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loglang

2019-10-07T12:46:21Z

Selpahi: replacing Toaq Dzu with Toaq, updated link

''loglang'' - a [[constructed language|constructed language]] recognizably based on logical principles.

{{quotation|a language in which every utterance is traceable to a unique representation in a suitable logic formalism, which representation correctly gives the meaning of the utterance, and is reached from the linguistic form by automatic formal rules (parsing).|[[User:John Clifford|John Clifford]]}}

Alternatively, the term ''loglang'' is used to describe a language that belongs to the Loglan family.
==Loglangs based on logical principles only==
*[[Láadan|Láadan]] is a language from which Lojban took some of its evidentials.
*[[And Rosta|And Rosta]]'s Livagian (no direct links)
*[[Liva|Liva]]
*[[RDFS]]

==Languages in Loglan family==
*[[Lojban]]
* [[La Alta]] developed by [[la gleki]] and [http://newlojban.wordpress.com La Logbanu] developed by [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]] are variations of Lojban
===Others (in historical order)===
*[[Loglan|Loglan]] is now a generic term that refers both to James Cooke Brown's Loglan, and all languages descended from it. Since the organization that Dr. Brown established, The Loglan Institute (TLI), still calls its language Loglan, it is necessary to state that this section refers specifically to the TLI language, instead of the entire family of languages.
*[[Nalgol|Nalgol]], which was a project of totally redoing Loglan.
*[[gua\spi|gua\spi]], which is in the same string as Nalgol. Gua\spi is a descendent of Lojban and Loglan which uses Chinese-like tones to mark grammatical structure, developed by Jim Carter. By using tones instead of structure words, and cutting predicates from two to one syllable, Carter has fixed a minor flaw in Gua\spi's predecessors – they take a lot of syllables to say things, albeit at the expense of adding tone, which is a far from universal language trait.
*[[Ithkuil]] is a cross between a logical and philosophical language, designed to minimize ambiguity and maximize efficiency in speech.
*[[Ceqli]] by Rex F. May is an auxiliary language project with origins in James Cooke Brown's Loglan, but has influences from English and Mandarin.
*[[Plan B]]
*[[New LoCCan|New LoCCan]] is a possible next revision of Loglan/Lojban.
*[[Logic Language Draft 2.1|Logic Language Draft 2.1]]
*[[Voksigid|Voksigid]] created by an Internet working group led by Bruce R. Gilson, attempts to construct a predicate language of a different type from those which had gone before. Its syntax was somewhat influenced by Japanese, and its vocabulary was based mostly on European language roots. Loglan and Lojban both use word order to mark the various places in the predication, but because remembering which position means which role in the predication might be beyond easy memorization for most people, Voksigid was designed in order to overcome this issue. It uses an extensive set of very semantically specific prepositions to mark the roles of verb arguments, instead of positional order as in Loglan and Lojban.
*[[Trari]] is a continuation of ideas from Voksigid
*Xorban was developed in [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/engelang/ engelang] mailing list in 2012.
*[[Lojsk|Lojsk]] was conceived by Ari Reyes, heavily influenced by Loglan, Lojban, Universal Networking Language (UNL), Esperanto, Visual Basic, Dutton's Speedwords, Ceqli and Gua\spi. It is designed to be more single-syllable oriented. If possible, that would nonetheless lead Lojsk to be more sensitive to noisy environments than Lojban is, therefore its practicality in oral communication may be questioned.
*[[Viku: An Art Language|Viku]] (pronounced "VEE-koo") is an art language, created as an expression of Victor Medrano's personal philosophy of minimalism, simplicity, and xenophilia. Inspiration for Viku arose from Japanese and Polynesian languages. Lojban has a great influence on Viku grammar. Viku is said to be a crucible for blending primitivism with modernism.
*[[X-1]] and [[X-2]]
*[[Fith]] and [[Shallow Fith]]
*[http://toaq.org/ Toaq] is a tonal loglang, developed by [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]].
*[[tanbau]] is a logical language developed by [[la tsani]].
* [[toki pona enhanced]] is a modification of [[toki pona]] based on advances of Lojban studies.
* [[U (conlang)|U]] - a Zen conlang, the most specified language in the world.

zi'o

2017-11-01T13:03:59Z

Selpahi:

'''zi'o''' removes a place from a selbri's place structure. In doing so, whatever that place contributed to the selbri's meaning becomes irrelevant. For example, a '''klama fi zi'o''' goes somewhere, whether or not there is an origin (a '''te klama'''). '''klama fi zi'o''' describes a relation of going in which the concept of an origin is irrelevant.

When there is no value that could satisfy a given place (i.e. '''no da broda'''), the corresponding sentence with '''zi'o''' can still be true (i.e. '''zi'o broda'''). '''mi broda no da''' neither entails nor contradicts '''mi broda zi'o''':

{{mu|mi zukte lo ka plipe kei no da|"I don't jump with any goal."}}

But do I jump? I might! The following follow-up doesn't contradict the previous statement:

{{mu|.i ku'i mi ja'a zukte lo ka plipe kei zi'o|"But I do jump."}}

Or:

{{mu|mi zukte lo ka vofli kei no da|"I do not fly with any goal."}}

But do I fly?

{{mu|.i ji'a mi na zukte lo ka vofli kei zi'o|"Also, I'm not flying, period."}}

Whenever something '''broda su'o da''', it also '''broda zi'o''':

{{mu|do sanga su'o da .i ja'o do sanga zi'o|"You are singing something. Therefore, you are singing."}}

For practical purposes, '''zi'o''' can be used to emphasize that no particular thing(s) are required to fill a certain place as an explicit '''zi'o''' prevents the place from being contextually filled by '''zo'e''':

{{mu|.au mi tavla do zi'o|"I just want to talk to you [about nothing in particular]." "I just want to talk to you [whether or not there's a topic]."}}

User:Cemjig

2017-05-04T00:19:04Z

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ce ki tau jau

2017-04-02T13:47:32Z

Selpahi: /* Secondary possibilities */ poi'a pu'a, noi'a nu'a

{{jbocre/en}}

The ''ce-ki-tau-jau'' (and occasionally joined by ''du'') dialect of Lojban has certain CV'V [[cmavo]] swapped with similar CV cmavo, as those CV'V are (far) more useful than the CV. The proposal can be generalized to a far wider class of proposed swaps. Thus, it is an umbrella-term. The word for this dialect in Lojban is " tcekitaujau "; in English it is often called "ce-ki-tau-jau" (possibly without the hyphens, using whitespaces instead), although this is ambiguous and perhaps "Cekitaujau" or, better, "Tcekitaujau" (or all lowercase) would be preferred.

In the following possibilities, each proposed swap (listed hereinafter) is independent of all others, with the exception that "X becomes Y" necessitates also that "Y becomes X". By "X becomes Y, and Y becomes X", it is meant that the old meaning of X is assigned as the new meaning of Y, while/and the old meaning of Y is assigned as the new meaning of X, and that only the new meanings are used (old meanings are deprecated and deleted from current dictionaries except as a historic note), at least in the case of cmavo. (For rafsi, "meaning" here means "gismu to which it is assigned, if any").

== Primary proposal ==

In particular, it is suggested that:

* '''ce'u''' becomes '''ce''',
* '''ke'a''' becomes '''ki''',
* '''tu'a''' becomes '''tau''',
* '''jo'u''' becomes '''jau ('''xorxes has proposed that '''joi''' [and zipcpi has proposed '''jei'''] should be used for '''jo'u''';''' '''if that were the case, we wouldn't have to repurpose '''jau)''',
** It might be nice to put all/many (basic) nonlogical connectives in jVV outfits (such that all jVV words are nonlogical connectives), particularly when considering certain proposals for the logical connectives.
** We could develop a theme for NU to end with "-u".
** Note that reassigning "jau" to something other than Cau will break the series in the non-decimal hexadecimal digits. Part of this series is already broken by assigning "rei" (E) to "xei" in that they are no longer alphabetically arranged in order from least to greatest in meaning.
* '''du'u''' becomes '''du''',
* and, for each of the previous, vice-versa

=== Support/reasons ===

Due to the proliferation of [[fancylojban]] and the general idea of the [[type system]], '''ce'u''' and '''tu'a''' become very important cmavo, for maintaining precision and type-correctness, respectively. As for '''ke'a''', it sees far more use than '''ki''', and becomes especially useful with the proposal for [[new voi]] (assigned to '''poi'i''' for standard Lojban). '''jo'u''' has increased in usefulness due to the introduction of plural logic by [[xorlo]].

== Secondary possibilities ==

Other proposed swaps:
* Replace '''rei'''/'''xei''' (one only) with '''sei''' or '''tei''' (one only) and then unassign the duplicate for "hex-E",
** This would help preserve the series for non-decimal hexadecimal digits being in alphabetic order while representing monotonically increasing numbers.
*** Alternatively, '''rei'''/'''xei''' could be swapped with '''kei''', '''mei''', '''nei''', '''pei''', or (if it ever becomes a valid Lojban word) '''qei'''. The first two break certain vague similarities (many terminators begin with "k", many members of MOI are of form mVV). Or, '''vai''' could be swapped with Cai, where C is alphabetically strictly-later than the first letter of "hex-E"; presently the possibilities are '''sai''', '''tai''', '''vai''' (trivial), '''xai''', '''zai'''; only the last option is available for "hex-E" being assigned to '''xei''' if we wish to maintain the alphabetic series and the diphthong series. Or, force '''vai''' to '''zai''' (by swapping) and either unassign '''rei''' (keeping only '''xei''' meaning "hex-E", which is rather mnemonic, incidentally), or swap '''rei'''/'''xei''' with '''vei''' while unassigning the duplicate for hex-E.
** Something along these lines is actually constructive in maintaining/increasing the pattern-derived elegance in the vocabulary while also addressing the well-documented complaints concerning hex-E being originally assigned to '''rei'''. In any case, it would remove the duplicate, which is nice. Shifting later in the alphabet also reduces the chances of running into a commonly used (or, even, non-experimental) word, increasing back-compatibility in a practical but not theoretical sense. These characteristics are not common amongst the other individual proposals in this article.
** See below concerning ''tei'' and '''to'e''' (modifiers of UI).

* '''poi'i''' becomes '''voi''' (as mentioned previously),
* '''su'o''' becomes '''su''',
** Alternatively, '''su'u''' becomes '''su''', further reinforcing the theme for NU of often being of form consonant+u.
* '''ka''' becomes '''ku''',
** See previous comment about the theme of NU
* '''ni''' becomes '''xu'''
** While this would disrupt the frequent usage of '''xu''' in older documents, it would again reinforce the earlier theme; additionally, quantitative cmavo very frequently begin with "x" in Lojban (see: '''xo'''. '''xo'e''', etc.). There is no syllable cost. There may be an aesthetic benefit on both ends from this swap; moreover, some people may find "x" difficult or ugly to pronounce, making it annoying in such a common role as indicating a question. But having '''xo''' and '''xu''' so similar could be problematic (actually, it already could be).
* '''bu'u''' becomes '''bu''' or '''zai''',
* '''ko'oi''' becomes '''koi''',
* '''si'au''' becomes '''si'u''',
* '''zu'ai''' becomes '''se'e''',
* '''mo'oi''' becomes '''ge''' (ce ki tau jau fully embraces the [http://selpahi.weebly.com/lojban/how-to-substantially-simplify-the-lojban-connective-system-my-connective-system connective system simplification], making '''gaje''' a complete replacement for official '''ge'''),
* '''moi'oi''' becomes '''gei''' ('''gei''' becomes '''ge'i'''?),
* '''i'au''' becomes '''go''',
* '''zo'u''' becomes '''.u''' (the former-A-connectives may be a great space for "punctuation" cmavo due to similarity to '''.i''' . Similarly, perhaps '''ju'ei''' can be '''.e''' and '''zo'au''' (postnex) can be '''.a''', though there may be better candidates for this precious cmavo-space),
* '''lau'u''' becomes '''lau''',
* '''xu'u''' becomes '''po''',
** The very common combination of '''lo''' + '''NU''' to which '''xu'u''' is assigned could get '''po''' (terminator '''ku'au''' becomes '''po'e''') of selma'o '''PO''', which directly turns bridi into sumti (equivalent to '''lo su'u'''). This cuts down Lojban's syllable count considerably.
** The function of '''po'''/'''po'e''' is replaced by '''po'a''', BAI of '''ponse'''; and possibly '''pesai''' and '''pecai''' for mere expression of strength/permanence of relation
* '''fi'o''' becomes '''foi'''? (Did anyone want '''foi''' for something else?),
* '''poi'a''' becomes '''pu'a''', '''noi'a''' becomes '''nu'a''', both of which are of selma'o NOIhA as described in [https://solpahi.wordpress.com/2016/10/13/noiha/ this blog article],
* and, for each of the previous options, vice-versa.

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Additionally:

*:Some changes in the dialect are not mere swaps, but are instead geared towards repurposing little cmavo. One such change is to perhaps use '''lau''' instead of '''lau'u''' to represent '''lo su'u go'i''' or '''la'e di'u'''. All of those see far more usage in the corpus than '''lau''' with its current definition.

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Proposed swaps regarding attitudinal/scalar modifiers:

* '''cu'i''' becomes '''cei'''(?),
* '''ru'e''' becomes '''rei'''(?),
** Criticism: Let '''xei''' be hex digit fourteen; we don't need two monosyllabic cmavo for it
* '''ne'e''' becomes '''tei'''(??),
** (highly speculative proposal; details need to be worked out) Attitudinals should be refactored so that '''nai''' is merely a simple negator like '''na'e''', while '''tei''' takes the polar-negation sense of '''to'e'''. For example, '''.uinai''' would just signify "not happy / other-than-happy", while '''.uitei''' would signify "sadness".
* and, for each of the previous proposals, vice-versa.

Being a basic building block of predicate logic, the existential quantifier is a good candidate for a monosyllabic cmavo form. As for '''bu'u''', it is the spatial equivalent of '''ca''', which has one syllable less. Both tenses are equally important.

== rafsi swaps ==

Reassignment of rafsi has also been considered. For example:

* In standard Lojban the rafsi of '''te''' does not parallel those of the other members of SE ('''se''', '''ve''' and '''xe'''), so it has been proposed to use the rafsi '''-tel-''' instead.
* Ditto for '''-nol-''' (representing '''no'e'''), to parallel '''-nal-''' (for '''na'e''') and '''-tol-''' (for '''to'e''').
* '''-se'i-''' is proposed to stand for '''sefsi''', not '''sevzi''' (jbovlaste already contains lujvo using the new assignment).

== Activation of this mode ==

To mark usage of the ce-ki-tau-jau dialect in an utterance/text, one may/should use '''jo'au [http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/tcekitaujau tcekitaujau]'''. It is not clear how many of the previously mentioned individual proposals (which exact standard) are included by this referent.

In order to clear up this vagueness, some version names have been proposed; for example, see [[Proposal: version names for Tcekitaujau dialects]].

== Implementation process if universally adopted ==

This section concerns how the LLG would go about implementing this proposal throughout all of its official texts if it becomes the sole official version of the language (meaning that it is the default dialect in all up-to-date texts and conversations).

The update, even if every individual proposal is ratified, is relatively small; so, it could he handled expediently, to its credit - and benefit. We would update the version number of the language or give this update mode a name. Then we find all non-historic material (particularly learning material and wordlists) and perform a find-and-replace swap on the words, which should be automated easily - just replace all instances of a given word X (possibly surrounded by a single whitespace in order to avoid lujvo, but there can be issues with this) with another word XYLOPHONE which does not appear in the text (choose a non-Lojbanic garbage string surrounded by whitespaces as appropriate), replace the other word Y with the first one (X) throughout the document, then replace the garbage string XYLOPHONE with the second word (Y) throughout the same; repeat this for every pair of words to be swapped according to the standard. Afterward, mark or update the (new) version number on these documents which underwent the swap procedure and republish. Mark all documents or conversations which are not updated as historic (obeying the previous version's conventions), possibly with their own version number. In this task, the most difficult and time-consuming part would be in finding and sorting the documents.

== Criticisms ==

The main flaw, according to many (most?) criticisms, is that the benefit of changing to follow most (or even ~all) individual proposals is relatively (or in some estimations, very) small. Thus, any accompanying cost can easily dominate.

* This proposal destroys back-compatibility. However, it does not actually fix anything that is broken, it just shines up some perfectly good bits of the language a bit (at the level of vocabulary). So, no new functionality is included nor is any old functionality really improved except superficially. You know what they say about fixing things that ain't broken...
** Relatedly, it forces relearning and re-accustoming. Other proposals add new features which need to be learned the first time, but this forces people to learn things that they already know for no new functionality.

* Discussion and approval of this proposal would detract from other efforts, including fixing or expanding the language in other ways. The same goes for updating all material so as to conform. Any positive amount of discussion or effort at this level would represent a significant proportion of all discussion or effort; we just cannot practically dedicate our (human) resources to this task without being morally obligated to wonder about how it would be better spent.

* The only benefit derived directly from this proposal is having shorter words for some "more common" meanings, and perhaps gaining some aesthetic beauty as well. Note that current amount of usage could be biased in some ways and may not actually reveal general usefulness.

* Parallels and series in the vocabulary could be broken.

* The scope of the proposal is not clear. Some of its individual proposals seem unrelated to the original intent and are included as extras because they do not really fit anywhere else. At the least, each change would have to be adopted individually - make sure to include the "vice-versa"'s!

* There is still some disagreement within some individual proposals.

* Some individual proposals (such as those somehow concerning the connectives) are predicated on the adoption of other (big) proposals.

* Etymological connections could be obscured.

* Some proposals reduce the explicit nature of Lojban (such as by reducing "la'e di'u" or "lo nu" into single words each), which obfuscates some of the underlying, carefully-crafted structure. This may be highly displeasing to some users, especially due to the introduced lack of symmetry in the vocabulary and grammar solely for the sake of saving syllables in certain (but not necessarily all) pre-existing texts.

== External links ==

* [https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/lojban/t2h3yV5_TIU] Mailing list discussion sparked by a "joke" or "test" which announced the (untrue) adoption of Tcekitaujau by the BPFK.

jbocre: zo'e poi

2017-01-15T19:47:14Z

Selpahi: /* de'i li ny 2014 ly 09 dy 04 */

{{jbocre/en}}

This discussion about '''zo'e''', '''noi''' and '''poi'''.
==de'i li ny 2014 ly 09 dy 04==
<nowiki>#lojban</nowiki> IRC channel on freenode network.
{{Irci|mukti|I'm reminded of a related question I had when I first encountered the '''zo'e noi broda''' formula, which is to say, why '''noi broda''' rather than '''poi broda'''?}}
{{Irci|lukys|Doesn't '''poi''' mean something that is essential for the identity, whereas '''noi''' is some incidental detail?}}
{{Irci|durka42|'''zo'e''' is always correct by magic, so it doesn't need to be '''poi'''}}
{{Irci|mukti|If I say '''lo botpi''', I'm referring to something contextually sensitive. That's the '''zo'e''' part, right? But the referent is restricted (or so it seems to me) among all the contextually available referents in so far as it satisfies '''botpi'''. That restriction seems to me more like a '''poi''' than a '''noi'''. Someone set me straight.}}
{{Irci|durka42|I think '''zo'e''' covers both of those, it's just not very useful for the listener to have a bare '''zo'e''' in every place...}}
{{Irci|mukti|lukys: Yes, it's my impression that '''poi''' limits reference, whereas '''noi''' comments on referents.}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I've never understood the problem with '''zo'e poi''' either. It still seems right to me. '''zo'e''' magically changes reference to find the contextually relevant thing, but '''zo'e noi broda cu brode''' seems, to me, to be saying that the thing we'd expect to be talking about if we saw '''zo'e brode''' also satisfies '''broda''', where '''zo'e poi broda cu brode''' seems, to me, to be saying that the thing we're talking about that satisfies '''broda''' satisfies '''brode'''.}}
{{Irci|mukti|'''zo'e noi broda''' seems to imagine a situation where the referent is pointed to independently of being described as '''broda'''. If '''lo broda''' is equivalent to '''zo'e noi broda''', aren't we saying that the reference is independent of the description? That the description is incidental?}}
{{Irci|durka42|well, the reference is in the speaker's mind}}
{{Irci|mukti|Ok, but is it a typed pointer or a void * ?}}
{{Irci|durka42|don't know how to answer that. I think it's typed}}
{{Irci|mukti|What I'm trying to get at is whether or not the reference can be said to depend on the description.}}
{{Irci|durka42|that's what people keep going back and forth on}}
{{Irci|mukti|If the reference does not depend on the description, then it is similar to a void * in C. It's the address of data which is unspecified in structure.}}
{{Irci|durka42|but the data's there, either way}}
{{Irci|mukti|Well, it depends what you mean by "the data". :)}}
{{Irci|durka42|the referents}}
{{Irci|mukti|If '''lo broda''' is '''zo'e noi broda''', and the reference is *not* said to independent of the description, then '''zo'e''' must have some property of suspending reference until relative clauses are considered. Or so it seems to me.}}
{{Irci|durka42|I guess I'm saying they're independent then, but I don't know if we can't answer this question… perhaps '''zo'e''' is too magical...}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Well, I think the point is that '''zo'e''' is nearly limitlessly magical. It does whatever it needs to, given the entire context (including relative clauses, and everything else possible) to make what you say true.}}
{{Irci|durka42|but you can still say things that aren't true...}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I guess, then, to make it mean what you mean it to mean...I'm not sure.}}
{{Irci|durka42|if I say '''mi dunli lo merja'a''', intending to lie, but '''zo'e''' undermines me by magically resolving to '''lo ka remna kei po'o''', that's kind of annoying}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Being xalbo, I'd say that's why you wanted to say '''mi merja'a''' in the first place. Or at the very least use '''mintu''' or '''du'''.}}
{{Irci|durka42|well yes}}
{{Irci|xalbo|But you make a good point. If someone asks '''mo fa la tepcrida''' ("What happened to the dementor?"), then '''se citka mi''' is a lie, even if '''se citka mi''' would otherwise be a true statement (I did eat something). Though maybe that has more to do with place-filling and '''mo'''. "What I told you is true, from a certain point of view."}}
{{Irci|durka42|zo'e has to take the speaker's intentions into account, perhaps that's the same as saying zo'e takes the UD into account}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I don't think those are the same. I'd say it probably has to take both into account.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Don't take '''zo'e noi broda''' too literally. It's not a text replacement, but a referent replacement}}
{{Irci|durka42|uaru'e}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|'''zo'e noi broda''' is '''lo broda''' if '''zo'e''' brodas.}}
{{Irci|durka42|but you can actually say '''zo'e noi''' in a sentence}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Sure, and then you need to know what '''zo'e''' refers to. Or not care.}}
{{Irci|durka42|or, every other week someone invents another experimental cmavo that means '''zo'e noi [bridi]'''}}
{{Irci|xalbo|"<selpa'i> '''zo'e noi broda''' is '''lo broda''' if '''zo'e''' brodas." - That seems like a really complicated way of saying that '''lo broda''' is/does the same thing as/mintu '''zo'e poi broda'''}}
{{Irci|durka42|'''xo'e da poi broda''' zo'onairu'e}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|I understand '''zo'e poi broda''' as '''lo me zo'e je poi'i broda'''. '''poi''' as a definition for '''lo''' doesn't seem right.}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Why not? Isn't the point of '''lo broda''' essentially that it gives you a referent that broda's?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|But '''zo'e''' is that referent already.s}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I don't see '''mi pinxe lo ckafi''' as saying "I'm drinking something. BTW, it turns out it's coffee. Who knew?"}}
{{Irci|Ilmen|Maybe defining zo'e from lo would be wiser than the other way round}}
{{Irci|xalbo|'''zo'e''' and '''lo co'e''' seem really, really close to me.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|But do you see '''lo ckafi''' as a restricted reference?}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Intuitively I think i do.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Part of why it may seem weird is that '''zo'e''' does two different things. It can be "it" or "something"}}
{{Irci|Ilmen|Saying '''zo'e {{=}} lo co'e''' is probably not more bad a definition than '''lo broda {{=}} zo'e noi broda'''}}
{{Irci|durka42|what a ringing endorsement}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Do you start with a bigger reference set and then restrict it to coffee? '''lo ckafi''' goes right to coffee. '''zo'e poi broda''' takes '''zo'e''' as a start and then restricts to those among it that also satisfy '''broda'''}}
{{Irci|durka42|but zo'e is magic, so it changes to be the restricted set as soon as you restrict it?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|'''lo broda''' -> '''zo'e noi broda''' is only true for a '''zo'e''' that refers to brodas}}
{{Irci|xalbo|And '''zo'e noi broda''' takes '''zo'e''' as a start, and then says that it already satisfies '''broda'''. Which seems far odder to me.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Which is why it's not a literal equality}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|But that oddness comes from '''zo'e''' doing both unspecified reference and definite reference}}
{{Irci|xalbo|But the way you say "and this is only true for a '''zo'e''' that satisfies '''broda'''" is to use '''poi'''. That's pretty much exactly what '''poi''' does.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|The equality is only true if '''zo'e''' refers to brodas. And '''zo'e''' takes its value from context}}
{{Irci|xalbo|It just seems like you keep saying things that sound, to me, entirely consistent with '''zo'e poi broda''', while rejecting "'''zo'e poi broda'''". '''zo'e''', but only if it satisfies '''broda'''.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|That's a meta-statement about the equivalence.}}
{{Irci|xalbo|To me, the difference between restrictive and incidental is that I would expect the former to change the referent. If I saw '''zo'e poi broda cu brode''', I would expect to find some '''zo'e''' that satisfies both. If I saw '''zo'e noi broda cu brode''', I would expect that the very same '''zo'e''' I'd get if I just saw '''zo'e brode''' would also happen to satisfy '''broda'''. Which, in fact, is a whole lot closer to what I'd expect for '''lo brode cu broda'''.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|The equivalence "lo broda {{=}}{{=}} zo'e noi broda" holds only when '''zo'e''' refers to brodas. That's different from saying that '''lo broda''' means a zo'e that only refers to brodas. '''zo'e poi''' starts with a bigger referent set}}
{{Irci|xalbo|That seems like a bizarre equivalence. What's the point of the '''noi broda''', then? Why not just say "lo broda {{=}}{{=}} zo'e, but that only holds if '''zo'e''' refers to brodas"?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Exactly. And '''noi broda''' only comments on the referent.}}
{{Irci|xalbo|But '''poi broda''' adds the bit about requiring it to satisfy '''broda''', but takes it out of the metalanguage English qualification and into the actual equivalence. Why comment on a referent you've already restricted externally?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Why restrict that referent again if it's already the referent that makes the bridi true?}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Because we're adding part of the bridi that we also want to say is true (that the referent must also '''broda''').}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|We already know that it does. In the definition of '''lo broda''' (remember the "don't take it too literally"). That definition starts by knowing the referent of '''zo'e'''. '''zo'e poi broda''' is like saying "The contextually obvious things that also broda (two properties need to be satisfied)", while '''zo'e noi broda''' is more like saying "Those contextually obvious things, and those things broda" (only one property, namely broda)}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I'm saying that if we define '''lo broda''' to mean '''zo'e poi broda''', we'd need a lot less of the "don't take this too literally", "this only applies if it already '''broda'''", and other provisos. I don't understand. What are the two properties that must be satisfied for '''zo'e poi broda'''?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|'''me zo'e''' and '''broda'''}}
{{Irci|xalbo|And '''zo'e noi broda''' only requires '''broda''', not '''me zo'e'''‽ Or am I misinterpreting "(only one property, namely broda)"?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|The referent in the '''poi''' case includes only those individuals that satisfy both properties, whereas in the '''noi''' case the referent is '''zo'e''', and it's (incidentally, that is, it has no effect on a quantifier) broda. This is quite similar to the difference between '''ro ko'a poi''' and '''ro ko'a noi'''. One has a logical conjunction imposed on the referent, the other asserts both independently. This second part is hard to explain but the quantifier example is hopefully helpful}}
{{Irci|Ilmen|BPFK: '''ko'a poi broda''' {{=}} '''lo me ko'a je broda''' -> According to this definition, defining '''lo''' from '''zo'e poi''' would lead to a circular definition, wouldn't it?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|'''zo'e poi broda''' "those things among zo'e that broda"}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I still don't understand. What's wrong with restricting our referents to only those that '''broda'''? That seems to be a fundamental thing to what '''lo broda''' does, and it seems that even you are doing that, you're just doing it in English separately with "it's only true if '''zo'e''' satisfies '''broda'''"}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|I tried to make it very clear that that last part is *not* part of the definition; it is a comment *about* the definition}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I don't see the difference between "those things among zo'e that broda" and '''lo broda'''. To my mind, '''noi broda''' adds completely incidental information. That is, we could replace '''noi broda] with '''goi ko'a''', and then add a separate sentence '''ko'a broda''', and get the same result (scope issues and grammar issues notwithstanding).}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|I do see a difference between "The dogs" and "The things among those things that are dogs" (though the latter reads a bit ambiguous) Yes. '''noi broda''' adds a separate statement. It seems your trouble is actually with the step from '''zo'e noi''' to '''lo''', not vice versa. Or maybe you think it doesn't matter}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I'm not sure.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|You can go from '''lo broda''' to '''zo'e noi broda''' in the gadri definition because the definition can choose that this '''zo'e''' refers to '''lo broda'''. Thus you can go from any '''lo brodi''' to '''zo'e noi brodi''' as long as you have a '''zo'e''' in mind that already refers to exactly what you want. However, in the other direction, it's less true that you can simply replace the strings. Going from '''zo'e noi broda''' to '''lo broda''' requires the '''zo'e''' to refer to '''lo broda'''. But not every '''zo'e''' refers to '''lo broda''', it takes a special context. If '''zo'e''' is tea, then '''zo'e noi broda''' won't be '''lo ckafi'''. And that's why you cannot take it as a literal replacement.}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Then that makes using '''zo'e noi broda''' to explain '''lo broda''' less than worthless. You have to already have '''lo broda''' as context for '''zo'e''', the '''noi broda''' adds literally nothing, and it only works when it already works.}}

==de'i li ny 2015 ly 05 dy 21==
{{irci|selpa'i|Has anyone who uses le managed to formulate a Lojban definition of it that they are entirely happy with?}}
{{irci|zipcpi|I don't know how to have such metalinguistic conversations in Lojban, unfortunately}}
{{irci|xalbo|I was fine with '''le broda''' {{=}} '''zo'e voi broda''', but others disagree with every bit of that for technical reasons that I don't understand.}}
{{irci|zipcpi|Problem is almost no one uses '''voi'''. But yeah in translations I tend to use ra (non-contextual translations)}}
{{irci|durka42|one problem is I've never seen anyone define '''voi''' except "something to do with '''le'''", so if you define '''le''' in terms of '''voi''' then everything explodes}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes. You first have to define '''voi'''. And if it's restrictive, then it becomes weird with zo'e}}
{{irci|gleki|xalbo: but then you need to explain what is veridicality and provide a bunch of examples where '''lo''' and '''le''' should be used.}}
{{irci|durka42|that is, it's fine but it doesn't answer the question of "what does '''le''' mean to you" :)}}
{{irci|zipcpi|I can only think of one use-case for voi; that of "titles" affixed to a person's name. But I'm sure there's another way to do that. Like maybe no'u la'au ... li'u}}
{{irci|xalbo|Remind me again what's wrong with restrictives applying to '''zo'e'''?}}
{{irci|selpa'i|'''zo'e poi broda''' {{=}} '''lo me zo'e je broda''', meaning the '''zo'e''' can refer to things that don't '''broda'''}}
{{irci|durka42|'''me zo'e je broda''' would seem to require an x1 that does broda}}
{{irci|selpa'i|I'm talking about the '''zo'e''' in that sentence alone.}}
{{irci|durka42|'''zo'e''' alone can refer to anything is that relevant? you said '''zo'epoi''' :)}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes. The '''zo'e''' is a bunch of stuff (which needn't only include things that broda), and poi restricts the referents of the *resulting* sumti, not of '''zo'e''' itself. If '''voi''' is anything like that, it becomes weird.}}
{{irci|xalbo|I'm still not understanding the problem with '''zo'e poi'''. Is there some concrete example or something? selpa'i: So you object to '''mi citka zo'e poi plise''', because the '''zo'e''' could contain things that don't apple, before being further restricted? Or...I still don't see the issue.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|I don't "object" as much as it just sounds weird.}}
==de'i li ny 2015 ly 05 dy 22==
{{irci|durka42|http://mw.lojban.org/papri/jbocre:_zo%27e_poi oh no I am preserved in this conversation for perpetuity :(}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yeah we made it into a wiki page since this topic keeps coming up}}
{{irci|durka42|would be great to have a TL;DR at the top}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yeah, but what is the tldr? Whose opinion is the right one :P}}
{{irci|durka42|selpa'i: at least a summary of the different camps, then. I was _in_ the original conversation and I can't follow it}}
{{irci|xalbo|Rereading that conversation, I still don't understand selpa'i's views any more than I ever did. I mean, they make *no* sense to me. I would really like to understand, but I'm completely unmoved.}}
{{irci|xalbo|Can you give any bridi where, for some predicates bu'a and bu'e, '''zo'e noi bu'a cu bu'e''', '''zo'e poi bu'a cu bu'e''', and '''lo bu'a cu bu'e''' are not all truth-conditionally identical?}}
{{irci|durka42|* durka42 would also not mind such an example}}
{{irci|selpa'i|The point is that '''zo'e noi broda cu brode''' has '''zo'e''' ("all" of them (the referents of '''zo'e''') (though not necessarily distributively)) '''brode''', while '''zo'e poi broda cu brode''' does not. That's all. The first '''zo'e''' might be just one thing, but the latter is most certainly more than one.}}
{{irci|durka42|because '''poi''' narrows a set while '''noi''' jungaus things about the set without changing its members (please excuse my use of the word "set")}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Right. But I don't know if that formulation is helpful (?)}}
{{irci|xalbo|I'm sorry, but what is "the latter" there? Are you saying that '''zo'e poi broda cu brode''' means that there must certainly be more than one referent of '''zo'e'''?}}
{{irci|durka42|that's how I think about noi/poi, but I dunno if it's useful either}}
{{irci|selpa'i|'''poi''' implies a non-singleton domain. Applying it to a singular constant implies (at least pragmatically) a restriction over instances of that singular referent (though it does not logically entail it)}}
{{irci|xalbo|So '''lo mlatu poi blabi cu citka''' is false if there's only one cat, even if it's white and eats?}}
{{irci|selpa'i|No that's a different sentence. Add a '''ku''' before '''poi'''}}
{{irci|xalbo|Point. '''lo mlatu ku poi blabi cu citka'''}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes, so what I said applies there.}}
{{irci|xalbo|Ahh, pragmatic constraint instead of logical. That makes a bit more sense. '''lo mensi be mi ku poi speni cu jibni''' implies (pragmatically) that I have more than one sister, and that at least one is married and at least one is not married, even though in reality I have exactly one, she is married, and the statement is literally true.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes, otherwise why would you use '''poi''', a restrictive relative clause.}}
{{irci|xalbo|Is that what you're getting at? I think we're thinking of '''poi''' and '''noi''' somewhat differently. In particular, I feel like '''noi''' only adds extra information, but doesn't change the referents of anything else. But you're asking it to. '''zo'e citka''' and '''lo mlatu cu citka''' are very different things.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|No, '''noi''' doesn't change referents.}}
{{irci|xalbo|'''zo'e noi mlatu cu citka''' seems to me give something rather different. That is, '''zo'e citka .i lo go'i cu mlatu'''.}}
{{irci|durka42|I would say those *are* the same, if it's obvious to everyone involve that we are taking about mlatues. '''ko catlu lo mlatu .i citka'''}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Not a bad example, since there '''zo'e''' and '''zo'e noi mlatu''' do the same exact thing, because we know what '''zo'e''' is.}}
{{irci|xalbo|'''lo mlatu cu citka''', though, doesn't already assume that we were talking about cats beforehand. Among all the things that '''zo'e''' could potentially mean, it limits it to only those that mlatu. Therefore, '''zo'e poi mlatu cu citka'''}}
{{irci|selpa'i|And the same applies to the xorlo definition '''zo'e''' is not "everything in the Universe of Discourse". '''zo'e''' is what makes the bridi true. What you say sounds more like '''ro da poi mlatu'''}}
{{irci|xalbo|Agreed. I think we disagree about what '''noi''' does.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|How?}}
{{irci|xalbo|I feel like '''noi''' only adds information, but doesn't get to change around the referent. So '''zo'e noi mlatu cu citka''' is only true if '''zo'e citka''' would already have been true in context, and additionally says, of that same contextually found '''zo'e''', that it mlatu.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes, I agree.}}
{{irci|xalbo|Not that you pick a single '''zo'e''' based on both parts, but that the '''noi''' doesn't participate in the choice of '''zo'e''', it only tells you more about it after you've already chosen it.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes. I never claimed anything different.}}
{{irci|xalbo|Then if '''lo mlatu cu citka''', '''zo'e poi mlatu cu citka''' is necessarily true, and vice versa (even if '''poi''' seems to be misleading, it's still valid). But there are many cases where '''lo mlatu cu citka''' and '''zo'e noi mlatu cu citka''' diverge in meaning.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|In the previous discussion, I mentioned that '''lo broda''' is only equivalent to '''zo'e noi broda''' if you already know that '''zo'e''' '''broda'''.}}
{{irci|Ilmen|even worse, if '''zo'e .olkai lo ka broda''' :p}}
{{irci|xalbo|And my point is that that makes using '''zo'e noi broda''' worse than useless. You've literally added nothing to the conversation (if you already know that '''zo'e broda'''), except to make things more confusing.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|But it's not something to say in a conversation as much as it is an attempt at a definition or paraphrase. It's trying to paraphrase '''lo broda''' into something that doesn't use '''lo''' And in the context of the definition, we already know that '''zo'e''' brodas}}
{{irci|xalbo|If we already know that '''zo'e''' brodas, then why prefer '''zo'e noi broda''' over just plain '''zo'e'''? Why add the extraneous '''noi broda''' that we already know has to apply?}}
{{irci|selpa'i|It would be strange to define '''lo mlatu''' as just '''zo'e'''. The '''zo'e''' tells us it's a constant, and the '''noi'''-clause makes it extra clear that the '''zo'e''' (and '''lo mlatu''') is satisfying '''mlatu'''}}
{{irci|xalbo|ua nai No, I'm saying define '''lo broda''' as '''zo'e poi broda''' and be done with it.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|It's a meta definition. The '''noi''' is not restricting anything, just explaining to the person who wants to know what '''lo''' does}}
{{irci|xalbo|They're true in exactly the same situations, and we don't need an extra "as long as '''zo'e''' already broda" metadefinition. That is a valid point.}}
{{irci|Ilmen|'''zo'e poi broda''' -> '''lo co'e poi broda''' -> '''lo co'e je broda'''. ie nai pei}}
{{irci|selpa'i|na ru'e drani. '''lo co'e poi broda''' -> '''lo co'e je poi'i broda''' Else you get wrong alignments of x2 x3 etc}}
{{irci|Ilmen|.i'a}}
{{irci|xalbo|So the problem with '''zo'e poi broda''' is that it implies (weakly, pragmatically) that there are other '''zo'e''' around that don't broda (even though it actually works either way). The problem with '''zo'e noi broda''' is that it breaks entirely if there are.}}
{{irci|Ilmen|at any rate for me '''lo co'e je poi'i broda''' does not equal '''lo broda''', in most cases}}
{{irci|xalbo|To me, that makes the former a far better choice for a definition than the later. Ilmen: Defining '''lo''' in terms of '''lo''' is ... co'e. co'e ge'e}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Different strokes. Perhaps you would prefer: '''lo broda cu brode''' <nowiki>=</nowiki> '''ko'a broda .i ko'a brode'''. The '''.i''' is equivalent to '''noi''' Using two sentences, you don't have to bother with relative clauses}}

jbocre: zo'e poi

2017-01-15T19:44:40Z

Selpahi: replacing "fpcalep" with "selpa'i"

