ<br />
|-<br />
| n || || || || || || || || འི || འུ || འི || འི || ཡཻ || ཡེ || ཡི || ཡོ || ཡུ || ཡ || ཝཻ || ཝེ || ཝི || ཝོ || ཝུ || ཝ<br />
|-<br />
| m || || || || || || || || འི || འུ || འི || འི || ཡཻ || ཡེ || ཡི || ཡོ || ཡུ || ཡ || ཝཻ || ཝེ || ཝི || ཝོ || ཝུ || ཝ<br />
|}</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123321lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-05T21:58:00Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི (i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: འ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = འུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡོ (io)<br />
<br />
This method of writing lojban also notates a significant difference between primary stress and weak/secondary stress in a syllable, often using entirely different letters based on the degree of stress.<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo lerfu na se basna<br />
! !! da na karsna !! a !! e !! i !! o !! u !! y !! ai !! au !! ei !! oi !! ia !! ie !! ii !! io !! iu !! iy !! ua !! ue !! ui !! uo !! uu !! uy<br />
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|-<br />
| da na zunsna || || འཻ || འེ || འི || འོ || འུ || འ || འཻའི || འཻའུ || འེའི || འོའི || ཡཻ || ཡེ || ཡི || ཡོ || ཡུ || ཡ || ཝཻ || ཝེ || ཝི || ཝོ || ཝུ || ཝ<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ || ཀཻ || ཀེ || ཀི || ཀོ || ཀུ || ཀྭ || ཀཻའི || ཀཻའུ || ཀེའི || ཀོའི || ཀཡཻ || ཀཡེ || ཀཡི || ཀཡོ || ཀཡུ || ཀཡ || ཀཝཻ || ཀཝེ || ཀཝི || ཀཝོ || ཀཝུ || ཀཝ<br />
|-<br />
| g || || || || || || || || འི || འུ || འི || འི || ཡཻ || ཡེ || ཡི || ཡོ || ཡུ || ཡ || ཝཻ || ཝེ || ཝི || ཝོ || ཝུ || ཝ<br />
|-<br />
| t || ཏ || ཏཻ || ཏེ || ཏི || ཏོ || ཏུ || ཏྭ || ཏཻའི || ཏཻའུ || ཏེའི || ཏོའི || ཏཡཻ || ཏཡེ || ཏཡི || ཏཡོ || ཏཡུ || ཏཡ || ཏཝཻ || ཏཝེ || ཏཝི || ཏཝོ || ཏཝུ || ཏཝ<br />
|-<br />
| d || || || || || || || || འི || འུ || འི || འི || ཡཻ || ཡེ || ཡི || ཡོ || ཡུ || ཡ || ཝཻ || ཝེ || ཝི || ཝོ || ཝུ || ཝ<br />
|-<br />
| p || པ || པཻ || པེ || པི || པོ || པུ || པྭ || པཻའི || པཻའུ || པེའི || པོའི || པཡཻ || པཡེ || པཡི || པཡོ || པཡུ || པཡ || པཝཻ || པཝེ || པཝི || པཝོ || པཝུ || པཝ<br />
|-<br />
| b || || || || || || || || འི || འུ || འི || འི || ཡཻ || ཡེ || ཡི || ཡོ || ཡུ || ཡ || ཝཻ || ཝེ || ཝི || ཝོ || ཝུ || ཝ<br />
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|}</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123320lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-05T20:59:51Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི (i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: འ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = འུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡོ (io)<br />
<br />
This method of writing lojban also notates a significant difference between primary stress and weak/secondary stress in a syllable, often using entirely different letters based on the degree of stress.<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo lerfu na se basna<br />
! !! da na karsna !! a !! e !! i !! o !! u !! y !! ai !! au !! ei !! oi !! ia !! ie !! ii !! io !! iu !! iy !! ua !! ue !! ui !! uo !! uu !! uy<br />
<br />
|-<br />
| da na zunsna || || འ || འེ || འི || འོ || འུ || འ || འའི || འའུ || འེའི || འོའི || ཡྲ || ཡེ || ཡི || ཡོ || ཡུ || ཡ || ཝྲ || ཝེ || ཝི || ཝོ || ཝུ || ཝ<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ || ཀྲ || ཀེ || ཀི || ཀོ || ཀུ || ཀྭ || ཀྲའི || ཀྲའུ || ཀེའི || ཀོའི || ཀཡྲ || ཀཡེ || ཀཡི || ཀཡོ || ཀཡུ || ཀཡ || ཀཝྲ || ཀཝེ || ཀཝི || ཀཝོ || ཀཝུ || ཀཝ<br />
|}</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123319lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-05T20:49:50Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི (i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: འ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = འུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡོ (io)<br />
<br />
This method of writing lojban also notates a significant difference between primary stress and weak/secondary stress in a syllable, often using entirely different letters based on the degree of stress.<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo lerfu na se basna<br />
! !! da na karsna !! a !! e !! i !! o !! u !! y !! ai !! au !! ei !! oi !! ia !! ie !! ii !! io !! iu !! iy !! ua !! ue !! ui !! uo !! uu !! uy<br />
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|-<br />
| da na zunsna || || འ || འེ || འི || འོ || འུ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ || ཀྲ || ཀེ || ཀི || ཀོ || ཀུ || ཀྭ<br />
|}</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123318lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-05T20:47:27Z<p>Mediator64: </p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི (i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
<br />
EX: འ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = འུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
<br />
In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
<br />
EX: ཡོ (io)<br />
<br />
This method of writing lojban also notates a significant difference between primary stress and weak/secondary stress in a syllable, often using entirely different letters based on the degree of stress.<br />
<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ lo lerfu na se basna<br />
! !! da na karsna !! a !! e !! i !! o !! u !! y !! ai !! au !! ei !! oi !! ia !! ie !! ii !! io !! iu !! ua !! ue !! ui !! uo !! uu<br />
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|-<br />
| da na zunsna || || འ || འེ || འི || འོ || འུ || འ<br />
|-<br />
| k || ཀ || ཀྲ || ཀེ || ཀི || ཀོ || ཀུ || ཀྭ<br />
|}</div>Mediator64https://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=lo_jungoxuzu_selyle%27u_cu_vlaleci%27e_la_lojban&diff=123317lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban2019-07-05T20:24:30Z<p>Mediator64: Created page with "The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a cons..."</p>
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<div>The Tibetan script as used here is an abugida or alphasyllabary, meaning that, rather than notating consonants and vowels separately (as in the case of a true alphabet) a consonant and vowel are paired. In this case, the consonant (or symbol notating the lack of a consonant) is written, then the following vowel is written above or below.<br />
EX: ཀ (k) + ི (i) = ཀི (ki)<br />
EX: འ (da na zunsna) + ུ (u) = འུ (u)<br />
*”da na zunsna” means “There is no consonant.”<br />
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In this system, the first letter in a diphthong beginning with i or u is treated as a consonant.<br />
EX: ཡོ (io)<br />
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This method of writing lojban also notates a significant difference between primary stress and weak/secondary stress in a syllable, often using entirely different letters based on the degree of stress.<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
|+ caption<br />
! heading !! heading<br />
|-<br />
| cell || cell<br />
|-<br />
| cell || cell<br />
|}</div>Mediator64