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This discussion about '''zo'e''', '''noi''' and '''poi'''.
==de'i li ny 2014 ly 09 dy 04==
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{{Irci|mukti|I'm reminded of a related question I had when I first encountered the '''zo'e noi broda''' formula, which is to say, why '''noi broda''' rather than '''poi broda'''?}}
{{Irci|lukys|Doesn't '''poi''' mean something that is essential for the identity, whereas '''noi''' is some incidental detail?}}
{{Irci|durka42|'''zo'e''' is always correct by magic, so it doesn't need to be '''poi'''}}
{{Irci|mukti|If I say '''lo botpi''', I'm referring to something contextually sensitive. That's the '''zo'e''' part, right? But the referent is restricted (or so it seems to me) among all the contextually available referents in so far as it satisfies '''botpi'''. That restriction seems to me more like a '''poi''' than a '''noi'''. Someone set me straight.}}
{{Irci|durka42|I think zo'e covers both of those, it's just not very useful for the listener to have a bare '''zo'e''' in every place...}}
{{Irci|mukti|lukys: Yes, it's my impression that '''poi''' limits reference, whereas '''noi''' comments on referents.}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I've never understood the problem with '''zo'e poi''' either. It still seems right to me. '''zo'e''' magically changes reference to find the contextually relevant thing, but '''zo'e noi broda cu brode''' seems, to me, to be saying that the thing we'd expect to be talking about if we saw '''zo'e brode''' also satisfies '''broda''', where '''zo'e poi broda cu brode''' seems, to me, to be saying that the thing we're talking about that satisfies '''broda''' satisfies '''brode'''.}}
{{Irci|mukti|'''zo'e noi broda''' seems to imagine a situation where the referent is pointed to independently of being described as '''broda'''. If '''lo broda''' is equivalent to '''zo'e noi broda''', aren't we saying that the reference is independent of the description? That the description is incidental?}}
{{Irci|durka42|well, the reference is in the speaker's mind}}
{{Irci|mukti|Ok, but is it a typed pointer or a void * ?}}
{{Irci|durka42|don't know how to answer that. I think it's typed}}
{{Irci|mukti|What I'm trying to get at is whether or not the reference can be said to depend on the description.}}
{{Irci|durka42|that's what people keep going back and forth on}}
{{Irci|mukti|If the reference does not depend on the description, then it is similar to a void * in C. It's the address of data which is unspecified in structure.}}
{{Irci|durka42|but the data's there, either way}}
{{Irci|mukti|Well, it depends what you mean by "the data". :)}}
{{Irci|durka42|the referents}}
{{Irci|mukti|If '''lo broda''' is '''zo'e noi broda''', and the reference is *not* said to independent of the description, then '''zo'e''' must have some property of suspending reference until relative clauses are considered. Or so it seems to me.}}
{{Irci|durka42|I guess I'm saying they're independent then, but I don't know if we can't answer this question… perhaps '''zo'e''' is too magical...}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Well, I think the point is that '''zo'e''' is nearly limitlessly magical. It does whatever it needs to, given the entire context (including relative clauses, and everything else possible) to make what you say true.}}
{{Irci|durka42|but you can still say things that aren't true...}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I guess, then, to make it mean what you mean it to mean...I'm not sure.}}
{{Irci|durka42|if I say '''mi dunli lo merja'a''', intending to lie, but '''zo'e''' undermines me by magically resolving to '''lo ka remna kei po'o''', that's kind of annoying}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Being xalbo, I'd say that's why you wanted to say '''mi merja'a''' in the first place. Or at the very least use '''mintu''' or '''du'''.}}
{{Irci|durka42|well yes}}
{{Irci|xalbo|But you make a good point. If someone asks '''mo fa la tepcrida''' ("What happened to the dementor?"), then '''se citka mi''' is a lie, even if '''se citka mi''' would otherwise be a true statement (I did eat something). Though maybe that has more to do with place-filling and '''mo'''. "What I told you is true, from a certain point of view."}}
{{Irci|durka42|zo'e has to take the speaker's intentions into account, perhaps that's the same as saying zo'e takes the UD into account}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I don't think those are the same. I'd say it probably has to take both into account.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Don't take '''zo'e noi broda''' too literally. It's not a text replacement, but a referent replacement}}
{{Irci|durka42|uaru'e}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|'''zo'e noi broda''' is '''lo broda''' if '''zo'e''' brodas.}}
{{Irci|durka42|but you can actually say '''zo'e noi''' in a sentence}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Sure, and then you need to know what '''zo'e''' refers to. Or not care.}}
{{Irci|durka42|or, every other week someone invents another experimental cmavo that means '''zo'e noi [bridi]'''}}
{{Irci|xalbo|"<selpa'i> '''zo'e noi broda''' is '''lo broda''' if '''zo'e''' brodas." - That seems like a really complicated way of saying that '''lo broda''' is/does the same thing as/mintu '''zo'e poi broda'''}}
{{Irci|durka42|'''xo'e da poi broda''' zo'onairu'e}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|I understand '''zo'e poi broda''' as '''lo me zo'e je poi'i broda'''. '''poi''' as a definition for '''lo''' doesn't seem right.}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Why not? Isn't the point of '''lo broda''' essentially that it gives you a referent that broda's?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|But '''zo'e''' is that referent already.s}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I don't see '''mi pinxe lo ckafi''' as saying "I'm drinking something. BTW, it turns out it's coffee. Who knew?"}}
{{Irci|Ilmen|Maybe defining zo'e from lo would be wiser than the other way round}}
{{Irci|xalbo|'''zo'e''' and '''lo co'e''' seem really, really close to me.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|But do you see '''lo ckafi''' as a restricted reference?}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Intuitively I think i do.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Part of why it may seem weird is that '''zo'e''' does two different things. It can be "it" or "something"}}
{{Irci|Ilmen|Saying '''zo'e {{=}} lo co'e''' is probably not more bad a definition than '''lo broda {{=}} zo'e noi broda'''}}
{{Irci|durka42|what a ringing endorsement}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Do you start with a bigger reference set and then restrict it to coffee? '''lo ckafi''' goes right to coffee. '''zo'e poi broda''' takes '''zo'e''' as a start and then restricts to those among it that also satisfy '''broda'''}}
{{Irci|durka42|but zo'e is magic, so it changes to be the restricted set as soon as you restrict it?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|'''lo broda''' -> '''zo'e noi broda''' is only true for a '''zo'e''' that refers to brodas}}
{{Irci|xalbo|And '''zo'e noi broda''' takes '''zo'e''' as a start, and then says that it already satisfies '''broda'''. Which seems far odder to me.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Which is why it's not a literal equality}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|But that oddness comes from '''zo'e''' doing both unspecified reference and definite reference}}
{{Irci|xalbo|But the way you say "and this is only true for a '''zo'e''' that satisfies '''broda'''" is to use '''poi'''. That's pretty much exactly what '''poi''' does.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|The equality is only true if '''zo'e''' refers to brodas. And '''zo'e''' takes its value from context}}
{{Irci|xalbo|It just seems like you keep saying things that sound, to me, entirely consistent with '''zo'e poi broda''', while rejecting "'''zo'e poi broda'''". '''zo'e''', but only if it satisfies '''broda'''.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|That's a meta-statement about the equivalence.}}
{{Irci|xalbo|To me, the difference between restrictive and incidental is that I would expect the former to change the referent. If I saw '''zo'e poi broda cu brode''', I would expect to find some '''zo'e''' that satisfies both. If I saw '''zo'e noi broda cu brode''', I would expect that the very same '''zo'e''' I'd get if I just saw '''zo'e brode''' would also happen to satisfy '''broda'''. Which, in fact, is a whole lot closer to what I'd expect for '''lo brode cu broda'''.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|The equivalence "lo broda {{=}}{{=}} zo'e noi broda" holds only when '''zo'e''' refers to brodas. That's different from saying that '''lo broda''' means a zo'e that only refers to brodas. '''zo'e poi''' starts with a bigger referent set}}
{{Irci|xalbo|That seems like a bizarre equivalence. What's the point of the '''noi broda''', then? Why not just say "lo broda {{=}}{{=}} zo'e, but that only holds if '''zo'e''' refers to brodas"?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Exactly. And '''noi broda''' only comments on the referent.}}
{{Irci|xalbo|But '''poi broda''' adds the bit about requiring it to satisfy '''broda''', but takes it out of the metalanguage English qualification and into the actual equivalence. Why comment on a referent you've already restricted externally?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|Why restrict that referent again if it's already the referent that makes the bridi true?}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Because we're adding part of the bridi that we also want to say is true (that the referent must also '''broda''').}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|We already know that it does. In the definition of '''lo broda''' (remember the "don't take it too literally"). That definition starts by knowing the referent of '''zo'e'''. '''zo'e poi broda''' is like saying "The contextually obvious things that also broda (two properties need to be satisfied)", while '''zo'e noi broda''' is more like saying "Those contextually obvious things, and those things broda" (only one property, namely broda)}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I'm saying that if we define '''lo broda''' to mean '''zo'e poi broda''', we'd need a lot less of the "don't take this too literally", "this only applies if it already '''broda'''", and other provisos. I don't understand. What are the two properties that must be satisfied for '''zo'e poi broda'''?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|'''me zo'e''' and '''broda'''}}
{{Irci|xalbo|And '''zo'e noi broda''' only requires '''broda''', not '''me zo'e'''‽ Or am I misinterpreting "(only one property, namely broda)"?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|The referent in the '''poi''' case includes only those individuals that satisfy both properties, whereas in the '''noi''' case the referent is '''zo'e''', and it's (incidentally, that is, it has no effect on a quantifier) broda. This is quite similar to the difference between '''ro ko'a poi''' and '''ro ko'a noi'''. One has a logical conjunction imposed on the referent, the other asserts both independently. This second part is hard to explain but the quantifier example is hopefully helpful}}
{{Irci|Ilmen|BPFK: '''ko'a poi broda''' {{=}} '''lo me ko'a je broda''' -> According to this definition, defining '''lo''' from '''zo'e poi''' would lead to a circular definition, wouldn't it?}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|'''zo'e poi broda''' "those things among zo'e that broda"}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I still don't understand. What's wrong with restricting our referents to only those that '''broda'''? That seems to be a fundamental thing to what '''lo broda''' does, and it seems that even you are doing that, you're just doing it in English separately with "it's only true if '''zo'e''' satisfies '''broda'''"}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|I tried to make it very clear that that last part is *not* part of the definition; it is a comment *about* the definition}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I don't see the difference between "those things among zo'e that broda" and '''lo broda'''. To my mind, '''noi broda''' adds completely incidental information. That is, we could replace '''noi broda] with '''goi ko'a''', and then add a separate sentence '''ko'a broda''', and get the same result (scope issues and grammar issues notwithstanding).}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|I do see a difference between "The dogs" and "The things among those things that are dogs" (though the latter reads a bit ambiguous) Yes. '''noi broda''' adds a separate statement. It seems your trouble is actually with the step from '''zo'e noi''' to '''lo''', not vice versa. Or maybe you think it doesn't matter}}
{{Irci|xalbo|I'm not sure.}}
{{Irci|selpa'i|You can go from '''lo broda''' to '''zo'e noi broda''' in the gadri definition because the definition can choose that this '''zo'e''' refers to '''lo broda'''. Thus you can go from any '''lo brodi''' to '''zo'e noi brodi''' as long as you have a '''zo'e''' in mind that already refers to exactly what you want. However, in the other direction, it's less true that you can simply replace the strings. Going from '''zo'e noi broda''' to '''lo broda''' requires the '''zo'e''' to refer to '''lo broda'''. But not every '''zo'e''' refers to '''lo broda''', it takes a special context. If '''zo'e''' is tea, then '''zo'e noi broda''' won't be '''lo ckafi'''. And that's why you cannot take it as a literal replacement.}}
{{Irci|xalbo|Then that makes using '''zo'e noi broda''' to explain '''lo broda''' less than worthless. You have to already have '''lo broda''' as context for '''zo'e''', the '''noi broda''' adds literally nothing, and it only works when it already works.}}

==de'i li ny 2015 ly 05 dy 21==
{{irci|selpa'i|Has anyone who uses le managed to formulate a Lojban definition of it that they are entirely happy with?}}
{{irci|zipcpi|I don't know how to have such metalinguistic conversations in Lojban, unfortunately}}
{{irci|xalbo|I was fine with '''le broda''' {{=}} '''zo'e voi broda''', but others disagree with every bit of that for technical reasons that I don't understand.}}
{{irci|zipcpi|Problem is almost no one uses '''voi'''. But yeah in translations I tend to use ra (non-contextual translations)}}
{{irci|durka42|one problem is I've never seen anyone define '''voi''' except "something to do with '''le'''", so if you define '''le''' in terms of '''voi''' then everything explodes}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes. You first have to define '''voi'''. And if it's restrictive, then it becomes weird with zo'e}}
{{irci|gleki|xalbo: but then you need to explain what is veridicality and provide a bunch of examples where '''lo''' and '''le''' should be used.}}
{{irci|durka42|that is, it's fine but it doesn't answer the question of "what does '''le''' mean to you" :)}}
{{irci|zipcpi|I can only think of one use-case for voi; that of "titles" affixed to a person's name. But I'm sure there's another way to do that. Like maybe no'u la'au ... li'u}}
{{irci|xalbo|Remind me again what's wrong with restrictives applying to '''zo'e'''?}}
{{irci|selpa'i|'''zo'e poi broda''' {{=}} '''lo me zo'e je broda''', meaning the '''zo'e''' can refer to things that don't '''broda'''}}
{{irci|durka42|'''me zo'e je broda''' would seem to require an x1 that does broda}}
{{irci|selpa'i|I'm talking about the '''zo'e''' in that sentence alone.}}
{{irci|durka42|'''zo'e''' alone can refer to anything is that relevant? you said '''zo'epoi''' :)}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes. The '''zo'e''' is a bunch of stuff (which needn't only include things that broda), and poi restricts the referents of the *resulting* sumti, not of '''zo'e''' itself. If '''voi''' is anything like that, it becomes weird.}}
{{irci|xalbo|I'm still not understanding the problem with '''zo'e poi'''. Is there some concrete example or something? selpa'i: So you object to '''mi citka zo'e poi plise''', because the '''zo'e''' could contain things that don't apple, before being further restricted? Or...I still don't see the issue.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|I don't "object" as much as it just sounds weird.}}
==de'i li ny 2015 ly 05 dy 22==
{{irci|durka42|http://mw.lojban.org/papri/jbocre:_zo%27e_poi oh no I am preserved in this conversation for perpetuity :(}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yeah we made it into a wiki page since this topic keeps coming up}}
{{irci|durka42|would be great to have a TL;DR at the top}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yeah, but what is the tldr? Whose opinion is the right one :P}}
{{irci|durka42|selpa'i: at least a summary of the different camps, then. I was _in_ the original conversation and I can't follow it}}
{{irci|xalbo|Rereading that conversation, I still don't understand selpa'i's views any more than I ever did. I mean, they make *no* sense to me. I would really like to understand, but I'm completely unmoved.}}
{{irci|xalbo|Can you give any bridi where, for some predicates bu'a and bu'e, '''zo'e noi bu'a cu bu'e''', '''zo'e poi bu'a cu bu'e''', and '''lo bu'a cu bu'e''' are not all truth-conditionally identical?}}
{{irci|durka42|* durka42 would also not mind such an example}}
{{irci|selpa'i|The point is that '''zo'e noi broda cu brode''' has '''zo'e''' ("all" of them (the referents of '''zo'e''') (though not necessarily distributively)) '''brode''', while '''zo'e poi broda cu brode''' does not. That's all. The first '''zo'e''' might be just one thing, but the latter is most certainly more than one.}}
{{irci|durka42|because '''poi''' narrows a set while '''noi''' jungaus things about the set without changing its members (please excuse my use of the word "set")}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Right. But I don't know if that formulation is helpful (?)}}
{{irci|xalbo|I'm sorry, but what is "the latter" there? Are you saying that '''zo'e poi broda cu brode''' means that there must certainly be more than one referent of '''zo'e'''?}}
{{irci|durka42|that's how I think about noi/poi, but I dunno if it's useful either}}
{{irci|selpa'i|'''poi''' implies a non-singleton domain. Applying it to a singular constant implies (at least pragmatically) a restriction over instances of that singular referent (though it does not logically entail it)}}
{{irci|xalbo|So '''lo mlatu poi blabi cu citka''' is false if there's only one cat, even if it's white and eats?}}
{{irci|selpa'i|No that's a different sentence. Add a '''ku''' before '''poi'''}}
{{irci|xalbo|Point. '''lo mlatu ku poi blabi cu citka'''}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes, so what I said applies there.}}
{{irci|xalbo|Ahh, pragmatic constraint instead of logical. That makes a bit more sense. '''lo mensi be mi ku poi speni cu jibni''' implies (pragmatically) that I have more than one sister, and that at least one is married and at least one is not married, even though in reality I have exactly one, she is married, and the statement is literally true.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes, otherwise why would you use '''poi''', a restrictive relative clause.}}
{{irci|xalbo|Is that what you're getting at? I think we're thinking of '''poi''' and '''noi''' somewhat differently. In particular, I feel like '''noi''' only adds extra information, but doesn't change the referents of anything else. But you're asking it to. '''zo'e citka''' and '''lo mlatu cu citka''' are very different things.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|No, '''noi''' doesn't change referents.}}
{{irci|xalbo|'''zo'e noi mlatu cu citka''' seems to me give something rather different. That is, '''zo'e citka .i lo go'i cu mlatu'''.}}
{{irci|durka42|I would say those *are* the same, if it's obvious to everyone involve that we are taking about mlatues. '''ko catlu lo mlatu .i citka'''}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Not a bad example, since there '''zo'e''' and '''zo'e noi mlatu''' do the same exact thing, because we know what '''zo'e''' is.}}
{{irci|xalbo|'''lo mlatu cu citka''', though, doesn't already assume that we were talking about cats beforehand. Among all the things that '''zo'e''' could potentially mean, it limits it to only those that mlatu. Therefore, '''zo'e poi mlatu cu citka'''}}
{{irci|selpa'i|And the same applies to the xorlo definition '''zo'e''' is not "everything in the Universe of Discourse". '''zo'e''' is what makes the bridi true. What you say sounds more like '''ro da poi mlatu'''}}
{{irci|xalbo|Agreed. I think we disagree about what '''noi''' does.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|How?}}
{{irci|xalbo|I feel like '''noi''' only adds information, but doesn't get to change around the referent. So '''zo'e noi mlatu cu citka''' is only true if '''zo'e citka''' would already have been true in context, and additionally says, of that same contextually found '''zo'e''', that it mlatu.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes, I agree.}}
{{irci|xalbo|Not that you pick a single '''zo'e''' based on both parts, but that the '''noi''' doesn't participate in the choice of '''zo'e''', it only tells you more about it after you've already chosen it.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Yes. I never claimed anything different.}}
{{irci|xalbo|Then if '''lo mlatu cu citka''', '''zo'e poi mlatu cu citka''' is necessarily true, and vice versa (even if '''poi''' seems to be misleading, it's still valid). But there are many cases where '''lo mlatu cu citka''' and '''zo'e noi mlatu cu citka''' diverge in meaning.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|In the previous discussion, I mentioned that '''lo broda''' is only equivalent to '''zo'e noi broda''' if you already know that '''zo'e''' '''broda'''.}}
{{irci|Ilmen|even worse, if '''zo'e .olkai lo ka broda''' :p}}
{{irci|xalbo|And my point is that that makes using '''zo'e noi broda''' worse than useless. You've literally added nothing to the conversation (if you already know that '''zo'e broda'''), except to make things more confusing.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|But it's not something to say in a conversation as much as it is an attempt at a definition or paraphrase. It's trying to paraphrase '''lo broda''' into something that doesn't use '''lo''' And in the context of the definition, we already know that '''zo'e''' brodas}}
{{irci|xalbo|If we already know that '''zo'e''' brodas, then why prefer '''zo'e noi broda''' over just plain '''zo'e'''? Why add the extraneous '''noi broda''' that we already know has to apply?}}
{{irci|selpa'i|It would be strange to define '''lo mlatu''' as just '''zo'e'''. The '''zo'e''' tells us it's a constant, and the '''noi'''-clause makes it extra clear that the '''zo'e''' (and '''lo mlatu''') is satisfying '''mlatu'''}}
{{irci|xalbo|ua nai No, I'm saying define '''lo broda''' as '''zo'e poi broda''' and be done with it.}}
{{irci|selpa'i|It's a meta definition. The '''noi''' is not restricting anything, just explaining to the person who wants to know what '''lo''' does}}
{{irci|xalbo|They're true in exactly the same situations, and we don't need an extra "as long as '''zo'e''' already broda" metadefinition. That is a valid point.}}
{{irci|Ilmen|'''zo'e poi broda''' -> '''lo co'e poi broda''' -> '''lo co'e je broda'''. ie nai pei}}
{{irci|selpa'i|na ru'e drani. '''lo co'e poi broda''' -> '''lo co'e je poi'i broda''' Else you get wrong alignments of x2 x3 etc}}
{{irci|Ilmen|.i'a}}
{{irci|xalbo|So the problem with '''zo'e poi broda''' is that it implies (weakly, pragmatically) that there are other '''zo'e''' around that don't broda (even though it actually works either way). The problem with '''zo'e noi broda''' is that it breaks entirely if there are.}}
{{irci|Ilmen|at any rate for me '''lo co'e je poi'i broda''' does not equal '''lo broda''', in most cases}}
{{irci|xalbo|To me, that makes the former a far better choice for a definition than the later. Ilmen: Defining '''lo''' in terms of '''lo''' is ... co'e. co'e ge'e}}
{{irci|selpa'i|Different strokes. Perhaps you would prefer: '''lo broda cu brode''' <nowiki>=</nowiki> '''ko'a broda .i ko'a brode'''. The '''.i''' is equivalent to '''noi''' Using two sentences, you don't have to bother with relative clauses}}

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|[[:File:tusks-jbo.pdf|lo jirnyde'i be la .usterim.]] [[:File:tusks.zip|(OpenOffice source files)]] Use the 2 pages in 1 view to better enjoy reading!
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|'''[http://www.rice-boy.com/shortstories.php?t=1 The Tusk of Wusterim]'''
|Evan Dahm
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|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|[[la mimis. .e la .iuNIZ.]]
|[[User:Wuzzy|Wuzzy]]
|'''[http://mimiandeunice.com/ Mimi and Eunice]'''
|Nina Paley
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[[la mu'e cuxna lo bradi|la mu'e cuxna lo bradi]]
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|[[la mu'e cuxna lo bradi|la mu'e cuxna lo bradi]]
|la blutolpinxe
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[[la balselfri be la ceitsa]] ni'o pa mo'o [[la pamoi co balselfri be la ceitsa|la cizra zarci]]
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|[[la balselfri be la ceitsa]] Part one: [[la pamoi co balselfri be la ceitsa|la cizra zarci]]
|[[User:Tsani|la tsani]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
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|The '''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/original/lojban_story.html Lojban Storytelling Game]'''
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[[la nicte cadzu|la nicte cadzu]]
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|[[la nicte cadzu|la nicte cadzu]] can all be found at [[Robin's Palm Writings|Robin's Palm Writings]] (because he wrote them on his PDA; yes, really).
|[[User:Robin Lee Powell|la camgusmis]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo vrici
|[[le pluta po'u le mleca se litru|le pluta po'u le mleca se litru]]
|[[cein|la .cein.]]
|''The Road Less Travelled''
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[sidbo|sidbo]]
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|[[sidbo|sidbo]]
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|lo lojbo
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|[[rarna ciska|rarna ciska]]
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|[[rarna ciska|rarna ciska]]
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|[[dunra|dunra]]
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|[[dunra|dunra]]
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|lo lojbo
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|[[la tedyxamsi|la tedyxamsi]]
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|[[la tedyxamsi|la tedyxamsi]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[jitri'u xu venfu|jitri'u xu venfu]]
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|[[jitri'u xu venfu|jitri'u xu venfu]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika|le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika]]
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|[[le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika|le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika]]
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|lo lojbo
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|[[jbocu'e|jbocu'e]]
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|[[Elvish rosetta stone|Elvish rosetta stone]]
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|[[niall and elizas|niall and elizas]]
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|[[talks|talks]]
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|lo lojbo
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|[[counting songs|counting songs]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[ko mi fraxu|ko mi fraxu]]
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|[[ko mi fraxu|ko mi fraxu]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[darvin|darvin]]
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|[[darvin|darvin]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[ckape litru|ckape litru]]
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|[[ckape litru|ckape litru]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[xukydei|xukydei]]
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|[[xukydei|xukydei]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|cukta
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|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta1.html cukta1.html], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta2.html cukta2.html], and [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta3.html cukta3.html]. English translations will be found in [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book1.html book1.html], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book2.html book2.html], and [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book3.html book3.html]
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[za'o senva|za'o senva]]
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|[[za'o senva|za'o senva]]
|[[User:Theodore Alexander Reed|bancus]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[skadji|skadji]]
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|[[skadji|skadji]] from Ziryroi
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
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|[[Silly poems|Silly poems]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[lo vensa brife]]
|[[la gleki]]
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|jungo
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[lo so'i pemci be fi la tsani]]
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|[[lo so'i pemci be fi la tsani]]
|[[User:Tsani|la tsani]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[pemcrxaiku|pemcrxaiku]]
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|[[pemcrxaiku|pemcrxaiku]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[ci'irprosa|ci'irprosa]]
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|[[ci'irprosa|ci'irprosa]]. Preface to Ziryroi
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[sipna pemci, Robin.ca's translation|English translation of ''sipna pemci'']]
|[[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]
|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
|[[User:Broca|Arnt Richard Johansen]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
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|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
|[[User:Broca|Arnt Richard Johansen]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemlimerika
|[[doi dirba|doi dirba]]
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|[[doi dirba|doi dirba]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|[[Lojban rock lyrics|Lojban rock lyrics]]
|[[rab.spir|Rob Speer]]
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|lo lojbo
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|[[Lojban Anthem|Lojban Anthem]]
|music by [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]]; words by [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]] and [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[xirli'u selsanga|xirli'u selsanga]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|Federico García Lorca
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[Litany Against Fear|Litany Against Fear]]
|[[Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|Litany Against Fear from the book Dune by Frank Herbert
|Bene Gesserit
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[Carmina Lojbana|Carmina Lojbana]]
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|Carmina Burana
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113232481 ro roi za'u re'u ji'a]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''いつも何度でも (itsumo-nando-demo)''
|覚和歌子 (KAKU Wakako, pemci), 木村弓 (KIMURA Yumi, zgike)
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113351301 la tcungatcangas pe mu sofybakni zi'e noi xorlo je xorla]'''
|[[la gleki]] joi [[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|la'o ry чунга-чанга ry noi selsa'a
|Yuri Entin (pemci), Vladimir Shainsky (zgike finti), [[User:xorxes|la xorxes]] noi finti lo jufra pe zo sofybakni
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''crisa ditcu''' to '''[https://vimeo.com/113181181 lo skina]''' .a '''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/26278344232/uisai-iosai-iesai-la-tijlan-bao-cnino-ganzu lo sance jo'u selci'a]''' toi
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Summertime''
|DuBose Heyward (pemci), George Gershwin (zgike finti)
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/22846666936/re-moi-vreji-fi-la-byna-uan-solon-i-gau-mi-lo la .byna,uan.solon.]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Bengawan Solo''
|Gesang Martohartono
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/12729919114/jbedetnunsla-uidai-i-jbedetnunsla-uidai-i jbedetnunsla .uidai]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Happy birthday to you''
|lo glico
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/15624731879/a-ea-pao-klama-i-miu-b-ti-seraa-ma-cinla e'a pa'o klama]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''とおりゃんせ (tooryanse)''
|lo ponjo
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|[[mi jbize'a do doi cevni]]
|la .pier.abát.
|la'o gy.'' Nearer, my God, to Thee ''.gy.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/corpus/show/smaji%20nicte%20pensi smaji nicte pensi]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''静夜思 (jìng yè sī)'' (pemci lo mumvlavonli'i la libair)
|李白 (lǐ bái)
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[da pu laldo ninmu co tunlo le sfani|da pu laldo ninmu co tunlo le sfani]]
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|"There once was an old lady who swallowed a fly"
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[The Song That Never Ends|The Song That Never Ends]]
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|The Song That Never Ends
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[The Itsy Bitsy Spider|The Itsy Bitsy Spider]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[Old MacDonald|Old MacDonald]]
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|Old MacDonald
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[le cmalu bloti|le cmalu bloti]]
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|"The Small Boat", a French(?) traditional song
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[da kevna le baktu|da kevna le baktu]]
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|"There's a hole in the bucket"
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[doi .daiz.|doi .daiz.]]
|[[Xavier|la .xavier.]]
|"Daisy"
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[lo mlatu cu bitmu cpare|lo mlatu cu bitmu cpare]]
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|Polish children song [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wlaz%C5%82_kotek_na_p%C5%82otek "Wlazł kotek na płotek"]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[ctoxrula|ctoxrula]]
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|Polish children song "Stokrotka"
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[senva lo melbi|senva lo melbi]]
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|Lullaby(?)
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|'''[https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/3SkKfYiF1Fk/discussion ro lo ma'a datka]''' to [[User:guskant|la guskant]] fa'u [[User:Tijlan|la tijlan]] sanga fa'u zgike bo ganzu ja'e tu'a zoi dy [[:File:datka.mp3|datka.mp3]] dy toi
|[[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|Alle meine Entchen
|lo dotco
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|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|Original Lojban-language page about the MBTI
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|[[le menli cipra pe la .mairz. joi la .brigz.|le menli cipra pe la .mairz. joi la .brigz.]]
|[[User:PlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|A brief description of Tolkien's [[tenguar|Tengwar]] in Lojban
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|[[tenguar|Tengwar]]
|Elrond
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|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/cipra.html cipra lo skari lo vanju]'''
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|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/cipra.html cipra lo skari lo vanju]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi zukte lo xukmi cipra
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|lo lojbo
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/jetnujarco.html jarco lo ka na me la individual]'''
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|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/jetnujarco.html jarco lo ka na me la individual]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi logji je'urja'o
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|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|'''[https://vimeo.com/album/3148016 bripre jikca]'''
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|'''[https://vimeo.com/album/3148016 bripre jikca]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi te skina ku'o joi lo so'i se jbobau
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|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113056241 bripre jikca selsa'a]'''
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|'''[https://vimeo.com/113056241 bripre jikca selsa'a]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi finti lo jufra ku'o joi [[la bripre]] noi sanga ku'o joi [[User:Tijlan|la tijlan]] noi zgike ganzu
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|lo xe fanva
|lo na cfika
|[[The Gateless Gate|The Gateless Gate]]
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|sanxiyn
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|lo xe fanva
|lo na cfika
|[[Single Transferrable Vote|Single Transferrable Vote]] . i lo lojbo info
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|[[Single Transferrable Vote|Single Transferrable Vote]] system
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Broken Phone|Broken Phone]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[la cibyska|la cibyska]]
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|"Tri-Versity"
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Broken Phone|Broken Phone]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Lojban Scrabble|Lojban Scrabble]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[la .nomik.|la .nomik.]]
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|Nomic
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[MMORPG|MMORPG]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Role-playing Games|Role-playing Games]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[kucyvla|kucyvla]]
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|Crossword puzzles
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|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[ctununta'a la feinman fi lo nu kanji|ctununta'a la feinman fi lo nu kanji]]
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|the Feynman Lectures on Computation
|[[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[mathematical proof|mathematical proof]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[Axiom of stratified comprehension--Mekso example|axiom of stratified comprehension]]
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|New Foundations' [[Axiom of stratified comprehension--Mekso example|axiom of stratified comprehension]] in mekso and bridi math.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/algebra A translation of the first page of a higher algebra text]'''
|Nick Nicholas
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|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[Mathematical induction|Mathematical induction]]
|[[User:selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
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|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[lojbo nu menkanji|lojbo nu menkanji]]
|[[User:selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
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|[[Tautologies and Tongue-Twisters In Lojban|Tautologies and Tongue-Twisters in Lojban]]
|la .kevin., [[User:tsali|tsali]], gejyspa
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
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|Mini-sagas on [[Alan Libert|Alan Libert]] [[xaurselfunca gugde|The Lucky Country]], and [[Codex Woldemar|Codex Woldemar]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
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|The renowned argument on palatals in [[tavla fi le tutra pe le terdi|tavla fi le tutra pe le terdi]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113458410 bripre ni'o pa mo'o li re te'a ny.]'''
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|'''[https://vimeo.com/113458410 bripre ni'o pa mo'o li re te'a ny.]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pixra draci
|'''[https://vimeo.com/140852144 bripre ni'o re mo'o lei cmalu narge .e le cmana mlatu]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''どんぐりと山猫 (donguri-to-yamaneko)''
|''宮澤賢治 (MIYAZAWA Kenji)''
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|'''[http://ponjbogri.github.io/cemfanva/niwa/niwa2013.html lu za'ure'u gau draci lo ka gubni sei fe lu'e lo ve ciksi be lo larcu reci bangu cu fanva se'u to lo poi la .ni,uan.iocinor. cu cmizu'e fi ke'a ku'o selpla be ca lo detri be li renonovo ga'o bi'o ga'o renopare toi li'u]'''
|la ponjbogri
|''『公共性を再演する | 作品の解説を23種類の言語に翻訳する丹羽良徳の2004年から2012年の介入プロジェクト』''
|丹羽良徳 (NIWA Yoshinori)
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|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cfika
|[[Hamlet|Hamlet]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
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|lo xe fanva
|lo bangyske
|[[Conlang Test Sentences|Conlang Test Sentences]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
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|lo xe fanva
|lo progyske
|[[Perl the first postmodern programming language|Perl the first postmodern programming language]]
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|Larry Wall
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[The Legend Of Zelda|The Legend of Zelda]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo skina
|[[elephants dream|Elephants Dream]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Comedy Tonight|Comedy Tonight]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Some fables by Aesop]]
|Nick Nicholas
|xelso
|Aesop
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|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/algebra A translation of the first page of a higher algebra text]'''
|Nick Nicholas
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[A few lines from Beowulf]] an attempt to preserve the semantic and syntactic devices of the original
|John Cowan
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Cardplayer]]
|Nick Nicholas
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Christ nor Devil]]
|Nick Nicholas
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Nicene Creed]], a major Christian statement of faith, from the Greek
|Nick Nicholas
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/dialogues_of_the_dead Short story by Lucian of Samosata]''', 2nd-century Greek author
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/freddy_germanos Part of a book by Freddy Germanos]''', modern Greek journalist
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/g s_song Song "The Merryman & His Maid"]''', aka "I Have A Song To Sing, O!" from the Gilbert & Sullivan operetta Yeomen of the Guard
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]].
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Genesis]]
|Mark Shoulson.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/legend A Roman legend]''', composed in Polish by Orzekso, translated into Esperanto by Kabe
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/lithuanian_song translation of an Esperanto translation of a Lithuanian/Polish folk song]'''. The Esperanto version appeared in the Esperanto Fundamental Chrestomathy in 1905
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/lordpray A prosaic version of the Lord's Prayer from the New Testament]'''. From the English, corrected by reference to the Greek
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]].
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/luther_king Martin Luther King's famous "I Have A Dream" speech]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/maxwell_tales Several very short Chinese folk tales]'''
|Preston Maxwell, rev. Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/mikhalski A poem by Soviet Esperantist Evgeny Mikhalski]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/mildew "The Mildew of the World", written in Polish by Boleslaw Prus]''', translated into Esperanto by Kabe
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/moser A self-referential story by David Moser]''', printed in Douglas Hofstadter's column and book Metamagical Themas. Every sentence refers to itself, including the title, which is "This is the title of the story, which is repeated several times in the story itself." Perfect for Lojban
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/red_death The first few paragraphs of Edgar Allan Poe's "The Masque of the Red Death"]'''
|Jorge Llambias.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/ringo-starr An interview by Freddy Germanos of Ringo Starr]''', presumably conducted in English, but published in Greek
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/roughton A text by Ralph Roughton]''', origin unknown
|Colin Fine.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/tsiforos from "Greek Mythology" by modern Greek humorist and slang devotee Nikos Tsiforos]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/whyte A single paragraph by scientist/writer Lancelot Law Whyte]'''. Contains English original, Lojban translation, word-by-word gloss, and a word-by- word gloss of a 1977 Loglan version by J.R. Atkins, showing the different styles of tanru in effect at that time
|Nick Nicholas.
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/words1.txt Lyric from a Suzanne Vega song, "Words"]'''
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]], with commentary based on Nick Nicholas's translation of the same poem into other artificial languages. Also available [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/words_poem.tex in TeX format].
|
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmW92vwNRWw A (very) short video clip in Esperanto] with Lojban subtitles
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|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|'''lojbo kamjikca lisri''' This is a web-based story in lojban that you can add to. At each step of the story, you make a choice. When you reach the end of what others have written, you can add your own part to the story.
|lojbo cecmu
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/original/lojban_story/story/story.pl Lojbanic Interactive Story]'''
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|'''[http://languages.geekworld.dk/wiki/index.php/Freefall_in_Lojban Ongoing wiki translation of the Freefall comics]''' Warning: no translated pictures until any full translation appears.
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la .berbif. joi la .sol.]]
|Nick Nicholas.
|North Wind And Sun
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se cilre
|[[le lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi Ceqli|le lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi Ceqli]] is the Lojban translation of the Ceqli. Note that some comics relax the rule on Lojban orthography. The most common non-standard orthography is for {.i} which in some comic is rendered without the initial dot and in others is replaced by a colon ':'.
|[[User:.aionys.|la .aionys.]]
|[http://ceqli.pbworks.com/w/page/41974416/Ceqli%20through%20pictures Ceqli through pictures]
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le lunra jo'u le mapku]], [[:File:719.sip|le lunra jo'u le mapku]]
|[[la remod]]
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|Noni, Angie & Upesh
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[:File:725.sip|le virnu smani blozeile'a]]
|[[la remod]]
|"The Brave Monkey Pirate"
|Heyes Roberts
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[The Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin]]
|Michael Turniansky
|The Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight]], [[Berenstain_Bears_in_a_Fight.ogg]], [[Berenstain_Fight_Tengwar.zip]]
|Andrew Piekarski, reviewed by Michael Turniansky
|The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight
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|-
|lo lojbo
|lo verba lisri
|[[la teris. po'u lo tirxu cu vitke zi'o le barda tcadu]]
|Michael Turniansky
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|-
|lo sampu lojbo
|lo verba lisri
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/tikitiki "Tikki-Tikki Tembo"]'''
|John Cowan
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|classic Chinese children's folktale
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[:File:890.sip|lo dalpe'o dinsauru]]
|[[la remod]]
|If I had a pet dinosaur
|Gil Robles
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[Goodnight Moon]]
|[[UserPagePlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
|Goodnight Moon
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[Green Eggs and Ham]]
|[[UserPagePlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
|Green Eggs and Ham
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[la cmalu je xunre mapku]]
|[[la vensa]]
|Little Red Riding Hood
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[la .slokrebaf. .e le ci cribe]]
|[[la vensa]]
|Goldilocks and The Three Bears
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le tumcakrespa .e le clakeryractu]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Tortoise and The Hare
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le cmalu je xunre jipcyfe'i]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Little Red Hen
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le dunda tricu]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Giving Tree
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|'''[http://xanrilisri.thecomicseries.com lo'i xanri lisri fi la .esop.]'''
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|la .aisopos.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se sanga
|[[sanga do'e la iore'e palys atinys]]
|la .az.
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|}
==Other resources (to be included into the table)==
*[[lojban music]]
*la'o gy.[[Lojban CVS Server]].gy. cu stuzi lo vrici ke cecmu xe fanva
*There are no [[movies|movies]] yet.
*This is '''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/archives/ Lojbab's full text and text discussion archive]''' (which is actually only complete up until around 1993).
*Some [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/ texts] on the server might not be included into the table above.
* Five files of text and discussion thereof, extracted from '''1994 Lojban List traffic''', may be found in [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m1.txt 1994m1.txt], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m2.txt 1994m2.txt], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m3.txt 1994m3.txt], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m4.txt 1994m4.txt], and [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m5.txt 1994m5.txt]. This was the first year when significant amounts of interactive Lojban text were posted by Lojbanists other than Nick Nicholas, Lojbab, or people taught directly by Lojbab.
* '''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/allphone.ZIP A compendium of the results from runs of the "phone game"]''' a chain letter of translations between Lojban and English with humorous distortions at each step.
*Sh. Holmes: https://github.com/phma/xolmyz
* The Bible:
**'''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/translations/drbible/ la xriso biblia]''' noi du la'o gy.''The Christian Bible''.gy.
**https://github.com/phma/lojban-bible
* [[Old lojban.org Page Translations|Old lojban.org Page Translations]]
== Bilingual works ==
Bilingual texts with explained vocabulary in order of appearance.
* [[:File:relbau tercidu - la teris. vitke zi'o le barda tcadu.pdf|Terry the Tiger Visits the Big City]] (''la teris. vitke zi'o le barda tcadu'')
* [[:File:le saske smani.pdf|The Scientific Ape]] (''le saske smani'')
[[Category:pemci]][[Category:prosa]][[Category:te gerna la lojban]]

te gerna la lojban

2016-09-14T17:20:27Z

Selpahi: la melbi .e le ractu

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!'''se krasi'''
!'''klesi'''
!'''lo lojbo cmene'''
!'''lo lojbo fanva'''
!'''lo krasi cmene'''
!'''lo finti'''
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15495351/la-melbi-e-le-ractu/index.html la melbi .e le ractu]
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| la lalxu
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| lo lojbo
| lo prosa
| [http://selpahi.weebly.com/jbo/mi-zaho-citno «lu mi za'o citno li'u»]
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| [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/143537131514/coi-lo-se-jbobau-joau-zantufa-xi-papipare-i-la skaborfe'a]'''
|[[User:Guskant|la guskant]]
|Scarborough Fair
|lo jufra cu se finti [[User:Guskant|la guskant]]

|-
|lo lojbo jo'u lo xe fanva
|lo prosa jo'u lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/142067679719/spuda-la-selckiku-nou-lae-die-i spuda la selckiku sei la tanbargu cu pagbu]'''
|[[User:Guskant|la guskant]]
|Over the rainbow
|la'o zoi Harold Arlen zoi joi la'o zoi Edgar Yipsel Harburg zoi
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo prosa jo'u lo pemci
|[https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6fUPLWJ-f-SWDlxRi1EUTNlZTg/view?usp=sharing pluta]
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|[https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6fUPLWJ-f-SWDlxRi1EUTNlZTg/view?usp=sharing pluta]
|lo pamoi be lo re pagbu cu ve skicu la lojban bau lo banjupunu .i lo romoi cu jufra fi la lojban fi'e la cogas jo'u la niftyg jo'u la sidas
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/LnbyPkupoMA/discussion ni'o ni'o da'a mo'o notci la si]
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|[https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/LnbyPkupoMA/discussion ni'o ni'o da'a mo'o notci la si]
|la iesk
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|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|[https://vimeo.com/141602354 lo no valsi to bripre ci mo'o toi]
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|[https://vimeo.com/141602354 lo no valsi to bripre ci mo'o toi]
|la iesk noi finti lo jicmu jufra no'u la'au ni'o ni'o da'a mo'o notci la si li'u ku'o joi ke [[la bripre]] joi [[la guskant|la mankant]] vu'o noi sanga ku'o ke'e joi [[la guskant]] noi tapydansu gi'e te skina

|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[pa sepli falnu]]
|[[la gleki]]
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|la Mixail Lermontov noi rusko pemci se cuntu
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|lo xe fanva
|lo skina
|[[la ernace]] cu me lo lisri noi da kartuna filme
|[[la gleki]]
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|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://selpahi.de/oz.html lo se manci te makfa pe la .oz.]
|[[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|''The Wizard of Oz''
|L. Frank Baum
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[lo selfri be la .alis. bei bu'u la selmacygu'e]]
|[[User:Xorxes|la xorxes]]
|''Alice's Adventures In Wonderland''
|''Lewis Carroll''
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le xlali cfari]]
|[[la gleki]]
|''The Bad Beginning''
|la'ogy.Lemony Snicket.gy.
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le cmalu noltru]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|''Le Petit Prince''
|''Antoine de Saint-Exupéry''
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[ca lo kurki cacra]]
|la [[nitcion]] e [[la gleki]]
|''On A Bitter Occasion''
|Kalman Kalocsay, Esperanto poet
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[daudydjin|.daudydjin.]]
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|''Tao Te Ching''
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[American Declaration of Independence|lo amerik ke gubni se cusku pe lo nu zifre]]
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|''American Declaration of Independence''
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|-
|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le prije ctuca]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
|''The Prophet''
|''Kahlil Gibran''
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[lo nu binxo]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|''Die Verwandlung'' (Spanish translation)
|''Franz Kafka''
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[lo nenri be lo spati denmi]]
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''藪の中 (yabu-no-naka)''
|''芥川龍之介 (AKUTAGAWA Ryunosuke)''
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Little Things|Little Things]]
|[[User:Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|''Little Things''
|''Raymond Carver''
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[tu'a le cukta|tu'a le cukta]]
|[[User:Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|The Book
|H. P. [[Lovecraft|Lovecraft]]
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[My Version of 'The Book'|My version of 'The Book']]
|[[Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
|The Book
|H. P. [[Lovecraft|Lovecraft]]
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le nanmu kujo'u le since|le nanmu kujo'u le since]]
|[[User:Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|The man and the Snake
|Ambrose Bierce
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Emerald Tablets|Emerald Tablets]]
|la kreig.daniyl
|[[Emerald Tablets|Emerald Tablets]]
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://selpahi.de/snimeblabi.html la snime blabi]
|[[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|[http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneewittchen Schneewittchen]
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[gilgamec|prologue to Gilgamesh]]
|Andrew Piekarski
|Gilgamesh
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le gusta co minde mutce|The Restaurant of Many Orders]]
|[[User:Tijlan|tijlan]]
|The Restaurant of Many Orders
|宮澤賢治 (MIYAZAWA Kenji)
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[ko'a marji lo rectu|ko'a marji lo rectu]]
|Pierre Abbat
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|Terry Bisson
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Not a Box|Not a Box]]
|Michael Turniansky
|Not a Box
|Antoinette Portis
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Esther|la .ester.]]
|Michael Turniansky
|The Bible. Esther
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[donkixotes|Don Quixote]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|Don Quixote
|Cervantes
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[:File:makin.pdf|la .makin.]]
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le junla zbasu|The Clockmaker]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|R. L. Stevenson
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le saske smani|The Scientific Ape]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|R. L. Stevenson
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la ckuzda pe la babel]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|La Biblioteca de Babel
|Jorge Luis Borges
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[nuncanci la krispinas ambylis]]
|[[User:Adam Cooper|komfo,amonan]]
|The disappearance of Crispina Umberleigh
|Saki
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le mu xamgu pe lo nunji'e]]
|[[User:Adam Cooper|komfo,amonan]]
|The five boons of life
|Mark Twain
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la lisri be lo nanla joi lo cipnrfalko]]
|[[User:Tsani|la tsani]]
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la krasi be lai .xacacin.]]
|[[User:Tsani|la tsani]]
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la tcuang e le toldi|la tcuang e le toldi]]
|chrisdone
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[The Princess and the Pea|The Princess and the Pea]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[carvi|carvi]]
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
|Rain
|
|-
|lo vrici
|lo jai zdile
|[[zdilisri]]
|Yanis Batura
|Anecdotes in Lojban
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo jai zdile
|[[AllYourBase]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
|All your base are belong to us
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo lisxra
|[[lei lojbo|lei lojbo]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
|Lojbanic comics (Original)
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo lisxra
|'''[http://idiomdrottning.org Sandra Snan comics]'''
|lo lojbo cecmu
|Lojbanic comics (Original)
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo lisxra
|'''[http://jbotcan.org/jbo/src/1365368758728.png nu fipkalte bu'u la jbogu'e]'''
|lo lojbo cecmu
|Very badly drawn, very lame pun (in Lojban)
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|'''[http://jbotcan.org/jbo/src/1365368758728.png nu fipkalte bu'u la jbogu'e]'''
|lo lojbo cecmu
|Very badly drawn, very lame pun (in Lojban)
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|[[:File:lenumakfaprami.pdf|le nu makfa prami]] [[:File:lenumakfaprami src.zip|(OpenOffice source files)]]
|remod
|'''[http://sciacalloelettronico.it/webcomix/aloi/strega.pdf Witch in love]'''
|Sonia Aloi & Giovanni Manzoni
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|[[:File:linsi daplu-jbo.pdf|le linsi daplu]] [[:File:linsi daplu.zip|(OpenOffice source files)]]
|remod
|'''[http://www.rice-boy.com/shortstories.php?ti=1 The Tethered Isle]'''
|Evan Dahm
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|[[:File:tusks-jbo.pdf|lo jirnyde'i be la .usterim.]] [[:File:tusks.zip|(OpenOffice source files)]] Use the 2 pages in 1 view to better enjoy reading!
|remod
|'''[http://www.rice-boy.com/shortstories.php?t=1 The Tusk of Wusterim]'''
|Evan Dahm
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|[[la mimis. .e la .iuNIZ.]]
|[[User:Wuzzy|Wuzzy]]
|'''[http://mimiandeunice.com/ Mimi and Eunice]'''
|Nina Paley
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[[la mu'e cuxna lo bradi|la mu'e cuxna lo bradi]]
|
|[[la mu'e cuxna lo bradi|la mu'e cuxna lo bradi]]
|la blutolpinxe
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[[la balselfri be la ceitsa]] ni'o pa mo'o [[la pamoi co balselfri be la ceitsa|la cizra zarci]]
|
|[[la balselfri be la ceitsa]] Part one: [[la pamoi co balselfri be la ceitsa|la cizra zarci]]
|[[User:Tsani|la tsani]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|
|
|The '''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/original/lojban_story.html Lojban Storytelling Game]'''
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[[la nicte cadzu|la nicte cadzu]]
|
|[[la nicte cadzu|la nicte cadzu]] can all be found at [[Robin's Palm Writings|Robin's Palm Writings]] (because he wrote them on his PDA; yes, really).
|[[User:Robin Lee Powell|la camgusmis]]
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo vrici
|[[le pluta po'u le mleca se litru|le pluta po'u le mleca se litru]]
|[[cein|la .cein.]]
|''The Road Less Travelled''
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[sidbo|sidbo]]
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|[[sidbo|sidbo]]
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|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[rarna ciska|rarna ciska]]
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|[[rarna ciska|rarna ciska]]
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|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[dunra|dunra]]
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|[[dunra|dunra]]
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|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[la tedyxamsi|la tedyxamsi]]
|
|[[la tedyxamsi|la tedyxamsi]]
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|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[jitri'u xu venfu|jitri'u xu venfu]]
|
|[[jitri'u xu venfu|jitri'u xu venfu]]
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|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika|le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika]]
|
|[[le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika|le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika]]
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[jbocu'e|jbocu'e]]
|
|[[jbocu'e|jbocu'e]]
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|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|
|
|[[Elvish rosetta stone|Elvish rosetta stone]]
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|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|
|
|[[niall and elizas|niall and elizas]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|
|
|[[talks|talks]]
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|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|
|
|[[counting songs|counting songs]]
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|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[ko mi fraxu|ko mi fraxu]]
|
|[[ko mi fraxu|ko mi fraxu]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[darvin|darvin]]
|
|[[darvin|darvin]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[ckape litru|ckape litru]]
|
|[[ckape litru|ckape litru]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[xukydei|xukydei]]
|
|[[xukydei|xukydei]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|cukta
|
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta1.html cukta1.html], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta2.html cukta2.html], and [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta3.html cukta3.html]. English translations will be found in [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book1.html book1.html], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book2.html book2.html], and [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book3.html book3.html]
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[za'o senva|za'o senva]]
|
|[[za'o senva|za'o senva]]
|[[User:Theodore Alexander Reed|bancus]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[skadji|skadji]]
|
|[[skadji|skadji]] from Ziryroi
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|
|
|[[Silly poems|Silly poems]]
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[lo vensa brife]]
|[[la gleki]]
|
|jungo
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[lo so'i pemci be fi la tsani]]
|
|[[lo so'i pemci be fi la tsani]]
|[[User:Tsani|la tsani]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[pemcrxaiku|pemcrxaiku]]
|
|[[pemcrxaiku|pemcrxaiku]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[ci'irprosa|ci'irprosa]]
|
|[[ci'irprosa|ci'irprosa]]. Preface to Ziryroi
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[sipna pemci, Robin.ca's translation|English translation of ''sipna pemci'']]
|[[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]
|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
|[[User:Broca|Arnt Richard Johansen]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
|
|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
|[[User:Broca|Arnt Richard Johansen]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemlimerika
|[[doi dirba|doi dirba]]
|
|[[doi dirba|doi dirba]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|
|
|[[Lojban rock lyrics|Lojban rock lyrics]]
|[[rab.spir|Rob Speer]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|
|
|[[Lojban Anthem|Lojban Anthem]]
|music by [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]]; words by [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]] and [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]]
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[xirli'u selsanga|xirli'u selsanga]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|
|Federico García Lorca
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[Litany Against Fear|Litany Against Fear]]
|[[Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|Litany Against Fear from the book Dune by Frank Herbert
|Bene Gesserit
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[Carmina Lojbana|Carmina Lojbana]]
|
|Carmina Burana
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113232481 ro roi za'u re'u ji'a]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''いつも何度でも (itsumo-nando-demo)''
|覚和歌子 (KAKU Wakako, pemci), 木村弓 (KIMURA Yumi, zgike)
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113351301 la tcungatcangas pe mu sofybakni zi'e noi xorlo je xorla]'''
|[[la gleki]] joi [[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|la'o ry чунга-чанга ry noi selsa'a
|Yuri Entin (pemci), Vladimir Shainsky (zgike finti), [[User:xorxes|la xorxes]] noi finti lo jufra pe zo sofybakni
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''crisa ditcu''' to '''[https://vimeo.com/113181181 lo skina]''' .a '''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/26278344232/uisai-iosai-iesai-la-tijlan-bao-cnino-ganzu lo sance jo'u selci'a]''' toi
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Summertime''
|DuBose Heyward (pemci), George Gershwin (zgike finti)
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/22846666936/re-moi-vreji-fi-la-byna-uan-solon-i-gau-mi-lo la .byna,uan.solon.]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Bengawan Solo''
|Gesang Martohartono
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/12729919114/jbedetnunsla-uidai-i-jbedetnunsla-uidai-i jbedetnunsla .uidai]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Happy birthday to you''
|lo glico
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/15624731879/a-ea-pao-klama-i-miu-b-ti-seraa-ma-cinla e'a pa'o klama]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''とおりゃんせ (tooryanse)''
|lo ponjo
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|[[mi jbize'a do doi cevni]]
|la .pier.abát.
|la'o gy.'' Nearer, my God, to Thee ''.gy.
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/corpus/show/smaji%20nicte%20pensi smaji nicte pensi]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''静夜思 (jìng yè sī)'' (pemci lo mumvlavonli'i la libair)
|李白 (lǐ bái)
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[da pu laldo ninmu co tunlo le sfani|da pu laldo ninmu co tunlo le sfani]]
|
|"There once was an old lady who swallowed a fly"
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[The Song That Never Ends|The Song That Never Ends]]
|
|The Song That Never Ends
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[The Itsy Bitsy Spider|The Itsy Bitsy Spider]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[Old MacDonald|Old MacDonald]]
|
|Old MacDonald
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[le cmalu bloti|le cmalu bloti]]
|
|"The Small Boat", a French(?) traditional song
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[da kevna le baktu|da kevna le baktu]]
|
|"There's a hole in the bucket"
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[doi .daiz.|doi .daiz.]]
|[[Xavier|la .xavier.]]
|"Daisy"
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[lo mlatu cu bitmu cpare|lo mlatu cu bitmu cpare]]
|
|Polish children song [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wlaz%C5%82_kotek_na_p%C5%82otek "Wlazł kotek na płotek"]
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[ctoxrula|ctoxrula]]
|
|Polish children song "Stokrotka"
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[senva lo melbi|senva lo melbi]]
|
|Lullaby(?)
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|'''[https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/3SkKfYiF1Fk/discussion ro lo ma'a datka]''' to [[User:guskant|la guskant]] fa'u [[User:Tijlan|la tijlan]] sanga fa'u zgike bo ganzu ja'e tu'a zoi dy [[:File:datka.mp3|datka.mp3]] dy toi
|[[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|Alle meine Entchen
|lo dotco
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|Original Lojban-language page about the MBTI
|
|[[le menli cipra pe la .mairz. joi la .brigz.|le menli cipra pe la .mairz. joi la .brigz.]]
|[[User:PlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|A brief description of Tolkien's [[tenguar|Tengwar]] in Lojban
|
|[[tenguar|Tengwar]]
|Elrond
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/cipra.html cipra lo skari lo vanju]'''
|
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/cipra.html cipra lo skari lo vanju]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi zukte lo xukmi cipra
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/jetnujarco.html jarco lo ka na me la individual]'''
|
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/jetnujarco.html jarco lo ka na me la individual]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi logji je'urja'o
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|'''[https://vimeo.com/album/3148016 bripre jikca]'''
|
|'''[https://vimeo.com/album/3148016 bripre jikca]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi te skina ku'o joi lo so'i se jbobau
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113056241 bripre jikca selsa'a]'''
|
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113056241 bripre jikca selsa'a]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi finti lo jufra ku'o joi [[la bripre]] noi sanga ku'o joi [[User:Tijlan|la tijlan]] noi zgike ganzu
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo na cfika
|[[The Gateless Gate|The Gateless Gate]]
|
|
|sanxiyn
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo na cfika
|[[Single Transferrable Vote|Single Transferrable Vote]] . i lo lojbo info
|
|[[Single Transferrable Vote|Single Transferrable Vote]] system
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Broken Phone|Broken Phone]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[la cibyska|la cibyska]]
|
|"Tri-Versity"
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Broken Phone|Broken Phone]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Lojban Scrabble|Lojban Scrabble]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[la .nomik.|la .nomik.]]
|
|Nomic
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[MMORPG|MMORPG]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Role-playing Games|Role-playing Games]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[kucyvla|kucyvla]]
|
|Crossword puzzles
|
|-
|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[ctununta'a la feinman fi lo nu kanji|ctununta'a la feinman fi lo nu kanji]]
|
|the Feynman Lectures on Computation
|[[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[mathematical proof|mathematical proof]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[Axiom of stratified comprehension--Mekso example|axiom of stratified comprehension]]
|
|New Foundations' [[Axiom of stratified comprehension--Mekso example|axiom of stratified comprehension]] in mekso and bridi math.
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/algebra A translation of the first page of a higher algebra text]'''
|Nick Nicholas
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[Mathematical induction|Mathematical induction]]
|[[User:selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|
|
|-
|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[lojbo nu menkanji|lojbo nu menkanji]]
|[[User:selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|
|
|[[Tautologies and Tongue-Twisters In Lojban|Tautologies and Tongue-Twisters in Lojban]]
|la .kevin., [[User:tsali|tsali]], gejyspa
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|
|
|Mini-sagas on [[Alan Libert|Alan Libert]] [[xaurselfunca gugde|The Lucky Country]], and [[Codex Woldemar|Codex Woldemar]]
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|
|
|The renowned argument on palatals in [[tavla fi le tutra pe le terdi|tavla fi le tutra pe le terdi]]
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113458410 bripre ni'o pa mo'o li re te'a ny.]'''
|
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113458410 bripre ni'o pa mo'o li re te'a ny.]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pixra draci
|'''[https://vimeo.com/140852144 bripre ni'o re mo'o lei cmalu narge .e le cmana mlatu]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''どんぐりと山猫 (donguri-to-yamaneko)''
|''宮澤賢治 (MIYAZAWA Kenji)''
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|'''[http://ponjbogri.github.io/cemfanva/niwa/niwa2013.html lu za'ure'u gau draci lo ka gubni sei fe lu'e lo ve ciksi be lo larcu reci bangu cu fanva se'u to lo poi la .ni,uan.iocinor. cu cmizu'e fi ke'a ku'o selpla be ca lo detri be li renonovo ga'o bi'o ga'o renopare toi li'u]'''
|la ponjbogri
|''『公共性を再演する | 作品の解説を23種類の言語に翻訳する丹羽良徳の2004年から2012年の介入プロジェクト』''
|丹羽良徳 (NIWA Yoshinori)
|-
|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cfika
|[[Hamlet|Hamlet]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo bangyske
|[[Conlang Test Sentences|Conlang Test Sentences]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo progyske
|[[Perl the first postmodern programming language|Perl the first postmodern programming language]]
|
|
|Larry Wall
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[The Legend Of Zelda|The Legend of Zelda]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo skina
|[[elephants dream|Elephants Dream]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Comedy Tonight|Comedy Tonight]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Some fables by Aesop]]
|Nick Nicholas
|xelso
|Aesop
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/algebra A translation of the first page of a higher algebra text]'''
|Nick Nicholas
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[A few lines from Beowulf]] an attempt to preserve the semantic and syntactic devices of the original
|John Cowan
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Cardplayer]]
|Nick Nicholas
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Christ nor Devil]]
|Nick Nicholas
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Nicene Creed]], a major Christian statement of faith, from the Greek
|Nick Nicholas
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/dialogues_of_the_dead Short story by Lucian of Samosata]''', 2nd-century Greek author
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/freddy_germanos Part of a book by Freddy Germanos]''', modern Greek journalist
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/g s_song Song "The Merryman & His Maid"]''', aka "I Have A Song To Sing, O!" from the Gilbert & Sullivan operetta Yeomen of the Guard
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]].
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Genesis]]
|Mark Shoulson.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/legend A Roman legend]''', composed in Polish by Orzekso, translated into Esperanto by Kabe
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/lithuanian_song translation of an Esperanto translation of a Lithuanian/Polish folk song]'''. The Esperanto version appeared in the Esperanto Fundamental Chrestomathy in 1905
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/lordpray A prosaic version of the Lord's Prayer from the New Testament]'''. From the English, corrected by reference to the Greek
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]].
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/luther_king Martin Luther King's famous "I Have A Dream" speech]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/maxwell_tales Several very short Chinese folk tales]'''
|Preston Maxwell, rev. Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/mikhalski A poem by Soviet Esperantist Evgeny Mikhalski]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/mildew "The Mildew of the World", written in Polish by Boleslaw Prus]''', translated into Esperanto by Kabe
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/moser A self-referential story by David Moser]''', printed in Douglas Hofstadter's column and book Metamagical Themas. Every sentence refers to itself, including the title, which is "This is the title of the story, which is repeated several times in the story itself." Perfect for Lojban
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/red_death The first few paragraphs of Edgar Allan Poe's "The Masque of the Red Death"]'''
|Jorge Llambias.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/ringo-starr An interview by Freddy Germanos of Ringo Starr]''', presumably conducted in English, but published in Greek
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/roughton A text by Ralph Roughton]''', origin unknown
|Colin Fine.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/tsiforos from "Greek Mythology" by modern Greek humorist and slang devotee Nikos Tsiforos]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/whyte A single paragraph by scientist/writer Lancelot Law Whyte]'''. Contains English original, Lojban translation, word-by-word gloss, and a word-by- word gloss of a 1977 Loglan version by J.R. Atkins, showing the different styles of tanru in effect at that time
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/words1.txt Lyric from a Suzanne Vega song, "Words"]'''
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]], with commentary based on Nick Nicholas's translation of the same poem into other artificial languages. Also available [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/words_poem.tex in TeX format].
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmW92vwNRWw A (very) short video clip in Esperanto] with Lojban subtitles
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|'''lojbo kamjikca lisri''' This is a web-based story in lojban that you can add to. At each step of the story, you make a choice. When you reach the end of what others have written, you can add your own part to the story.
|lojbo cecmu
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/original/lojban_story/story/story.pl Lojbanic Interactive Story]'''
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|'''[http://languages.geekworld.dk/wiki/index.php/Freefall_in_Lojban Ongoing wiki translation of the Freefall comics]''' Warning: no translated pictures until any full translation appears.
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la .berbif. joi la .sol.]]
|Nick Nicholas.
|North Wind And Sun
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se cilre
|[[le lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi Ceqli|le lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi Ceqli]] is the Lojban translation of the Ceqli. Note that some comics relax the rule on Lojban orthography. The most common non-standard orthography is for {.i} which in some comic is rendered without the initial dot and in others is replaced by a colon ':'.
|[[User:.aionys.|la .aionys.]]
|[http://ceqli.pbworks.com/w/page/41974416/Ceqli%20through%20pictures Ceqli through pictures]
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le lunra jo'u le mapku]], [[:File:719.sip|le lunra jo'u le mapku]]
|[[la remod]]
|
|Noni, Angie & Upesh
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[:File:725.sip|le virnu smani blozeile'a]]
|[[la remod]]
|"The Brave Monkey Pirate"
|Heyes Roberts
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[The Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin]]
|Michael Turniansky
|The Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight]], [[Berenstain_Bears_in_a_Fight.ogg]], [[Berenstain_Fight_Tengwar.zip]]
|Andrew Piekarski, reviewed by Michael Turniansky
|The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo verba lisri
|[[la teris. po'u lo tirxu cu vitke zi'o le barda tcadu]]
|Michael Turniansky
|
|
|-
|lo sampu lojbo
|lo verba lisri
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/tikitiki "Tikki-Tikki Tembo"]'''
|John Cowan
|
|classic Chinese children's folktale
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[:File:890.sip|lo dalpe'o dinsauru]]
|[[la remod]]
|If I had a pet dinosaur
|Gil Robles
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[Goodnight Moon]]
|[[UserPagePlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
|Goodnight Moon
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[Green Eggs and Ham]]
|[[UserPagePlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
|Green Eggs and Ham
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[la cmalu je xunre mapku]]
|[[la vensa]]
|Little Red Riding Hood
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[la .slokrebaf. .e le ci cribe]]
|[[la vensa]]
|Goldilocks and The Three Bears
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le tumcakrespa .e le clakeryractu]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Tortoise and The Hare
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le cmalu je xunre jipcyfe'i]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Little Red Hen
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le dunda tricu]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Giving Tree
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|'''[http://xanrilisri.thecomicseries.com lo'i xanri lisri fi la .esop.]'''
|
|
|la .aisopos.
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se sanga
|[[sanga do'e la iore'e palys atinys]]
|la .az.
|
|
|}
==Other resources (to be included into the table)==
*[[lojban music]]
*la'o gy.[[Lojban CVS Server]].gy. cu stuzi lo vrici ke cecmu xe fanva
*There are no [[movies|movies]] yet.
*This is '''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/archives/ Lojbab's full text and text discussion archive]''' (which is actually only complete up until around 1993).
*Some [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/ texts] on the server might not be included into the table above.
* Five files of text and discussion thereof, extracted from '''1994 Lojban List traffic''', may be found in [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m1.txt 1994m1.txt], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m2.txt 1994m2.txt], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m3.txt 1994m3.txt], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m4.txt 1994m4.txt], and [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m5.txt 1994m5.txt]. This was the first year when significant amounts of interactive Lojban text were posted by Lojbanists other than Nick Nicholas, Lojbab, or people taught directly by Lojbab.
* '''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/allphone.ZIP A compendium of the results from runs of the "phone game"]''' a chain letter of translations between Lojban and English with humorous distortions at each step.
*Sh. Holmes: https://github.com/phma/xolmyz
* The Bible:
**'''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/translations/drbible/ la xriso biblia]''' noi du la'o gy.''The Christian Bible''.gy.
**https://github.com/phma/lojban-bible
* [[Old lojban.org Page Translations|Old lojban.org Page Translations]]
== Bilingual works ==
Bilingual texts with explained vocabulary in order of appearance.
* [[:File:relbau tercidu - la teris. vitke zi'o le barda tcadu.pdf|Terry the Tiger Visits the Big City]] (''la teris. vitke zi'o le barda tcadu'')
* [[:File:le saske smani.pdf|The Scientific Ape]] (''le saske smani'')
[[Category:pemci]][[Category:prosa]][[Category:te gerna la lojban]]

nuzba/en

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Selpahi:

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== News ==</noinclude>__NOEDITSECTION__
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===1 June 2016===
[[nuzba/en#1 June 2016|-]] [[la selpa'i]] published [http://selpahi.weebly.com/jbo/mi-zaho-citno lu mi za'o citno li'u], an original short story in Lojban.
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===28 April 2016===
[[nuzba/en#28 April 2016|-]] [[la guskant]] published [http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/143537131514/coi-lo-se-jbobau-joau-zantufa-xi-papipare-i-la la skaborfe'a], a protest song against [http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_letter/open_letter.html Gleki's dictatorship] and [[The egocentrism of a Lojban community|the egocentrism of a Lojban community]].
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===30 January 2016===
[[nuzba/en#30 January 2016|-]] [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu la ponjboci'ogri] published [https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6fUPLWJ-f-SWDlxRi1EUTNlZTg/view?usp=sharing a free pdf file of the group book], of which the printed book was sold in November 2015. The first part contains description of Lojban in Japanese, and the second part contains original texts in Lojban by la cogas, la niftyg and la sidas.
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== Archives ==

=== 2016===
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===January 2016===
[[nuzba/en#00 January 2016|-]] Premiere of [http://eriknatanaelgustafsson.com/index.php/stycken/ovrigt/8-svenska/verk/48-progress Progress], a contemporary music containing Lojban sentences composed by Erik Natanael Gustafsson, was held at the Academy of Music and Drama of University of Gothenburg.
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=== 2015 ===
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===25 December 2015===
[[nuzba/en#25 December 2015|-]] [http://masatohagiwara.net/ Masato Hagiwara] released [http://lojban.lilyx.net/zmifanva/ zmifanva], a Lojban-English machine translation engine based on phrase-based statistical machine translation.
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===23 November 2015===
[[nuzba/en#23 November 2015|-]] [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu la ponjboci'ogri] [https://twitter.com/cogas_uasanbon/status/668620645278683137 sold group books at a temporary market.]
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===7 October 2015===
[[nuzba/en#7 October 2015|-]] [[la guskant]] released la bripre episode 3 «[https://vimeo.com/141602354 lo no valsi]», a musical based on the text «[https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/LnbyPkupoMA/discussion ni'o ni'o da'a mo'o notci la si]» created by la iesk.
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===18 August 2015===
[[nuzba/en#18 August 2015|-]] [https://twitter.com/Djemynai la djemynai] released «[http://djemynai.bandcamp.com/album/tensaia tensaĭa]», a new rap single with lyrics in lojban, and an accompanying English translation of the lyrics.
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===7 August 2015===
[[nuzba/en#7 August 2015|-]] "[[BPFK Section: cmevla|Dotside]]", the practice of bookending [[cmevla]] with "dots" (denpa bu), [https://groups.google.com/d/topic/bpfk-list/dnmLsaFk22A/discussion has been approved] by [[BPFK]] as a candidate standard. Additionally, you can now follow [https://twitter.com/LojbanBPFK BPFK on Twitter].
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===31 July 2015===
[[nuzba/en#31 July 2015|-]] [https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu/KRbVjuX_GOA/discussion la ponjo lojbo citno girzu will sell a lojban literature book at a temporary shop managed by them and Esperantists.]
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===28 July 2015===
[[nuzba/en#28 July 2015|-]] [[BPFK]] (baupla fuzykamni), Lojban's language planning committee, was [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bpfk-list/SXxIpMLgL5s/M0yMTFEMSvoJ called to order] on the [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/bpfk-list bpfk-list]. Initial topics of discussion include membership, voting, and the use of lojban in committee proceedings.
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===12 July 2015===
[[nuzba/en#12 July 2015|-]] la .cogas. published [https://soundcloud.com/cogas-iuk/sunday-10-38-pm «claxu be do crisa»] ("Summer Without You"), a new original song in Lojban.
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===28 June 2015===
[[nuzba/en#28 June 2015|-]] The [[LLG Board of Directors]] have re-elected Robert Lechavalier as President. And Rosta has been elected Vice President. Riley Martinez-Lynch has been elected as Secretary/Treasurer. Many thanks to outgoing Vice President Veijo Vilva, and long time Secretary/Treasurer Robin Lee Powell.
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===21 June 2015===
[[nuzba/en#21 June 2015|-]] la djemynai published [https://djemynai.bandcamp.com/album/zao an album of lojban songs] "ZA'O".
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===15 June 2015===
[[nuzba/en#15 June 2015|-]] The whole dying corpus at corpus.lojban.org was rescued by la guskant and la danr, and is available by la [[korpora zei sisku]].
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===5 May 2015===
[[nuzba/en#5 May 2015|-]] [[La Guskant]] and [[User:Tijlan|La Tijlan]] published a new song and video in Lojban, [https://vimeo.com/126974807 ro lo ma'a datka] ("All of our ducks").
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===4 May 2015===
[[nuzba/en#4 May 2015|-]] Corbin Simpson published his second lojban song [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG-JKVBn6c4 cicricfoi bartu] ("It's a Jungle out There" by Randy Newman).
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===23 April 2015===
[[nuzba/en#23 April 2015|-]] [[La Gleki]] [https://www.facebook.com/groups/lojban/permalink/10152869763166705 announced] the development of [http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/i/muplis/index.html#sisku/ocean la muplis], a tool for quickly searching the corpus of Lojban sample sentences at [http://tatoeba.org tatoeba.org].
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===20 April 2015===
[[nuzba/en#20 April 2015|-]] The [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting]] of [[LLG]] was adjourned. Thank you to everyone who participated!
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===9 April 2015===
[[nuzba/en#9 April 2015|-]] A [http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=158336 game of Diplomacy] is launched, with all negotiations to be carried out in Lojban. xorxes won a [http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=80849 previous game], which was played from February-April 2012.
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===30 March 2015===
[[nuzba/en#30 March 2015|-]] Thanks to the efforts of [[La Gleki]] and [[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin]], the [[LMW|Lojbanic MediaWiki]] was rededicated as the new main lojban.org web site. The older site is still available at [http://tiki.lojban.org tiki.lojban.org] for the time being.
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===22 March 2015===
[[nuzba/en#22 March 2015|-]] Following the [[BPFK Reauthorization|reauthorization of BPFK]], [[La Selpa'i]] was elected as the chair of [[baupla fuzykamni|BPFK]] as part of the ongoing [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting]]. A slate of [[BPFK Members|members]] were also elected: Pierre Abbat, [[La Gleki]], durka42, [[La Ilmen]], [[La Xorxes]], [[La Xalbo]], And Rosta and [[La Guskant]].
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===26 February 2015===
[[nuzba/en#26 February 2015|-]] Corbin Simpson published his first lojban song [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9-YzMMp-1A galmauloi] ("Higher Ground" by Stevie Wonder).
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===24 February 2015===
[[nuzba/en#24 February 2015|-]] [[LLG Members]] at the [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting]] approved a [[BPFK Reauthorization|reauthorization]] of [[baupla fuzykamni|BPFK]]. BPFK is reorganized as a standing committee with the charge of improving and maintaining formal descriptions of Lojban, elaborating undocumented and under-documented language features, resolving inconsistencies and errors in existing documentation, and responding to issues that arise in usage.
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===15 February 2015===
[[nuzba/en#15 February 2015|-]] A [https://github.com/lojban/cll/milestones/Prince%20volunteers%20formatting%20review review of formatting issues in the Prince PDF build of CLL] started on February 1. A [http://alexburka.com/lojban/prince.php continuous build], which picks up changes as they are committed to the shared repository and then generates an updated PDF, was created by durka42 to aid this effort. After two weeks, 7 out of 19 chapters have been reviewed.
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===17 January 2015===
[[nuzba/en#17 January 2015|-]] An IRC session of the [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting]] has been announced for Sunday, January 18, 2015, to take place in the #lojban channel at irc.freenode.net at 4pm UTC (8am PST, 11am EST, 5pm Paris/Berlin, 7pm Moscow, 1am January 19 Tokyo). The topic of the session will be CLL and the future of BPFK. See the [[Lojban IRC]] for details of how to connect to IRC.
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===13 January 2015===
[[nuzba/en#13 January 2015|-]] [[John Cowan]] was awarded the [[LLG Honorary Officers|honorary title]] of "Archgrammarian" or "balgenpre" in recognition of the magnitude of his contributions to Lojban, and his many years as a member, director and officer of LLG.
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===10 January 2015===
[[nuzba/en#10 January 2015|-]] The 2014 election for the Logical Language Group Board of Directors, held among members at the [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting]] (ongoing), was finalized: Arkadii Balandin, Craig B. Daniel, Ali Sajid Imani, Riley Martinez-Lynch, and And Rosta were newly elected to the Board. Robert LeChevalier and Timo Paulssen were re-elected.
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=== 2014 ===

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===15 December 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] At the [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting of LLG]] (ongoing), an unprecedented nine lojbanists from six different countries were admitted as voting members of the Logical Language Group. Welcome az, durka, gleki, guskant, ilmen, mukti, selpa'i, tsani, and xalbo!

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===15 November 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/c6fXtgkPdWQ bripre jikca 9]", the tenth and final episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {skari} ("color") and it includes texts by keidji, niftg, mukti, xorxes, and junpen on that topic, as well as readings by mizu'e and durka42.

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===3 November 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] The 2014 annual member's meeting of [[The Logical Language Group]] convened on November 3. The meeting will be conducted on the [http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members llg-members mailing list] with at least one IRC session to be announced. Please respond to the [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/thV52S9d6hc announcement] on the lojban-list if you do not currently have access to llg-members, but you wish to observe or participate in the meeting. The agenda includes [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/7IS0b62FKhE/A_8FQo6QYAYJ a clarification of bylaw amendments that were approved at the 2003 meeting] and a discussion of [[Official Baseline Statement (2002/2003)|baseline policies]].

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===31 October 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/N2ibcTzGZ7w bripre jikca 8]", the ninth episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is '''fulta''' (''floating'') and it includes chef mankant's recipe for a floating island, and texts on that subject from la durka and la niftg. Submissions are requested by November 8 for the next episode (theme: '''skari''' - ''color''), to be published November 15. bripre and mankant are taking a well deserved vacation, so this will be the last episode for the time being.

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===18 October 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/C7YvHiyXeao bripre jikca 7]", the eigth episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {santa} ("umbrella") and it includes texts on that subject from graywyvern, lojytan, niftg, durka42 and mukti. Submissions are requested by October 25 for the next episode (theme: {fulta} -- "floating"), to be published November 1.

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===6 October 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/N-Y9eBBTrxU lo jbobau cu mo]", a new "jbo-rap" by selpa'i, featuring danr, Ilmen, and durka42 is released. It is described as a "commentary on the current situation in 'Lojbanistan'" and "a call to action."

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===4 October 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/4SLuBcfcJiI bripre jikca 6]", the seventh episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {xutla} ("smooth/silky/soft") and it includes texts on that subject from niftg, junpen and ilmen. Submissions are requested by October 11 for the next episode (theme: {santa} -- "umbrella"), to be published October 18.

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===27 September 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] Martin Bays releases [https://gitorious.org/tersmu tersmu 0.2], a "semantic parser" for lojban, implemented in Haskell. It transforms lojban input into expressions of first order logic.

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===22 September 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] Robin Lee Powell [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/q5kpCvsxwHQ/xS3xfNtt7vwJ announces progress on the forthcoming update of "The Complete Lojban Language"], and asks for volunteers to help prepare it for print.

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===20 September 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/lr-4oHGhKC4 bripre jikca 5]", the sixth episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {bajra} ("to run") and it includes a text on that subject from niftg, a translation of XKCD animated and read by durka, and an eleatic footrace between mankant and the "dog". Submissions are requested by September 27 for the next episode (theme: {xutla} -- "smooth/silky/soft"), to be published October 4.

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===5 September 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/70pHmLf7v9A bripre jikca 4]", the fifth episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {kukte} ("delicious/delightful") and it includes texts on that subject from niftg, durka, tsani, mukti, and junpen, and a reading by selpa'i. Submissions are requested by September 13 for the next episode (theme: {bajra} -- "run"), to be published September 20.

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===23 August 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/FUmUlysRviI bripre jikca 3]", the fourth episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {fagri} ("fire") and it includes submissions on that subject from stefan, niftg, mukti, junpen and durka. Submissions are requested by August 30 for the next episode (theme: {fagri} -- "fire"), to be published September 6.

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===2 August 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/huRQ5-CObUs bripre jikca 2]", the third episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {litru} ("travel") and it includes submissions on that subject from keidji, tsani, niftg , and junpen, and a reading by selpa'i. Submissions are requested by August 16 for the next episode (theme: {fagri} -- "fire"), to be published August 23.

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===20 July 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csCEYlGp0vQ bripre jikca 1]", the second episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {panci} ("smell") and it includes writings and translations on that subject from numerous jbopre. Submissions are requested by July 26 for the next episode (theme: {litru} -- "travel"), to be published August 2.

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===5 July 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] guskant starts a new video podcast, "[https://vimeo.com/album/3148016 bripre jikca]". The theme of the first episode is {nicte} ("night"), and it includes a translation of the poem "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Night_Thought Quiet Night Thought]" by Li Pai. Submissions are requested by July 12 for the next episode, theme {panci} ("smell"), to be published July 19

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===5 April 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] danr [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/sGoK80yVNPI announces] the release of "[http://korp.alexburka.com/ korpora zei sisku]", a new corpus indexing and search system.

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===5 March 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] selpa'i releases his second original song, «[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLrmjRIMgAk lo mi jufra]»
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=== 2013 ===

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===24 December 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] selpa'i publishes [http://selpahi.de/oz_plain.html a translation of L. Frank Baum's "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz"].

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===10 December 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] Slate's" Lexicon Alley" podcast features [http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2013/12/lexicon_valley_lojban_is_an_invented_language_that_aims_to_be_supremely.html an interview with Arika Okrent about lojban].

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===4 October 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] guskant releases a recording of «[https://vimeo.com/113351301 la tcungatcangas pe mu sofybakni zi'e noi xorlo je xorla]», a translation of the Russian song «Tcungatcangas», including original artwork

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===7 June 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] guskant releases «[https://vimeo.com/113232481 ro roi za'u re'u ji'a]»

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===3 June 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] selpa'i releases an original song, «[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZomVOBE5-0 ca pa djedi]»

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===29 April 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] Masato Hagiwara releases [http://masatohagiwara.net/camxes.js camxes.js], a javascript port of the [http://users.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/grammar camxes PEG parser].

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===19 April 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] lojbab and Nora are [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/OWqJt0hcMQY invited] to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg0pK-8zXA0 speak to the "Artificial Languages" class at the College of William and Mary].

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===4-6 January 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] 25th anniversary LogFest is celebrated in Fairfax, VA.

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===2 January 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] [http://www.amazon.com/Transhumanist-Wager-Zoltan-Istvan-ebook/dp/B00AQQSY60 Zoltan Istvan's "Transhumanist Wager"], a science fiction novel which references lojban, is published.
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=== 2012 ===

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===29 December 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] timo presents [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdlGxgKt7nc a lightning talk about lojban] at the 29th Chaos Communication Congress, Hamburg, Germany.

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===10 December 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] [http://ihmisentila.tumblr.com/ "Ihmisen tila - The Human Condition", an original play by Jyrki Pylväs] is premiered in Helsinki, Finland. It includes [http://ihmisentila.tumblr.com/post/35208355474/toinen-otto-ja-vahan-eri-meininki a monologue in lojban] translated by selpa'i.

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===1 October 2012===
[[nuzba/en#1 October 2012|-]] Yoshikuni Jujo released [https://hackage.haskell.org/package/cakyrespa cakyrespa], run turtle like LOGO with Lojban.
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===24 September 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] gleki [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/TIjuYKAIjqc%5B1-25-false%5D announces] the launch of the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/mw.lojban.org Lojbanic Mediawiki].
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===17 September 2012===
[[nuzba/en#17 September 2012|-]] Yoshikuni Jujo released [https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lojysamban lojysamban], Prolog with Lojban.
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===26 August 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] guskant releases [https://vimeo.com/113181181 la crisa ditcu] on YouTube.

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===12 June 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] Robin Lee Powell, the full member of BPFK committee suggested the idea of a Lojban hackathon; that is, a time period strictly devoted to that sort of thing, ideally in person, but at least with real-time communication throughout. Currently Lojban comunity has a very long list of programming and programming-like (CLLv1.1) things that need to happen around here. Interested may write [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/SAlyiNkAvrw here].

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===7 June 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] jbonunsla, the sometimes-annual social gathering for members of the Lojban community, will be held this year in the San Francisco Bay Area, in which many Lojbanists reside. It will be held primarily on Saturday, 7 July 2012 and Sunday, 8 July 2012. The gathering will take place in a shared hotel room in San Mateo: Read [https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/KtHm8qDKniM details].

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===24 February 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] If you still like the feel of a book, you'll love this. An illustrated hard copy of the xorxes translation of 'Alice in Wonderland' is finally available. The book, 'lo selfri be la .alis. bei bu'u la selmacygu'e', can be found in the bookstore on the [http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/3007193 Blurb] website. Blurb is one of the leading print-on-demand service providers in the USA.
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=== 2011 ===

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===22 August 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] The Lojban community's annual convention, [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla jbonunsla], happened over 4th of July weekend in San Mateo, California, USA. Lojbanists from all around the country convened to a single point to participate in conversation in Lojban, gaming in Lojban, and open floor activities. Pictures have been taken of the event and can be seen on the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2011 2011 jbonunsla page].

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===23 June 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] The Lojban community's annual convention, [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla Logfest] (known in Lojban as [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla jbonunsla]), will be held on Saturday July 2 and Sunday July 3 at the [http://www.holidayinn.com/hotels/us/en/san-mateo/sfosm/hoteldetail/directions Holiday Inn] in San Mateo, California, USA. Experienced lojbanists who want to talk in Lojban, newbies who want to meet some of the key people in the community, and anybody who is just interested are all invited to attend what promises to be a mind-blowing experience. Attendees can travel easily from the following airports, in order of convenience: San Francisco International Airport, San Jose Airport, and Oakland International Airport. Locals with cars are available for pickup if necessary. For more information contact [mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Robin Powell].

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===3 June 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] Here is a well-presented [http://youtu.be/hO-F3OVWO4k update] on how language shapes "the most fundamental dimensions of human experiences: space, time, causality and relationships to others." [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojban+Introductory+Brochure Loglan], from which Lojban evolved, was originally designed to test this very idea. Although this has received diminished attention since that time, there appears to be a resurgence of interest in the scientific community.

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===18 April 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] [http://courses.rice.edu/admweb/swkscat.main?p_action=COURSE&p_crn=16915&p_term=201210 "Introductory Lojban"] is a student-run one-credit course that will be offered at [http://www.rice.edu/ Rice University] in Houston, USA, starting August 23, 2011. The course length is 14 weeks, with each lesson lasting 1 hour. Registration is required for full participation. However, anyone is welcome to "sit in", but should contact the course presenter, Joe Anderson, beforehand. Each Rice-registered student will be provided with a copy of the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Complete+Lojban+Language Lojban Reference Manual]. By the end of the course, students should know the basic structure of Lojban and be able to converse in it readily. For more information, contact the course presenter, [mailto:jandew%2Blojban@gmail.com?subject=Lojban%20Course%20at%20Rice%20University Joe Anderson].

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===12 April 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] An [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/%D9%84%D9%88%D8%AC%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86&no_bl=y Arabic version of the home page] has been added to this web site. This is the last of the world's major languages (the six used for creating "gismu" - Lojban's root words) in which the home page of this site has been translated. In addition, the translation has been done for another eleven languages.

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===5 March 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] March marks the first anniversary of the setting up of the Japanese-language Google Group [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-soudan%3Cbr%20/%3E "lojban-soudan"]. The group currently has about fifteen members. A lojban study group at Tokyo University is in the process of creating a [https://github.com/mhagiwara/cll-ja partial translation] of the Lojban Reference Manual (CLL). There is also a Lojban Club at Osaka University, [mailto:lamuk.lalojban.nelci@gmail.com one of whose members] is enhancing and updating the Japanese pages of this wiki.

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===12 February 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] A [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/lojban+(fi)&no_bl=y Finnish version of the home page] has been added to this web site.

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===5 February 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] A [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/lojban+(fr)&no_bl=y French-language home page] has been added to this website. Hopefully, this will draw more francophones across the world to Lojban. The home page is now available in 16 languages. More will be added in an effort to futher "internationalize" the lojban community.

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===20 January 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] In an effort to broaden the appeal of Lojban in India, home pages in the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8&no_bl=y Hindi] and [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/%E0%B2%B2%E0%B3%8A%E0%B2%9C%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AC%E0%B2%BE%E0%B2%A8%E0%B3%8D&no_bl=y Kannada] languages have been added to this website. Hindi is one of two official languages of India and is spoken by close to 200M people worldwide. Kannada is the official language of the state of Karnataka which is the location of Bangalore and the centre of India's burgeoning IT industry.

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===6 January 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] All four Lojban Wave lessons have been translated into Polish and are available on [https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=12wcGRHA08yMlJoGPjFw1z4kQq-HNi0_dpGIJ2cu3VFM GoogleDocs]. Hopefully, this will spread the Word in Poland where there is already a small but vibrant Lojban community!
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=== 2010 ===

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===18 December 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Are you a newbie and ready for your first read? Are you more experienced and would like to take on the challenge of introducing your children to a story in Lojban? Either way, you'll want to take a look at a new translation by [mailto:rdentato@gmail.com Remo Dentato] of [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=784 If I had a Pet Dinasaur] by Gil Robles. It's in full colour, nicely illustrated and a wonderful quick read!

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===25 November 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Today, [mailto:janek37@gmail.com Jan Szejko] (ianek) gave a short presentation on Lojban to students at the renowned Faculty of Mathematics, Informatics and Mechanics of the University of Warsaw in Poland. Students from this faculty have twice won first place at the world finals of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACM_International_Collegiate_Programming_Contest ACM International Collegiate Programming Contest].

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===18 November 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map mind map] of [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=759 Lojban word types] has been made available on the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbo_cheat_sheet cheat sheet page] of this website. This should be a particularly useful learning aid for beginners with strong visual memory. Check out the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Learning Learning] page for more information on how to start learning Lojban.

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===12 October 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] The 2010 Annual Meeting of the Logical Language Group Inc. has closed. Bob LeChevalier (USA), Arnt Johansen (Norway) and Robin Powell (USA) were re-elected to the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/LLG%20Members Board]. They are joined by two new members: Timo Paulssen (Germany) and Veijo Vilva (Finland).

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===6 October 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Yesterday Willem Larsen, one of the creators of the language fluency game "[http://whereareyourkeys.org/ Where are your Keys?], published a blog entry called "[http://whereareyourkeys.org/2010/10/05/the-playful-world-of-conlangs/ The Playful World of Conlangs]" to the "[http://whereareyourkeys.org/ Where are your Keys?] blog. Lojban is given special mention as one of the constructed languages which has a "Where are your Keys?" community.

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===5 October 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Alan Post has announced that [http://lodockikumazvati.org/ "lo do ckiku ma zvati]("Where are your Keys?") can now be played by e-mail [http://whereareyourkeys.org/ "Where are your Keys?"] is a language fluency game that is quickly gaining in popularity among Lojban neophytes. In it's initial version, it was played interactively - requiring students to be available at the same time. The e-mail version will make it easier for students in different time zones to participate. If you are interested in playing, please [http://groups.google.com/group/lodockikumazvati join] the group.

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===1 October 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Starting today, Polish lojbanists have their own mailing list [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-pl/ lojban-pl]. The Polish group is currently deciding which Lojban resources to translate into Polish first. [mailto:rdentato@gmail.com Marek Rogalski] is the contact. Poland is expected to be fertile ground for Lojban, having a great tradition in the field of constructed languages. Ludwik (Leyzer) Zamenhoff, the creator of Esperanto, was born in Bialystok in 1859.

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===9 September 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] A new children's book [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=719 le lunra jo'u le mapku] is available. This is a translation by [mailto:rdentato@gmail.com Remo Dentato] of [http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/pratham-mooncap.pdf The Moon and the Cap], written in India. This full colour PDF-format book looks just like the original, and will be a great way to introduce your children to the joys of Lojban.

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===12 August 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Leo Molas will give a presentation on Lojban at the upcoming [http://www.jornadasdelsur.org.ar/2010/ "Jornadas del Sur"] convention on Monday, August 16, in Bahia Blanca, Argentina. The subject of the convention, which lasts from Saturday, August 14 to Monday, August 16, is free software and free culture. Leo's presentation will cover: What is Lojban? History. Sapir-Whorf Hyphothesis. Why learn Lojban? Basic grammar. For more information, contact [mailto:leos.molas@gmail.com Leo].

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===9 August 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] The 2010 Annual Meeting of the Logical Language Group Inc, will commence on 21 August 2010 at approximately 1PM EDT, on the [http://lojban.org/lists/llg-members/ llg-members list]. The meeting will be conducted by email. Members should be checking their members list email at least daily. Non-members who may be interested in becoming formal members of LLG should also attend. Please read the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Bylaws+of+The+Logical+Language+Group%2C+Inc. bylaws] of the LLG in advance of the meeting, and perhaps a few of the minutes of prior meetings, so that you have some idea what membership is all about; the LLG typically accepts anyone who shows evidence of sufficient interest and awareness of what they are signing up for. To get access privileges to the llg-members list, non-members should contact LLG Secretary [mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Robin Powell], preferably on [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojban%20IRC IRC Chat].

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===25 July 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Starting July 27, 2010, Lojban enthusiasts in the San Francisco area of the USA will meet together at regular intervals each month to communicate in and about Lojban. The venue is the home of Stephen Weeks in Mountainview. The format and content of these meetings will be set during the first meetings. The seriously curious as well as experienced lojbanists are welcome. Contact [mailto:tene@allalone.org Stephen] if you are interested in particpating.

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===19 July 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] A new milestone has been reached with the implementation of over 600 Lojban's structure words ('cmavo') on [http://smart.fm/ Smart.fm]. Now, the whole of Lojban's basic vocabulary of root words, their conversions and structure words can be studied using one of the most effective learning tools currently available. Smart.fm is an adaptive flashcard system that includes audio, advanced tracking features based on a unique learning algorithm, and provides an applet for the iPhone. To take a look, go to the site, type 'Lojban' in the Search box, sign-up and start learing!

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===4 July 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Lojbanists [mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com Jorge Llambias] and [mailto:leos.molas@gmail.com Leo Molas] have proposed complete sets of Lojban words for all countries, languages and currencies, basing them on ISO codes. A systematic approach to the use of these codes has enabled a virtually automatic process for producing such words - one likely to work for future, as yet unspecified codes. The sets can be found at [http://bit.ly/bgB7PV http://bit.ly/bgB7PV], [http://bit.ly/9Ma7Qq http://bit.ly/9Ma7Qq], [http://bit.ly/clUVtb http://bit.ly/clUVtb] and [http://bit.ly/c43ua5 http://bit.ly/c43ua5]. Lojban words derived from foreign words or external sources are known as 'fu'ivla'. The proposal is a solution to a problem that all constructed languages share. How do you go about efficiently translating tens of thousands of words that have evolved in natural languages over thousands of years within the constraints imposed by your own language rule?'.

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===22 June 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] All of Lojban's approximately 1300 'gismu' (root-words), along with their 'rafsi' (short versions of the root-words) are now implemented in the [http://www.quizlet.com/ Quizlet] flashcard memorization website. Grouped alphabetically in 28 sets, they bring the total of Lojban word sets to 169. This huge selection of sets, grouped in so many different ways, significantly facilitates vocabulary learning. By comparison, Esperanto has 274 sets, Interlingua 22, Toki Pona 22, Ido 18, Klingon 10.

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===7 May 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla Logfest 2010] took place from April 30 - May 2 at [http://www.penguicon.org/ PenguiCon] 2010 in Troy, Michigan, and was a great success. Nine serious Lojbanists attended, and we attracted 3 or 4 newbies. Courtesy of Axis, here is a picture of most of the attendees, and a couple of newbies, attending a lesson.

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===3 May 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] The popular children's story book [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The%20Berenstain%20Bears%20Get%20in%20a%20Fight The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight] has been translated into Lojban by Andrew Piekarski and reviewed by Michael Turiansky. It can be listened to (download [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=710&page=Multimedia&download=y totus reads The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight]) as well as read. For devotees of exotic scripts, a Tengwar version is available (download [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=706&page=Tengwar&download=y 'lo la BERenstain. cribe co'a simda'a' written in Tengwar]). Michael Turiansky did the first translation of one of the Berenstain Bears series - [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The%20Berenstain%20Bears%20and%20the%20Prize%20Pumpkin The Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin].

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===4 Apr 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] The Lojban community's annual convention, [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla Logfest] (known in Lojban as [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla jbonunsla]), will be held during April 30 - May 2 this year at [http://www.penguicon.org/ Penguicon 2010] in Troy, Michigan in the USA. Experienced lojbanists who want to talk in Lojban, newbies who want to meet some of the key people in the community, and anybody who is just interested are all invited to attend what promises to be a mind-blowing experience. For more information contact [mailto:matt.mattarn@gmail.com Matt Arnold].

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===23 Mar 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] The first stage of implementing Lojban vocabulary on [http://smart.fm/ Smart.fm] has been completed. All 1300 of Lojban's root words ('gismu') can now be studied along with some 3,500 derived words ('gismu sumti'). These are organized into 'lessons', three of which are now ready. Additional lessons for learning over 600 structure words ('cmavo') are now in development. Smart.fm is an adaptive flashcard learning tool that includes audio, advanced tracking features based on a unique learning algorithm, and provides an applet for the iPhone. To take a look, go to the site, type 'Lojban' in the Search box, sign-up and start learing!

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===10 Mar 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Students at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland have started a Lojban Society. Hosting weekly meetings in a local pub, the group has 12 members after its first month. The group is to provide a social environment for people sharing an interest in Lojban and, in the future, act as a resource for Lojban-related projects at the University. Certainly repeatable at any university (or anywhere for that matter!). To find out more, contact [mailto:lojban@st-andrews.ac.uk lojban@st-andrews.ac.uk].

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===2 Mar 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] [http://whereareyourkeys.org/ "Where are your Keys?"] is a language fluency game that rapidly builds fluency in a language by making the techniques used to teach language transparent to the student so they can be used for self-directed learning. A "Where are your Keys?" website focused specifically toward learning Lojban is now online: [http://lodockikumazvati.org/ "lo do ckiku ma zvati"]. Come and play "lo do ckiku ma zvati!" Contact [mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org Alan Post] for more information.

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===19 Feb 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] An invitation has been made by an author on [http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/51236.page The Sporum], the official Spore forum, for a discussion about Lojban. If you have an opinion to share with others, go for it! Spore is a popular multi-genre single-player metaverse god game published by Electronic Arts. The forum has a Science and Spore section for participants who are science buffs.

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===3 Feb 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Work has started on making Smart.fm available to students of Lojban vocabulary. At its core, [http://smart.fm/Smart.fm Smart.fm] is an adaptive flashcard learning tool but with audio and advanced tracking features. A review can be found [http://www.freetech4teachers.com/2009/11/smartfm-independent-learning-platform.html here]. Beginners will find learning lojban vocabulary using Smart.fm fun and fast! If you already have a basic knowledge of lojban pronunciation and know how gismu work, and would like to contribute to this project, contact [mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com Jon "Top Hat" Jones].

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===5 Jan 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Today, BBC Radio 4 aired another episode of its Word of Mouth program. Lojban was discussed along with Esperanto, Láadan and Klingon. To listen to it, download [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=677&page=Multimedia&download=y BBC program on constructed languages.]
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=== 2009 ===

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===30 Nov 2009===
[[nuzba/en#2009|-]] [http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0966028309?seller=A2STSAFJP9WB2P The Complete Lojban Language] by John Woldemar Cowan is now available to buy from Amazon.com, and just in time for the holiday season. Treat yourself or someone special!

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===1 Aug 2009===
[[nuzba/en#2009|-]] [http://www.jbotcan.org/ jbotcan], the lojbanic channel, is back up. It features anonymous imageboards, an rss feed that collects news from all over and more goodies! Be sure to check it out!
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=== 2007 ===

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===14 May 2007===
[[nuzba/en#2007|-]] Today, Timo and Cizra released their animation short '''lai citno melbi pinpedi'''. You can [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710885982433758647 watch it on Google Video now]! If that title sounds familiar, you may have seen [http://perpetuum-immobile.de/komo.png this comic strip] before. In other news, the same Timo has been busy creating Jbobac, a Lojbanic audio board that anyone can post to. Just point your browser to [http://jbobac.lojban.org/ http://jbobac.lojban.org/], and join the action!
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=== 2006 ===

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===1 December 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] [http://xkcd.com/c191.html Welcome, xkcd readers]! Join some [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojbanic+Forums Lojbanic Forums]. The Lojban-speaking community loves xkcd, so getting xkcd'ed is as good as getting Slashdotted, Dugg or Farked. The author of xkcd is expressing a sentiment similar to Groucho Marx's statement, "I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members." [[File:icon_smile.gif|:-)]] We can definitely laugh at ourselves, and exposure to xkcd's target audience (math, linguistics, and sarcasm) will probably result in at least one more participant in our hobby.

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===27 October 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] ''Today'' I'm going to send in the Lojban group registration for Philcon. Email me your name and address and PayPal your registration now. I mean right now!

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===20 October 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] Only ''one week left'' to get in on the Lojban group's discount rate to register for [http://www.philcon.org/ Philcon] in Philadelphia, the science fiction convention where the annual Lojban Festival will be held on November 17 through 19. See [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2006 jbonunsla 2006] for details, including our stellar Lojbanic guest list and schedule of events. We now have two rooms to put you up in if your expenses are tight. You can still register after we send in the group registration, but it will cost more. It might be the most fun Lojbanic meeting ever. I'm serious, now is the time to get in on this! -Eppcott

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===03 October 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] [http://community.livejournal.com/lojban The Lojban community blog on Livejournal] is now embedded on [http://www.lojban.org/ the Lojban homepage], as part of the plan discussed in[http://community.livejournal.com/lojban/8245.html Friday's entry]. Prepare for a digest of all the Lojbanic goodness the web has to offer! You don't have to have a [http://www.livejournal.com/ Livejournal account] to subscribe to [http://community.livejournal.com/lojban/data/atom the web feed]. You do need an LJ account to post, but if you don't want to get an LJ account you can just send your contribution to [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Matt+Arnold Matt Arnold] who will post it to the blog for you.

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===12 September 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] Lojban was mentioned in [http://online.wsj.com/google_login.html?url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB115802923001560290.html%3Fmod%3Dgooglenews_wsj an article in the Wall Street Journal], "How Hartmut Pilch, Avid Computer Geek, Bested Microsoft", by Mary Jacoby. The free sample text made available online reads as follows:

<div>BRUSSELS — A proposal here to create a new European patents court has the support of Microsoft Corp., Siemens AG and many other giants of Western industry. But can it survive an attack from Hartmut Pilch?

A 43-year-old linguist from Munich, Mr. Pilch speaks Chinese, Japanese and an artificial language called Lojban intended to eliminate ambiguity and promoted by some programmers. He is the unlikely leader of a movement of self-styled computer geeks out to sink a patents plan they say would stifle software programmers.

"Patents on software mean any programmer can be sued at any time," says Mr. Pilch, ...</div>

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===28 August 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] The next Lojban Fest for 2006 will be held at [http://www.philcon.org/ Philcon] in Philadelphia, November 17 through 19, 2006. Check out the page[http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2006 jbonunsla 2006] for the schedule and attendees so far, as well as registration details. Newcomers are especially welcome to join us! Keep checking the schedule as we continue to work with the [http://www.kli.org/ Klingon Language Institute] about the possibility of collaborative content between Lojban and Klingon at Philcon!

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===20 July 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] Have you visited the land where Lojban is spoken? It's called [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/samxarmuj samxarmuj], meaning "computerized imaginary universe". It's a text-based world on the internet, where you can operate a character using commands in either English or Lojban: the online software is bilingual. Lojban is like the language of magic in [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/samxarmuj samxarmuj]--speaking it can bring objects into existence and give them form and function. You don't even need a plane ticket. Just [http://teddyb.org/cgi-bin/moo_ssh.html click here] and use the password "moo" to log in as a guest until you have your own account. Commands are typed in the bottom-most part of the window. Guest accounts are limited to using English, so type the "register" command to get your own account. It's totally free. More information, including other ways to access samxarmuj, is available at the wiki page about [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Lojban+MOO The Lojban MOO]. Intense labor on the part of many skilled programmers in our community has brought forth one of the most exciting venues in which to use Lojban that this language has ever had. Today, the software leaves Beta. It is with bated breath that we launch this massively multiplayer system and declare it ready for the public. But now we need to massively populate it. We are currently summoning new mages of every skill level. Come build your own part of the land. Although you do not have to speak Lojban to adventure in the land as it forms out of the nothingness around us, all spells must be cast in correct Lojban. Whatever power hears our descriptions of [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/samxarmuj samxarmuj], and turns them into reality, will respond to no other language. This land also welcome tourists with no skill in Lojban at all. Feel free to ask us any question about how to use the system. With enough interest, we may even be able to establish the Lojbanic equivalent of a Hogwarts academy for novice Lojban magicians! Who knows? Welcome to [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/samxarmuj samxarmuj]! Go native!

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===4 May 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2006 jbonunsla 2006] was held at [http://www.penguicon.org/ Penguicon] in Michigan, April 21-23 2006. Next up for [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2006 jbonunsla 2006] will be [http://www.philcon.org/2006/ Philcon 2006] in November!

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===24 Mar 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2006 jbonunsla 2006], a celebration of the Logical Language, will be held at the science fiction convention and open source software expo [http://www.penguicon.org/ Penguicon] in Michigan, April 21-23 2006. This does not exclude others hosting LogFests of their own in 2006.

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===4 Jan 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla Logfest] was held at PhilCon in Philadelphia from December 9th to December 11th. It was a quite successful event, despite a turnout that was a bit lower than expected. More details in the page about [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Logfest+2005 Logfest 2005].
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=== 2005 ===

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===13 Nov 2005===
[[nuzba/en#2005|-]] As the Secretary, I apologize for the lateness of this announcement, but I only got full confirmation 10 days ago myself. [http://www.philcon.org/2005/ Philcon - The Philadelphia Conference of Science Fiction and Fantasy] has agreed to have a room set aside for LogFest 2005! Philcon 2005 is being held at the Philadelphia Marriott Downtown on December 9th-11th, 2005. That's '''IN 26 DAYS'''! I know that's really, really short notice, but if we can get enough people to show up, they'll do it for us next year too, and hopefully that relationship will continue far into the future. People showing up for LogFest '''will''' have to buy PhilCon memberships. Please let me know if that, or any other aspect of these arrangements, provides an unacceptable financial burden to you. I, and others, are willing to help put up some money for active Lojbanists who want to come. We don't know how big the room is going to be yet, but I've told them we expect about 10 people.

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===5 Sep 2005===
[[nuzba/en#2005|-]] ''Complete site overhaul!'' Most of the lojban.org content has been moved from a set of static HTML pages to a [http://www.tikiwiki.org/ TikiWiki] content management system. The number of changes caused by this are too long to list. In addition, the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/LLG+2004+Annual+Meeting+Minutes LLG 2004 Annual Meeting Minutes] have been posted.
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=== 2004 ===

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===2 May 2004===
[[nuzba/en#2004|-]] A variety of minor bug fixes were done on the site, as well as some more major items. The front page was returned to CSS, XHTML and Bobby Level 3 compliance. The problem with clicking on one of the maps causing the maps to stop functioning was fixed. A couple of one-sheet brochures were added to [http://www.lojban.org/publications/brochures.html the brochures page]. The 25 November 2002 Board Meeting minutes were added. The 2003 annual meeting minutes were added.
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=== 2003 ===

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===10 September 2003===
[[nuzba/en#2003|-]] What is Lojban? is now available for purchase! The lojban.org site is now available, at least partially, in a variety of different languages. The vast majority of the site has been marked up in a way to make easy translation possible, but not all of the actual translation has been done. If you want to help, please contact the webmaster. Also, there is now a web-based IRC client available on the Forums page. The French and Spanish Lojban lists are now available. A Lojbanic translation program has been installed.

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===11 May 2003===
[[nuzba/en#2003|-]] Some bylaw changes from 1992 were incorporated. Split off of Old Projects into a seperate page, many changes (mostly minor) to the projects and committees pages. Markup changes all over the place. The full changes list can be found at [http://www.lojban.org/cgi-bin/aegis.cgi?file@chan_menu+project@lojban-web+change@144 the Aegis change page for change number 144].

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===7 April 2003===
[[nuzba/en#2003|-]] This is the first site update in a long time, and as such it's a big one. The site now has [http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ Request Tracker] set up, and that is being used to manage necessary changes. The Level 0 book was added to the main site, a Helping Lojban page, a Help page, and a Feedback page were all added, and jbovlaste and Request Tracker were both linked in.
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=== 2002 ===

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===30 December 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] An IRC logging system has been set up. See [http://www.lojban.org/resources/forums.html the Lojbanic Forums page]. Also, many pages have been edited to point to wiki.lojban.org as the official wiki site, which will continue to be the right place even if someone else takes it over.

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===28 November 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] The new [[Official Baseline Statement (2002/2003)|Baseline Statement]], from the LLG has been posted.

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===14 November 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] Addition to the [http://www.lojban.org/llg/projects.html Official Projects Page], minor fixes and updates.

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===24 October 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] A [http://www.lojban.org/resources/promotional.html Promotional Materials] page has been created. Also, I've made a [http://www.lojban.org//cgi-bin/twiki/view/Files/ Community Files Area], which is a TWiki (a web-based colloborative space).

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===21 October 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] The [http://www.lojban.org/resources/faq.html Lojban FAQ] has been updated and moved and revamped and such. .uisai Thanks go to [http://www.lojban.org/mailto:daltonG@digitalkingdom.org Dalton Graham] for doing most of the work.

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===23 September 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] There has been a major revamp of the Resources section. It has a lot more information in it now.

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===18 September 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] The old minutes of the LLG have been posted, thanks to [http://www.miranda.org/~jkominek/ Jay Kominek]. He also html formatted the bylaws. See [http://www.lojban.org/publications.html the LLG publications page]. The [http://www.lojban.org/llg/projects.html official LLG Projects] page has been constructed. Please submit anything you are working on! An [http://www.lojban.org/llg/committees.html official LLG Committees] page has also been added. An interactive story has been added; see [http://www.lojban.org/texts/original.html the original lojbanic texts page].

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===9 August 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] As may be obvious, I just made some drastic changes to the layout of the site. Please let me ([http://www.lojban.org/mailto:webmaster@lojban.org webmaster@lojban.org]) know what you think!

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===23 July 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] LogFest, the annual gathering of lojbanists, is this coming weekend. Also, the 2002 Annual Meeting of the Members of the LLG will be held on Sunday, July 28th (during LogFest). The 2002 Annual Meeting of the Members of the LLG will be held at 1030AM EDT on Sunday July 28, 2002 at lojbab's house, 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031 USA. There being insufficient notice as required, no bylaw changes can be considered. LogFest mostly consists of a bunch of people hanging out at lojbab's house, talking in and about lojban. The annual meeting always occurs during LogFest.

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===1 July 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] There was a major (several day) downtime of this site, due to bad RAM, which in turn caused file system corruption. The problem has been solved, and this machine now has a new, larger hard drive, as well as a completely new operating system (NetBSD 1.5.2). In addition, since the last update this machine has gotten a much faster processor and been moved into a co-location facility with a connection to the internet that is close to 300Mb/s.

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===2 May 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] Minor website updates have been made. In particular, the contents of the Learning Lojban sections have been slightly improved, and many relative links have been fixed.

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===18 April 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] Amazing news! The first draft of the Alice In Wonderland translation appears to be complete. The only things missing are a couple of the chapter titles and one stanza of a poem, as of this writing. Please go take a look in the Translations section!
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=== Older News ===

* [http://www.lojban.org/oldnews/26May2000.html 26 May 2000]
* [[Lojban timeline]]
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nuzba

2016-06-07T18:43:05Z

Selpahi: lu mi za'o citno li'u

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<div style="text-align:right;">'''[http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=nuzba&action=feed nuzyfle]''' (to zoi zoi ''[[nuzba/en|English version]]'' zoi toi)</div>
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2016 pi'e 6 pi'e 1===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2016 pi'e 6 pi'e 1|.i]] [[la selpa'i]] cu gubgau pa cnino tordylisri poi se cmene [http://selpahi.weebly.com/jbo/mi-zaho-citno lu mi za'o citno li'u]
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2016 pi'e 4 pi'e 28===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2016 pi'e 4 pi'e 28|.i]] [[la guskant]] cu gubgau [http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/143537131514/coi-lo-se-jbobau-joau-zantufa-xi-papipare-i-la la skaborfe'a] ku no'u lo selsa'a co pante be [http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_letter/open_letter.html lo ka vliraitru kei po la gleki ge'u] jo'u [[The egocentrism of a Lojban community|lo ka vliraitru cinmo kei po lo pa lojbo cecmu]]
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2016 pi'e 1 pi'e 30===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2016 pi'e 1 pi'e 30|.i]] [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu la ponjboci'ogri] cu gubgau [https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6fUPLWJ-f-SWDlxRi1EUTNlZTg/view?usp=sharing lo pdf datnyvei be fi'o jdima noda] be'o noi lo prina be ke'a cu se vecnu de'i li 2015 pi'e 11 .i lo pamoi be lo re pagbu cu ve skicu la lojban bau lo banjupunu .i lo romoi cu jufra fi la lojban fi'e la cogas jo'u la niftyg jo'u la sidas
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2016 pi'e 1===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2016 pi'e 1|.i]] pa re'u gubni fa la'o gy [http://eriknatanaelgustafsson.com/index.php/stycken/ovrigt/8-svenska/verk/48-progress Progress] gy no'u lo cedrymi'u zgike be fi'e la'o sy Erik Natanael Gustafsson sy be'o noi se pagbu lo lojbo jufra ku'o bu'u la'o sy Högskolan för scen och musik sy
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<includeonly><div style="text-align: right; font-weight: bold;" class="noprint">[[nuzba|.i lo noi drata nau fasnu...]]</div></includeonly><noinclude>
==ni'o ni'o ba'o nuzba==
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 12 pi'e 25===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 12 pi'e 25|.i]] [http://masatohagiwara.net/ la masatos xagiuaras] cu finti la [http://lojban.lilyx.net/zmifanva/ zmifanva] ku no'u lo banjubu'o joi bangenugu ke lairtcinyske ke minji fanva proga
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 11 pi'e 23===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 11 pi'e 23|.i]] [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu la ponjboci'ogri] cu [https://twitter.com/cogas_uasanbon/status/668620645278683137 vecnu lo girzu cukta bu'u lo zasni zarci]
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 10 pi'e 7===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 10 pi'e 7|.i]] [[la guskant]] cu gubgau la bripre ci mo'o no'u «[https://vimeo.com/141602354 la'au lo no valsi li'u]» noi zgike ji'u «[https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/LnbyPkupoMA/discussion la'au ni'o ni'o da'a mo'o notci la si li'u]» noi jufra fi'e la iesk
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 8 pi'e 18===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 8 pi'e 18|.i]] [https://twitter.com/Djemynai la djemynai] cu gubgau la «[http://djemynai.bandcamp.com/album/tensaia tensaĭa]» ku noi ra'apxu selsa'a be bau la .lojban. .i ji'a lo xe fanva be fi lo glico cu gubni
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 8 pi'e 7===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 8 pi'e 7|.i]] [[BPFK Section: cmevla|lo javni be lo nu lo cmevla cu se sruri lo depybu'i kei]] [https://groups.google.com/d/topic/bpfk-list/dnmLsaFk22A/discussion mo'u se zanru gi'e jai se stidi] vau [[BPFK|lo cmima be byfy]] .i ta'o byfy co'a gubgau [https://twitter.com/LojbanBPFK lo ri nuzyfle bu'u la .tu'iter.]
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 7 pi'e 31===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 7 pi'e 31|.i]] [https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu/KRbVjuX_GOA/discussion la ponjo lojbo citno girzu cu ba vecnu lo lojbo tertcidu cukta bu'u lo zasni zaisle noi vo'a joi lo spero cu jitro ke'a]
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 7 pi'e 28===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 7 pi'e 28|.i]] [[BPFK|byfy]] no'u la baupla fuzykamni be fi la lojbangirzu cu [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bpfk-list/SXxIpMLgL5s/M0yMTFEMSvoJ co'a cuntu] bu'u lo mriste po'u la'o zoi [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/bpfk-list bpfk-list] zoi .i casnu mu'a lo javni be lo nu cmibi'o kei .e lo nu cmicu'a be'o .e lo du'u xu kau lo jbobau ba ro pa mei lo bangu poi se pilno la kamni
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 7 pi'e 12===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 7 pi'e 12|.i]] la .cogas. cu gubgau la'e lu [https://soundcloud.com/cogas-iuk/sunday-10-38-pm claxu be do crisa] li'u noi selsa'a bau lo lojbo
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 6 pi'e 28===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 6 pi'e 28|.i]] [[LLG Board of Directors |lo fuzraikamni be la lojbangirzu]] cu cmicu'a ja'e lo nu la'o zoi Robert LeChevalier zoi cu za'u re'u kagja'a .i la'o zoi And Rosta zoi cu co'a vipsi kagja'a .i la'o zoi Riley Martinez-Lynch zoi cu co'a ci'arse'u je baxpre .i io ckire la'o zoi Veijo Vilva zoi noi ba'o vipsi kagja'a ku'o .e la'o zoi Robin Lee Powell zoi noi pu ze'u ci'arse'u je baxpre
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 6 pi'e 21===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 6 pi'e 21|.i]] la djemynai cu gubgau la'au za'o li'u no'u [https://djemynai.bandcamp.com/album/zao lo albuma be lo selsa'a be bau la lojban]
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 6 pi'e 15===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 6 pi'e 15|.i]] piro lo co'a morsi pe'a korpora be bu'u la corpus.lojban.org cu se nurgau la guskant joi la danr gi'e co'a te sisku fi la [[korpora zei sisku]]
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 5 pi'e 5===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 5 pi'e 5|.i]] [[User:Guskant|la guskant]] joi [[User:Tijlan|la tijlan]] co'a gubgau lo skina be lo selsa'a no'u la'au [https://vimeo.com/126974807 ro lo ma'a datka] li'u to la'o dy Alle meine Entchen dy noi se fanva [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]] toi
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 5 pi'e 4===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 5 pi'e 4|.i]] la'o zoi Corbin Simpson zoi cu gubgau la [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG-JKVBn6c4 cicricfoi bartu] ku to la'o zoi It's a Jungle out There by Randy Newman zoi toi noi remoi be lo lojbo selsa'a be vo'a
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 4 pi'e 23===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 4 pi'e 23|.i]] [[la gleki]] cu [https://www.facebook.com/groups/lojban/permalink/10152869763166705 te nuzba] lo farvi no'u [http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/i/muplis/index.html#sisku/ocean la muplis] noi tutci lo nu sutra lo nu zvasisku fi lo korpora be lo lojbo mupli tedi'o la'o zoi [http://tatoeba.org tatoeba.org] zoi
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 4 pi'e 20===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 4 pi'e 20|.i]] lo nu [[LLG|la lojbangirz]] cu [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|jdijmaji kei be de'i'e li 2014]] cu mulno .i ki'e lo ro cmizu'e
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 2 pi'e 26===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2015 pi'e 2 pi'e 26|.i]] la'o zoi Corbin Simpson zoi cu gubgau la [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9-YzMMp-1A galmauloi] ku to la'o zoi Higher Ground by Stevie Wonder zoi toi noi pamoi be lo lojbo selsa'a be vo'a
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2012 pi'e 10 pi'e 1===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2012 pi'e 10 pi'e 1|.i]] la iocikun cu co'a gubgau [https://hackage.haskell.org/package/cakyrespa la cakyrespa] ku no'u lo lojbo me la'o zoi LOGO zoi
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2012 pi'e 9 pi'e 17===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2012 pi'e 9 pi'e 17|.i]] la iocikun cu co'a gubgau [https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lojysamban la lojysamban] no'u lo lojbo me la'o zoi Prolog zoi
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===ni'o li'o <ref>.i lo drata nuzba cu sorcu bau lo bangenugu [[nuzba/en|pa moi]] ja [[Lojban timeline|re moi]]</ref>===
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2012 pi'e 2 pi'e 24===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2012 pi'e 2 pi'e 24|.i]] la'e zoi gy. [http://alis.lojban.org/ Alice in Wonderland] .gy. lu'u no'u lo cukta be fo lo verba cu se fanva la'o gy. xorxes .gy. la lojban. gi'e pelji se prina
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2011 pi'e 6 pi'e 23===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2011 pi'e 6 pi'e 23|.i]] lonu cfari fa le jbonunsla cu se tcika li ji'i 9 ma'i la'o zoi. PDT .zoi. li 2011 pi'e 7 pi'e 2 le xotli be la'o zoi. San Mateo USA .zoi. bei me'e la'o zoi. Holiday Inn .zoi.
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2011 pi'e 3 pi'e 9===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2011 pi'e 3 pi'e 9|.i]] li pi'e ci cu detke'u li pa lo nu cfagau lo ponjo bangu ke me la gugl girzu po'u la'o zoi. lojban-soudan .zoi.
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2011 pi'e 1 pi'e 26===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2011 pi'e 1 pi'e 26|.i]] tezu'e lonu la lojban. cu zenba loka cinri lo selgu'e be la <nowiki>indias.ke</nowiki>i kei lo xelfanva be tu'a lo pamoi mutpapri be ti be'o bei lo xinbau .e lo banku'anu cu seljmina fi le se mutpapri
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 12 pi'e 18===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 12 pi'e 18|.i]] xu do cnino tadni la lojban gi'e bredi lonu pare'u tcidu lo la .lojban. cukta .i xu do makcu tadni gi'e djica lonu jarco tu'a la .lojban. lo do verba .iseju .e'u ko catlu lo cnino xelfanva be la'e zoi gy. [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=784 If I had a Pet Dinosaur] .gy.
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 11 pi'e 18===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 11 pi'e 18|.i]] lo menli cartu cu se finti sera'a lo vlalei .i su'anai ra plixau lo nintadni pe sekai lo viska mo'isro tepi'o lo cilre sidju .i .e'u ko catlu le mutpapri pe me'e la'o gy. [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Learning Learning] .gy. tezu'e lonu facki fi lo co'a cilre tadji
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 10 pi'e 12===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 10 pi'e 12|.i]] le nanca nunjmaji be la lojbangirz. cu mulno .i la <nowiki>robrt.le</nowiki>cevalier. jo'u la <nowiki>arnt.rikard.iu</nowiki>xansen. jo'u la <nowiki>rabin.lis.pa</nowiki>u,el. za'ure'u se cuxna ja'e lonu cmibi'o lo fuzraikamni .i la <nowiki>timos.pa</nowiki>ulsen. jo'u la <nowiki>veion.vi</nowiki>lvan. cu binxo lo cnino cmima
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 9 pi'e 9===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 9 pi'e 9|.i]] la'e zoi gy. [[:File:719.sip|The Moon and the Cap]] .gy. lu'u no'u lo cukta be fo lo verba cu se fanva la'o gy. [mailto:rdentato@gmail.com Remo Dentato] .gy. la lojban.
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 8 pi'e 17===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 8 pi'e 17|.i]] lonu cfari fa le nanca nunjmaji be la lojbangirz cu se tcika li ji'i 13 ma'i la'o zoi. EDT .zoi. li 2010 pi'e 8 pi'e 21 le snustu po'u la'o zoi. llg-members .zoi.
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 7 pi'e 4===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 7 pi'e 4|.i]] loi jbopre po'u la'o zoi. Jorge Llambias .zoi. jo'u la'o zoi. Leon Molas .zoi. cu stidi tu'a lo mulno selcmi be lo fu'ivla be tu'a lo gugde .e tu'a lo bangu .e tu'a lo rupnu be'o bei ji'u lo mifra be fi la'o zoi. ISO .zoi. .i ko catlu fy noi judri diklo
*: la'o zoi. [http://bit.ly/bgB7PV http://bit.ly/bgB7PV] .zoi. .e
*: la'o zoi. [http://bit.ly/9Ma7Qq http://bit.ly/9Ma7Qq] .zoi. .e
*: la'o zoi. [http://bit.ly/clUVtb http://bit.ly/clUVtb] .zoi. .e
*: la'o zoi. [http://bit.ly/c43ua5 http://bit.ly/c43ua5] .zoi
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 6 pi'e 22===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 6 pi'e 22|.i]] loi gismu pacinonomei ku jo'u loi rafsi pe ri ca mo'u se punji fi lo se mutpapri poi se cmene la'o zoi. Quizlet .zoi. .i ra se cmigau fi rebi selcmi fi'o te jmina lo paxabimei .i lei so'imei be le'i selcmi noi se cmigau lo frica cu filgau lo nu morji tu'a lo jbovla. .i zu'unai la esperanton. fa'u la. interlinguas. fa'u la <nowiki>tokis.po</nowiki>nas. fa'u la. .idon. fa'u la klinon. ckaji loka ponse rezevo cmima fa'u rere cmima fa'u rere cmima fa'u pabi cmima fa'u pano cmima
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 5 pi'e 3===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 5 pi'e 3|.i]] la'e zoi gy. [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight] .gy. lu'u se fanva fi la lojban. .iji'a ra te snavei .i tezu'e lonu tirna le snavei kei ko cpacu la'e zoi gy. totus reads The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight .gy.
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 3 pi'e 10===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 3 pi'e 10|.i]] so'o tadni pe lo la <nowiki>seint.an</nowiki>drus. balcu'e ku noi zvati le kotygu'e cu zbasu lo la lojban. bende
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 3 pi'e 2===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 3 pi'e 2|.i]] la'o gy. [http://whereareyourkeys.org/ Where are your keys?] .gy. cu filta'a bangu se ci'erkei. .i la <nowiki>alyn.po</nowiki>st. cu favgau ri la'e lu [http://lodockikumazvati.org/ lo do ckiku ma zvati] li'u tezu'e lonu sidju fi lonu cilre la lojban.
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===ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 2 pi'e 19===
[[nuzba#ni'o nuznoi de'i li 2010 pi'e 2 pi'e 19|.i]] lo cmizu'e be tu'a lo snukarni ku po'u la'o gy. [http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/51236.page The Sporum] .gy. cu vi'ecpe fi lonu casnu la lojban.
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==ni'o ni'o pinka==
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===1 June 2016===
[[nuzba/en#1 June 2016|-]] [[la selpa'i]] published [http://selpahi.weebly.com/jbo/mi-zaho-citno lu mi za'o citno li'u], an original short story in Lojban.
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===28 April 2016===
[[nuzba/en#28 April 2016|-]] [[la guskant]] published [http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/143537131514/coi-lo-se-jbobau-joau-zantufa-xi-papipare-i-la la skaborfe'a], a protest song against [http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/open_letter/open_letter.html Gleki's dictatorship] and [[The egocentrism of a Lojban community|the egocentrism of a Lojban community]].
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===30 January 2016===
[[nuzba/en#30 January 2016|-]] [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu la ponjboci'ogri] published [https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6fUPLWJ-f-SWDlxRi1EUTNlZTg/view?usp=sharing a free pdf file of the group book], of which the printed book was sold in November 2015. The first part contains description of Lojban in Japanese, and the second part contains original texts in Lojban by la cogas, la niftyg and la sidas.
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===January 2016===
[[nuzba/en#00 January 2016|-]] Premiere of [http://eriknatanaelgustafsson.com/index.php/stycken/ovrigt/8-svenska/verk/48-progress Progress], a contemporary music containing Lojban sentences composed by Erik Natanael Gustafsson, was held at the Academy of Music and Drama of University of Gothenburg.
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== Archives ==
=== 2015 ===
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===25 December 2015===
[[nuzba/en#25 December 2015|-]] [http://masatohagiwara.net/ Masato Hagiwara] released [http://lojban.lilyx.net/zmifanva/ zmifanva], a Lojban-English machine translation engine based on phrase-based statistical machine translation.
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===23 November 2015===
[[nuzba/en#23 November 2015|-]] [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu la ponjboci'ogri] [https://twitter.com/cogas_uasanbon/status/668620645278683137 sold group books at a temporary market.]
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===7 October 2015===
[[nuzba/en#7 October 2015|-]] [[la guskant]] released la bripre episode 3 «[https://vimeo.com/141602354 lo no valsi]», a musical based on the text «[https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/LnbyPkupoMA/discussion ni'o ni'o da'a mo'o notci la si]» created by la iesk.
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===18 August 2015===
[[nuzba/en#18 August 2015|-]] [https://twitter.com/Djemynai la djemynai] released «[http://djemynai.bandcamp.com/album/tensaia tensaĭa]», a new rap single with lyrics in lojban, and an accompanying English translation of the lyrics.
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===7 August 2015===
[[nuzba/en#7 August 2015|-]] "[[BPFK Section: cmevla|Dotside]]", the practice of bookending [[cmevla]] with "dots" (denpa bu), [https://groups.google.com/d/topic/bpfk-list/dnmLsaFk22A/discussion has been approved] by [[BPFK]] as a candidate standard. Additionally, you can now follow [https://twitter.com/LojbanBPFK BPFK on Twitter].
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===31 July 2015===
[[nuzba/en#31 July 2015|-]] [https://groups.google.com/d/topic/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu/KRbVjuX_GOA/discussion la ponjo lojbo citno girzu will sell a lojban literature book at a temporary shop managed by them and Esperantists.]
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===28 July 2015===
[[nuzba/en#28 July 2015|-]] [[BPFK]] (baupla fuzykamni), Lojban's language planning committee, was [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bpfk-list/SXxIpMLgL5s/M0yMTFEMSvoJ called to order] on the [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/bpfk-list bpfk-list]. Initial topics of discussion include membership, voting, and the use of lojban in committee proceedings.
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===12 July 2015===
[[nuzba/en#12 July 2015|-]] la .cogas. published [https://soundcloud.com/cogas-iuk/sunday-10-38-pm «claxu be do crisa»] ("Summer Without You"), a new original song in Lojban.
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===28 June 2015===
[[nuzba/en#28 June 2015|-]] The [[LLG Board of Directors]] have re-elected Robert Lechavalier as President. And Rosta has been elected Vice President. Riley Martinez-Lynch has been elected as Secretary/Treasurer. Many thanks to outgoing Vice President Veijo Vilva, and long time Secretary/Treasurer Robin Lee Powell.
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===21 June 2015===
[[nuzba/en#21 June 2015|-]] la djemynai published [https://djemynai.bandcamp.com/album/zao an album of lojban songs] "ZA'O".
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===15 June 2015===
[[nuzba/en#15 June 2015|-]] The whole dying corpus at corpus.lojban.org was rescued by la guskant and la danr, and is available by la [[korpora zei sisku]].
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===5 May 2015===
[[nuzba/en#5 May 2015|-]] [[La Guskant]] and [[User:Tijlan|La Tijlan]] published a new song and video in Lojban, [https://vimeo.com/126974807 ro lo ma'a datka] ("All of our ducks").
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===4 May 2015===
[[nuzba/en#4 May 2015|-]] Corbin Simpson published his second lojban song [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG-JKVBn6c4 cicricfoi bartu] ("It's a Jungle out There" by Randy Newman).
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===23 April 2015===
[[nuzba/en#23 April 2015|-]] [[La Gleki]] [https://www.facebook.com/groups/lojban/permalink/10152869763166705 announced] the development of [http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/i/muplis/index.html#sisku/ocean la muplis], a tool for quickly searching the corpus of Lojban sample sentences at [http://tatoeba.org tatoeba.org].
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===20 April 2015===
[[nuzba/en#20 April 2015|-]] The [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting]] of [[LLG]] was adjourned. Thank you to everyone who participated!
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===9 April 2015===
[[nuzba/en#9 April 2015|-]] A [http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=158336 game of Diplomacy] is launched, with all negotiations to be carried out in Lojban. xorxes won a [http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=80849 previous game], which was played from February-April 2012.
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===30 March 2015===
[[nuzba/en#30 March 2015|-]] Thanks to the efforts of [[La Gleki]] and [[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin]], the [[LMW|Lojbanic MediaWiki]] was rededicated as the new main lojban.org web site. The older site is still available at [http://tiki.lojban.org tiki.lojban.org] for the time being.
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===22 March 2015===
[[nuzba/en#22 March 2015|-]] Following the [[BPFK Reauthorization|reauthorization of BPFK]], [[La Selpa'i]] was elected as the chair of [[baupla fuzykamni|BPFK]] as part of the ongoing [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting]]. A slate of [[BPFK Members|members]] were also elected: Pierre Abbat, [[La Gleki]], durka42, [[La Ilmen]], [[La Xorxes]], [[La Xalbo]], And Rosta and [[La Guskant]].
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===26 February 2015===
[[nuzba/en#26 February 2015|-]] Corbin Simpson published his first lojban song [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9-YzMMp-1A galmauloi] ("Higher Ground" by Stevie Wonder).
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===24 February 2015===
[[nuzba/en#24 February 2015|-]] [[LLG Members]] at the [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting]] approved a [[BPFK Reauthorization|reauthorization]] of [[baupla fuzykamni|BPFK]]. BPFK is reorganized as a standing committee with the charge of improving and maintaining formal descriptions of Lojban, elaborating undocumented and under-documented language features, resolving inconsistencies and errors in existing documentation, and responding to issues that arise in usage.
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===15 February 2015===
[[nuzba/en#15 February 2015|-]] A [https://github.com/lojban/cll/milestones/Prince%20volunteers%20formatting%20review review of formatting issues in the Prince PDF build of CLL] started on February 1. A [http://alexburka.com/lojban/prince.php continuous build], which picks up changes as they are committed to the shared repository and then generates an updated PDF, was created by durka42 to aid this effort. After two weeks, 7 out of 19 chapters have been reviewed.
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===17 January 2015===
[[nuzba/en#17 January 2015|-]] An IRC session of the [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting]] has been announced for Sunday, January 18, 2015, to take place in the #lojban channel at irc.freenode.net at 4pm UTC (8am PST, 11am EST, 5pm Paris/Berlin, 7pm Moscow, 1am January 19 Tokyo). The topic of the session will be CLL and the future of BPFK. See the [[Lojban IRC]] for details of how to connect to IRC.
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===13 January 2015===
[[nuzba/en#13 January 2015|-]] [[John Cowan]] was awarded the [[LLG Honorary Officers|honorary title]] of "Archgrammarian" or "balgenpre" in recognition of the magnitude of his contributions to Lojban, and his many years as a member, director and officer of LLG.
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===10 January 2015===
[[nuzba/en#10 January 2015|-]] The 2014 election for the Logical Language Group Board of Directors, held among members at the [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting]] (ongoing), was finalized: Arkadii Balandin, Craig B. Daniel, Ali Sajid Imani, Riley Martinez-Lynch, and And Rosta were newly elected to the Board. Robert LeChevalier and Timo Paulssen were re-elected.
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=== 2014 ===

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===15 December 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] At the [[LLG Meeting Announcement 2014|2014 Annual Meeting of LLG]] (ongoing), an unprecedented nine lojbanists from six different countries were admitted as voting members of the Logical Language Group. Welcome az, durka, gleki, guskant, ilmen, mukti, selpa'i, tsani, and xalbo!

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===15 November 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/c6fXtgkPdWQ bripre jikca 9]", the tenth and final episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {skari} ("color") and it includes texts by keidji, niftg, mukti, xorxes, and junpen on that topic, as well as readings by mizu'e and durka42.

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===3 November 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] The 2014 annual member's meeting of [[The Logical Language Group]] convened on November 3. The meeting will be conducted on the [http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members llg-members mailing list] with at least one IRC session to be announced. Please respond to the [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/thV52S9d6hc announcement] on the lojban-list if you do not currently have access to llg-members, but you wish to observe or participate in the meeting. The agenda includes [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/7IS0b62FKhE/A_8FQo6QYAYJ a clarification of bylaw amendments that were approved at the 2003 meeting] and a discussion of [[Official Baseline Statement (2002/2003)|baseline policies]].

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===31 October 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/N2ibcTzGZ7w bripre jikca 8]", the ninth episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is '''fulta''' (''floating'') and it includes chef mankant's recipe for a floating island, and texts on that subject from la durka and la niftg. Submissions are requested by November 8 for the next episode (theme: '''skari''' - ''color''), to be published November 15. bripre and mankant are taking a well deserved vacation, so this will be the last episode for the time being.

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===18 October 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/C7YvHiyXeao bripre jikca 7]", the eigth episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {santa} ("umbrella") and it includes texts on that subject from graywyvern, lojytan, niftg, durka42 and mukti. Submissions are requested by October 25 for the next episode (theme: {fulta} -- "floating"), to be published November 1.

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===6 October 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/N-Y9eBBTrxU lo jbobau cu mo]", a new "jbo-rap" by selpa'i, featuring danr, Ilmen, and durka42 is released. It is described as a "commentary on the current situation in 'Lojbanistan'" and "a call to action."

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===4 October 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/4SLuBcfcJiI bripre jikca 6]", the seventh episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {xutla} ("smooth/silky/soft") and it includes texts on that subject from niftg, junpen and ilmen. Submissions are requested by October 11 for the next episode (theme: {santa} -- "umbrella"), to be published October 18.

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===27 September 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] Martin Bays releases [https://gitorious.org/tersmu tersmu 0.2], a "semantic parser" for lojban, implemented in Haskell. It transforms lojban input into expressions of first order logic.

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===22 September 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] Robin Lee Powell [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/q5kpCvsxwHQ/xS3xfNtt7vwJ announces progress on the forthcoming update of "The Complete Lojban Language"], and asks for volunteers to help prepare it for print.

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===20 September 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/lr-4oHGhKC4 bripre jikca 5]", the sixth episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {bajra} ("to run") and it includes a text on that subject from niftg, a translation of XKCD animated and read by durka, and an eleatic footrace between mankant and the "dog". Submissions are requested by September 27 for the next episode (theme: {xutla} -- "smooth/silky/soft"), to be published October 4.

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===5 September 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/70pHmLf7v9A bripre jikca 4]", the fifth episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {kukte} ("delicious/delightful") and it includes texts on that subject from niftg, durka, tsani, mukti, and junpen, and a reading by selpa'i. Submissions are requested by September 13 for the next episode (theme: {bajra} -- "run"), to be published September 20.

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===23 August 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/FUmUlysRviI bripre jikca 3]", the fourth episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {fagri} ("fire") and it includes submissions on that subject from stefan, niftg, mukti, junpen and durka. Submissions are requested by August 30 for the next episode (theme: {fagri} -- "fire"), to be published September 6.

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===2 August 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[http://youtu.be/huRQ5-CObUs bripre jikca 2]", the third episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {litru} ("travel") and it includes submissions on that subject from keidji, tsani, niftg , and junpen, and a reading by selpa'i. Submissions are requested by August 16 for the next episode (theme: {fagri} -- "fire"), to be published August 23.

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===20 July 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csCEYlGp0vQ bripre jikca 1]", the second episode of "[https://plus.google.com/116506829901617807564 bripre jikca]", is now available. The theme is {panci} ("smell") and it includes writings and translations on that subject from numerous jbopre. Submissions are requested by July 26 for the next episode (theme: {litru} -- "travel"), to be published August 2.

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===5 July 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] guskant starts a new video podcast, "[https://vimeo.com/album/3148016 bripre jikca]". The theme of the first episode is {nicte} ("night"), and it includes a translation of the poem "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Night_Thought Quiet Night Thought]" by Li Pai. Submissions are requested by July 12 for the next episode, theme {panci} ("smell"), to be published July 19

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===5 April 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] danr [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/sGoK80yVNPI announces] the release of "[http://korp.alexburka.com/ korpora zei sisku]", a new corpus indexing and search system.

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===5 March 2014===
[[nuzba/en#2014|-]] selpa'i releases his second original song, «[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLrmjRIMgAk lo mi jufra]»
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=== 2013 ===

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===24 December 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] selpa'i publishes [http://selpahi.de/oz_plain.html a translation of L. Frank Baum's "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz"].

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===10 December 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] Slate's" Lexicon Alley" podcast features [http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2013/12/lexicon_valley_lojban_is_an_invented_language_that_aims_to_be_supremely.html an interview with Arika Okrent about lojban].

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===4 October 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] guskant releases a recording of «[https://vimeo.com/113351301 la tcungatcangas pe mu sofybakni zi'e noi xorlo je xorla]», a translation of the Russian song «Tcungatcangas», including original artwork

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===7 June 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] guskant releases «[https://vimeo.com/113232481 ro roi za'u re'u ji'a]»

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===3 June 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] selpa'i releases an original song, «[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZomVOBE5-0 ca pa djedi]»

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===29 April 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] Masato Hagiwara releases [http://masatohagiwara.net/camxes.js camxes.js], a javascript port of the [http://users.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/grammar camxes PEG parser].

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===19 April 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] lojbab and Nora are [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/OWqJt0hcMQY invited] to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg0pK-8zXA0 speak to the "Artificial Languages" class at the College of William and Mary].

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===4-6 January 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] 25th anniversary LogFest is celebrated in Fairfax, VA.

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===2 January 2013===
[[nuzba/en#2013|-]] [http://www.amazon.com/Transhumanist-Wager-Zoltan-Istvan-ebook/dp/B00AQQSY60 Zoltan Istvan's "Transhumanist Wager"], a science fiction novel which references lojban, is published.
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=== 2012 ===

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===29 December 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] timo presents [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdlGxgKt7nc a lightning talk about lojban] at the 29th Chaos Communication Congress, Hamburg, Germany.

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===10 December 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] [http://ihmisentila.tumblr.com/ "Ihmisen tila - The Human Condition", an original play by Jyrki Pylväs] is premiered in Helsinki, Finland. It includes [http://ihmisentila.tumblr.com/post/35208355474/toinen-otto-ja-vahan-eri-meininki a monologue in lojban] translated by selpa'i.

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===1 October 2012===
[[nuzba/en#1 October 2012|-]] Yoshikuni Jujo released [https://hackage.haskell.org/package/cakyrespa cakyrespa], run turtle like LOGO with Lojban.
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===24 September 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] gleki [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/TIjuYKAIjqc%5B1-25-false%5D announces] the launch of the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/mw.lojban.org Lojbanic Mediawiki].
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===17 September 2012===
[[nuzba/en#17 September 2012|-]] Yoshikuni Jujo released [https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lojysamban lojysamban], Prolog with Lojban.
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===26 August 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] guskant releases [https://vimeo.com/113181181 la crisa ditcu] on YouTube.

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===12 June 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] Robin Lee Powell, the full member of BPFK committee suggested the idea of a Lojban hackathon; that is, a time period strictly devoted to that sort of thing, ideally in person, but at least with real-time communication throughout. Currently Lojban comunity has a very long list of programming and programming-like (CLLv1.1) things that need to happen around here. Interested may write [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/SAlyiNkAvrw here].

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===7 June 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] jbonunsla, the sometimes-annual social gathering for members of the Lojban community, will be held this year in the San Francisco Bay Area, in which many Lojbanists reside. It will be held primarily on Saturday, 7 July 2012 and Sunday, 8 July 2012. The gathering will take place in a shared hotel room in San Mateo: Read [https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/KtHm8qDKniM details].

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===24 February 2012===
[[nuzba/en#2012|-]] If you still like the feel of a book, you'll love this. An illustrated hard copy of the xorxes translation of 'Alice in Wonderland' is finally available. The book, 'lo selfri be la .alis. bei bu'u la selmacygu'e', can be found in the bookstore on the [http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/3007193 Blurb] website. Blurb is one of the leading print-on-demand service providers in the USA.
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=== 2011 ===

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===22 August 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] The Lojban community's annual convention, [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla jbonunsla], happened over 4th of July weekend in San Mateo, California, USA. Lojbanists from all around the country convened to a single point to participate in conversation in Lojban, gaming in Lojban, and open floor activities. Pictures have been taken of the event and can be seen on the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2011 2011 jbonunsla page].

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===23 June 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] The Lojban community's annual convention, [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla Logfest] (known in Lojban as [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla jbonunsla]), will be held on Saturday July 2 and Sunday July 3 at the [http://www.holidayinn.com/hotels/us/en/san-mateo/sfosm/hoteldetail/directions Holiday Inn] in San Mateo, California, USA. Experienced lojbanists who want to talk in Lojban, newbies who want to meet some of the key people in the community, and anybody who is just interested are all invited to attend what promises to be a mind-blowing experience. Attendees can travel easily from the following airports, in order of convenience: San Francisco International Airport, San Jose Airport, and Oakland International Airport. Locals with cars are available for pickup if necessary. For more information contact [mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Robin Powell].

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===3 June 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] Here is a well-presented [http://youtu.be/hO-F3OVWO4k update] on how language shapes "the most fundamental dimensions of human experiences: space, time, causality and relationships to others." [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojban+Introductory+Brochure Loglan], from which Lojban evolved, was originally designed to test this very idea. Although this has received diminished attention since that time, there appears to be a resurgence of interest in the scientific community.

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===18 April 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] [http://courses.rice.edu/admweb/swkscat.main?p_action=COURSE&p_crn=16915&p_term=201210 "Introductory Lojban"] is a student-run one-credit course that will be offered at [http://www.rice.edu/ Rice University] in Houston, USA, starting August 23, 2011. The course length is 14 weeks, with each lesson lasting 1 hour. Registration is required for full participation. However, anyone is welcome to "sit in", but should contact the course presenter, Joe Anderson, beforehand. Each Rice-registered student will be provided with a copy of the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Complete+Lojban+Language Lojban Reference Manual]. By the end of the course, students should know the basic structure of Lojban and be able to converse in it readily. For more information, contact the course presenter, [mailto:jandew%2Blojban@gmail.com?subject=Lojban%20Course%20at%20Rice%20University Joe Anderson].

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===12 April 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] An [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/%D9%84%D9%88%D8%AC%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86&no_bl=y Arabic version of the home page] has been added to this web site. This is the last of the world's major languages (the six used for creating "gismu" - Lojban's root words) in which the home page of this site has been translated. In addition, the translation has been done for another eleven languages.

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===5 March 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] March marks the first anniversary of the setting up of the Japanese-language Google Group [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-soudan%3Cbr%20/%3E "lojban-soudan"]. The group currently has about fifteen members. A lojban study group at Tokyo University is in the process of creating a [https://github.com/mhagiwara/cll-ja partial translation] of the Lojban Reference Manual (CLL). There is also a Lojban Club at Osaka University, [mailto:lamuk.lalojban.nelci@gmail.com one of whose members] is enhancing and updating the Japanese pages of this wiki.

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===12 February 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] A [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/lojban+(fi)&no_bl=y Finnish version of the home page] has been added to this web site.

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===5 February 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] A [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/lojban+(fr)&no_bl=y French-language home page] has been added to this website. Hopefully, this will draw more francophones across the world to Lojban. The home page is now available in 16 languages. More will be added in an effort to futher "internationalize" the lojban community.

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===20 January 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] In an effort to broaden the appeal of Lojban in India, home pages in the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AC%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8&no_bl=y Hindi] and [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/%E0%B2%B2%E0%B3%8A%E0%B2%9C%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%AC%E0%B2%BE%E0%B2%A8%E0%B3%8D&no_bl=y Kannada] languages have been added to this website. Hindi is one of two official languages of India and is spoken by close to 200M people worldwide. Kannada is the official language of the state of Karnataka which is the location of Bangalore and the centre of India's burgeoning IT industry.

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===6 January 2011===
[[nuzba/en#2011|-]] All four Lojban Wave lessons have been translated into Polish and are available on [https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=12wcGRHA08yMlJoGPjFw1z4kQq-HNi0_dpGIJ2cu3VFM GoogleDocs]. Hopefully, this will spread the Word in Poland where there is already a small but vibrant Lojban community!
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=== 2010 ===

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===18 December 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Are you a newbie and ready for your first read? Are you more experienced and would like to take on the challenge of introducing your children to a story in Lojban? Either way, you'll want to take a look at a new translation by [mailto:rdentato@gmail.com Remo Dentato] of [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=784 If I had a Pet Dinasaur] by Gil Robles. It's in full colour, nicely illustrated and a wonderful quick read!

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===25 November 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Today, [mailto:janek37@gmail.com Jan Szejko] (ianek) gave a short presentation on Lojban to students at the renowned Faculty of Mathematics, Informatics and Mechanics of the University of Warsaw in Poland. Students from this faculty have twice won first place at the world finals of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACM_International_Collegiate_Programming_Contest ACM International Collegiate Programming Contest].

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===18 November 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] A [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_map mind map] of [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=759 Lojban word types] has been made available on the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbo_cheat_sheet cheat sheet page] of this website. This should be a particularly useful learning aid for beginners with strong visual memory. Check out the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Learning Learning] page for more information on how to start learning Lojban.

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===12 October 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] The 2010 Annual Meeting of the Logical Language Group Inc. has closed. Bob LeChevalier (USA), Arnt Johansen (Norway) and Robin Powell (USA) were re-elected to the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/LLG%20Members Board]. They are joined by two new members: Timo Paulssen (Germany) and Veijo Vilva (Finland).

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===6 October 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Yesterday Willem Larsen, one of the creators of the language fluency game "[http://whereareyourkeys.org/ Where are your Keys?], published a blog entry called "[http://whereareyourkeys.org/2010/10/05/the-playful-world-of-conlangs/ The Playful World of Conlangs]" to the "[http://whereareyourkeys.org/ Where are your Keys?] blog. Lojban is given special mention as one of the constructed languages which has a "Where are your Keys?" community.

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===5 October 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Alan Post has announced that [http://lodockikumazvati.org/ "lo do ckiku ma zvati]("Where are your Keys?") can now be played by e-mail [http://whereareyourkeys.org/ "Where are your Keys?"] is a language fluency game that is quickly gaining in popularity among Lojban neophytes. In it's initial version, it was played interactively - requiring students to be available at the same time. The e-mail version will make it easier for students in different time zones to participate. If you are interested in playing, please [http://groups.google.com/group/lodockikumazvati join] the group.

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===1 October 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Starting today, Polish lojbanists have their own mailing list [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-pl/ lojban-pl]. The Polish group is currently deciding which Lojban resources to translate into Polish first. [mailto:rdentato@gmail.com Marek Rogalski] is the contact. Poland is expected to be fertile ground for Lojban, having a great tradition in the field of constructed languages. Ludwik (Leyzer) Zamenhoff, the creator of Esperanto, was born in Bialystok in 1859.

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===9 September 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] A new children's book [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=719 le lunra jo'u le mapku] is available. This is a translation by [mailto:rdentato@gmail.com Remo Dentato] of [http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/pratham-mooncap.pdf The Moon and the Cap], written in India. This full colour PDF-format book looks just like the original, and will be a great way to introduce your children to the joys of Lojban.

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===12 August 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Leo Molas will give a presentation on Lojban at the upcoming [http://www.jornadasdelsur.org.ar/2010/ "Jornadas del Sur"] convention on Monday, August 16, in Bahia Blanca, Argentina. The subject of the convention, which lasts from Saturday, August 14 to Monday, August 16, is free software and free culture. Leo's presentation will cover: What is Lojban? History. Sapir-Whorf Hyphothesis. Why learn Lojban? Basic grammar. For more information, contact [mailto:leos.molas@gmail.com Leo].

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===9 August 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] The 2010 Annual Meeting of the Logical Language Group Inc, will commence on 21 August 2010 at approximately 1PM EDT, on the [http://lojban.org/lists/llg-members/ llg-members list]. The meeting will be conducted by email. Members should be checking their members list email at least daily. Non-members who may be interested in becoming formal members of LLG should also attend. Please read the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Bylaws+of+The+Logical+Language+Group%2C+Inc. bylaws] of the LLG in advance of the meeting, and perhaps a few of the minutes of prior meetings, so that you have some idea what membership is all about; the LLG typically accepts anyone who shows evidence of sufficient interest and awareness of what they are signing up for. To get access privileges to the llg-members list, non-members should contact LLG Secretary [mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Robin Powell], preferably on [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojban%20IRC IRC Chat].

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===25 July 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Starting July 27, 2010, Lojban enthusiasts in the San Francisco area of the USA will meet together at regular intervals each month to communicate in and about Lojban. The venue is the home of Stephen Weeks in Mountainview. The format and content of these meetings will be set during the first meetings. The seriously curious as well as experienced lojbanists are welcome. Contact [mailto:tene@allalone.org Stephen] if you are interested in particpating.

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===19 July 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] A new milestone has been reached with the implementation of over 600 Lojban's structure words ('cmavo') on [http://smart.fm/ Smart.fm]. Now, the whole of Lojban's basic vocabulary of root words, their conversions and structure words can be studied using one of the most effective learning tools currently available. Smart.fm is an adaptive flashcard system that includes audio, advanced tracking features based on a unique learning algorithm, and provides an applet for the iPhone. To take a look, go to the site, type 'Lojban' in the Search box, sign-up and start learing!

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===4 July 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Lojbanists [mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com Jorge Llambias] and [mailto:leos.molas@gmail.com Leo Molas] have proposed complete sets of Lojban words for all countries, languages and currencies, basing them on ISO codes. A systematic approach to the use of these codes has enabled a virtually automatic process for producing such words - one likely to work for future, as yet unspecified codes. The sets can be found at [http://bit.ly/bgB7PV http://bit.ly/bgB7PV], [http://bit.ly/9Ma7Qq http://bit.ly/9Ma7Qq], [http://bit.ly/clUVtb http://bit.ly/clUVtb] and [http://bit.ly/c43ua5 http://bit.ly/c43ua5]. Lojban words derived from foreign words or external sources are known as 'fu'ivla'. The proposal is a solution to a problem that all constructed languages share. How do you go about efficiently translating tens of thousands of words that have evolved in natural languages over thousands of years within the constraints imposed by your own language rule?'.

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===22 June 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] All of Lojban's approximately 1300 'gismu' (root-words), along with their 'rafsi' (short versions of the root-words) are now implemented in the [http://www.quizlet.com/ Quizlet] flashcard memorization website. Grouped alphabetically in 28 sets, they bring the total of Lojban word sets to 169. This huge selection of sets, grouped in so many different ways, significantly facilitates vocabulary learning. By comparison, Esperanto has 274 sets, Interlingua 22, Toki Pona 22, Ido 18, Klingon 10.

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===7 May 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla Logfest 2010] took place from April 30 - May 2 at [http://www.penguicon.org/ PenguiCon] 2010 in Troy, Michigan, and was a great success. Nine serious Lojbanists attended, and we attracted 3 or 4 newbies. Courtesy of Axis, here is a picture of most of the attendees, and a couple of newbies, attending a lesson.

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===3 May 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] The popular children's story book [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The%20Berenstain%20Bears%20Get%20in%20a%20Fight The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight] has been translated into Lojban by Andrew Piekarski and reviewed by Michael Turiansky. It can be listened to (download [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=710&page=Multimedia&download=y totus reads The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight]) as well as read. For devotees of exotic scripts, a Tengwar version is available (download [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=706&page=Tengwar&download=y 'lo la BERenstain. cribe co'a simda'a' written in Tengwar]). Michael Turiansky did the first translation of one of the Berenstain Bears series - [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The%20Berenstain%20Bears%20and%20the%20Prize%20Pumpkin The Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin].

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===4 Apr 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] The Lojban community's annual convention, [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla Logfest] (known in Lojban as [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla jbonunsla]), will be held during April 30 - May 2 this year at [http://www.penguicon.org/ Penguicon 2010] in Troy, Michigan in the USA. Experienced lojbanists who want to talk in Lojban, newbies who want to meet some of the key people in the community, and anybody who is just interested are all invited to attend what promises to be a mind-blowing experience. For more information contact [mailto:matt.mattarn@gmail.com Matt Arnold].

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===23 Mar 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] The first stage of implementing Lojban vocabulary on [http://smart.fm/ Smart.fm] has been completed. All 1300 of Lojban's root words ('gismu') can now be studied along with some 3,500 derived words ('gismu sumti'). These are organized into 'lessons', three of which are now ready. Additional lessons for learning over 600 structure words ('cmavo') are now in development. Smart.fm is an adaptive flashcard learning tool that includes audio, advanced tracking features based on a unique learning algorithm, and provides an applet for the iPhone. To take a look, go to the site, type 'Lojban' in the Search box, sign-up and start learing!

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===10 Mar 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Students at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland have started a Lojban Society. Hosting weekly meetings in a local pub, the group has 12 members after its first month. The group is to provide a social environment for people sharing an interest in Lojban and, in the future, act as a resource for Lojban-related projects at the University. Certainly repeatable at any university (or anywhere for that matter!). To find out more, contact [mailto:lojban@st-andrews.ac.uk lojban@st-andrews.ac.uk].

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===2 Mar 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] [http://whereareyourkeys.org/ "Where are your Keys?"] is a language fluency game that rapidly builds fluency in a language by making the techniques used to teach language transparent to the student so they can be used for self-directed learning. A "Where are your Keys?" website focused specifically toward learning Lojban is now online: [http://lodockikumazvati.org/ "lo do ckiku ma zvati"]. Come and play "lo do ckiku ma zvati!" Contact [mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org Alan Post] for more information.

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===19 Feb 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] An invitation has been made by an author on [http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/51236.page The Sporum], the official Spore forum, for a discussion about Lojban. If you have an opinion to share with others, go for it! Spore is a popular multi-genre single-player metaverse god game published by Electronic Arts. The forum has a Science and Spore section for participants who are science buffs.

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===3 Feb 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Work has started on making Smart.fm available to students of Lojban vocabulary. At its core, [http://smart.fm/Smart.fm Smart.fm] is an adaptive flashcard learning tool but with audio and advanced tracking features. A review can be found [http://www.freetech4teachers.com/2009/11/smartfm-independent-learning-platform.html here]. Beginners will find learning lojban vocabulary using Smart.fm fun and fast! If you already have a basic knowledge of lojban pronunciation and know how gismu work, and would like to contribute to this project, contact [mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com Jon "Top Hat" Jones].

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===5 Jan 2010===
[[nuzba/en#2010|-]] Today, BBC Radio 4 aired another episode of its Word of Mouth program. Lojban was discussed along with Esperanto, Láadan and Klingon. To listen to it, download [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=677&page=Multimedia&download=y BBC program on constructed languages.]
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=== 2009 ===

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===30 Nov 2009===
[[nuzba/en#2009|-]] [http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0966028309?seller=A2STSAFJP9WB2P The Complete Lojban Language] by John Woldemar Cowan is now available to buy from Amazon.com, and just in time for the holiday season. Treat yourself or someone special!

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===1 Aug 2009===
[[nuzba/en#2009|-]] [http://www.jbotcan.org/ jbotcan], the lojbanic channel, is back up. It features anonymous imageboards, an rss feed that collects news from all over and more goodies! Be sure to check it out!
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=== 2007 ===

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===14 May 2007===
[[nuzba/en#2007|-]] Today, Timo and Cizra released their animation short '''lai citno melbi pinpedi'''. You can [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710885982433758647 watch it on Google Video now]! If that title sounds familiar, you may have seen [http://perpetuum-immobile.de/komo.png this comic strip] before. In other news, the same Timo has been busy creating Jbobac, a Lojbanic audio board that anyone can post to. Just point your browser to [http://jbobac.lojban.org/ http://jbobac.lojban.org/], and join the action!
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=== 2006 ===

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===1 December 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] [http://xkcd.com/c191.html Welcome, xkcd readers]! Join some [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojbanic+Forums Lojbanic Forums]. The Lojban-speaking community loves xkcd, so getting xkcd'ed is as good as getting Slashdotted, Dugg or Farked. The author of xkcd is expressing a sentiment similar to Groucho Marx's statement, "I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members." [[File:icon_smile.gif|:-)]] We can definitely laugh at ourselves, and exposure to xkcd's target audience (math, linguistics, and sarcasm) will probably result in at least one more participant in our hobby.

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===27 October 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] ''Today'' I'm going to send in the Lojban group registration for Philcon. Email me your name and address and PayPal your registration now. I mean right now!

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===20 October 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] Only ''one week left'' to get in on the Lojban group's discount rate to register for [http://www.philcon.org/ Philcon] in Philadelphia, the science fiction convention where the annual Lojban Festival will be held on November 17 through 19. See [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2006 jbonunsla 2006] for details, including our stellar Lojbanic guest list and schedule of events. We now have two rooms to put you up in if your expenses are tight. You can still register after we send in the group registration, but it will cost more. It might be the most fun Lojbanic meeting ever. I'm serious, now is the time to get in on this! -Eppcott

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===03 October 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] [http://community.livejournal.com/lojban The Lojban community blog on Livejournal] is now embedded on [http://www.lojban.org/ the Lojban homepage], as part of the plan discussed in[http://community.livejournal.com/lojban/8245.html Friday's entry]. Prepare for a digest of all the Lojbanic goodness the web has to offer! You don't have to have a [http://www.livejournal.com/ Livejournal account] to subscribe to [http://community.livejournal.com/lojban/data/atom the web feed]. You do need an LJ account to post, but if you don't want to get an LJ account you can just send your contribution to [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Matt+Arnold Matt Arnold] who will post it to the blog for you.

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===12 September 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] Lojban was mentioned in [http://online.wsj.com/google_login.html?url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB115802923001560290.html%3Fmod%3Dgooglenews_wsj an article in the Wall Street Journal], "How Hartmut Pilch, Avid Computer Geek, Bested Microsoft", by Mary Jacoby. The free sample text made available online reads as follows:

<div>BRUSSELS — A proposal here to create a new European patents court has the support of Microsoft Corp., Siemens AG and many other giants of Western industry. But can it survive an attack from Hartmut Pilch?

A 43-year-old linguist from Munich, Mr. Pilch speaks Chinese, Japanese and an artificial language called Lojban intended to eliminate ambiguity and promoted by some programmers. He is the unlikely leader of a movement of self-styled computer geeks out to sink a patents plan they say would stifle software programmers.

"Patents on software mean any programmer can be sued at any time," says Mr. Pilch, ...</div>

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===28 August 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] The next Lojban Fest for 2006 will be held at [http://www.philcon.org/ Philcon] in Philadelphia, November 17 through 19, 2006. Check out the page[http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2006 jbonunsla 2006] for the schedule and attendees so far, as well as registration details. Newcomers are especially welcome to join us! Keep checking the schedule as we continue to work with the [http://www.kli.org/ Klingon Language Institute] about the possibility of collaborative content between Lojban and Klingon at Philcon!

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===20 July 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] Have you visited the land where Lojban is spoken? It's called [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/samxarmuj samxarmuj], meaning "computerized imaginary universe". It's a text-based world on the internet, where you can operate a character using commands in either English or Lojban: the online software is bilingual. Lojban is like the language of magic in [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/samxarmuj samxarmuj]--speaking it can bring objects into existence and give them form and function. You don't even need a plane ticket. Just [http://teddyb.org/cgi-bin/moo_ssh.html click here] and use the password "moo" to log in as a guest until you have your own account. Commands are typed in the bottom-most part of the window. Guest accounts are limited to using English, so type the "register" command to get your own account. It's totally free. More information, including other ways to access samxarmuj, is available at the wiki page about [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Lojban+MOO The Lojban MOO]. Intense labor on the part of many skilled programmers in our community has brought forth one of the most exciting venues in which to use Lojban that this language has ever had. Today, the software leaves Beta. It is with bated breath that we launch this massively multiplayer system and declare it ready for the public. But now we need to massively populate it. We are currently summoning new mages of every skill level. Come build your own part of the land. Although you do not have to speak Lojban to adventure in the land as it forms out of the nothingness around us, all spells must be cast in correct Lojban. Whatever power hears our descriptions of [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/samxarmuj samxarmuj], and turns them into reality, will respond to no other language. This land also welcome tourists with no skill in Lojban at all. Feel free to ask us any question about how to use the system. With enough interest, we may even be able to establish the Lojbanic equivalent of a Hogwarts academy for novice Lojban magicians! Who knows? Welcome to [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/samxarmuj samxarmuj]! Go native!

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===4 May 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2006 jbonunsla 2006] was held at [http://www.penguicon.org/ Penguicon] in Michigan, April 21-23 2006. Next up for [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2006 jbonunsla 2006] will be [http://www.philcon.org/2006/ Philcon 2006] in November!

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===24 Mar 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla+2006 jbonunsla 2006], a celebration of the Logical Language, will be held at the science fiction convention and open source software expo [http://www.penguicon.org/ Penguicon] in Michigan, April 21-23 2006. This does not exclude others hosting LogFests of their own in 2006.

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===4 Jan 2006===
[[nuzba/en#2006|-]] [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbonunsla Logfest] was held at PhilCon in Philadelphia from December 9th to December 11th. It was a quite successful event, despite a turnout that was a bit lower than expected. More details in the page about [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Logfest+2005 Logfest 2005].
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=== 2005 ===

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===13 Nov 2005===
[[nuzba/en#2005|-]] As the Secretary, I apologize for the lateness of this announcement, but I only got full confirmation 10 days ago myself. [http://www.philcon.org/2005/ Philcon - The Philadelphia Conference of Science Fiction and Fantasy] has agreed to have a room set aside for LogFest 2005! Philcon 2005 is being held at the Philadelphia Marriott Downtown on December 9th-11th, 2005. That's '''IN 26 DAYS'''! I know that's really, really short notice, but if we can get enough people to show up, they'll do it for us next year too, and hopefully that relationship will continue far into the future. People showing up for LogFest '''will''' have to buy PhilCon memberships. Please let me know if that, or any other aspect of these arrangements, provides an unacceptable financial burden to you. I, and others, are willing to help put up some money for active Lojbanists who want to come. We don't know how big the room is going to be yet, but I've told them we expect about 10 people.

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===5 Sep 2005===
[[nuzba/en#2005|-]] ''Complete site overhaul!'' Most of the lojban.org content has been moved from a set of static HTML pages to a [http://www.tikiwiki.org/ TikiWiki] content management system. The number of changes caused by this are too long to list. In addition, the [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/LLG+2004+Annual+Meeting+Minutes LLG 2004 Annual Meeting Minutes] have been posted.
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=== 2004 ===

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===2 May 2004===
[[nuzba/en#2004|-]] A variety of minor bug fixes were done on the site, as well as some more major items. The front page was returned to CSS, XHTML and Bobby Level 3 compliance. The problem with clicking on one of the maps causing the maps to stop functioning was fixed. A couple of one-sheet brochures were added to [http://www.lojban.org/publications/brochures.html the brochures page]. The 25 November 2002 Board Meeting minutes were added. The 2003 annual meeting minutes were added.
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=== 2003 ===

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===10 September 2003===
[[nuzba/en#2003|-]] What is Lojban? is now available for purchase! The lojban.org site is now available, at least partially, in a variety of different languages. The vast majority of the site has been marked up in a way to make easy translation possible, but not all of the actual translation has been done. If you want to help, please contact the webmaster. Also, there is now a web-based IRC client available on the Forums page. The French and Spanish Lojban lists are now available. A Lojbanic translation program has been installed.

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===11 May 2003===
[[nuzba/en#2003|-]] Some bylaw changes from 1992 were incorporated. Split off of Old Projects into a seperate page, many changes (mostly minor) to the projects and committees pages. Markup changes all over the place. The full changes list can be found at [http://www.lojban.org/cgi-bin/aegis.cgi?file@chan_menu+project@lojban-web+change@144 the Aegis change page for change number 144].

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===7 April 2003===
[[nuzba/en#2003|-]] This is the first site update in a long time, and as such it's a big one. The site now has [http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ Request Tracker] set up, and that is being used to manage necessary changes. The Level 0 book was added to the main site, a Helping Lojban page, a Help page, and a Feedback page were all added, and jbovlaste and Request Tracker were both linked in.
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=== 2002 ===

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===30 December 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] An IRC logging system has been set up. See [http://www.lojban.org/resources/forums.html the Lojbanic Forums page]. Also, many pages have been edited to point to wiki.lojban.org as the official wiki site, which will continue to be the right place even if someone else takes it over.

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===28 November 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] The new [[Official Baseline Statement (2002/2003)|Baseline Statement]], from the LLG has been posted.

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===14 November 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] Addition to the [http://www.lojban.org/llg/projects.html Official Projects Page], minor fixes and updates.

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===24 October 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] A [http://www.lojban.org/resources/promotional.html Promotional Materials] page has been created. Also, I've made a [http://www.lojban.org//cgi-bin/twiki/view/Files/ Community Files Area], which is a TWiki (a web-based colloborative space).

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===21 October 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] The [http://www.lojban.org/resources/faq.html Lojban FAQ] has been updated and moved and revamped and such. .uisai Thanks go to [http://www.lojban.org/mailto:daltonG@digitalkingdom.org Dalton Graham] for doing most of the work.

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===23 September 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] There has been a major revamp of the Resources section. It has a lot more information in it now.

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===18 September 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] The old minutes of the LLG have been posted, thanks to [http://www.miranda.org/~jkominek/ Jay Kominek]. He also html formatted the bylaws. See [http://www.lojban.org/publications.html the LLG publications page]. The [http://www.lojban.org/llg/projects.html official LLG Projects] page has been constructed. Please submit anything you are working on! An [http://www.lojban.org/llg/committees.html official LLG Committees] page has also been added. An interactive story has been added; see [http://www.lojban.org/texts/original.html the original lojbanic texts page].

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===9 August 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] As may be obvious, I just made some drastic changes to the layout of the site. Please let me ([http://www.lojban.org/mailto:webmaster@lojban.org webmaster@lojban.org]) know what you think!

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===23 July 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] LogFest, the annual gathering of lojbanists, is this coming weekend. Also, the 2002 Annual Meeting of the Members of the LLG will be held on Sunday, July 28th (during LogFest). The 2002 Annual Meeting of the Members of the LLG will be held at 1030AM EDT on Sunday July 28, 2002 at lojbab's house, 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031 USA. There being insufficient notice as required, no bylaw changes can be considered. LogFest mostly consists of a bunch of people hanging out at lojbab's house, talking in and about lojban. The annual meeting always occurs during LogFest.

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===1 July 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] There was a major (several day) downtime of this site, due to bad RAM, which in turn caused file system corruption. The problem has been solved, and this machine now has a new, larger hard drive, as well as a completely new operating system (NetBSD 1.5.2). In addition, since the last update this machine has gotten a much faster processor and been moved into a co-location facility with a connection to the internet that is close to 300Mb/s.

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===2 May 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] Minor website updates have been made. In particular, the contents of the Learning Lojban sections have been slightly improved, and many relative links have been fixed.

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===18 April 2002===
[[nuzba/en#2002|-]] Amazing news! The first draft of the Alice In Wonderland translation appears to be complete. The only things missing are a couple of the chapter titles and one stanza of a poem, as of this writing. Please go take a look in the Translations section!
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=== Older News ===

* [http://www.lojban.org/oldnews/26May2000.html 26 May 2000]
* [[Lojban timeline]]
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|''Die Verwandlung'' (Spanish translation)
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|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta1.html cukta1.html], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta2.html cukta2.html], and [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta3.html cukta3.html]. English translations will be found in [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book1.html book1.html], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book2.html book2.html], and [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book3.html book3.html]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[lo vensa brife]]
|[[la gleki]]
|
|jungo
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[lo so'i pemci be fi la tsani]]
|
|[[lo so'i pemci be fi la tsani]]
|[[User:Tsani|la tsani]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[pemcrxaiku|pemcrxaiku]]
|
|[[pemcrxaiku|pemcrxaiku]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[ci'irprosa|ci'irprosa]]
|
|[[ci'irprosa|ci'irprosa]]. Preface to Ziryroi
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[sipna pemci, Robin.ca's translation|English translation of ''sipna pemci'']]
|[[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]
|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
|[[User:Broca|Arnt Richard Johansen]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
|
|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
|[[User:Broca|Arnt Richard Johansen]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo pemlimerika
|[[doi dirba|doi dirba]]
|
|[[doi dirba|doi dirba]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|
|
|[[Lojban rock lyrics|Lojban rock lyrics]]
|[[rab.spir|Rob Speer]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|
|
|[[Lojban Anthem|Lojban Anthem]]
|music by [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]]; words by [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]] and [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]]
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[xirli'u selsanga|xirli'u selsanga]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|
|Federico García Lorca
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[Litany Against Fear|Litany Against Fear]]
|[[Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|Litany Against Fear from the book Dune by Frank Herbert
|Bene Gesserit
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[Carmina Lojbana|Carmina Lojbana]]
|
|Carmina Burana
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113232481 ro roi za'u re'u ji'a]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''いつも何度でも (itsumo-nando-demo)''
|覚和歌子 (KAKU Wakako, pemci), 木村弓 (KIMURA Yumi, zgike)
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113351301 la tcungatcangas pe mu sofybakni zi'e noi xorlo je xorla]'''
|[[la gleki]] joi [[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|la'o ry чунга-чанга ry noi selsa'a
|Yuri Entin (pemci), Vladimir Shainsky (zgike finti), [[User:xorxes|la xorxes]] noi finti lo jufra pe zo sofybakni
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''crisa ditcu''' to '''[https://vimeo.com/113181181 lo skina]''' .a '''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/26278344232/uisai-iosai-iesai-la-tijlan-bao-cnino-ganzu lo sance jo'u selci'a]''' toi
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Summertime''
|DuBose Heyward (pemci), George Gershwin (zgike finti)
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/22846666936/re-moi-vreji-fi-la-byna-uan-solon-i-gau-mi-lo la .byna,uan.solon.]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Bengawan Solo''
|Gesang Martohartono
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/12729919114/jbedetnunsla-uidai-i-jbedetnunsla-uidai-i jbedetnunsla .uidai]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Happy birthday to you''
|lo glico
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/15624731879/a-ea-pao-klama-i-miu-b-ti-seraa-ma-cinla e'a pa'o klama]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''とおりゃんせ (tooryanse)''
|lo ponjo
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|[[mi jbize'a do doi cevni]]
|la .pier.abát.
|la'o gy.'' Nearer, my God, to Thee ''.gy.
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/corpus/show/smaji%20nicte%20pensi smaji nicte pensi]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''静夜思 (jìng yè sī)'' (pemci lo mumvlavonli'i la libair)
|李白 (lǐ bái)
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[da pu laldo ninmu co tunlo le sfani|da pu laldo ninmu co tunlo le sfani]]
|
|"There once was an old lady who swallowed a fly"
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[The Song That Never Ends|The Song That Never Ends]]
|
|The Song That Never Ends
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[The Itsy Bitsy Spider|The Itsy Bitsy Spider]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[Old MacDonald|Old MacDonald]]
|
|Old MacDonald
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[le cmalu bloti|le cmalu bloti]]
|
|"The Small Boat", a French(?) traditional song
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[da kevna le baktu|da kevna le baktu]]
|
|"There's a hole in the bucket"
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[doi .daiz.|doi .daiz.]]
|[[Xavier|la .xavier.]]
|"Daisy"
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[lo mlatu cu bitmu cpare|lo mlatu cu bitmu cpare]]
|
|Polish children song [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wlaz%C5%82_kotek_na_p%C5%82otek "Wlazł kotek na płotek"]
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[ctoxrula|ctoxrula]]
|
|Polish children song "Stokrotka"
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[senva lo melbi|senva lo melbi]]
|
|Lullaby(?)
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|'''[https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/3SkKfYiF1Fk/discussion ro lo ma'a datka]''' to [[User:guskant|la guskant]] fa'u [[User:Tijlan|la tijlan]] sanga fa'u zgike bo ganzu ja'e tu'a zoi dy [[:File:datka.mp3|datka.mp3]] dy toi
|[[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|Alle meine Entchen
|lo dotco
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|Original Lojban-language page about the MBTI
|
|[[le menli cipra pe la .mairz. joi la .brigz.|le menli cipra pe la .mairz. joi la .brigz.]]
|[[User:PlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|A brief description of Tolkien's [[tenguar|Tengwar]] in Lojban
|
|[[tenguar|Tengwar]]
|Elrond
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/cipra.html cipra lo skari lo vanju]'''
|
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/cipra.html cipra lo skari lo vanju]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi zukte lo xukmi cipra
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/jetnujarco.html jarco lo ka na me la individual]'''
|
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/jetnujarco.html jarco lo ka na me la individual]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi logji je'urja'o
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|'''[https://vimeo.com/album/3148016 bripre jikca]'''
|
|'''[https://vimeo.com/album/3148016 bripre jikca]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi te skina ku'o joi lo so'i se jbobau
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113056241 bripre jikca selsa'a]'''
|
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113056241 bripre jikca selsa'a]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi finti lo jufra ku'o joi [[la bripre]] noi sanga ku'o joi [[User:Tijlan|la tijlan]] noi zgike ganzu
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo na cfika
|[[The Gateless Gate|The Gateless Gate]]
|
|
|sanxiyn
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo na cfika
|[[Single Transferrable Vote|Single Transferrable Vote]] . i lo lojbo info
|
|[[Single Transferrable Vote|Single Transferrable Vote]] system
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Broken Phone|Broken Phone]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[la cibyska|la cibyska]]
|
|"Tri-Versity"
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Broken Phone|Broken Phone]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Lojban Scrabble|Lojban Scrabble]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[la .nomik.|la .nomik.]]
|
|Nomic
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[MMORPG|MMORPG]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Role-playing Games|Role-playing Games]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[kucyvla|kucyvla]]
|
|Crossword puzzles
|
|-
|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[ctununta'a la feinman fi lo nu kanji|ctununta'a la feinman fi lo nu kanji]]
|
|the Feynman Lectures on Computation
|[[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[mathematical proof|mathematical proof]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[Axiom of stratified comprehension--Mekso example|axiom of stratified comprehension]]
|
|New Foundations' [[Axiom of stratified comprehension--Mekso example|axiom of stratified comprehension]] in mekso and bridi math.
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/algebra A translation of the first page of a higher algebra text]'''
|Nick Nicholas
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[Mathematical induction|Mathematical induction]]
|[[User:selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|
|
|-
|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[lojbo nu menkanji|lojbo nu menkanji]]
|[[User:selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|
|
|[[Tautologies and Tongue-Twisters In Lojban|Tautologies and Tongue-Twisters in Lojban]]
|la .kevin., [[User:tsali|tsali]], gejyspa
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|
|
|Mini-sagas on [[Alan Libert|Alan Libert]] [[xaurselfunca gugde|The Lucky Country]], and [[Codex Woldemar|Codex Woldemar]]
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|
|
|The renowned argument on palatals in [[tavla fi le tutra pe le terdi|tavla fi le tutra pe le terdi]]
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113458410 bripre ni'o pa mo'o li re te'a ny.]'''
|
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113458410 bripre ni'o pa mo'o li re te'a ny.]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pixra draci
|'''[https://vimeo.com/140852144 bripre ni'o re mo'o lei cmalu narge .e le cmana mlatu]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''どんぐりと山猫 (donguri-to-yamaneko)''
|''宮澤賢治 (MIYAZAWA Kenji)''
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|'''[http://ponjbogri.github.io/cemfanva/niwa/niwa2013.html lu za'ure'u gau draci lo ka gubni sei fe lu'e lo ve ciksi be lo larcu reci bangu cu fanva se'u to lo poi la .ni,uan.iocinor. cu cmizu'e fi ke'a ku'o selpla be ca lo detri be li renonovo ga'o bi'o ga'o renopare toi li'u]'''
|la ponjbogri
|''『公共性を再演する | 作品の解説を23種類の言語に翻訳する丹羽良徳の2004年から2012年の介入プロジェクト』''
|丹羽良徳 (NIWA Yoshinori)
|-
|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cfika
|[[Hamlet|Hamlet]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo bangyske
|[[Conlang Test Sentences|Conlang Test Sentences]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo progyske
|[[Perl the first postmodern programming language|Perl the first postmodern programming language]]
|
|
|Larry Wall
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[The Legend Of Zelda|The Legend of Zelda]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo skina
|[[elephants dream|Elephants Dream]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Comedy Tonight|Comedy Tonight]]
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Some fables by Aesop]]
|Nick Nicholas
|xelso
|Aesop
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/algebra A translation of the first page of a higher algebra text]'''
|Nick Nicholas
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[A few lines from Beowulf]] an attempt to preserve the semantic and syntactic devices of the original
|John Cowan
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Cardplayer]]
|Nick Nicholas
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Christ nor Devil]]
|Nick Nicholas
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Nicene Creed]], a major Christian statement of faith, from the Greek
|Nick Nicholas
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/dialogues_of_the_dead Short story by Lucian of Samosata]''', 2nd-century Greek author
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/freddy_germanos Part of a book by Freddy Germanos]''', modern Greek journalist
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/g s_song Song "The Merryman & His Maid"]''', aka "I Have A Song To Sing, O!" from the Gilbert & Sullivan operetta Yeomen of the Guard
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]].
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Genesis]]
|Mark Shoulson.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/legend A Roman legend]''', composed in Polish by Orzekso, translated into Esperanto by Kabe
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/lithuanian_song translation of an Esperanto translation of a Lithuanian/Polish folk song]'''. The Esperanto version appeared in the Esperanto Fundamental Chrestomathy in 1905
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/lordpray A prosaic version of the Lord's Prayer from the New Testament]'''. From the English, corrected by reference to the Greek
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]].
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/luther_king Martin Luther King's famous "I Have A Dream" speech]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/maxwell_tales Several very short Chinese folk tales]'''
|Preston Maxwell, rev. Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/mikhalski A poem by Soviet Esperantist Evgeny Mikhalski]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/mildew "The Mildew of the World", written in Polish by Boleslaw Prus]''', translated into Esperanto by Kabe
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/moser A self-referential story by David Moser]''', printed in Douglas Hofstadter's column and book Metamagical Themas. Every sentence refers to itself, including the title, which is "This is the title of the story, which is repeated several times in the story itself." Perfect for Lojban
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/red_death The first few paragraphs of Edgar Allan Poe's "The Masque of the Red Death"]'''
|Jorge Llambias.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/ringo-starr An interview by Freddy Germanos of Ringo Starr]''', presumably conducted in English, but published in Greek
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/roughton A text by Ralph Roughton]''', origin unknown
|Colin Fine.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/tsiforos from "Greek Mythology" by modern Greek humorist and slang devotee Nikos Tsiforos]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/whyte A single paragraph by scientist/writer Lancelot Law Whyte]'''. Contains English original, Lojban translation, word-by-word gloss, and a word-by- word gloss of a 1977 Loglan version by J.R. Atkins, showing the different styles of tanru in effect at that time
|Nick Nicholas.
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/words1.txt Lyric from a Suzanne Vega song, "Words"]'''
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]], with commentary based on Nick Nicholas's translation of the same poem into other artificial languages. Also available [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/words_poem.tex in TeX format].
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmW92vwNRWw A (very) short video clip in Esperanto] with Lojban subtitles
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|'''lojbo kamjikca lisri''' This is a web-based story in lojban that you can add to. At each step of the story, you make a choice. When you reach the end of what others have written, you can add your own part to the story.
|lojbo cecmu
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/original/lojban_story/story/story.pl Lojbanic Interactive Story]'''
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|'''[http://languages.geekworld.dk/wiki/index.php/Freefall_in_Lojban Ongoing wiki translation of the Freefall comics]''' Warning: no translated pictures until any full translation appears.
|
|
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la .berbif. joi la .sol.]]
|Nick Nicholas.
|North Wind And Sun
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se cilre
|[[le lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi Ceqli|le lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi Ceqli]] is the Lojban translation of the Ceqli. Note that some comics relax the rule on Lojban orthography. The most common non-standard orthography is for {.i} which in some comic is rendered without the initial dot and in others is replaced by a colon ':'.
|[[User:.aionys.|la .aionys.]]
|[http://ceqli.pbworks.com/w/page/41974416/Ceqli%20through%20pictures Ceqli through pictures]
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le lunra jo'u le mapku]], [[:File:719.sip|le lunra jo'u le mapku]]
|[[la remod]]
|
|Noni, Angie & Upesh
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[:File:725.sip|le virnu smani blozeile'a]]
|[[la remod]]
|"The Brave Monkey Pirate"
|Heyes Roberts
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[The Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin]]
|Michael Turniansky
|The Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight]], [[Berenstain_Bears_in_a_Fight.ogg]], [[Berenstain_Fight_Tengwar.zip]]
|Andrew Piekarski, reviewed by Michael Turniansky
|The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight
|
|-
|lo lojbo
|lo verba lisri
|[[la teris. po'u lo tirxu cu vitke zi'o le barda tcadu]]
|Michael Turniansky
|
|
|-
|lo sampu lojbo
|lo verba lisri
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/tikitiki "Tikki-Tikki Tembo"]'''
|John Cowan
|
|classic Chinese children's folktale
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[:File:890.sip|lo dalpe'o dinsauru]]
|[[la remod]]
|If I had a pet dinosaur
|Gil Robles
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[Goodnight Moon]]
|[[UserPagePlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
|Goodnight Moon
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[Green Eggs and Ham]]
|[[UserPagePlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
|Green Eggs and Ham
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[la cmalu je xunre mapku]]
|[[la vensa]]
|Little Red Riding Hood
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[la .slokrebaf. .e le ci cribe]]
|[[la vensa]]
|Goldilocks and The Three Bears
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le tumcakrespa .e le clakeryractu]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Tortoise and The Hare
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le cmalu je xunre jipcyfe'i]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Little Red Hen
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le dunda tricu]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Giving Tree
|
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|'''[http://xanrilisri.thecomicseries.com lo'i xanri lisri fi la .esop.]'''
|
|
|la .aisopos.
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se sanga
|[[sanga do'e la iore'e palys atinys]]
|la .az.
|
|
|}
==Other resources (to be included into the table)==
*[[lojban music]]
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All about poi and noi

2016-05-26T12:07:36Z

Selpahi: Added authorship indication as well as a disclaimer that the page represents my personal views only

''———Written by selpahi———''

{{personal}}

'''DO NOT READ YET'''

This page sets out to explain all you need to now about the relative clause markers '''poi''' and '''noi'''.

It does not contain separate explanations for '''pe''', '''ne''', '''po'u''' and '''no'u''', because those are nothing more than shortcuts of '''poi''' and '''noi''' combined with specific predicates. Everything that applies to '''poi''' and '''noi''' directly applies to those cmavo, too. No separate explanations are required. For a conversion table see the bottom of this page.

The examples on this page will consist of a Lojban phrase or expression, a rendering in logic notation, and an English translation.

=Logic symbols used in this article=

{| class="wikitable"
! Symbol !! Meaning
|-
| <math>\exists</math> || existential quantifier
|-
| <math>\forall</math> || universal quantifier
|-
| <math>\land</math> || logical and
|-
| <math>!</math> || logical negation
|-
| <math>=</math> || sameness, the two operands have the same referents.
|-
| <math>=<</math> || is-among, Lojban '''me'''
|-
| <math>Q</math> || any (outer) quantifier
|-
| x, y, z || singular variables
|-
| xx, yy, zz || plural variables
|-
| c, c0, c1, ... || plural constants
|-
| [ ] || surrounds prenex
|-
| : || corresponds to Lojban '''poi'''
|-
| ; || separates sentences, like Lojban '''.i'''
|}

=poi and noi in general=

'''poi''' and '''noi''' introduce relative clauses, restrictive and non-restrictive respectively. They help us narrow down referent sets or allow us to provide additional information about a given sumti. For both '''poi''' and '''noi''', their syntactic position and environment make a big difference as to what exactly they achieve in a given sentence. We will look at each and every possible case below.

==A general note about inner quantifiers==

It should be noted that so-called inner quantifiers (the ones between gadri and selbri) aren't true logical quantifiers in that they don't count true bridi, but merely enumerate the number of referents of a sumti. The presence or absence of an inner quantifier has no effect on the behaviour of relative clauses, be it outer or inner relative clauses. What a relative clause means is solely dependent on whether it is a restrictive ('''poi''') or non-restrictive ('''noi''') one, and whether it is an inner ('''lo broda NOI''') or outer ('''lo broda ku NOI''') relative clause.

=PA da poi=

[...]

What does a quantifier do? A quantifier counts how many times or for how many things a bridi is true, or, put another way, a quantifier counts true bridi.

[...]

domain

anything -> anybody

examples

A useful thing to know is that a sentence of the form '''su'o da poi broda cu brode''' is truth-functionally equivalent to '''su'o da ge broda gi brode''':

{{mu|su'o da poi ke'a broda cu brode}}
{{lm||equals}}
{{mu|su'o da ge broda gi brode}}

For example:

{{lm|su'o da poi ke'a cribe cu blabi|<math>[\exists x : cribe(x)] \: blabi(x)</math>|"Some bears are white."}}

has the same meaning as:

{{lm|su'o da ge cribe gi blabi|<math>[\exists x] \: cribe(x) \land blabi(x)</math>|"There exists some X such that X is both a bear and white."}}

For '''ro da poi broda cu brode''' the following equivalence holds instead:

{{lm|ro da poi ke'a broda cu brode}}
{{lm||equals}}
{{lm|ro da zo'u ga nai da broda gi da brode}}

For example:

{{lm|Lojban|<math>logic</math>|"English."}}

which means the same as:

{{lm|Lojban|<math>logic</math>|"English."}}

==PA <selbri>==

By definition, '''PA da poi ke'a broda''' can be abbreviated '''PA broda'''. This is a handy shortcut that saves space, variables, and terminators. Apart from the different grammar, '''PA broda''' behaves identical to '''PA da poi ke'a broda''' in all contexts.

==PA <sumti>==

'''poi''' also appears "invisibly" any time a sumti carries an outer quantifier.

A quantifier <math>Q</math> counts for how many things that are among the referents of <sumti> the bridi is true, or in other words, it tells you that if you were to substitute each member for , then the bridi would be true exactly <math>Q</math> times.

This is the formula that is evoked any time an outer quantifier occurs in a bridi:

{{lm|Q da poi ke'a me <sumti> cu broda|<math>[Qx : x =< c_s ] \: broda(x)</math>}}

[...]

For example:

{{lm|Lojban|<math>logic</math>|"English"}}

[...]

{{lm|Lojban|<math>logic</math>|"English"}}

We will need this expansion later when we look at '''PA lo <selbri>''' and its variations.

=PA da noi=

[...]

{{lm|Q da broda|<math>[Qx] \: broda(x)</math>}}

{{mu|Q <sumti> cu broda}}

{{mu|Q da poi ke'a me <sumti> cu broda}}

[...]

{{lm|Q da poi ke'a brode cu broda|<math>[Qx : brode(x)] \: broda(x)</math>}}

[...]

{{lm|Q da noi ke'a brode cu broda|<math>[Qx] \: broda(x); \: [Ay : brode(y)] \: broda(y)</math>}}

Whence the universal quantifier? In simple terms, we know that '''noi''' is non-restrictive, which means that its presence must not have any impact on the number of true bridi that the quantifier Q counts. The only logical way in which a relative clause could make a statement without restricting (i.e. selecting a sub-set) is if the predicate of the '''noi'''-clause applies to ''every'' member of a given referent-set.

Prefixing a '''na ku''' to a bridi is always a good way to gain insights about the scope interactions within the bridi. How does such a negation differ between a '''poi''' sentence and a '''noi''' sentence?

na ku su'o da poi ke'a brode cu broda

<math>![Ex : brode(x)] \: broda(x)</math>

<math>[Ax : brode(x)] \: !broda(x)</math>

{{mu|na ku su'o da noi ke'a brode cu broda|<math>![Ex] \: broda(x); \: [Ay : brode(y)] \: broda(y)</math>}}

In the '''noi''' version, we know that nothing '''broda''', but all things still '''brode''', because '''noi''' makes a separate claim.

In the '''poi''' version, we know have a much weaker claim, namely that nothing satisfies both '''brode''' and '''broda''' together (<math>broda(x) \land brode(x)</math>), while nothing is said about how many things satisfy '''broda''', and how many satisfy '''brode'''.

=<sumti> NOI=

==<sumti> noi==

Let's begin this section with the simplest case first, '''<sumti> noi'''. This is '''noi''' in its most basic habitat. '''noi''' makes an incidental claim about the head noun which is separate from the main bridi. The general syntax of '''<sumti> noi''' is this:

{{lm|<sumti> noi ke'a brode cu broda|<math>brode(c); \: broda(c)</math>}}

Logically speaking this is the simplest possible use of a relative clause; two simple claims, no quantification. For example:

{{lm|mi pilno ti noi ke'a plixau|<math>c = ti; \: pilno(mi, c); \: plixau(c)</math>|"I'm using this, which is useful." / "I'm using this. It's useful."}}

What does it mean for the '''noi''' clause to constitute a separate claim? It means that any operators that operate on the main bridi will not affect the content of the '''noi''' clause. For example:

{{lm|xu do noi ke'a certu ba sidju mi|<math>? \: sidju(do, mi); \: certu(do)</math>|"Will you, who are an expert, help me?"}}

The question word '''xu''' only affects the main bridi, keeping the '''noi''' clause an assertion.

Similarly so for negation:

{{lm|na ku mi noi prami do cu tolstace|<math>! \: tolstace(mi); \: prami(mi, do)</math>|"It's not the case that I, who love you, am dishonest." (i.e., "I love you, and I'm not dishonest."}}

While it's possible to translate '''mi noi prami do cu tolstace''' into English as ''"I love you and am being dishonest"'', this is not recommended, because it could suggest that '''noi''' can be translated into '''gi'e''', which it cannot, as becomes apparent when the '''na ku''' is added back in:

{{lm|na ku mi prami do gi'e tolstace|<math>!( prami(mi, do) \land tolstace(mi))</math>|"It's not the case that I both love you and am being dishonest." (i.e., at least one of those two is false)}}

Therefore it's best to always consider the '''noi''' clause as entirely independent from the main claim, lest one could make wrong assumptions.

==<sumti> poi==

The previous section that '''<sumti> noi''' is very straightforward. It has an obvious meaning and its logic is easy to grasp. '''<sumti> poi''' on the other hand might be less obvious. In the section about '''da poi''' we saw '''poi''' restricting the domain of a quantifier. But here we have no quantifier, so what is the '''poi''', the ''restrictive'' relative clause marker, to restrict in '''<sumti> poi'''?

The general syntax of '''<sumti> poi''' is this:

{{lm|<sumti> poi ke'a brode cu broda|<math>c_0 =< c_{sumti} \land brode(c_0); \: broda(c_0)</math>}}

What does this mean? It means that '''<sumti> poi ke'a brode''' creates a new sumti whose referents are those that are both among <sumti> and satisfy '''brode'''. Since there is no quantifier whose domain could be restricted, the '''poi''' has to perform a restriction directly on the sumti. It does this by selecting referents from among the sumti which satisfy a certain predicate, namely the predicate inside the relative clause.

It is important to note that precisely ''all'' referents that are among <sumti> and satisfy '''brode''' are among the referents of the resulting expression, not just ''some'' of the referents. This is called maximality.

Looking at the logic notation, we can see that the constant c is only stated to be among c1 and to brode, but not that all referents among c1 that brode are among c0, even though that's what the '''poi''' version implies. The following always holds with outer '''poi''':

<math>[\forall xx] \: xx =< c_{sumti} \land brode(xx) \to xx =< c_0</math>

So the full sentence would actually be:

<math>c_0 =< c_{sumti} \land brode(c_0) \land ([\forall xx] \: xx =< c \land brode(xx) \to xx =< c_1); \: broda(c_0)</math>

However, since this takes up so much space, we will omit the part in the middle with the understanding that maximality is implied in all examples involving outer '''poi'''. This is to keep things easier to read.

Let's look at some examples:

{{lm|Lojban|<math>logic</math>|"English."}}

[...]

{{lm|Lojban|<math>logic</math>|"English."}}

[...]

===<sumti> poi with apparently singular <sumti>===

Certain kinds of sumti tend to be interpreted as singular, like '''mi''' (presupposing a single speaker here), or perhaps a sumti formed with '''zo'''. What effect does using '''poi''' on a sumti like this have, and what does this tell us about '''poi'''?

[...]

=Selbri-based descriptions=

==Relative clause placements==

A selbri-based description is a sumti made from a gadri plus a selbri, e.g. '''lo plise'''. With selbri-based descriptions there are three different places a relative clause (abbreviated <rel>) can go:

{{mu|lo <rel> broda <rel> ku <rel>}}

By definition, a relative clause that appears between gadri and selbri is equivalent to one that appears after the '''ku''':

{{mu|lo <rel> broda}}

is equivalent to:

{{mu|lo broda ku <rel>}}

Because they are equivalent we will only analyse the case where the relative clause follows '''ku''' to avoid duplication.

If the relative clause is placed between selbri and '''ku''' then the meaning changes compared to the other two cases above.

Below we will examine the different possibilities, '''lo broda poi''', '''lo broda noi''', '''lo broda ku poi''' and '''lo broda ku noi''' in detail.

==Inner relative clauses - lo <selbri> NOI==

===lo <selbri> poi===

[...]

Quite a different case is '''lo broda poi brode''', where the relative clause is placed between selbri and '''ku'''. Here, '''poi''' semantically acts even before '''lo''' to define the initial predicate of which '''lo''' then extracts the x1. The resulting predicate has the same referent set as the conjunction of the initial predicate and the relative clause.

{{mu|lo broda poi brode}}

A '''poi''' in this position is exactly equivalent to '''je poi'i''':

{{mu|lo broda je poi'i ke'a brode}}

And this is equivalent to:

{{mu|lo poi'i ke'a broda gi'e brode}}

Since the inner '''poi''' merely defines the initial referents of the sumti, it has no bearing on outer quantifiers. '''lo broda poi brode ku''' is really just a specific case of '''lo <selbri> ku'''.

For example:

{{mu|lo plise poi xunre}}

Yields a sumti that refers to red apples. Let's examine the logic in a full sentence:

{{lm|mi lebna lo mu plise poi xunre|<math>plise(c) \land xunre(c) \land mumei(c); \: lebna(mi, c)</math>|"I take the five red apples."}}

Now the same example with an additional outer quantifier:

{{mu|mi lebna re lo mu plise poi xunre}}
{{lm|re da poi ke'a me lo mu plise poi xunre zo'u mi da lebna|<math>plise(c) \land xunre(c) \land mumei(c); \: [2x : x =< c] \: lebna(mi, x)</math>|"I take two of the five red apples."}}

[...]

What happens, when '''poi''' is outside the '''ku'''? Then we get a case we've already covered: '''<sumti> poi broda''' (we recall that '''<sumti> poi broda''' is the same as '''lo me <sumti> je broda''', which is the same as '''lo poi'i ke'a me <sumti> gi'e broda'''). But we will consider this case in more detail later.

Now, what about inner '''noi'''?

===lo <selbri> noi===

[...]

{{mu|lo broda noi brode}}

{{mu|lo poi'i ke'a broda (to ri brode toi)}}

[...]

{{lm|lo plise noi xunre cu kukte|<math>plise(c); \: xunre(c); \: kukte(c)</math>}}

At first glance this looks identical to (5.2) ('''lo plise poi xunre cu kukte''')

{{lm|lo plise poi xunre cu kukte|<math>plise(c) \land xunre(c); \: kukte(c)</math>}}

(not even a negation could cause a difference here, because the sentence contains nothing but constants)

As we've seen above, an inner '''poi''' clause attaches directly to the selbri, in a sense restricting the referent set of the predicate by replacing the single predicate with a conjunction of it and another predicate.

In other words, the '''poi''' in '''lo broda poi brode''' creates a new predicate <math>H</math> that has the same referent set as <math>F \land G</math>.

In this sense, '''poi''' performs a restrictive roll, even in the absence of any logical quantifiers. '''noi''', however, is the non-restrictive counterpart. It, too, will try to attach directly to the predicate, but without restricting the referent set of the resulting predicate. This means that it does not create a new predicate, or, perhaps more accurately, the referent set of <math>F \land G</math> in the case of '''noi''' is equivalent to that of the lone predicate <math>F</math>.

The nuance here is more subtle than with quantifiers and applies directly to the universe of discourse. Let's build an analogue between the quantified noi/poi distinction we already understand, and the inner noi/poi distinction to see the parallels:

{{lm|Q da poi ke'a brode cu broda|<math>[Qx : brode(x)] \: broda(x)</math>|"English"}}

[...]

{{lm|Q da noi ke'a brode cu broda|<math>[Qx] \: broda(x); \: [Ay : brode(y)] \: broda(y)</math>|"English"}}

As covered much earlier, the '''noi''' implies a universal quantifier, because that's the only logical way that a conjunction can have the same referent set as the predicates in isolation. A similar thing could be said about inner '''noi''', let's compare:

{{mu|lo broda poi brode cu brodi (replace with actual words!!)}}

{{mu|lo poi'i ke'a broda gi'e brode cu brodi|"English"}}

But in keeping with the theme of creating a new predicate, let's introduce a '''me'au''':

{{lm|lo me'au lo ka broda je lo ka brode cu brodi|<math>broda(c) \land brode(c); \: brodi(c)</math>|"English"}}

The sumti is now very clearly one whose referent(s) satisfy the conjunction of two predicates. What about '''noi'''?

{{mu|lo broda noi brode cu brodi}}

{{lm|lo me'au lo ka broda cu brodi .i ro'oi me'au lo ka broda cu me'au lo ka brode|<math>ka(c_F, broda); \: ka(c_G, brode); \: ckaji(c, c_F) \land ckaji(c, c_G); \: brodi(c)</math>|"English"}}

This could be written simpler if Lojban had a non-restrictive version of '''je''' (something I've proposed it should have), but it doesn't.

Thus, we can conclude that the previous example implies a universe of discourse where <math>F</math> and <math>F \land G</math> have the same referent set, or put another way, in which for all things, being broda entails being brode.

No such implication occurs in the '''poi''' version.

Again: Inner '''poi''' creates a new predicate that has the same referent set as the conjunction of the two conjoined predicates.

Inner '''noi''' does not create a conjunction, but rather comments on the predicate saying that being '''broda''' also means being '''brode''' (in the current universe of discourse).

==Outer relative clauses - lo <selbri> ku NOI==

===lo <selbri> ku poi===

If you have read everything above, then this section contains no truly new information.

'''lo <selbri> ku''' is a case of '''<sumti>''', and we already know how '''<sumti>''' interacts with quantifiers and relative clauses. There isn't anything new to understand here, but we'll look at an example regardless:

{{lm|lo mu plise ku poi xunre cu kukte|<math>plise(c_p) \land mumei(c_p); \: c =< c_p \land xunre(c); \: kukte(c)</math>|"The red ones among the five apples are delicious."}}

[...]

===lo <selbri> ku noi===

Again, '''lo <selbri> ku noi''' is a case of '''<sumti> noi''', which was covered earlier.

{{lm|lo mu plise ku noi xunre cu kukte|<math>plise(c_p) \land mumei(c_p); \: kukte(c_p); \: xunre(c_p)</math>|"The five apples, which are red, are delicious."}}

[...]

==PA lo <selbri> ku poi==

We shall now examine the most complicated case, an outer quantifier paired with an outer '''poi''', and then '''noi'''.

{{mu|re lo mu plise ku poi xunre cu kukte}}

Interpretation 1:
{{lm|re da poi ke'a me lo mu plise gi'e xunre cu kukte|<math>plise(c) \land mumei(c); \: [2x : x =< c \land xunre(c)] \: kukte(c)</math>|"Two things that are among the five apples and are red are delicious."}}

Interpretation 2:
{{lm|re lo poi'i ke'a me lo mu plise gi'e xunre cu kukte|<math>plise(c_{plise}) \land mumei(c_{plise}); \: c =< c_{plise} \land xunre(c); \: [2x : x =< c] \: kukte(x)</math>|"Two things that are among those things which are among the five apples and red are delicious."}}

With this example, the two interpretations give the same result, the same number of delicious apples. However, the next example shows the inadequacy of interpretation 1:

{{mu|lo pulji cu arrest ro lo panono panja'o ku poi sruri lo dinju}}

(Note by the way, that the same sentence with inner '''poi''' would translate to English as ''"The police arrested each of the 100 building-surrounding demonstrators"'', i.e., all 100 both demonstrated and surrounded the building)

Let us again examine the two possible interpretations:

Interpretation 1:

{{lm|lo pulji cu arrest ro da poi ke'a me lo panono panja'o gi'e sruri lo dinju|<math>pulji(c_{pulji}); \: panjaho(c_{panjaho}) \land panonomei(c_{panjaho}); \: dinju(c_{dinju}); \: [\forall x : x =< c_{panjaho} \land sruri(x,c_{dinju})] \: arrest(c_{pulji}, x)</math>|"The police arrested each thing that was among the one hundred demonstrators and that surrounded the building."}}

Interpretation 2:

{{lm|lo pulji cu arrest ro lo poi'i ke'a me lo panono panja'o gi'e sruri lo dinju|<math>logic</math>|"The police arrested each of those among the 100 demonstrators that surrounded the building."}}

(100 people were demonstrating, some of them surrounded the building, and all of those got arrested)

With interpretation 1 the police didn't actually arrest anyone! (unless we're dealing with relatives of Mister Fantastic or Plastic Man)

This is because interpretation 1 does not account for non-distributive plural predication, while interpretation 2 does.

Therefore, interpretation 2 is the way to go. As a bonus, it also happens to result in fewer rules, which is always good.

==PA lo <selbri> ku noi==

What if the outer '''poi''' in the previous example is replaced with outer '''noi'''?

{{mu|mi lebna ci lo mu plise ku noi xunre}}

Interpretation 1:

{{lm|mi lebna ci lo mu plise .i ro plise poi mi lebna ke'a cu xunre|<math>plise(c) \land mumei(c); \: [3x : x =< c] \: lebna(mi, x); \: [\forall y : plise(y) \land lebna(mi, y)] \: xunre(y)</math>|"I take three of the five apples. Each apple that I take is red."}}

(Note that the '''noi''' version differs significantly from a hypothetical '''poi''' version. With '''noi''' we know that exactly three apples are taken. With '''poi''' we know that three red apples are taken, but not whether any non-red apples are taken)

Interpretation 2:

{{lm|lo mu plise cu xunre .i mi lebna ci ri|<math>plise(c) \land mumei(c); \: xunre(c); \: [3x : x =< c] \: lebna(mi, x)</math>|"The five apples are red. I take three of them."}}

Again, both interpretations yield the same number of red apples taken by the speaker (three red apples), but they get to that result by different mechanisms. Which one is correct? Interpretation 1 parallels Interpretation 1 of the '''poi''', and interpretation 2 parallels interpretation 2. We saw that interpretation two of '''poi''' was better, does the same apply to '''noi'''?

Let's consider '''noi''' in the context of the demonstrators that surrounded the building:

{{mu|lo pulji cu arrest reno lo panono panja'o ku noi sruri lo dinju}}

Interpretation 1:

{{lm|lo pulji cu arrest reno da poi ke'a menre lo panono panja'o .i ro panja'o poi lo pulji cu arrest ke'a cu sruri lo dinju|<math>pulji(c_{pulji}); \: panjaho(c_{panjaho}) \land panonomei(c_{panjaho}); \: [20x : x =< c_{panjaho}] \: arrest(c_{pulji}, x); \: dinju(c_{dinju}); \: [\forall y : panjaho(y) \land arrest(c_{pulji}, y)] \: sruri(y, c_{dinju})</math>|"The police arrested 20 of the 100 demonstrators. Each demonstrator that the police arrested was surrounding the building."}}

Note that this does not mean that it's necessarily the case that nobody else among the demonstrators surrounded the building. It does however say that each single arrested demonstrator surrounded the building individually, which is not the intended meaning, and likely a very bizarre situation. Maybe that's why the police felt the need to arrest them.

Interpretation 2:

{{lm|lo panono panja'o cu sruri lo dinju .i lo pulji cu arrest reno lo go'i|<math>logic</math>|"The 100 demonstrators were surrounding the building. The police arrested 20 of them."}}

This says that in fact all 100 demonstrators were building-surrounders. Thus, any 20 that the police could arrest automatically are building-surrounders also. Additionally, interpretation 2 again does what interpretation 1 does not: account for plural quantification.

But what if we do want to say that what interpretation 1 said (minus the distributivity)?. We might not want to claim each demonstrater a building-surrounder. We might want to say that each arrested demonstrator was a building-surrounder, no, that each arrested demonstrator was ''among'' building-surrounders. Well, we can:

{{mu|lo pulji cu arrest ro reno lo panono panja'o ku poi sruri lo dinju}}

{{lm|lo pulji cu arrest ro reno lo poi'i ke'a me lo panono panja'o gi'e sruri lo dinju|<math>logic</math>|"The police arrested all 20 of those that were among the 100 demonstrators and that surrounded the building."}}

lo==Relative clauses and la==

la broda NOI

la NOI broda ku'o broda

When to put '''la''' first, and when to put it last?

[...]

{{mu|Lojban|''"English"''}}

[...]

==lo mi <selbri>==

==la and relative clauses==

"President Obama", "Teris the tiger".

[...]

la broda poi
la broda ku poi

la broda noi
la broda ku noi

po'u la broda

[...]

=ma NOI=

First, let's recap how the question word '''ma''' (as well as all the other question words) behave.
ma always has top-scope, no matter how deeply nested it appears in a sentence. (1) and (2) are equivalent:
(1) do djica lo nu mi zukte ma
"You want me to do what?"
"What do you want me to do?"
(2) ma poi'i do djica lo nu mi zukte ke'a
"What is such that you want me to do it?"
"What is it you want me to do?"
However, if we wish to restrict the referent pool of the question word, the familiar method of using poi (as in (3)) may not be semantically accurate -- the desired expansion of (3) is (4), but the actual meaning is (5). The difference might be subtle and difficult to spot, but it's there, and it means that we should find a new way to say "which/what".
(3) do pu kanpe lo nu mi cuxna ma poi taxfu
(4) ma taxfu gi'e poi'i do pu kanpe lo nu mi cuxna ke'a
(5) ma poi'i do pu kanpe lo nu mi cuxna ke'a poi taxfu
ma poi'i do pu kanpe lo nu mi cuxna lo me ke'a je taxfu
One option might be to use noi instead of poi (as in (6)), another would be to use mo (as in (7)).
(6) do pu kanpe lo nu mi cuxna ma noi taxfu
(7) do pu kanpe lo nu mi cuxna lo mo taxfu
"What kind of clothes did you expect me to choose?"
"[The] what-clothes did you expect me to choose?"
Both methods leave something to be desired. Even if noi has the right semantics, it still requires a terminator and a ke'a, while using mo can be vague (since it's a tanru) and it can be awkward to use.

Therefore, it might be a good idea to create a new gadri X (in selma'o LO) that has the semantics of (4) but keeps the wh in-situ capability of (3). In other words, '''ko'a broda X brode''' would be defined as '''ma brode gi'e poi'i ko'a broda ke'a'''.

It remains to be decided how that new gadri should be spelled.

=Summary=

[...]

There are only two rules to learn, two rules, which explain every possible combination of quantifiers and relative clauses.

[...]

With this, we have covered every possible case of relative clauses.

=Conversion formulas=

{| class="wikitable"
|-
| '''su'o da poi ke'a brode cu broda''' || '''su'o da ge brode gi broda'''
|-
| '''ro da poi ke'a brode cu broda''' || '''ro da ga nai brode cu broda'''
|-
| '''PA <selbri>''' || '''PA da poi ke'a <selbri>'''
|-
| '''PA <sumti>''' || '''PA da poi ke'a me <sumti>'''
|-
| '''PA da noi ke'a broda cu brode''' || '''PA da broda .i ro broda cu brode'''
|-
| '''<sumti> noi ke'a broda cu brode''' || '''<sumti> brode .i <sumti> broda'''
|-
| '''<sumti> poi ke'a broda''' || '''lo me <sumti> je poi'i ke'a broda lo poi'i ke'a me <sumti> gi'e broda'''
|-
| '''lo broda poi brode''' || '''lo broda je poi'i ke'a brode''' '''lo poi'i ke'a broda gi'e brode'''
|-
| '''lo broda noi brode''' || '''lo broda (to ro'oi broda cu brode toi)'''
|-
| '''lo broda ku poi brode''' || '''lo poi'i ke'a me lo broda gi'e brode'''
|-
| '''lo broda ku noi brode''' || '''lo broda ku (to ri brode toi)'''
|-
| '''lo NOI ke'a brode ku'o broda''' || '''lo broda ku NOI brode'''
|}

==Conversion to and from relative phrases==

{| class="wikitable"
|-
| '''pe <sumti>''' || '''poi ke'a co'e <sumti>'''
|-
| '''ne <sumti>''' || '''noi ke'a co'e <sumti>'''
|-
| '''po'u <sumti>''' || '''poi ke'a du <sumti>'''
|-
| '''no'u <sumti>''' || '''noi ke'a du <sumti>'''
|-
| '''goi <sumti>''' || '''noi ca'e ke'a du <sumti>'''
|}

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This page is for errata in [[The Complete Lojban Language|The Complete Lojban Language]], that is for mistakes such as typos, or self-contradictions, or contradictions with other baselined language definition material. This is '''not''' a page to put desiderata (suggestions for improvement); such suggestions should go to [[Suggestions for CLL, second edition|Suggestions for CLL, second edition]]. This is also not a page to put errata resulting from the 4th Baseline Grammar proposal (i.e., the [[PEG|PEG]] grammar); PEG grammar errata should go to [[CLL PEG Errata|CLL PEG Errata]].

An online version of the CLL incorporating the changes on this page [http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/cll/ is available].

See also [[What is Lojban errata|'What is Lojban?' errata]] (for the published version), Level 0 Booklet Errata [[Level 0 Booklet Errata Introduction|Level 0 Booklet Errata]] (for the pre-publication reviews; now finished), and [[Lessons Errata|Lessons Errata]] (for the beginners' course).

The "''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''" tag means that http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/cll/ includes this fix, which also means it'll probably be in the next CLL version.

== General issues / questions ==
* Even though the CLL probably shouldn't encode the "brivla-cmevla merge" proposal yet (if ever), I think it should have {cu} in {la .djan. cu klama}. This is because BCM or not, this elision of {cu} is confusing to beginners. Once they learn that brivla can be names too, they are liable to go e.g. {la zipcpi klama}; makes {la} look like it has "two grammars".

== Chapter 1 ==
* The very first picture has a pedagogical error: "coi lojban." should be "coi .lojban." (This is an error even by pre-dotside standards, as pre-dotside, only {la}/{lai}/{doi} didn't require a pause before cmevla.)
** All/most cmevla need a once-over for dotside (some pre-dotside errors too, like {.alis})
* There is a paragraph at the very beginning of CLL, on page 4, with the sentence ''"In essence, Chapter 2 gives a brief overview of the language, Chapter 21 gives the formal structure of the language, and the chapters in between put semantic bones on that formal flesh."''
** Wouldn't it make more sense to say "put semantic flesh on those formal bones"? [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 6, it says "Larry Horn's work ''The Natural History of Negation''". It would appear that everyone else calls it '''''A''' Natural History of Negation'', by '''Laurence''' (R.) Horn.
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL'' (zort's fork at least) but needs approval

== Chapter 2 ==
* Section 2.2 paragraph 2 says "o as in “dome”" but Australian/British English pronounces "dome" as per http://howjsay.com/index.php?word=dome&submit=Submit (i.e. a diphthong, which would be incorrect). This may result in many readers learning the wrong pronunciation of Lojban.
: This sort of issue also exists in the "Level 0 Booklet" publication.
: There must be a better example word that has the correct "o" for all dialects of English - is "lozenge" a good word?
: At the very least, specify which dialect is intended.
* Section 5 example 5.7 uses "ti" to point at a language, and should have its accompanying note changed to more accurately reflect that this is not how "ti" works.
* Section 6 Example 6.5 has "cu" as elidable, when in fact it is simply illegal there. Removed. ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
** uanai, I still see "cu" in DAG-CLL.
* Section 8 page 17 claims that "xu" is discussed in section 1.7, which happens to list the captions for all the chapter pictures.
** It should refer to Section 15. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
*** The link in the current DAG-CLL is pointing to "2/2/15" instead of to "2/15".
* Section 10 says that example 10.3 (mi tavla do le tavla ku) means the same as (mi tavla do le tavla ku). Example 10.3 should be "mi tavla do le tavla", as it describes how "ku" may be omitted.
** It appears that example 10.3 is incorrect only in the online version, not the published book.
* Section 17 says "Note that Example 17.3 has and requires a “cu” to prevent “bajra” and “klama” from forming a tanru, but Example 17.4 and Example 17.5 lack the unnecessary “cu”.", but example 17.3 is "la djan. ~np~[[cu|cu]]~/np~ klama le zarci".
** It appears that the offending sentence is present only in the online version, not the published book.
* Example 17.9 is "le vi tavla ku cu ba klama" in the online version, and totally broken in the published book.
** Go with the online version. [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Example 17.9 in dag-cll as of 2012-05-05 is "le vi tavla ~np~[[ku|ku]]~/np~ cu ba klama". Since the same section has explained that tense tags make "cu" unnecessary, I think the example should be "le vi tavla ~np~[[ku|ku]] [[cu|cu]]~/np~ ba klama".

== Chapter 3 ==

A lot of the IPA examples use a space to indicate a syllable break. This is not standard IPA usage; according to IPA, the period “.” should be used to indicate a syllable division.
* Section 2, page 30: in the table the description of "apostrophe" should read "an unvoiced glottal spirant", not "a unvoiced".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 2, digital version. The IPA table got horribly mangled somewhere along the way. It should look like (SAMPA column added):
{| class="wikitable"
|| Letter
|| IPA
|| SAMPA
|| Description

|-
|| '
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/h h]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/h h]
|| an unvoiced glottal spirant

|-
|| ,
|| -
|| -
|| the syllable separator

|-
|| .
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ʔ ʔ]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/CLL,+aka+Reference+Grammar,+Errata? ?]
|| a glottal stop or a pause

|-
|| a
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/a a], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ɑ ɑ]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/a a], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/A A]
|| an open vowel

|-
|| b
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/b b]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/b b]
|| a voiced bilabial stop

|-
|| c
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ʃ ʃ], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ʂ ʂ]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/S S], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/s%60 s`]
|| an unvoiced postalveolar fricative

|-
|| d
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/d d]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/d d]
|| a voiced dental/alveolar stop

|-
|| e
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ɛ ɛ], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/e e]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/E E], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/e e]
|| a front mid vowel

|-
|| f
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/f f], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ɸ ɸ]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/f f], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/p/ p\]
|| an unvoiced labial fricative

|-
|| g
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ɡ ɡ]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/g g]
|| a voiced velar stop

|-
|| i
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/i i]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/i i]
|| a front close vowel

|-
|| j
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ʒ ʒ], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ʐ ʐ]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Z Z], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/z%60 z`]
|| a voiced postalveolar fricative

|-
|| k
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/k k]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/k k]
|| an unvoiced velar stop

|-
|| l
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/l l], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/l̩ l̩]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/l l], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/l= l=]
|| a voiced lateral approximant (may be syllabic)

|-
|| m
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/m m], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/m̩ m̩]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/m m], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/m= m=]
|| a voiced bilabial nasal (may be syllabic)

|-
|| n
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/n n], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/n̩ n̩], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ŋ ŋ], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ŋ̩ ŋ̩]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/n n], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/n= n=], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/N N], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/N= N=]
|| a voiced dental or velar nasal (may be syllabic)

|-
|| o
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/o o], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ɔ ɔ]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/o o], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/O O]
|| a back mid vowel

|-
|| p
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/p p]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/p p]
|| an unvoiced bilabial stop

|-
|| r
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/r r], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ɹ ɹ], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ɾ ɾ], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ʀ ʀ], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/r̩ r̩], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ɹ̩ ɹ̩], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ɾ̩ ɾ̩], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ʀ̩ ʀ̩]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/r r], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/r/ r\], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/4 4], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/R/ R\], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/r= r=], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/r/= r\=], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/4= 4=], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/R/= R\=]
|| a rhotic sound

|-
|| s
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/s s]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/s s]
|| an unvoiced alveolar sibilant

|-
|| t
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/t t]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/t t]
|| an unvoiced dental/alveolar stop

|-
|| u
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/u u]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/u u]
|| a back close vowel

|-
|| v
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/v v], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/β β]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/v v], [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/B B]
|| a voiced labial fricative

|-
|| x
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/x x]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/x x]
|| an unvoiced velar fricative

|-
|| y
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ə ə]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/@ @]
|| a central mid vowel

|-
|| z
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/z z]
|| [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/z z]
|| a voiced alveolar sibilant

|}
** Sort-of [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]]; what I actually did is had Arnt review what someone entered in DAG-CLL, which presumably was based on the above. ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 2, page 30. for the second eng (immediately to the left of "(may be syllabic)") the syllabicity marker is concealed by the right tail.
** I can just barely see the marker under a good light. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
*** For future editions :-) , note that the IPA approves putting diacritics above rather than below the letter in cases like these. Unfortunately, the fonts hitherto available have not made this facility available, so outside the journal of the IPA itself, such over-diacritics are seldom seen. — nitcion
* In section 3.2, the comma should (probably) be represented by the IPA notation [[ , aka Reference Grammar, Errata| ]], as the period is used in IPA to denote syllable breaks. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 2, page 30. For the Lojban phoneme /r/, the IPA symbol for a dental/alveolar voiced apical tap is given with a syllabicity marker below. A tap can't be syllabic, because it is by definition instantaneous. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]] Just remove that case altogether.
* Section 2. The descriptions of ''c'' and ''j'' are listed as "coronal sibilant"s. The descriptions should read "voiceless postalveolar fricative" and "voiced postalveolar fricative", respectively. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 3, third paragraph (page 31): "a unvoiced vowel glide" should be "an unvoiced vowel glide".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 6, page 36. IPA for the unacceptable American flap variant of intervocalic ''t'' shows the GA ''r'' sound (upside-down r) instead of the flap (like an r with no vertical bit at the top — see the list of acceptible ''r'' variants on on page 44 where it appears correctly) [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 6, page 36. (Same as previous erratum) The consonant is referred to as a flap, while it is actually a tap. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 7. In between the shaded boxes, "a pairing of voiced and unvoiced equivalent vowels" should read "a pairing of voiced and unvoiced equivalent consonants".
* Section 8, page 38. IPA for pronunciation of "xapcke" has c where it should have S (long s). [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 9, page 40. IPA for pronunciation of "dikyjvo" has j where it should have Z (that little script z thing) [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 12, page 46. What should be the Cyrillic letter ; is printed as something that looks like the Greek letter . Is this only a typographical variant of the ;, or is it a variant?
** This erratum is indecipherable and should be dropped, unless someone can reconstruct it. The Cyrillic letters look fine. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* Section 12, page 46. Replace the words "the hard sign" with an actual hard sign, U+044A CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER HARD SIGN.
* Section 12, page 47. "are/"esse" should probably be "are"/"esse" (the acute on the a may or may not have been left off, but the closing quote after are is definately missing.)
** My copy shows the acute.
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''

== Chapter 4 ==
* Section 4, page 54. The book states that fu'ivla with a form like ''spa'i'' are valid. They are not, they fail the slinku'i test. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 6, p 58, "-lac" in the third table in that section should be "-lac-"
* Section 6, it says "Most cmavo that have rafsi are ones used in composing tanru (for a complete list, see Chapter 12)", but there is no such list in Chapter 12, or anywhere in the book (ju'osai). Perhaps it wants to point to the list of PA rafsi in Chapter 18 section 25? Or to the lists of tanru in Chapter 5 sections 14 and 15?
** What I probably meant was that Chapter 12, taken as a whole, discusses the cmavo used in constructing tanru. I don't think any specific list ever existed. I'd just drop the parenthetical sentence.
** Related is the general problem of constructing tanru out of arbitrary cmavo, like what {lo ve lujvo be fo lu <ga'e zei lerfu> li'u} should be. {ze'oi} was invented for that purpose... probably too experimental for CLL though.
* Section 6, just after example 6.9. It says "some of the unreduced forms in the previous example", but it is not referring to the previous example: it is referring all the way back to examples 6.1 and 6.2, so it should be "some of the unreduced forms in the previous example'''s'''".
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL'' (zort's fork at least)

[[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]] Refer explicitly to 6.1 and 6.2
* Section 7, page 60. In example 6.16, the word "xarnykarce" is glossed as "war-car". Either the gloss should be updated to reflect the veljvo ("stubborn-car"), or the lujvo should be updated to reflect the gloss "jamkarce"
** The latter [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 7, making a type 3 fu'ivla, step 5 should read "steps 1-4", not "steps 1-5". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 7, step 5 of the Stage 3 fu'ivla: "if the rafsi ends in ''r'' and the rest of the fu'ivla begins with ''n'' (or vice versa) use an ''l''-hyphen" should read "if the rafsi ends in ''r'' and the rest of the fu'ivla begins with ''n'', ''tc'', ''ts'', ''dz'' or ''dj'', or the rafsi ends in ''n'' and the rest of the fu'ivla begins with ''r'' use an ''l''-hyphen". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* The end of section 7 seems to imply that cmene are exempt from the normal restrictions on consonant clusters as long as each consonant pair is valid.
* Section 8. Example 8.10 ''djandjonz'' is not valid lojban as it contains the forbidden consonant sequence `ndj`. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]] Replace with a different name.
** Replacing with "John Brown" as "djanbraun". mi'e la [[User:Robin Lee Powell|.camgusmis.]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 8, page 66. Example 8.12. Says that the gismu "solri" means "actually, 'pertaining to the sun'". This is false. According to the gismu list, it means ''is''a sun.
** Leave this one alone. As a seltau, "solri" does indeed mean "solar". --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* Section 11, 5a) ''Examine all the C/C consonant pairs that join the CVC rafsi, and also the pair between the last CVC and the X portion, ignoring any "y"-hyphen before the X.'' should read instead: ''Examine all the C/C consonant pairs up to the first "y"-hyphen, or up to the end of the word in case there are no "y"-hyphens.''
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 12. In Examples 12.2, 12.3 and 12.4 the calculations are given as 32500 minus the score, instead of simply the score. (Probably from previous versions of the algorithm.) [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 13, page 74, third table: there is no space between "lojbaugri" and "lojbangygri", so that they are run into one word in the second column of the table. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 15 states that "dzipo" comes from "cadzu cipni" ("walking bird"). This fails to make sense either etymologically or semantically (If the name refers to penguins, there are a lot of other features of Antarctica that are more prominent and not shared by other places). I suspect that the word may actually come from "dizlo daplu" ("low island"), which is a somewhat more reasonable name.
** Not an erratum, the word really does come from "caDZu cIPni". That it fails to make sense doesn't change the fact that that is how they constructed it. The etymologies of "bemro" and "ketco" make even less sense, by the way.
*** Correct, but the etymologies are what they are. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* [https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/s9P3LoGj5TI Etymology of ''misro''] from ''Mizrahim'' seems like an unnecessary and surprising detour. Linking it to ''misr'' makes more sense. mu'o mi'e .[[User:iesk|iesk]]. 16:47, 10 avgusto 2013 (UTC)

== Chapter 5 ==
* Section 6, example 6.15: It says {xamgu jo cortu nuntavla}, and the gloss says {(good if-and-only-if short) speech}, but {cortu} means "hurt", not "short".
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL'' (changed to {tordu}) (in zort's fork at least) [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Example 6.16: vajni ju selpluka nuntavla , (important whether-or-not pleasing) event-of-talking
** Should be pluka, not selpluka. [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 8 says "involving selma'o VOhA and GOhI, explained in Chapter 7", but VOhA doesn't appear in Chapter 7. VOhA doesn't even seem to be a selma'o, for that matter. Also, probably GOhI should be GOhA?
* Section 8, page 96/97: Example 8.13 needs some kind of terminator (like "be'o") before the "co". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Also, the preceding paragraph suggests that "be" is the only way to fill selbri places other than x1. This is not the case: "mi le zarci cu klama co sutra" would also work.
** I don't agree that there's any such suggestion, although adding a second possibility is fine with me. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* Section 9 lists "kei" as the terminator for nu, but it's not only for nu, but for all of NU. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 12 the text says examples 121 and 122 "use {ke} grouping and {bo} grouping respectively", but it isn't true. Example 121 uses only implicit tanru grouping, while 122 in fact uses {ke} grouping. Also, the text says they are equivalent in meaning, but they aren't (in the first one, {cadzu} groups with {masno}). Perhaps it's missing a {bo}? The translations of examples 121-126 are all affected by this false claim of equivalence.
* Section 12, last example says that {broda be fi ko'i ko'e} has {ko'e} in the x4 place because {be fi} moves the counter to 3. jbofi'e disagrees, but this may not be a CLL errata -- I haven't checked the linkargs section yet to see if it is consistent.
* Section 14, page 104 says "dadylsi" for "dadysli".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 14, page 105 uses "zdani lijgri" in the example list, but the paragraph after, as well as the next list, refer to "zdani linji" and "linji zdani".
* Section 14, page 105 has the lujvo "cpumi'i" but defines it at the bottom of the set as "cpami'i".
** cuami'i s pull-machine, so using that [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 14, page 106 says "plise tapla" for "apple cake". Does Turkish really refer to a cake as a tile, or is this a misunderstanding of the definition of "tapla"?
** No, it's that {tapla} can mean both cake and tile, as the gismu list shows; it's a generic word for a flat 3-D shape, or short cylinder. Stet. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* Section 14, page 108 says "tumla spisa". This should probably be "tumla pagbu", since pieces of land are not actually detached.
** What makes you think that spisa have to be detached? Stet. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* Section 14, page 109 says "rostu mojysu'a". "rostu" is not a Lojban gismu, nor an Old Loglan primitive. It's supposed to be "mrostu".
** "Mrostu" is correct, and that's the reading of the online version. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 14, "nunkilbra" is clearly not "sharpener", and even if it was using the right rafsi for cabra, that strikes me as a pretty crappy lujvo; needs zenba or zmadu or binxo or something.
* Section 14, page 112 lists numerous tanru examples whose meanings are hypernyms of the tertau instead of hyponyms. This contradicts the primariness of the tertau as defined on page 84. The word "ja" should probably be inserted between the constituents, or the entire section should be removed.
** Stet. Lions can't be made of stone, but {rokci cinfo} is a legitimate tanru nonetheless. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]

== Chapter 6 ==
* End of section 2, it says "compound negator ``naku'' (discussed in Chapter 15)", but "naku" is never mentioned in chapter 15; indeed, the only uses of the word {ku} at all are after the words {ji'u} or {na'i}. Chapter 16 talks about {naku}.''
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL'' (zort's fork at least) but needs approval
* Section 12, p. 138 claims that the sumti in examples 12.2 and 12.3 operate like examples 2.5 and 3.6 respectively. "2.6 and 3.6" is almost surely what was meant. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* In section 11 Example 11.2 occurs twice.
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 2 has examples 2.3 and 2.5 to show the difference between {lo} and {le}. Example 2.5 and the subsequent text say that {lo nanmu cu ninmu} is necessarily false in lojban since {noda nanmu gi'e ninmu}. This contributes to trans-erasure, and should be revised.
* In section 5 between examples 5.2 and 5.3, it says that the typical lion best exemplifies the set of lions. This is false, it exemplifies not the set, but the members of that set.
* In section 14, example 1.93, the quote delimiter {kuot} needs a preceding pause.

== Chapter 7 ==
* Section 5. http://lojban.github.io/cll/7/6/index.html. 6.14 is usage with outer repeating. It would seem that was a mistake. Looking at that, it seems like the author expects {nei} to repeat the entire outermost bridi, and expects {no'a} to repeat the outer bridi alone, somehow without the current innermost bridi. Or something. Definitely seems mistaken to me. so with zo'e in place of the abstraction clause. In this case, maybe with {zi'o}, actually. That would be useful but it would be nice if that had been explicit.
* Section 6, page 155 has a note below example 6.13 that says, in part: "The Lojban does not contain an equivalent of the "my" in colloquial English;" and then goes on to explain how example 6.13 could be modified to include the relationship between the speaker and their son and daughter. I believe you could say "le mi bersa" or "le bersa pe mi" to express the English "my," therefor removing the (presumably inaccurate) note and making the Lojban translation more accurate.
** Sure you could, but the point of the note (which is ''not'' inaccurate) is not teaching how to use relative clauses, but to clarify that the idiomatic English version contains more information than the Lojban version does. Stet.
* Section 6, page 156 has ''karca'' for ''karce''. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* After example 6.18 is a paragraph that quotes non-existent text from example 6.10. "go'e ra'o" should read "go'i ra'o" and "do go'e" should read "mi go'i"
** The correct correction is to replace "B's statement" with "A's second statement". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
*** Not really. "go'e ra'o" in A's second statement would mean the same as "go'e", which is wrong. The original correction is valid though.
*Section 6, the exceptions to the anaphora rules are almost certainly incomplete. In particular "ma" and "ce'u" definitely warrant exceptions.
* Section 7, example 7.7 has "mi zbasu loi mudri zi'o" for "mi zbasu le dinju zi'o"
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 8, p. 158 implies that ''vo'a''-series anaphora refer to sumti of the bridi they themselves are sumti of. This contradicts the cmavo list, and is incorrect: ''vo'a''-series anaphora (according to the ma'oste) refer to sumti of the outermost bridi within the current sentence. This makes them logophors/long distance reflexives, rather than short-distance reflexives, as is normal in human language. Thus, in ''mi nelci lenu do prami vo'a'', ''vo'a''means ''mi'', not ''do''.
**'''-->'''[[Why the Book is Right and the ma'oste is Wrong|Why the Book is Right and the ma'oste is Wrong]]
***Which of the two cases is normal in human language? If you'd written it in Lojban, I'd know!
**** I'd guess that short-distance is normal, b/c otherwise it would not be worth comparing the two. But of course in lojban we wouldn't have to glork that.
***** Short-distance is indeed normal, but Lojbanists have consistently used long-distance. Nick wrote a peer-reviewed paper on this. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* Example 7.8.5 (p159): bajra on third line should be bajykla, like the others.
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 8, it says "Example 9.3 is a truly pregnant question..." when example 9.2 is the pregnant question, and example 9.3 is a better way of expressing "Who are you?"
* Section 15, it says "Finally, lujvo involving ``zi'o'' are also possible, and are fully discussed in Chapter 12", but nowhere does Chapter 12 mention the word {zi'o}, much less lujvo involving it. This is probably a Chapter 12 erratum.''

== Chapter 8 ==
* In Section 3 the example 3.20 should have {xance} instead of {xanci}, which is definitely a typo. --idontknw
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 8, p. 181: 8.1) ''li pai noi na'e frinu namcu''should be ''li pai noi na'e frinu cu namcu''. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 8, Example 8.6, the third line, "I runningly-go to-this [[reciprocity|reciprocity]] [[x3 of this bridi|x3 of this bridi]] from-that", is not the usual decent English one would expect in that position; replaced with "I run to this from that and vice versa." is dag-cll ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 9, example 9.2 is ''co'o xirma''. Then, ''Note that Example 9.2 says farewell to something which doesn’t really have to be a horse, something that the speaker simply thinks of as being a horse, or even might be something (a person, for example) who is named "Horse". In a sense, Example 9.2 is ambiguous between "co'o le xirma" and "co'o la xirma"''. Is this true?
** Yes, in the sense that all uses of "le" ''might'' mean "la". But it's probably more confusing than it's worth. Truncate after "thinks of as being a horse". --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
*** Not sure that is right. I think too much focus in general has been given to {le}'s "non-veridicality", when it is merely more of an outgrowth of it being a deictic/phoric descriptor. In general, {le nanmu} does refer to a {nanmu}, but sometimes it may not because the deictic/phoric needs supercede veridicality (If someone has been called "the man" but you want to assert that "he"'s actually a woman, well, you get the {le nanmu cu ninmu} example.) My point though, is that I'm not sure one can just say "{le} might actually mean {la}". Certainly it'd be unusual to say that a speaker thinks of someone named "Horse" as being a horse. -- [[User:Spheniscine]]
* Section 9 says ''In vocative phrases which are simple names (after the vocative words), any relative clauses must come just after the names''. This isn't true. Relative clauses can go between the vocative and the cmevla. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]] Drop it; it reflects an earlier state of the language.
* Section 10, example 10.3 uses "ke'a goi ko'e zo'u ko'a zbasu ke'a" but glosses it as "(IT = it2 : it1 built it2)". The assigned "ko'e" is not used as expected or described, and should probably be "ko'a zbasu ko'e". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]] Yes, "ko'a zbasu ko'e" is clearly what's meant. ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''

== Chapter 9 ==
* Section 6, place structure of ''pilno'' is missing "for purpose x3". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 8, the examples 8.5 and 8.6 are supposed to mean the same thing, but do not.
** Please elaborate. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
*** 8.5 means "I gave the book to John, because John gave the money to me" but 8.6 means "John gave the money to me because I gave the book to John."
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL'' [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 11, description of the meaning of ".ije seri'a tu'e" contradicts the explanation of Example 9.9, which would suggest ".ije ri'a tu'e".
* section 17, "pertained to by concerning" should be separated, with "concerning" should be in the last column of the table * section 17 "from source as an origin of" should be two entries; "from source" and "as an origin of" ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL???''

== Chapter 10 ==
* Sections 4, 18: missing "cu" in examples 4.8, 18.3, 18.6
* Section 4, "when both spatial and temporal tense cmavo are given in a single tense construct, the temporal tense is expressed first" disagrees with the rule simple-tense-modal-972 in the BNF grammar.
* Section 9, example 9.9 on page 227 has "cirli" for "cirla".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 12, the explanation of the meaning of the second "pu" in example 12.2 conflicts with the rule in section 13 that tenses in subordinate bridi are relative to the tense of the main bridi.
* Section 12, example 12.6 translates morsi as "die" rather than "am dead" in the translation (as opposed to the gloss).
* Section 16, at the end, the X and Y in the 3 forms don't fit properly (the 3rd doesn't match the first two). I recommend, copying from Section 23 (where they are written again correctly):

X .i TENSE bo Y

TENSE gi X gi Y

Y TENSE le nu X
* Section 17, example 17.12 should not have the second "bevri".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 18, examples 18.3 and 18.6 are missing a cu/ku, so the examples have no main selbri.
* Section 18, example 18.9 is supposed to show scalar negation of tenses not limited to PU and FAhA, but the example tense is ri'u (FAhA2).
* Section 19, example 19.10 should have "ba", not "pu", and "[[uture|uture]]", not "[[past|past]]". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 21, example 21.1 doesn't seem to parallel the English gloss and translation: the Lojban version implies that "I throw the gun", and not "I fire the gun".
* Section 25, examples 25.1 and 25.2 have ''lu'a'' for ''la'u''.
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 25, this whole section is at odds with the formal grammar. It says: ''It is grammatical for a termset to be placed after a tense or modal tag rather than a sumti''. But that is in fact incorrect, it is not grammatical for a termset to be the argument of a tag.
** Unfortunately true. Termsets suck rocks, and some work will have to be done to make everything said about them consistent -- if it is even possible. Personally, I'd like to just burn them. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]] '''NOFIX'''
* Section 27: MOhI see Section 28, not 27. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]

== Chapter 11 ==
* Section 4: The use of ka in Example 4.4 (page 259) is erroneous; it should be du'u. --[[John Cowan|John Cowan]] [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Last paragraph of section 7 references chapter 5 for a discussion of "lu'e". lu'e isn't mentioned in chapter 5. Probably chapter 6 is meant here.
** Yes, should be Section 5.10. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 9, page 266 has "sao'rdzifa'a" instead of "sa'ordzifa'a".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* The same example (9.6) also has kuctra instead of kuctai
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* The book title in example 9.6 seems to be incorrect: "The Crucifixion of Jesus Considered As A Downhill Bicycle Race" is actually "[http://www.evergreenreview.com/102/fiction/duo.html he Crucifixion Considered As An Uphill Bicycle Race]."
** Unapproved
* Section 10: Paragraph above example 10.7 references "Chapter 11". That should read "Chapter 10".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 12, page 269 has examples 13.1 and 13.2, those should be called 12.1 and 12.2. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]

== Chapter 12 ==
* Section 2, page 275. The paragraph under Example 2.3 refers to it as Example 2.4 (2.4 doesn't even exist). [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 5, right after example 5.7. It says "a" instead of "an". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 6, page 280. Example 6.6 should have a space between "la spat." and "noi".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 7, page 282. Example 7.5 has "bansoi" instead of "balsoi".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 11, page 285 has "xascakcurnu" instead of "xasycakcurnu".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 12 refers to "nunklama" as the same lujvo as "nunkla". Even if these are equivalent alternatives it would be less confusing to be consistent.
* Section 12 claims that -jax- is a rafsi for {jai}, but it isn't in http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/rafsi.txt. Does {jai} have a rafsi or not?
** It should, but somehow it never got into the gismu list, and consequently not into the rafsi list either. Stet, and we'll add it to the gismu list. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* Section 12, right at the end, says that {fai} is explained in Chapter 11, but Chapter 11 makes no mention of {fai}. Only chapters 9 and 10 do.
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL'' (zort's fork at least) [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 14, example 14.2. Missing < /pre > tag, and missing < pre> tag following explanatory paragraph.
* Section 14, page 291. The paragraph under example 14.7 says "se xance mindu" instead of "se xance minde".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 15, two paragraphs before example 15.7. It says "There are some comparative concepts which are in which the 'se zmadu' is difficult to specify." The "which are in which" seems grammatically incorrect.
** Drop "which are". --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]] [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 15, example 15.1, the x4 of {zmadu} and {mleca} should be "by amount" or "by quantity", not "in quantity".
* Section 15, page 294, example 15.14. "la ainctain" needs a period before it because it starts with a vowel.
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''

== Chapter 13 ==
* Many incidents of not having periods in front of vowel-initial cmavo.
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* In section 2, p. 300 references to the examples for .ue and .uecu'i are flipped. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 3, page 303, example 3.9. "e'e" needs a period before it.
* Section 3: 3.13: ".ianai do pu pensi le nu tcica mi": {pensi} is malgli and tcica1 is not an agent
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 3, page 303, example 3.10. "tisna" needs to be replaced with "tisygau".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 4, page 305. The scale with the gismu mnemonics is misaligned with the scale with the members of selma'o CAI. "sai" should be tabbed one place left, so that it aligns with tsali, &c.
* Section 7, it says "It is not clear how much use logically connected abstractors will be: see Chapter 13." It should be "Chapter 15."
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL'' (zort's fork at least) but needs approval
* Section 10, page 313. There is a missing space between "continue emotion" and "end emotion".
* <nowiki>Section 15. A sample dialogue 15.4) / [Comment] Pam says, [Please] Alice, [end-of-comment] / [Comment] Pam says, [end-of-comment] [Please] Alice,/</nowiki> [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 15, example 15.5 /xamgu/gleki/ ?
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 15, example 15.10) /fi'i ro zvati ko pinxe pa ckafi/fi'i ro zvati .i ko pinxe pa ckafi/
** No, this one is perfectly fine: "fi'i ro zvati" is a vocative phrase, which is a free modifier, meaning that it can occur almost anywhere. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 15, example 15.13) /fi'o selpleji mi/fi'o pleji mi/
** And "with payer" rather than "with payment"; ey's not paying with emself! -- camgusmis
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* ".ai mi benji do le ckana" with gloss "[intent] I transfer you to-the bed". I think benji               should be replaced with muvgau.
* Section 15, example 15.13. Wrong use of {selfu}. {bevri} would fit better.
* "mi facki fi lemi mapku" is used repeatedly for "I found my hat". While this is not wrong, it's bad style and makes the gloss awkward in respect to the translation. Replacing "facki" with "zvafa'i" would remove the problem and make it more precise.

== Chapter 14 ==
* Section 6, example 3: "Alices" should be "Alice" without -s.
* Section 8, right before example 8.9 is "producing example 8.10" which should in fact read "producing example 8.9". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 9: between example 9.10 and 9.11, "identified" should read "identical"
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 11, example 4: The gloss seems to have a misplaced "[plus]".
* Section 11, right before section 12. It says "termsets...are explained in Chapter 12 and Chapter 16" but chapter 12 (which is on lujvo) makes absolutely no mention of termsets. Chapters 9 and 10 discuss termsets. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 14, example 14.15 is not grammatical (according to jbofi'e and camxes) because it says "pe'e .e" when it should say "pe'e je". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 14, example 14.16 mentions "sorme", which is probably Old Loglan, and should be replaced by "mensi".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 14, "the stated gloss of TFTTas “only if” works naturally only when the right-hand bridi is true; if it is false, the left-hand bridi may be either true or false." changed to "the stated gloss of TFTTas “only if” works naturally only when the right-hand bridi is false; if it is true, the left-hand bridi may be either true or false."
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 15, example 15.8 is missing a dot after "la lojban".
* Section 15, right after 15.9, it says "example 14.17" where it should say "example 15.9" (14.17 does not exist). [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 15, example 15.9 is not grammatical; it should be "la djan. fa'u la frank. cusku nu'i bau la lojban. pe'e fa'u bai la djordj.".
* Section 17, example 17.4 is wrong. The section explains that mekso operators can be logically connected using {gu'e ... gi ...}, but this example tries to connect them with {ge ... gi ...}. Replace {ge} with {gu'e} in the example to correct it.
* Section 19, example 19.4 is translated as "I opine the fact-that a-mass-of living-things is-at Jupiter or-else I opine the fact-that a-mass-of living-things isn't-at Jupiter" but really it's "I opine the fact-that a-mass-of living-things is-at Jupiter or-else I '''do-not''' opine the fact-that a-mass-of living-things '''is-at''' Jupiter". So 19.4 is actually true, not false as it is claimed to be.
** Correct, so this example will need replacing. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Also there isn't really a reason for it to say a mass of living things and not some individual living things.
** Stet. The author prefers it that way, thankyouverymuch. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]].

== Chapter 15 ==
* Section 2, missing < /pre > tag after example 2.8 and < pre> tag before example 2.9.
* Section 4, example 4.12 /nake/na'eke/
* Section 9, two paragraphs above example 9.4 the word "negativ" should be "negative". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 9: Is there supposed to be any difference between ex. 9.5 and 9.6?
** That problem is only in the online version.
* Section 10, three paragraphs after example 10.14, there's a semicolon which should be a comma after "(say, a spelling error)". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 10, it says "'ji'una'iku' metalinguistically says that something is wrong with that assumption. (See Chapter 10.)". Shouldn't that be Chapter 9, modals?
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL'' (zort's fork at least) [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]\
* change "A ``na'' before the selbri is always transformed into a ``naku'' at the left-hand end of the prenex, and vice versa." to: "A ``na'' before the selbri is always transformed into a ``naku'' at the right-hand end of the prenex, and vice versa."

== Chapter 16 ==
* Section 5, example 5.5: English has "every Y" when it should read "every X"
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 6, example 6.6 has a missing "cu" before "viska".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 8, the explanation of example 8.3 says "any entity which is one is also the other". That would be true if the example used {go}, but it uses {ganai}. 8.3 does not claim that if something walks across the field then it goes to the store. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]] Change it to use {go}. ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
** Same place: needs to bo {da go}, not {go da} And the gloss should be "For-every X: X is-a-goer-to the store if-and-only-if it is-a-walker-on the field." ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 8, example 8.3. Either the {da} should come before the {ganai} (or, by the previous ^ erratum, {go}) and the gloss should be changed to only mention "X" once, or a {da} should be inserted before {cadzu}.
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL'' chose first option since it's terser (zort's fork at least) but needs approval
* This: "Adjacent negation boundaries in the prenex can be dropped," reads better as "Adjacent pairs of negation boundaries in the prenex can be dropped,"
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
*** The online version says "Adjacent double negation boundaries", but I'm okay with either "double" or "pairs of". --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* Section 10, ex. 10.5 and 10.6 have a prenex, "naku zo'u", after an ijek. This is not allowed by the grammar. It could be fixed by removing the "zo'u" and using "naku" outside the prenex, although this is only explained in the following Section 11.
** This is a big problem, and I'm not sure what should be fixed. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]] '''NOFIX'''
* Section 12, ex. 12.7 and 12.9 have missing "cu"s.
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 14, Example 14.1 has "blaci" (glass) not "blabi" (white) as per the English.
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* A few missing {ku'o}: ex 1.89, ex 1.92

== Chapter 17 ==
* Section 5, after example 5.1, paragraph starting "However, " has incorrect font. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 5, in the second paragraph after example 5.1, says 'the lerfu word “ty” would represent not Latin “t” but Greek “tau”.' Shouldn't it be "ty."?
* Section 9, page 421. lerfu strings are written without pauses or spaces, even though BY words have to end with a consonant.
** Stet. BY words do not end with a consonant, and a string of them can never be ambiguous, so pauses/spaces are not required. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* Section 9, Example 9.4: shouldn't "symyjy" be "symydy" (lojban morphology)? [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 10. After Example 10.4.5, the reference to Example 10.4 should be instead to Example 10.4.5.
**In the current DAG-CLL, the examples numbering is sane, but after Example 10.3, the two references to Example 10.4 should be to Example 10.3.
* Right before section 12, there is a line break in the middle of the paragraph. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* In section 13, the first paragraph states "Historically, these character sets have only covered the English alphabet and a few selected punctuation marks.", which is incorrect. There have been multitudes of character sets for writing systems other than the English alphabet.
** Change to something along the line of "Historically, each of these character sets has only covered a particular writing system."
* Section 17, page 427. ".tvriydos. bu" begins with the consonant cluster, which isn't even permissible medially.
** change to tyvriydos
*** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
**** Actually, it should be "tyvrdos. bu" --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* In the table in section 19, the lervla for over-dot (".garmoc. bu") and over-ring (".garjin. bu") should be updated to their post-Reallocation forms, ".gapmoc. bu" and ".gapyjin. bu".
*** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 19 has two columns run together in the row that says "Danish/Latin aetei .abu .ebu foi"

== Chapter 18 ==
* [https://lojban.github.io/cll/18/10/ ju'u] is in VUhU. It should be of the type PA. Notice how {pi} and {ni'u} and {ka'o} and {ci'i} and {fi'u} are all of type {pa}, so they can go in a numerical literal between digits. especially {ka'o}, which can separate the real part and imaginary part to make a complex literal, and similarly {su'o} and {su'e} can separate numbers to make intervals.
* Section 3, ex. 3.10, should translate as ".1012001". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* In section 4 example 4.5 is linked instead of 4.7 - "Example 4.5 is not ``1 minus 2'', [[.. ..|.. ..]]" where example 4.5 is just "te'o". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]''
* Section 5, p437 ex5.9 gloss: our -> four [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 6, p438: j vu'u -> vu'u [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Start of section 11 should read there are five members of MOI (not four). [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* In section 11, ex 11.10 on va'e "sofi'upano" in the example is glossed as "8/10" instead of "9/10". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* In section 11, "lei ratcu poi zvati le panka cu so'umei fo lo'i ratcu", but there is no 4th place of mei.
** Remove the "fo"; [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Example 14.4 needs a sub-2 after both numbers.
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* In section 17, example 17.5, {gi} should be replaced by {gu'e}, because mekso operators are to be connected by guheks. This is essentially the same mistake as in example 14/17.4.
* In section 17, the English translation for example 17.6 has the formula rendered wrong in the HTML version. The fraction bar should be added (it is invisble currently), and the words "then x =" should be vertically aligned to the fraction bar (they are currently aligned to the numerator).
* In section 17, at the bottom of page 454, the quadratic formula should be described as a classic example of operator logical connection, not operand. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* In section 17, 17.7 (li no ga'o bi'o ke'i pa) is *not* equivalent to 17.9 (li pimu su'i ni'upimu bi'o ma'upimu). I (rlpowell) have replaced bi'o with "bi'o ke'i" in the latter. NOT APPROVED but ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* In section 17, the Lojban of 17.8 (li pimu ga'o mi'i ke'i pimu) is not equivalent to 0.5 ± 0.5, regardless of how the latter is interpreted; I (rlpowell) have removed that English equivalency. NOT APPROVED but ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''

* Section 20, p458: -established -> established [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 21 states that the rafsi of "frinu" may be used as rafsi for "fi'u"; however, "frinu" lost both of its short rafsi in the Reallocation, so this really isn't very useful. The table below lists "fi'u" as a rafsi usable for "fi'u", therefore of "frinu"; the gimste lists "fi'u" as a rafsi of "cfipu".
** This is a serious problem which needs some thought. There needs to be a rafsi for fi'u somehow. --[[User:John Cowan|John Cowan]] '''NOFIX'''
** simply use the long rafsi [[User:Gleki|mu'o mi'e La Gleki]] ([[User talk:Gleki|talk]]) 11:49, 25 September 2015 (PDT)
* Section 21 "“se” can be used to convert an operator as if it were a selbri, so that its arguments are exchanged." is a false statement. {{jvs|se}} converts tanru-unit-2, not selbri. Anyway, just say "“se” is also used to exchange arguments of an operator". [[User:Gleki|mu'o mi'e La Gleki]] ([[User talk:Gleki|talk]]) 11:49, 25 September 2015 (PDT)
* Section 22 example 22.3, "mo'e voboi renomei su'i ze", does not parse.
** It needs "vei" in front to be a quantifier (an operand by itself is not a permitted fragment). Also, the following text mentions "te'u" but the example omits it.
*** None of those examples parse without {li}, which I have added to all. Replaced the one in question with "li mo'e voboi renomei te'u su'i ze" [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 25. The rafsi for "so'e", -sop-, is missing, the rafsi for the following four words are listed under the wrong word. That is, -sor- is actually the rafsi for "so'i", and -daz- is the rafsi for "da'a".

== Chapter 19 ==
* Section 4, p467 ex4.3: zu'o -> zo'u [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 6, page 472. Example 6.6 ends with "klama", but for the argument to make sense, it has to say "nunkla".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section 7, Example 7.1 has as the English: "I go-to (firstly) the store and (secondly) the market." "the market" should be "the house".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Example 11.8, there's a denpabu after {za'e} and no denpabu after {albeinias}.
** ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL'' (zort's fork at least) but needs approval
* Section 11, the paragraph after example 11.8 says "ctiipyris" but it should be "ckiipyris". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* Section 13, "and the undefined fu'ivla “speranto”." Replace "fu'ivla" with "lujvo".

== Chapter 20 ==
* Section LE, page 498. In "le gerku klama le zdani", "cu" is missing.
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section TUhE, page 505. In "xagmau zo'u tu'e ganai cidja gi cnino .i ganai vanju gi tolci'o tu'u", "cnino" should be replaced by "citno". Also, a prenex can't have a selbri, so ''xagmau'' should be replaced by ''lo xagmau''.
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* Section SE, page 504: missing "cu" after "zarci".
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL''
* In the passages on VEI and VEhO, the "bo"s should be changed to "bi'e"s. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]

== Chapter 21 ==
* In the BNF grammar, the rule simple-tense-modal-972 is missing a "|" before the CUhE. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* In the BNF grammar, the rule simple-tense-modal-972 has an extra newline in the space/time subphrase.
* In the BNF grammar, the rule selbri-1-131 is missing a "|" before the NA. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* In the BNF grammar, the rule tanru-unit-2-152 is missing a "|" before the JAI. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
** [[Approved Erratum|camgusmis: Approved]] ''INCLUDED IN DAG-CLL'' ; bizarelly, the Word doc the book was printed from does not have this problem at all.
* In the BNF grammar, the rule operator-1-371 is missing two "|". [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* In the BNF grammar, the rule mex-operator-374 is missing a "|" before the MAhO and another before the VUhU. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* In the BNF grammar, the rule operand-3-385 is missing a "|" before the NIhE. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]
* In the BNF grammar, in the rule time_1030, the "ZEhA <nowiki>[</nowiki>PU NAI <nowiki>]</nowiki>" should be enclosed in parentheses. [[Approved Erratum|John Cowan: Approved]]

BPFK members

2015-11-17T20:02:27Z

Selpahi: jmina la mezohe

== Current members ==
On March 16, 2015, [[selpa'i]] was elected by the 2014 LLG Annual Meeting of the membership to chair the [[BPFK Reauthorization|reauthorized BPFK]]. The following members were appointed by LLG on March 22, 2015:
* [[BPFK Member: Pierre Abbat|Pierre Abbat]]
* Arkadii Balandin
* Alex Burka
* Sylvain Déjardin
* [[BPFK Member: Jorge Llambias|Jorge Llambias]] (xorxes)
* Adam D. Lopresto
* [[BPFK Member: And Rosta|And Rosta]]
* Mitsuko Wate
* la mezohe (Joined November 17, 2015)

== Former Members and Observers ==
* [[John Clifford]] (pycyn)
* [[BPFK Member: John Cowan|John Cowan]]
* Craig Daniel (kreig)
* [[BPFK Member: Jordan de Long|Jordan de Long]]
* Greg Dyke
* Lindar Greenwood (lindar)
* [[BPFK Member: Charles Hope|Charles Hope]] (xod)
* [[BPFK Member: Arnt Johansen|Arnt Johansen]] (tsali)
* [[Jay Kominek]] (djez)
* [[Bob LeChevalier|Bob LeChevalier]] (lojbab)
* [[BPFK Member: Nora LeChevalier|Nora LeChevalier]] (noras)
* [[Philip Newton]] (filip)
* [[BPFK Member: Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]] (nitcion)
* [[BPFK Member: Robin Lee Powell|Robin Powell]] (camgusmis)
* [[Adam Raizen]]
* [[BPFK Member: Theodore Alexander Reed|Theodore Alexander Reed]] (treed, bancus, rizen)
* [[Mark Shoulson]]
* [[BPFK Member: Rob Speer|Rob Speer]]
* Lionel Vidal

BPFK To-Do

2015-11-13T16:03:52Z

Selpahi: /* Unsorted issues */

Dei zo'u ra'u ge no'e se ganzu gi liste lo poi'i kanpe lo du'u li'ai BPFK ca su'o balvi cu ei se cuntu ke'a. I e'e do jmina fi ku.
==Ni'o lo cmeta==
*I mi'e [[la gleki|la Gleki]]:
**I dei noi papri cu kalsa.
**I ei gau ku lo nu casnu do'e lo drata me BPFK papri co'a pagbu.

*[[BPFK_Procedures#Voting|I ei platu gi'e cazgau su'o cnino poi cmicu'a ciste.]]
* I ro la'o gy [[Issues with checkpointed BPFK sections]] gy zo'u: ei lanli gi'e dafyfa'i.
* I mi'e [[User:Robin Lee Powell|la .Camgusmis.]]:
** I ei ca su'o balvi BPFK zanru lo nu stika pe [[CLL, aka Reference Grammar, Errata|lo cfiste be la Xuncku]]. I ki'u bo la Xuncku cu jai cuntu lo gafyfantymanri.
* I mi'e [[User:Robin Lee Powell|la .Camgusmis.]]:
**I glico gloso zo "xagri" fa zo'oi "reed" xoi spaji nu bebna. I ei basti fa zoi gy "reed instrument" gy ja zo'oi "woodwind" ja lo simsa.
*I mi'e la [[User:xorxes|.Xorxes.]]:
** Ei pensi gi'e jdice da vau lo se stidi poi se skicu do'e la [[zasni gerna cenba vreji|Zasni Gerna Cenba Vreji]].

==Ni'o lo gerna srana poi ei jai se jdice==
I
* lu {dunda ti mi} li'u jo'u lo si'o za'e .opservative
* lu {mi broda fa do} li'u
* lu {fi do vecnu ti} li'u
* lu {do dunda be ti mi} li'u
* lu {lo nu brode ba brodo} li'u
* lu {jai frili fai ma} li'u

==Ni'o lo srana be lo vlaste==
* I ei lo gimste zo'u xagzengau tu'a lo valsi se cuxna pe lo velcki gi'e va'o zengau lo sranysi'u lo ka manfo. I ei zukte tu'a lo gismu cfiste.
** (to sa'a lo gismu cfiste ma zvati mi'e [[User:Cirko|la Cirko]] toi)
*** [[https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Section:_gismu_Issues Gismu Issues]] jo'u [[https://mw.lojban.org/papri/gismu_list_errata Gismu list errata]]
* I ei ro lo cmavo cu se vlavelcki su'o uenzi be lo lojbo
* I ei ro lo cipra gismu zo'u jdice lo du'u xu kau co'a catni se zanru
* I ei ro lo cnino cmavo se stidi zo'u jdice lo du'u xu kau inda tu'a su'o ca'irselzau tarmi

==Ni'o lo srana be lo sumti klesi==
* I ei casnu lo si'o sumti klesi. I mu'a lo si'o mo'e ce'u da ka'e sumti ce'u noi zilkai.
* I ei ciksi tu'a lo te sumti lu'u poi mo'a va'e lo ka se ciksi je pe mu'u lo re moi pe zo "skari".
==Ni'o lo srana be lo te sumti stura==
* I lo du'u lo bridi je lo zilkai vu'o poi lu'e ke'a se pagbu zo "kau" cu turbaro ma kau
* I so'i gismu zo'u lo sumti poi se zvati su'o lo drata sumti zo'u simlu co mulno co srana be na bei lo smuni. I ei pei gau co'u sumti?
* I ei jdice lo du'u ma kau smuni zoi gy "by standard" gy pe lo gismu vlavelcki
==Predicate interactions issues==
Includes sumtcita (since they are compressed predicates)
* Formalize fi'o and BAI. Currently they are all broken and terrible. Some BAI might need to be killed or heavily redefined to make sense / be useful. for fi'o there are two options... there are infinitely many predicates, so it's simply not possible to define interaction of fi'o with every predicate seperately. therefore i propose to use a single formula that works for all fi'o clauses. BAI can be considered special in that they are more precisely defined and don't need this general solution. (bau = fi'o se baupli). this means that the fi'o transformation of tags is but an approximation, not a full equivalence. co'e only word that is general enough
==Mekso issues==
* Improve the BPFK definition for {ji'i} (see [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/XXO1L7zKGQE/VpgQ9JUfHBMJ this related discussion])
* Deciding upon the meaning of {ni}, and how to express amounts (zenba2, barda2, cnano2…)
* – sei [[User:Spheniscine|la Zipcpi]] do'e lo CLL cfiste cu cusku – ju'u is in VUhU. It should be of the type PA. Notice how {pi} and {ni'u} and {ka'o} and {ci'i} and {fi'u} are all of type {pa}, so they can go in a numerical literal between digits. especially {ka'o}, which can separate the real part and imaginary part to make a complex literal, and similarly {su'o} and {su'e} can separate numbers to make intervals.
* I ei lanli lo ro mekso nu sampygau kei gi'e jdice lo du'u ma kau noi gunma cu ro pa mei lo prane [https://github.com/guskant/gerna_cipra/blob/master/zantufa-1.9999.js.peg#L290] [https://github.com/Ilmen-vodhr/ilmentufa/blob/master/camxes-exp.js.peg#L346]

==Unsorted issues==
* Formalize the tense system (?)
* CAhA as sumtcita
* scope weirdness in [[BPFK Section: Aspect|ZAhO definitions]] ("broda ba'o lo nu brode ~= ba'o broda ca lo nu brode"??)
* subjunctivity formalization
* position ne inner rel is outer with LE, but inner (part of name) with LA. is this desirable? (what if LE-LA merge goes through, still desirable?)
* scope of NA
* scope of ko, UI, ma
* tu'a lo jei lu na'e gerku li'u smudra va'o lo nu lu to'e gerku li'u na smudra cu .e'u poi'i jdice ke'a gi'a jai gau zilzena fai lo ni ke'a jmifrili
* na'e ko'a
* make the PEG the official grammar.
* add uy and iy as BY
* add a new FAhA that means "along a path". I suggest {pu'a} from {pluta} (ditch the {pluka} BAI). {mi cadzu pu'a lo rirxe}. {pu'a} has almost no usage (8 times and only on IRC)
** [[la gleki]]:
*** it's {{jvs|vi'i}}
* define {lo >1 da} with unbound da
* discuss the jvojva
* Have a discussion about the status of dialects.
* Xu zo zo'e ka'e sinxa lo na'e konstanta? I mu'a lu "Mi na citka" li'u zo'u: xu ei da se pensi gi'e poi'i xusra lo du'u na citka ke'a? I ji ka'e smuni fa lo du'u lo cusku cu citka no da?
** I ji'a zo zi'o zo'u: ei pei ri se smuni su'o satcymau? I lo nu da'i ge lo CLL smuni gi lo cnino cu poi'i jinvi lo du'u ke'a inda lo ka se valsi zo'u: zo zi'i za'o na se smudu'a.
* Discuss logical connection of sentences with different illocutionay force

{{irci|xorxes|This reminds me that, if I recall correctly, we had different views when working on Xorban on whether it makes sense for two sentences with different illocutionary force to be logically connected. For me logical connection only applies to bare propositions, and not to propositions-in-use.}}
{{irci|And|My palpably deteriorating memory isn't pinging, so even if you recall correctly, I still don't. I do think that illocutionary operators can themselves be arguments of predicates (e.g. "Is it dinner time yet, for I'm hungry") tho, and since I take logical connectives to be predicates it follows that in principle I must allow illocutionary operators to be logically connected. I'm not sure how this bears on the current discussion, tho.}}
{{irci|xorxes|Yes, that was a good example. My view was that the underlying logic for that is:

# I (hereby) ask whether it is dinner time yet.
# The reason for my asking whether it is dinner time yet is that I am hungry.

1 and 2 are different propositions, but 2 happens to contain 1. Since both illocutionary acts make use of the same proposition, it is convenient to utter the sentence expressing that proposition only once, but that doesn't make the first illocutionary act (as opposed to just its propositional content) an argument of the predicate used in the second act.}}

* «lu jai nandu fai lo ka broda li'u» zo'u xu lo nu pilno zo se cu sarcu .i «lu fai lo ka broda li'u» ji «lu fai lo ka se broda li'u» drani
* zo vo'a zo'u ma smuni «lu mi .e do djica lo nu vo'a klama li'u»

Review change proposals
* [http://selpahi.weebly.com/lojban/how-to-substantially-simplify-the-lojban-connective-system-my-connective-system Simplified connectives]
* [http://mw.lojban.org/papri/new_soi soi]
* [http://mw.lojban.org/papri/new_voi voi]
* abolition of rafsi assignments [http://selpahi.weebly.com/lojban/how-to-get-rid-of-formal-rafsi]
* cmevla-brivla merge

BPFK To-Do

2015-11-08T15:58:33Z

Selpahi: /* Ni'o lo srana be lo vlaste */

Dei zo'u ra'u ge no'e se ganzu gi liste lo poi'i kanpe lo du'u li'ai BPFK ca su'o balvi cu ei se cuntu ke'a. I e'e do jmina fi ku.
==Ni'o lo cmeta==
*I mi'e [[la gleki|la Gleki]]:
**I dei noi papri cu kalsa.
**I ei gau ku lo nu casnu do'e lo drata me BPFK papri co'a pagbu.

*[[BPFK_Procedures#Voting|I ei platu gi'e cazgau su'o cnino poi cmicu'a ciste.]]
* I ro la'o gy [[Issues with checkpointed BPFK sections]] gy zo'u: ei lanli gi'e dafyfa'i.
* I mi'e [[User:Robin Lee Powell|la .Camgusmis.]]:
** I ei ca su'o balvi BPFK zanru lo nu stika pe [[CLL, aka Reference Grammar, Errata|lo cfiste be la Xuncku]]. I ki'u bo la Xuncku cu jai cuntu lo gafyfantymanri.
* I mi'e [[User:Robin Lee Powell|la .Camgusmis.]]:
**I glico gloso zo "xagri" fa zo'oi "reed" xoi spaji nu bebna. I ei basti fa zoi gy "reed instrument" gy ja zo'oi "woodwind" ja lo simsa.
*I mi'e la [[User:xorxes|.Xorxes.]]:
** Ei pensi gi'e jdice da vau lo se stidi poi se skicu do'e la [[zasni gerna cenba vreji|Zasni Gerna Cenba Vreji]].

==Ni'o lo gerna srana poi ei jai se jdice==
I
* lu {ti citka be mi} li'u
* lu {lo nu brode ba brodo} li'u
* lu {fi do vecnu ti} li'u
* lu {jai frili fai ma} li'u
* lu {mi broda fa do} li'u

==Ni'o lo srana be lo vlaste==
* I ei lo gimste zo'u xagzengau tu'a lo valsi se cuxna pe lo velcki gi'e va'o zengau lo sranysi'u lo ka manfo. I ei zukte tu'a lo gismu cfiste.
** (to sa'a lo gismu cfiste ma zvati mi'e [[User:Cirko|la Cirko]] toi)
*** [[https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Section:_gismu_Issues Gismu Issues]] jo'u [[https://mw.lojban.org/papri/gismu_list_errata Gismu list errata]]
* I ei ro lo cmavo cu se vlavelcki su'o uenzi be lo lojbo
* I ei ro lo cipra gismu zo'u jdice lo du'u xu kau co'a catni se zanru
* I ei ro lo cnino cmavo se stidi zo'u jdice lo du'u xu kau inda tu'a su'o ca'irselzau tarmi

==Ni'o lo srana be lo sumti klesi==
* I ei casnu lo si'o sumti klesi. I mu'a lo si'o mo'e ce'u da ka'e sumti ce'u noi zilkai.
* I ei ciksi tu'a lo te sumti lu'u poi mo'a va'e lo ka se ciksi je pe mu'u lo re moi pe zo "skari".
==Ni'o lo srana be lo te sumti stura==
* I lo du'u lo bridi je lo zilkai vu'o poi lu'e ke'a se pagbu zo "kau" cu turbaro ma kau
* I so'i gismu zo'u lo sumti poi se zvati su'o lo drata sumti zo'u simlu co mulno co srana be na bei lo smuni. I ei pei gau co'u sumti?
* I ei jdice lo du'u ma kau smuni zoi gy "by standard" gy pe lo gismu vlavelcki
==Predicate interactions issues==
Includes sumtcita (since they are compressed predicates)
* Formalize fi'o and BAI. Currently they are all broken and terrible. Some BAI might need to be killed or heavily redefined to make sense / be useful. for fi'o there are two options... there are infinitely many predicates, so it's simply not possible to define interaction of fi'o with every predicate seperately. therefore i propose to use a single formula that works for all fi'o clauses. BAI can be considered special in that they are more precisely defined and don't need this general solution. (bau = fi'o se baupli). this means that the fi'o transformation of tags is but an approximation, not a full equivalence. co'e only word that is general enough
==Mekso issues==
* Improve the BPFK definition for {ji'i} (see [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/XXO1L7zKGQE/VpgQ9JUfHBMJ this related discussion])
* Deciding upon the meaning of {ni}, and how to express amounts (zenba2, barda2, cnano2…)
* – sei [[User:Spheniscine|la Zipcpi]] do'e lo CLL cfiste cu cusku – ju'u is in VUhU. It should be of the type PA. Notice how {pi} and {ni'u} and {ka'o} and {ci'i} and {fi'u} are all of type {pa}, so they can go in a numerical literal between digits. especially {ka'o}, which can separate the real part and imaginary part to make a complex literal, and similarly {su'o} and {su'e} can separate numbers to make intervals.
* I ei lanli lo ro mekso nu sampygau kei gi'e jdice lo du'u ma kau noi gunma cu ro pa mei lo prane [https://github.com/guskant/gerna_cipra/blob/master/zantufa-1.9999.js.peg#L290] [https://github.com/Ilmen-vodhr/ilmentufa/blob/master/camxes-exp.js.peg#L346]

==Unsorted issues==
* Formalize the tense system (?)
* CAhA as sumtcita
* scope weirdness in [[BPFK Section: Aspect|ZAhO definitions]] ("broda ba'o lo nu brode ~= ba'o broda ca lo nu brode"??)
* subjunctivity formalization
* position ne inner rel is outer with LE, but inner (part of name) with LA. is this desirable? (what if LE-LA merge goes through, still desirable?)
* scope of NA
* scope of ko, UI, ma
* tu'a lo jei lu na'e gerku li'u smudra va'o lo nu lu to'e gerku li'u na smudra cu .e'u poi'i jdice ke'a gi'a jai gau zilzena fai lo ni ke'a jmifrili
* na'e ko'a
* make the PEG the official grammar.
* add uy and iy as BY
* add a new FAhA that means "along a path". I suggest {pu'a} from {pluta} (ditch the {pluka} BAI). {mi cadzu pu'a lo rirxe}. {pu'a} has almost no usage (8 times and only on IRC)
** [[la gleki]]:
*** it's {{jvs|vi'i}}
* define {lo >1 da} with unbound da
* discuss the jvojva
* Have a discussion about the status of dialects.
* Xu zo zo'e ka'e sinxa lo na'e konstanta? I mu'a lu "Mi na citka" li'u zo'u: xu ei da se pensi gi'e poi'i xusra lo du'u na citka ke'a? I ji ka'e smuni fa lo du'u lo cusku cu citka no da?
** I ji'a zo zi'o zo'u: ei pei ri se smuni su'o satcymau? I lo nu da'i ge lo CLL smuni gi lo cnino cu poi'i jinvi lo du'u ke'a inda lo ka se valsi zo'u: zo zi'i za'o na se smudu'a.
* Discuss logical connection of sentences with different illocutionay force

{{irci|xorxes|This reminds me that, if I recall correctly, we had different views when working on Xorban on whether it makes sense for two sentences with different illocutionary force to be logically connected. For me logical connection only applies to bare propositions, and not to propositions-in-use.}}
{{irci|And|My palpably deteriorating memory isn't pinging, so even if you recall correctly, I still don't. I do think that illocutionary operators can themselves be arguments of predicates (e.g. "Is it dinner time yet, for I'm hungry") tho, and since I take logical connectives to be predicates it follows that in principle I must allow illocutionary operators to be logically connected. I'm not sure how this bears on the current discussion, tho.}}
{{irci|xorxes|Yes, that was a good example. My view was that the underlying logic for that is:

# I (hereby) ask whether it is dinner time yet.
# The reason for my asking whether it is dinner time yet is that I am hungry.

1 and 2 are different propositions, but 2 happens to contain 1. Since both illocutionary acts make use of the same proposition, it is convenient to utter the sentence expressing that proposition only once, but that doesn't make the first illocutionary act (as opposed to just its propositional content) an argument of the predicate used in the second act.}}

* lu jai nandu fai lo ka broda li'u zo'u xu lo nu pilno zo se cu sarcu .i lu fai lo ka broda li'u ji lu fai lo ka se broda li'u drani

Review change proposals
* [http://selpahi.weebly.com/lojban/how-to-substantially-simplify-the-lojban-connective-system-my-connective-system Simplified connectives]
* [http://mw.lojban.org/papri/new_soi soi]
* [http://mw.lojban.org/papri/new_voi voi]
* abolition of rafsi assignments [http://selpahi.weebly.com/lojban/how-to-get-rid-of-formal-rafsi]
* cmevla-brivla merge

zi'o

2015-11-07T15:05:24Z

Selpahi: Created page with "'''zi'o''' removes a place from a selbri's place structure. In doing so, whatever that place contributed to the selbri's meaning becomes irrelevant. For example, a '''klama fi..."

'''zi'o''' removes a place from a selbri's place structure. In doing so, whatever that place contributed to the selbri's meaning becomes irrelevant. For example, a '''klama fi zi'o''' goes somewhere, whether or not there is an origin (a '''te klama'''). '''klama fi zi'o''' describes a relation of going in which the concept of an origin is irrelevant.

When there is no value that could satisfy a given place (i.e. '''no da broda'''), the corresponding sentence with '''zi'o''' can still be true (i.e. '''zi'o broda'''). '''mi broda no da''' neither entails nor contradicts '''mi broda zi'o''':

{{mu|mi zukte lo ka plipe kei no da|"I don't jump with any goal."}}

But do I jump? I might! The following follow-up doesn't contradict the previous statement:

{{mu|.i ku'i mi ja'a zukte lo ka plipe kei zi'o|"But I do jump."}}

Or:

{{mu|mi zukte lo ka vofli kei no da|"I do not fly with any goal."}}

But do I fly?

{{mu|.i ji'a mi na zukte lo ka vofli kei zi'o|"Also, I'm not flying, period."}}

Whenever something '''broda su'o da''', it also '''broda zi'o''':

{{mu|do sanga su'o da .i ja'o do sanga zi'o|"You are singing something. Therefore, you are singing."}}

For practical purposes, ''zi'o''' can be used to emphasize that no particular thing(s) are required to fill a certain place as an explicit '''zi'o''' prevents the place to be contextually filled by '''zo'e''':

{{mu|.au mi tavla do zi'o|"I just want to talk to you [about nothing in particular]." "I just want to talk to you [whether or not there's a topic]."}}

la su'o da

2015-11-06T20:23:22Z

Selpahi: Created page with "In certain circles the term '''la su'o da''' (''"Someone"'') has become a well-known phrase. {{irci|akmnlrse|There's this meme going around here that all the work in Lojbandi..."

In certain circles the term '''la su'o da''' (''"Someone"'') has become a well-known phrase.

{{irci|akmnlrse|There's this meme going around here that all the work in Lojbandia is done by some sort of god named ''Someone'' since people keep on saying "someone should do this".}}

Indeed, '''la su'o da''' most often appears in sentences beginning with '''.ei''', like this one:

{{mu|.ei la su'o da ba cikre|"Someone should fix this."}}

or really anytime someone wishes to exclude themselves from a pool of potentially responsible people; '''la su'o da''' carries an undertone of ''"someone (but not me!) should do this, and I'm just going to wait until it happens"'' (aka let someone else do the work).

[[Category:Idiomatic Expressions]]

A simple overview of pluralist Lojban

2015-10-27T21:09:18Z

Selpahi:

This page provides a simple overview of what Lojban would be like if all quantifiers were plural. ''None'' of the sentences below work under singular quantification; they would have to be (sometimes heavily) rephrased in standard Lojban, and/or have to use '''su'oi''' instead of '''su'o''' and '''ro'oi''' instead of '''ro'''. Keep this in mind when reading the examples.

=The two basic quantifiers ∃ and ∀=

There are two basic quantifiers that form the basis of the logic: the existential quantifier ∃ (expressed by '''su'o''') and the universal quantifier ∀ (expressed by '''ro'''). These quantifiers are plural, meaning that the quantified statement can be satisfied by more than one thing at a time. Plural quantifiers can achieve things that singular quantifiers can't. Consider, for instance, the verb ''"to gather"'':

{{lm|||"Some Lojbanists are gathering at jbonunsla."}}

This statement would not work with a singular existential quantifier, as no single Lojbanist is gathering at jbonunsla. With a plural quantifier, however, there is no problem.

While a singular existential quantifier reads something like ''"There is some <math>x</math> such that [it] ..."'', a plural existential quantifier reads like ''"There are some <math>x</math> such that [they]..."''. I choose to write plural variables as doubled letters, like <math>xx</math>, <math>yy</math>, <math>zz</math> to distinguish them more clearly from singular variables.

{{lm|(1) su'o jbopre cu jmaji la jbonunsla|<math>[\exists xx : jbopre(xx)] \: jmaji(xx)</math>|"Some Lojbanists are gathering at jbonunsla."}}

The universal quantifier <math>\forall</math> is the dual of the existential <math>\exists</math>, meaning that <math>\forall</math> is equivalent to <math>\lnot \exists \lnot</math>. Sentence (1) is equivalent to sentence (2) below:

{{lm|(2) na ku ro jbopre na jmaji la jbonunsla|<math>\lnot [\forall xx : jbopre(xx)] \: \lnot jmaji(xx)</math>|"It's not the case that all Lojbanists are not gathering at jbonunsla."}}

Similarly, (3) and (4) are equivalent:

{{lm|(3) ro jbopre poi ke'a tavlysi'u cu co'a pendysi'u|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx) \land tavlysihu(xx)] \: pendysihu(xx)</math>|"All Lojbanists that talk to each other become friends."}}

{{lm|(4) na ku su'o jbopre poi ke'a tavlysi'u na co'a pendysi'u|<math>\lnot [\exists xx : jbopre(xx) \land tavlysihu(xx)] \: \lnot pendysihu(xx)</math>|"It's not the case that some Lojbanists that talk to each other do not become friends."}}

=Numerical Statements=

{{lm|||"3 hungry Lojbanists surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

A numerical statement is one that contains a bare numerical quantifier, like ''"3 Lojbanists"'', or ''"5 cows"''. Using singular logic the above sentence would be ill-formed, as it would claim of each of the three hungry Lojbanists that they surrounded the building on their own. However, we are using plural quantifiers, and the sentence

{{lm|(5) ci xagji jbopre cu sruri lo dinju gi'e dasni lo mapku|<math>[3xx : jbopre(xx)] \: sruri(xx) \land dasni(xx)</math>|"3 hungry Lojbanists surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

can be handled thus:

{{lm|(6) su'o da poi ke'a ci mei gi'e jbopre cu sruri lo dinju gi'e dasni lo mapku|<math>[\exists xx : 3mei(xx) \land jbopre(xx)] \: sruri(xx) \land dasni(xx)</math>|"There are some Lojbanists that are three in number that surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

(5) and (6) are logically equivalent, (5) being a useful shortcut for (6).

=Distributivity and expressing it explicitly=

What is distributivity? When is a predicate (or an argument place of a predicate) distributive?

A predicate is distributive if, whenever some things satisfy the predicate, then each one of them satisfies the predicate. For example, whenever some things are cats, then each one of them is a cat. Therefore, "to be a cat" is a distributive predicate, or distributive in its first argument place.

Otherwise a predicate is called non-distributive. Some examples of non-distributive predicates are '''mei''', '''jmaji''', and the second place of '''me/menre'''.

In sentences (5) and (6) from the previous section, we can observe how a single plural term satisfies different predicates in the same sentence either distributively or non-distributively (or collectively). '''cimei''' is satisfied collectively, '''jbopre''' is satisfied distributively, '''sruri''' is again satisfied collectively, and finally '''dasni''' is satisfied distributively. Again, how an argument place is to be satisfied is part of the meaning (i.e. definition) of a predicate.

That being said, distributivity can also be shown explicitly, or ''forced''.

When is this needed? It is needed when
* a predicate is non-distributive but a distributive reading is desired
* wanting to emphasize individual satisfaction (e.g. in contrastive contexts)

A sentence like

{{lm|||"Some Lojbanists have never read CLL."}}

is equivalent to

{{lm|||"Some lojbanists are such that each among them has never read CLL."}}

(In such cases, marking distributivity is not necessary), but

{{lm|||"The rocks weighed 20kg."}}

is ''not'' equivalent to

{{lm|||"Each individual rock weighed 20kg."}}

Here it is important to be able to express the latter, i.e. the distributive reading. How do we do this?

In general, the solution involves a predicate that expresses individualness, or onesome-ness. One such predicate is '''pavmei'''. There are two cases, syntactically speaking, where the individualness restriction can be inserted into a sentence, depending on which part is supposed to be marked as distributive:

* In the prenex, as part of a restrictive relative clause: ''"Some <math>xx</math>, each of which ..., broda"''
* As part of the main claim, often with '''poi'i''': ''"Some <math>xx</math> are such that each one among them brodas"''

For example:

{{lm|(7) lo rokci cu poi'i ro pavmei je me ke'a cu ki'ogra li 20|<math>rokci(c); [\forall xx : pavmei(xx) \land xx =< c] \: kihogra(xx, 20)</math>|"The rocks are such that each one among them weighs 20kg."}}

{{lm|(8) ci jbopre poi ro pavmei je me ke'a cu xagji cu casnu zo lo|<math>[3xx : jbopre(xx) \land [\forall yy : pavmei(yy) \land yy =< xx] \: xagji(yy)] \: casnu(xx, "lo")</math>|"Three Lojbanists each one of which is hungry discuss the word '''lo'''.}}

'''ro pavmei je me ke'a''' is short for '''ro da poi ke'a pavmei gi'e menre ke'a xi re'''.

As we can see, singulars are just a (not so) special case of plurals.

Note that the same pattern used in (7) can be used to perform singularization from within a plural, to express sentences like this one:

{{lm|(9) su'o ratni va poi'i lo gunma be ke'a cu mlatu|<math>[\exists xx : ratni(xx)] \: gunma(c, xx) \land mlatu(c)</math>|"Some atoms over there are such that the mass composed of them is a cat." "There are some atoms that make up a cat together over there."}}

=Any vs All=

English often uses "any" and "all" interchangeably, or alternates between them in a seemingly random pattern, thereby obscuring the fact that they needn't be synonymous. Actually, we need two different kinds of universal quantifiers, one of which we have already met above in the form of ∀ ('''ro'''). This quantifier works for sentence like

{{lm|(10) ro jbopre cu poi'i ga nai do retsku fi ke'a gi ke'a cusku mo'e lo se zilkancu be ke'a be'o su'i pa danfu||"Any number of Lojbanists is such that if you ask them a question, you'll get that many answers plus 1."}}

What about the following?

{{lm|(11a) ro jbopre cu toltu'isi'u lo du'u ma kau smuni zo le|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx)] \: toltuhisihu(xx)</math>|"Any number of Lojbanists differ on what '''le''' means."}}

This almost works, but not quite, because the claim includes individual Lojbanists, and no single thing can satisfy '''simxu'''. A small addition can fix a sentence like this:

{{lm|(11b) ro jbopre je re mei cu toltu'isi'u lo du'u ma kau smuni zo le|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx) \land 2mei(xx)] \: toltuhisihu(xx)</math>|"Any two Lojbanists differ on what '''le''' means."}}

There are, however, sentences that require a different quantifier altogether, despite using the word ''"all"'':

{{lm|||"All the people who can speak Lojban taken together are five in number."}}

So, another quantifier is needed. If '''ro''' is "any", then '''ru'o''' could be ''"all"''. Or vice-versa. I'm not sure which way it should go. Traditionally, '''ro''' has been the ''"any"'', but ''"all"'' really makes more sense than ''"any"'' in things like '''li ro''', as it is the highest number, not any number. We can use the symbol <math>A</math> to represent this quantifier.

{{lm|(12) ru'o prenu poi kakne lo ka jbota'a cu mu mei|<math>[Axx : prenu(xx) \land kakne(xx, c)] \: 5mei(xx)</math>|"All the people who can speak Lojban taken together are five in number."}}

And a final example:

{{lm|(13) ru'o lo bakni cu sruri lo purdi|<math>[Axx : xx =< c_{bakni}] \: sruri(xx, c_{purdi})</math>|"All the cows are surrounding the garden."}}

The other universal wouldn't have worked, as it would also claim any number of the cows to surround the garden, which is not accurate.

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This concludes this little overview. Please post your comments, questions or corrections on the talk page or hit me up on IRC. [[User:Selpahi|Selpahi]] ([[User talk:Selpahi|talk]]) 12:08, 26 October 2015 (PDT)

A simple overview of pluralist Lojban

2015-10-27T20:57:20Z

Selpahi: /* Any vs All */

This page provides a simple overview of what Lojban would be like if all quantifiers were plural. ''None'' of the sentences below work under singular quantification; they would have to be (sometimes heavily) rephrased in standard Lojban, and/or have to use '''su'oi''' instead of '''su'o''' and '''ro'oi''' instead of '''ro'''. Keep this in mind when reading the examples.

=The two basic quantifiers ∃ and ∀=

There are two basic quantifiers that form the basis of the logic: the existential quantifier ∃ (expressed by '''su'o''') and the universal quantifier ∀ (expressed by '''ro'''). These quantifiers are plural, meaning that the quantified statement can be satisfied by more than one thing at a time. Plural quantifiers can achieve things that singular quantifiers can't. Consider, for instance, the verb ''"to gather"'':

{{lm|||"Some Lojbanists are gathering at jbonunsla."}}

This statement would not work with a singular existential quantifier, as no single Lojbanist is gathering at jbonunsla. With a plural quantifier, however, there is no problem.

While a singular existential quantifier reads something like ''"There is some <math>x</math> such that [it] ..."'', a plural existential quantifier reads like ''"There are some <math>x</math> such that [they]..."''. I choose to write plural variables as doubled letters, like <math>xx</math>, <math>yy</math>, <math>zz</math> to distinguish them more clearly from singular variables.

{{lm|(1) su'o jbopre cu jmaji la jbonunsla|<math>[\exists xx : jbopre(xx)] \: jmaji(xx)</math>|"Some Lojbanists are gathering at jbonunsla."}}

The universal quantifier <math>\forall</math> is the dual of the existential <math>\exists</math>, meaning that <math>\forall</math> is equivalent to <math>\lnot \exists \lnot</math>. Sentence (1) is equivalent to sentence (2) below:

{{lm|(2) na ku ro jbopre na jmaji la jbonunsla|<math>\lnot [\forall xx : jbopre(xx)] \: \lnot jmaji(xx)</math>|"It's not the case that all Lojbanists are not gathering at jbonunsla."}}

Similarly, (3) and (4) are equivalent:

{{lm|(3) ro jbopre poi ke'a tavlysi'u cu co'a pendysi'u|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx) \land tavlysihu(xx)] \: pendysihu(xx)</math>|"All Lojbanists that talk to each other become friends."}}

{{lm|(4) na ku su'o jbopre poi ke'a tavlysi'u na co'a pendysi'u|<math>\lnot [\exists xx : jbopre(xx) \land tavlysihu(xx)] \: \lnot pendysihu(xx)</math>|"It's not the case that some Lojbanists that talk to each other do not become friends."}}

=Numerical Statements=

{{lm|||"3 hungry Lojbanists surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

A numerical statement is one that contains a bare numerical quantifier, like ''"3 Lojbanists"'', or ''"5 cows"''. Using singular logic the above sentence would be ill-formed, as it would claim of each of the three hungry Lojbanists that they surrounded the building on their own. However, we are using plural quantifiers, and the sentence

{{lm|(5) ci xagji jbopre cu sruri lo dinju gi'e dasni lo mapku|<math>[3xx : jbopre(xx)] \: sruri(xx) \land dasni(xx)</math>|"3 hungry Lojbanists surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

can be handled thus:

{{lm|(6) su'o da poi ke'a ci mei gi'e jbopre cu sruri lo dinju gi'e dasni lo mapku|<math>[\exists xx : 3mei(xx) \land jbopre(xx)] \: sruri(xx) \land dasni(xx)</math>|"There are some Lojbanists that are three in number that surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

(5) and (6) are logically equivalent, (5) being a useful shortcut for (6).

=Distributivity and expressing it explicitly=

What is distributivity? When is a predicate (or an argument place of a predicate) distributive?

A predicate is distributive if, whenever some things satisfy the predicate, then each one of them satisfies the predicate. For example, whenever some things are cats, then each one of them is a cat. Therefore, "to be a cat" is a distributive predicate, or distributive in its first argument place.

Otherwise a predicate is called non-distributive. Some examples of non-distributive predicates are '''mei''', '''jmaji''', and the second place of '''me/menre'''.

In sentences (5) and (6) from the previous section, we can observe how a single plural term satisfies different predicates in the same sentence either distributively or non-distributively (or collectively). '''cimei''' is satisfied collectively, '''jbopre''' is satisfied distributively, '''sruri''' is again satisfied collectively, and finally '''dasni''' is satisfied distributively. Again, how an argument place is to be satisfied is part of the meaning (i.e. definition) of a predicate.

That being said, distributivity can also be shown explicitly, or ''forced''.

When is this needed? It is needed when
* a predicate is non-distributive but a distributive reading is desired
* wanting to emphasize individual satisfaction (e.g. in contrastive contexts)

A sentence like

{{lm|||"Some Lojbanists have never read CLL."}}

is equivalent to

{{lm|||"Some lojbanists are such that each among them has never read CLL."}}

(In such cases, marking distributivity is not necessary), but

{{lm|||"The rocks weighed 20kg."}}

is ''not'' equivalent to

{{lm|||"Each individual rock weighed 20kg."}}

Here it is important to be able to express the latter, i.e. the distributive reading. How do we do this?

In general, the solution involves a predicate that expresses individualness, or onesome-ness. One such predicate is '''pavmei'''. There are two cases, syntactically speaking, where the individualness restriction can be inserted into a sentence, depending on which part is supposed to be marked as distributive:

* In the prenex, as part of a restrictive relative clause: ''"Some <math>xx</math>, each of which ..., broda"''
* As part of the main claim, often with '''poi'i''': ''"Some <math>xx</math> are such that each one among them brodas"''

For example:

{{lm|(7) lo rokci cu poi'i ro pavmei je me ke'a cu ki'ogra li 20|<math>rokci(c); [\forall xx : pavmei(xx) \land xx =< c] \: kihogra(xx, 20)</math>|"The rocks are such that each one among them weighs 20kg."}}

{{lm|(8) ci jbopre poi ro pavmei je me ke'a cu xagji cu casnu zo lo|<math>[3xx : jbopre(xx) \land [\forall yy : pavmei(yy) \land yy =< xx] \: xagji(yy)] \: casnu(xx, "lo")</math>|"Three Lojbanists each one of which is hungry discuss the word '''lo'''.}}

'''ro pavmei je me ke'a''' is short for '''ro da poi ke'a pavmei gi'e menre ke'a xi re'''.

Note that the same pattern used in (7) can be used to perform singularization from within a plural, to express sentences like this one:

{{lm|(9) su'o ratni va poi'i lo gunma be ke'a cu mlatu|<math>[\exists xx : ratni(xx)] \: gunma(c, xx) \land mlatu(c)</math>|"Some atoms over there are such that the mass composed of them is a cat." "There are some atoms that make up a cat together over there."}}

=Any vs All=

English often uses "any" and "all" interchangeably, or alternates between them in a seemingly random pattern, thereby obscuring the fact that they needn't be synonymous. Actually, we need two different kinds of universal quantifiers, one of which we have already met above in the form of ∀ ('''ro'''). This quantifier works for sentence like

{{lm|(10) ro jbopre cu poi'i ga nai do retsku fi ke'a gi ke'a cusku mo'e lo se zilkancu be ke'a be'o su'i pa danfu||"Any number of Lojbanists is such that if you ask them a question, you'll get that many answers plus 1."}}

What about the following?

{{lm|(11a) ro jbopre cu toltu'isi'u lo du'u ma kau smuni zo le|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx)] \: toltuhisihu(xx)</math>|"Any number of Lojbanists differ on what '''le''' means."}}

This almost works, but not quite, because the claim includes individual Lojbanists, and no single thing can satisfy '''simxu'''. A small addition can fix a sentence like this:

{{lm|(11b) ro jbopre je re mei cu toltu'isi'u lo du'u ma kau smuni zo le|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx) \land 2mei(xx)] \: toltuhisihu(xx)</math>|"Any two Lojbanists differ on what '''le''' means."}}

There are, however, sentences that require a different quantifier altogether, despite using the word ''"all"'':

{{lm|||"All the people who can speak Lojban taken together are five in number."}}

So, another quantifier is needed. If '''ro''' is "any", then '''ru'o''' could be ''"all"''. Or vice-versa. I'm not sure which way it should go. Traditionally, '''ro''' has been the ''"any"'', but ''"all"'' really makes more sense than ''"any"'' in things like '''li ro''', as it is the highest number, not any number. We can use the symbol <math>A</math> to represent this quantifier.

{{lm|(12) ru'o prenu poi kakne lo ka jbota'a cu mu mei|<math>[Axx : prenu(xx) \land kakne(xx, c)] \: 5mei(xx)</math>|"All the people who can speak Lojban taken together are five in number."}}

And a final example:

{{lm|(13) ru'o lo bakni cu sruri lo purdi|<math>[Axx : xx =< c_{bakni}] \: sruri(xx, c_{purdi})</math>|"All the cows are surrounding the garden."}}

The other universal wouldn't have worked, as it would also claim any number of the cows to surround the garden, which is not accurate.

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This concludes this little overview. Please post your comments, questions or corrections on the talk page or hit me up on IRC. [[User:Selpahi|Selpahi]] ([[User talk:Selpahi|talk]]) 12:08, 26 October 2015 (PDT)

BPFK To-Do

2015-10-26T21:47:11Z

Selpahi: lu jai nandu fai lo ka broda li'u

Dei zo'u ra'u ge no'e se ganzu gi liste lo poi'i kanpe lo du'u li'ai BPFK ca su'o balvi cu ei se cuntu ke'a. I e'e do jmina fi ku.
==Ni'o lo cmeta==
*I mi'e [[la gleki|la Gleki]]:
**I dei noi papri cu kalsa.
**I ei gau ku lo nu casnu do'e lo drata me BPFK papri co'a pagbu.

*[[BPFK_Procedures#Voting|I ei platu gi'e cazgau su'o cnino poi cmicu'a ciste.]]
* I ro la'o gy [[Issues with checkpointed BPFK sections]] gy zo'u: ei lanli gi'e dafyfa'i.
* I mi'e [[User:Robin Lee Powell|la .Camgusmis.]]:
** I ei ca su'o balvi BPFK zanru lo nu stika pe [[CLL, aka Reference Grammar, Errata|lo cfiste be la Xuncku]]. I ki'u bo la Xuncku cu jai cuntu lo gafyfantymanri.
* I mi'e [[User:Robin Lee Powell|la .Camgusmis.]]:
**I glico gloso zo "xagri" fa zo'oi "reed" xoi spaji nu bebna. I ei basti fa zoi gy "reed instrument" gy ja zo'oi "woodwind" ja lo simsa.
*I mi'e la [[User:xorxes|.Xorxes.]]:
** Ei pensi gi'e jdice da vau lo se stidi poi se skicu do'e la [[zasni gerna cenba vreji|Zasni Gerna Cenba Vreji]].

==Ni'o lo gerna srana poi ei jai se jdice==
I
* lu {ti citka be mi} li'u
* lu {lo nu brode ba brodo} li'u
* lu {fi do vecnu ti} li'u
* lu {jai frili fai ma} li'u
* lu {mi broda fa do} li'u

==Ni'o lo srana be lo vlaste==
* I ei lo gimste zo'u xagzengau tu'a lo valsi se cuxna pe lo velcki gi'e va'o zengau lo sranysi'u lo ka manfo. I ei zukte tu'a lo gismu cfiste.
** (to sa'a lo gismu cfiste ma zvati mi'e [[User:Cirko|la Cirko]] toi)
* I ei ro lo cmavo cu se vlavelcki su'o uenzi be lo lojbo
* I ei ro lo cipra gismu zo'u jdice lo du'u xu kau co'a catni se zanru
* I ei ro lo cnino cmavo se stidi zo'u jdice lo du'u xu kau inda tu'a su'o ca'irselzau tarmi
==Ni'o lo srana be lo sumti klesi==
* I ei casnu lo si'o sumti klesi. I mu'a lo si'o mo'e ce'u da ka'e sumti ce'u noi zilkai.
* I ei ciksi tu'a lo te sumti lu'u poi mo'a va'e lo ka se ciksi je pe mu'u lo re moi pe zo "skari".
==Ni'o lo srana be lo te sumti stura==
* I lo du'u lo bridi je lo zilkai vu'o poi lu'e ke'a se pagbu zo "kau" cu turbaro ma kau
* I so'i gismu zo'u lo sumti poi se zvati su'o lo drata sumti zo'u simlu co mulno co srana be na bei lo smuni. I ei pei gau co'u sumti?
* I ei jdice lo du'u ma kau smuni zoi gy "by standard" gy pe lo gismu vlavelcki
==Predicate interactions issues==
Includes sumtcita (since they are compressed predicates)
* Formalize fi'o and BAI. Currently they are all broken and terrible. Some BAI might need to be killed or heavily redefined to make sense / be useful. for fi'o there are two options... there are infinitely many predicates, so it's simply not possible to define interaction of fi'o with every predicate seperately. therefore i propose to use a single formula that works for all fi'o clauses. BAI can be considered special in that they are more precisely defined and don't need this general solution. (bau = fi'o se baupli). this means that the fi'o transformation of tags is but an approximation, not a full equivalence. co'e only word that is general enough
==Mekso issues==
* Improve the BPFK definition for {ji'i} (see [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/XXO1L7zKGQE/VpgQ9JUfHBMJ this related discussion])
* Deciding upon the meaning of {ni}, and how to express amounts (zenba2, barda2, cnano2…)
==Unsorted issues==
* Formalize the tense system (?)
* CAhA as sumtcita
* scope weirdness in [[BPFK Section: Aspect|ZAhO definitions]] ("broda ba'o lo nu brode ~= ba'o broda ca lo nu brode"??)
* subjunctivity formalization
* position ne inner rel is outer with LE, but inner (part of name) with LA. is this desirable? (what if LE-LA merge goes through, still desirable?)
* scope of NA
* tu'a lo jei lu na'e gerku li'u smudra va'o lo nu lu to'e gerku li'u na smudra cu .e'u poi'i jdice ke'a gi'a jai gau zilzena fai lo ni ke'a jmifrili
* na'e ko'a
* make the PEG the official grammar.
* add uy and iy as BY
* add a new FAhA that means "along a path". I suggest {pu'a} from {pluta} (ditch the {pluka} BAI). {mi cadzu pu'a lo rirxe}. {pu'a} has almost no usage (8 times and only on IRC)
** [[la gleki]]:
*** it's {{jvs|vi'i}}
* define {lo >1 da} with unbound da
* discuss the jvojva
* Have a discussion about the status of dialects.
* Xu zo zo'e ka'e sinxa lo na'e konstanta? I mu'a lu "Mi na citka" li'u zo'u: xu ei da se pensi gi'e poi'i xusra lo du'u na citka ke'a? I ji ka'e smuni fa lo du'u lo cusku cu citka no da?
* Discuss logical connection of sentences with different illocutionay force

{{irci|xorxes|This reminds me that, if I recall correctly, we had different views when working on Xorban on whether it makes sense for two sentences with different illocutionary force to be logically connected. For me logical connection only applies to bare propositions, and not to propositions-in-use.}}
{{irci|And|My palpably deteriorating memory isn't pinging, so even if you recall correctly, I still don't. I do think that illocutionary operators can themselves be arguments of predicates (e.g. "Is it dinner time yet, for I'm hungry") tho, and since I take logical connectives to be predicates it follows that in principle I must allow illocutionary operators to be logically connected. I'm not sure how this bears on the current discussion, tho.}}
{{irci|xorxes|Yes, that was a good example. My view was that the underlying logic for that is:

# I (hereby) ask whether it is dinner time yet.
# The reason for my asking whether it is dinner time yet is that I am hungry.

1 and 2 are different propositions, but 2 happens to contain 1. Since both illocutionary acts make use of the same proposition, it is convenient to utter the sentence expressing that proposition only once, but that doesn't make the first illocutionary act (as opposed to just its propositional content) an argument of the predicate used in the second act.}}

* lu jai nandu fai lo ka broda li'u zo'u xu lo nu pilno zo se cu sarcu .i lu fai lo ka broda li'u ji lu fai lo ka se broda li'u drani

Review change proposals
* [http://selpahi.weebly.com/lojban/how-to-substantially-simplify-the-lojban-connective-system-my-connective-system Simplified connectives]
* [http://mw.lojban.org/papri/new_soi soi]
* [http://mw.lojban.org/papri/new_voi voi]
* abolition of rafsi assignments [http://selpahi.weebly.com/lojban/how-to-get-rid-of-formal-rafsi]
* cmevla-brivla merge

A simple overview of pluralist Lojban

2015-10-26T20:58:19Z

Selpahi: /* Distributivity and expressing it explicitly */

This page provides a simple overview of what Lojban would be like if all quantifiers were plural. ''None'' of the sentences below work under singular quantification; they would have to be (sometimes heavily) rephrased in standard Lojban, and/or have to use '''su'oi''' instead of '''su'o''' and '''ro'oi''' instead of '''ro'''. Keep this in mind when reading the examples.

=The two basic quantifiers ∃ and ∀=

There are two basic quantifiers that form the basis of the logic: the existential quantifier ∃ (expressed by '''su'o''') and the universal quantifier ∀ (expressed by '''ro'''). These quantifiers are plural, meaning that the quantified statement can be satisfied by more than one thing at a time. Plural quantifiers can achieve things that singular quantifiers can't. Consider, for instance, the verb ''"to gather"'':

{{lm|||"Some Lojbanists are gathering at jbonunsla."}}

This statement would not work with a singular existential quantifier, as no single Lojbanist is gathering at jbonunsla. With a plural quantifier, however, there is no problem.

While a singular existential quantifier reads something like ''"There is some <math>x</math> such that [it] ..."'', a plural existential quantifier reads like ''"There are some <math>x</math> such that [they]..."''. I choose to write plural variables as doubled letters, like <math>xx</math>, <math>yy</math>, <math>zz</math> to distinguish them more clearly from singular variables.

{{lm|(1) su'o jbopre cu jmaji la jbonunsla|<math>[\exists xx : jbopre(xx)] \: jmaji(xx)</math>|"Some Lojbanists are gathering at jbonunsla."}}

The universal quantifier <math>\forall</math> is the dual of the existential <math>\exists</math>, meaning that <math>\forall</math> is equivalent to <math>\lnot \exists \lnot</math>. Sentence (1) is equivalent to sentence (2) below:

{{lm|(2) na ku ro jbopre na jmaji la jbonunsla|<math>\lnot [\forall xx : jbopre(xx)] \: \lnot jmaji(xx)</math>|"It's not the case that all Lojbanists are not gathering at jbonunsla."}}

Similarly, (3) and (4) are equivalent:

{{lm|(3) ro jbopre poi ke'a tavlysi'u cu co'a pendysi'u|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx) \land tavlysihu(xx)] \: pendysihu(xx)</math>|"All Lojbanists that talk to each other become friends."}}

{{lm|(4) na ku su'o jbopre poi ke'a tavlysi'u na co'a pendysi'u|<math>\lnot [\exists xx : jbopre(xx) \land tavlysihu(xx)] \: \lnot pendysihu(xx)</math>|"It's not the case that some Lojbanists that talk to each other do not become friends."}}

=Numerical Statements=

{{lm|||"3 hungry Lojbanists surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

A numerical statement is one that contains a bare numerical quantifier, like ''"3 Lojbanists"'', or ''"5 cows"''. Using singular logic the above sentence would be ill-formed, as it would claim of each of the three hungry Lojbanists that they surrounded the building on their own. However, we are using plural quantifiers, and the sentence

{{lm|(5) ci xagji jbopre cu sruri lo dinju gi'e dasni lo mapku|<math>[3xx : jbopre(xx)] \: sruri(xx) \land dasni(xx)</math>|"3 hungry Lojbanists surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

can be handled thus:

{{lm|(6) su'o da poi ke'a ci mei gi'e jbopre cu sruri lo dinju gi'e dasni lo mapku|<math>[\exists xx : 3mei(xx) \land jbopre(xx)] \: sruri(xx) \land dasni(xx)</math>|"There are some Lojbanists that are three in number that surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

(5) and (6) are logically equivalent, (5) being a useful shortcut for (6).

=Distributivity and expressing it explicitly=

What is distributivity? When is a predicate (or an argument place of a predicate) distributive?

A predicate is distributive if, whenever some things satisfy the predicate, then each one of them satisfies the predicate. For example, whenever some things are cats, then each one of them is a cat. Therefore, "to be a cat" is a distributive predicate, or distributive in its first argument place.

Otherwise a predicate is called non-distributive. Some examples of non-distributive predicates are '''mei''', '''jmaji''', and the second place of '''me/menre'''.

In sentences (5) and (6) from the previous section, we can observe how a single plural term satisfies different predicates in the same sentence either distributively or non-distributively (or collectively). '''cimei''' is satisfied collectively, '''jbopre''' is satisfied distributively, '''sruri''' is again satisfied collectively, and finally '''dasni''' is satisfied distributively. Again, how an argument place is to be satisfied is part of the meaning (i.e. definition) of a predicate.

That being said, distributivity can also be shown explicitly, or ''forced''.

When is this needed? It is needed when
* a predicate is non-distributive but a distributive reading is desired
* wanting to emphasize individual satisfaction (e.g. in contrastive contexts)

A sentence like

{{lm|||"Some Lojbanists have never read CLL."}}

is equivalent to

{{lm|||"Some lojbanists are such that each among them has never read CLL."}}

(In such cases, marking distributivity is not necessary), but

{{lm|||"The rocks weighed 20kg."}}

is ''not'' equivalent to

{{lm|||"Each individual rock weighed 20kg."}}

Here it is important to be able to express the latter, i.e. the distributive reading. How do we do this?

In general, the solution involves a predicate that expresses individualness, or onesome-ness. One such predicate is '''pavmei'''. There are two cases, syntactically speaking, where the individualness restriction can be inserted into a sentence, depending on which part is supposed to be marked as distributive:

* In the prenex, as part of a restrictive relative clause: ''"Some <math>xx</math>, each of which ..., broda"''
* As part of the main claim, often with '''poi'i''': ''"Some <math>xx</math> are such that each one among them brodas"''

For example:

{{lm|(7) lo rokci cu poi'i ro pavmei je me ke'a cu ki'ogra li 20|<math>rokci(c); [\forall xx : pavmei(xx) \land xx =< c] \: kihogra(xx, 20)</math>|"The rocks are such that each one among them weighs 20kg."}}

{{lm|(8) ci jbopre poi ro pavmei je me ke'a cu xagji cu casnu zo lo|<math>[3xx : jbopre(xx) \land [\forall yy : pavmei(yy) \land yy =< xx] \: xagji(yy)] \: casnu(xx, "lo")</math>|"Three Lojbanists each one of which is hungry discuss the word '''lo'''.}}

'''ro pavmei je me ke'a''' is short for '''ro da poi ke'a pavmei gi'e menre ke'a xi re'''.

Note that the same pattern used in (7) can be used to perform singularization from within a plural, to express sentences like this one:

{{lm|(9) su'o ratni va poi'i lo gunma be ke'a cu mlatu|<math>[\exists xx : ratni(xx)] \: gunma(c, xx) \land mlatu(c)</math>|"Some atoms over there are such that the mass composed of them is a cat." "There are some atoms that make up a cat together over there."}}

=Any vs All=

English often uses "any" and "all" interchangeably, or alternates between them in a seemingly random pattern, thereby obscuring the fact that they needn't be synonymous. Actually, we need two different kinds of universal quantifiers, one of which we have already met above in the form of ∀ ('''ro'''). This quantifier works for sentence like

{{lm|(10) ro jbopre cu poi'i ga nai do retsku fi ke'a gi ke'a cusku mo'e lo se zilkancu be ke'a be'o su'i pa danfu||"Any number of Lojbanists is such that if you ask them a question, you'll get that many answers plus 1."}}

What about the following?

{{lm|(11a) ro jbopre cu toltu'isi'u lo du'u ma kau smuni zo le|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx)] \: toltuhisihu(xx)</math>|"Any number of Lojbanists differ on what '''le''' means."}}

This almost works, but not quite, because the claim includes individual Lojbanists, and no single thing can satisfy '''simxu'''. A small addition can fix a sentence like this:

{{lm|(11b) ro jbopre je re mei cu toltu'isi'u lo du'u ma kau smuni zo le|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx) \land 2mei(xx)] \: toltuhisihu(xx)</math>|"Any two Lojbanists differ on what '''le''' means."}}

There are, however, sentences that require a different quantifier altogether, despite using the word ''"all"'':

{{lm|||"All the people who can speak Lojban taken together are five in number."}}

So, another quantifier is needed. If '''ro''' is "any", then '''ru'o''' could be ''"all"''. Or vice-versa. I'm not sure which way it should go. Traditionally, '''ro''' has been the '''"any"''', but ''"all"'' really makes more sense than '''"any"''' in things like '''li ro''', as it is the highest number, not any number. We can use the symbol <math>A</math> to represent this quantifier.

{{lm|(12) ru'o prenu poi kakne lo ka jbota'a cu mu mei|<math>[Axx : prenu(xx) \land kakne(xx, c)] \: 5mei(xx)</math>|"All the people who can speak Lojban taken together are five in number."}}

And a final example:

{{lm|(13) ru'o lo bakni cu sruri lo purdi|<math>[Axx : xx =< c_{bakni}] \: sruri(xx, c_{purdi})</math>|"All the cows are surrounding the garden."}}

The other universal wouldn't have worked, as it would also claim any number of the cows to surround the garden, which is not accurate.

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This concludes this little overview. Please post your comments, questions or corrections on the talk page or hit me up on IRC. [[User:Selpahi|Selpahi]] ([[User talk:Selpahi|talk]]) 12:08, 26 October 2015 (PDT)

A simple overview of pluralist Lojban

2015-10-26T19:08:47Z

Selpahi: Created page with "This page provides a simple overview of what Lojban would be like if all quantifiers were plural. ''None'' of the sentences below work under singular quantification; they woul..."

This page provides a simple overview of what Lojban would be like if all quantifiers were plural. ''None'' of the sentences below work under singular quantification; they would have to be (sometimes heavily) rephrased in standard Lojban, and/or have to use '''su'oi''' instead of '''su'o''' and '''ro'oi''' instead of '''ro'''. Keep this in mind when reading the examples.

=The two basic quantifiers ∃ and ∀=

There are two basic quantifiers that form the basis of the logic: the existential quantifier ∃ (expressed by '''su'o''') and the universal quantifier ∀ (expressed by '''ro'''). These quantifiers are plural, meaning that the quantified statement can be satisfied by more than one thing at a time. Plural quantifiers can achieve things that singular quantifiers can't. Consider, for instance, the verb ''"to gather"'':

{{lm|||"Some Lojbanists are gathering at jbonunsla."}}

This statement would not work with a singular existential quantifier, as no single Lojbanist is gathering at jbonunsla. With a plural quantifier, however, there is no problem.

While a singular existential quantifier reads something like ''"There is some <math>x</math> such that [it] ..."'', a plural existential quantifier reads like ''"There are some <math>x</math> such that [they]..."''. I choose to write plural variables as doubled letters, like <math>xx</math>, <math>yy</math>, <math>zz</math> to distinguish them more clearly from singular variables.

{{lm|(1) su'o jbopre cu jmaji la jbonunsla|<math>[\exists xx : jbopre(xx)] \: jmaji(xx)</math>|"Some Lojbanists are gathering at jbonunsla."}}

The universal quantifier <math>\forall</math> is the dual of the existential <math>\exists</math>, meaning that <math>\forall</math> is equivalent to <math>\lnot \exists \lnot</math>. Sentence (1) is equivalent to sentence (2) below:

{{lm|(2) na ku ro jbopre na jmaji la jbonunsla|<math>\lnot [\forall xx : jbopre(xx)] \: \lnot jmaji(xx)</math>|"It's not the case that all Lojbanists are not gathering at jbonunsla."}}

Similarly, (3) and (4) are equivalent:

{{lm|(3) ro jbopre poi ke'a tavlysi'u cu co'a pendysi'u|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx) \land tavlysihu(xx)] \: pendysihu(xx)</math>|"All Lojbanists that talk to each other become friends."}}

{{lm|(4) na ku su'o jbopre poi ke'a tavlysi'u na co'a pendysi'u|<math>\lnot [\exists xx : jbopre(xx) \land tavlysihu(xx)] \: \lnot pendysihu(xx)</math>|"It's not the case that some Lojbanists that talk to each other do not become friends."}}

=Numerical Statements=

{{lm|||"3 hungry Lojbanists surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

A numerical statement is one that contains a bare numerical quantifier, like ''"3 Lojbanists"'', or ''"5 cows"''. Using singular logic the above sentence would be ill-formed, as it would claim of each of the three hungry Lojbanists that they surrounded the building on their own. However, we are using plural quantifiers, and the sentence

{{lm|(5) ci xagji jbopre cu sruri lo dinju gi'e dasni lo mapku|<math>[3xx : jbopre(xx)] \: sruri(xx) \land dasni(xx)</math>|"3 hungry Lojbanists surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

can be handled thus:

{{lm|(6) su'o da poi ke'a ci mei gi'e jbopre cu sruri lo dinju gi'e dasni lo mapku|<math>[\exists xx : 3mei(xx) \land jbopre(xx)] \: sruri(xx) \land dasni(xx)</math>|"There are some Lojbanists that are three in number that surrounded the building and wore hats."}}

(5) and (6) are logically equivalent, (5) being a useful shortcut for (6).

=Distributivity and expressing it explicitly=

What is distributivity? When is a predicate (or an argument place of a predicate) distributive?

A predicate is distributive if, whenever some things satisfy the predicate, then each one of them satisfies the predicate. For example, whenever some things are cats, then each one of them is a cat. Therefore, "to be a cat" is a distributive predicate, or distributive in its first argument place.

Otherwise a predicate is called non-distributive. Some examples of non-distributive predicates are '''mei''', '''jmaji''', and the first place of '''me/menre'''.

In sentences (5) and (6) from the previous section, we can observe how a single plural term satisfies different predicates in the same sentence either distributively or non-distributively (or collectively). '''cimei''' is satisfied collectively, '''jbopre''' is satisfied distributively, '''sruri''' is again satisfied collectively, and finally '''dasni''' is satisfied distributively. Again, how an argument place is to be satisfied is part of the meaning (i.e. definition) of a predicate.

That being said, distributivity can also be shown explicitly, or ''forced''.

When is this needed? It is needed when
* a predicate is non-distributive but a distributive reading is desired
* wanting to emphasize individual satisfaction (e.g. in contrastive contexts)

A sentence like

{{lm|||"Some Lojbanists have never read CLL."}}

is equivalent to

{{lm|||"Some lojbanists are such that each among them has never read CLL."}}

(In such cases, marking distributivity is not necessary), but

{{lm|||"The rocks weighed 20kg."}}

is ''not'' equivalent to

{{lm|||"Each individual rock weighed 20kg."}}

Here it is important to be able to express the latter, i.e. the distributive reading. How do we do this?

In general, the solution involves a predicate that expresses individualness, or onesome-ness. One such predicate is '''pavmei'''. There are two cases, syntactically speaking, where the individualness restriction can be inserted into a sentence, depending on which part is supposed to be marked as distributive:

* In the prenex, as part of a restrictive relative clause: ''"Some <math>xx</math>, each of which ..., broda"''
* As part of the main claim, often with '''poi'i''': ''"Some <math>xx</math> are such that each one among them brodas"''

For example:

{{lm|(7) lo rokci cu poi'i ro pavmei je me ke'a cu ki'ogra li 20|<math>rokci(c); [\forall xx : pavmei(xx) \land xx =< c] \: kihogra(xx, 20)</math>|"The rocks are such that each one among them weighs 20kg."}}

{{lm|(8) ci jbopre poi ro pavmei je me ke'a cu xagji cu casnu zo lo|<math>[3xx : jbopre(xx) \land [\forall yy : pavmei(yy) \land yy =< xx] \: xagji(yy)] \: casnu(xx, "lo")</math>|"Three Lojbanists each one of which is hungry discuss the word '''lo'''.}}

'''ro pavmei je me ke'a''' is short for '''ro da poi ke'a pavmei gi'e menre ke'a xi re'''.

Note that the same pattern used in (7) can be used to perform singularization from within a plural, to express sentences like this one:

{{lm|(9) su'o ratni va poi'i lo gunma be ke'a cu mlatu|<math>[\exists xx : ratni(xx)] \: gunma(c, xx) \land mlatu(c)</math>|"Some atoms over there are such that the mass composed of them is a cat." "There are some atoms that make up a cat together over there."}}

=Any vs All=

English often uses "any" and "all" interchangeably, or alternates between them in a seemingly random pattern, thereby obscuring the fact that they needn't be synonymous. Actually, we need two different kinds of universal quantifiers, one of which we have already met above in the form of ∀ ('''ro'''). This quantifier works for sentence like

{{lm|(10) ro jbopre cu poi'i ga nai do retsku fi ke'a gi ke'a cusku mo'e lo se zilkancu be ke'a be'o su'i pa danfu||"Any number of Lojbanists is such that if you ask them a question, you'll get that many answers plus 1."}}

What about the following?

{{lm|(11a) ro jbopre cu toltu'isi'u lo du'u ma kau smuni zo le|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx)] \: toltuhisihu(xx)</math>|"Any number of Lojbanists differ on what '''le''' means."}}

This almost works, but not quite, because the claim includes individual Lojbanists, and no single thing can satisfy '''simxu'''. A small addition can fix a sentence like this:

{{lm|(11b) ro jbopre je re mei cu toltu'isi'u lo du'u ma kau smuni zo le|<math>[\forall xx : jbopre(xx) \land 2mei(xx)] \: toltuhisihu(xx)</math>|"Any two Lojbanists differ on what '''le''' means."}}

There are, however, sentences that require a different quantifier altogether, despite using the word ''"all"'':

{{lm|||"All the people who can speak Lojban taken together are five in number."}}

So, another quantifier is needed. If '''ro''' is "any", then '''ru'o''' could be ''"all"''. Or vice-versa. I'm not sure which way it should go. Traditionally, '''ro''' has been the '''"any"''', but ''"all"'' really makes more sense than '''"any"''' in things like '''li ro''', as it is the highest number, not any number. We can use the symbol <math>A</math> to represent this quantifier.

{{lm|(12) ru'o prenu poi kakne lo ka jbota'a cu mu mei|<math>[Axx : prenu(xx) \land kakne(xx, c)] \: 5mei(xx)</math>|"All the people who can speak Lojban taken together are five in number."}}

And a final example:

{{lm|(13) ru'o lo bakni cu sruri lo purdi|<math>[Axx : xx =< c_{bakni}] \: sruri(xx, c_{purdi})</math>|"All the cows are surrounding the garden."}}

The other universal wouldn't have worked, as it would also claim any number of the cows to surround the garden, which is not accurate.

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This concludes this little overview. Please post your comments, questions or corrections on the talk page or hit me up on IRC. [[User:Selpahi|Selpahi]] ([[User talk:Selpahi|talk]]) 12:08, 26 October 2015 (PDT)

xukmi

2015-10-02T09:52:12Z

Selpahi:

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! lo se ratni
! lo sinxa
! lingua latina
! lojbo cmevla
! lo dzeno lojbo cmene
! fu'ivla (highly experimental)
! English
! Español
! magyar
! Srpska
! Српска
! Hrvatska
|-
| 1
| H
| hydrogenium
| xidrogeniium
| cidro
| xidrygeno
| hydrogene
| Hidrógeno
| hidrogén
| vodonik
| водоник
| vodik
|-
| 2
| He
| helium
| xeliium
| solnavni
| xelji'o
| helium
| Helio
| hélium
| helijum
| хелијум
| helij
|-
| 3
| Li
| litium
| litiium
| roksodna
| litci'o
| lithium
| Litio
| lítium
| litijum
| литијум
| litij
|-
| 4
| Be
| beryllium
| beriliium
| jinmrberilo
|
| beryllium
| Berilio
| berillium
| berilijum
| берилијум
| berilij
|-
| 5
| B
| borum
| borum
| jicmrboro
|
| boron
| Boro
| bór
| bor
| бор
| bor
|-
| 6
| C
| carboneum
| karboneium
| tabno
| karbono
| carbon
| Carbono
| szén
| ugljenik
| угљеник
| ugljik
|-
| 7
| N
| nitrogenium
| nitrogeniium
| trano
| nitrygeno
| nitrogen
| Nitrógeno
| nitrogén
| azot
| азот
| dušik
|-
| 8
| O
| oxygenium
| oksigeniium
| kijno
| oksigo
| oxygen
| Oxígeno
| oxigén
| kiseonik
| кисеоник
| kisik
|-
| 9
| F
| fluorum
| fluorum
| li'orkliru
| flu'oro
| fluorine
| Fluor
| fluor
| fluor
| флуор
| fluor
|-
| 10
| Ne
| neon
| ne'on
| ninynavni
|
| neon
| Neón
| neon
| neon
| неон
| neon
|-
| 11
| Na
| natrium
| natriium
| sodna
| natri'o
| sodium
| Sodio
| nátrium
| natrijum
| натријум
| natrij
|-
| 12
| Mg
| magnesium
| magnesiium
| lidgusyjinme
| magneso
| magnesium
| Magnesio
| magnézium
| magnezijum
| магнезијум
| magnezij
|-
| 13
| Al
| aluminium / aluminum
| alumini'um / aluminum
| jinmrmalume
| almino / almini'o
| aluminium
| Aluminio
| alumínium
| aluminijum
| алуминијум
| aluminij
|-
| 14
| Si
| silicium
| siliciium
| cancmu
| silki'o
| silicon
| Sílice
| szilícium
| silicijum
| силицијум
| silicij
|-
| 15
| P
| phosphorus
| fosforus
| sackycmu
|
| phosphorus
| Fósforo
| foszfor
| fosfor
| фосфор
| fosfor
|-
| 16
| S
| sulphur
| sulfur
| sliri
| sulfuro
| sulphur
| Azufre
| kén
| sumpor
| сумпор
| sumpor
|-
| 17
| Cl
| chlorum
| xlorum
| kliru
| kloro
| chlorine
| Cloro
| klór
| hlor
| хлор
| klor
|-
| 18
| Ar
| argon
| argon
| laznavni
| argono
| argon
| Argón
| argon
| argon
| аргон
| argon
|-
| 19
| K
| kalium
| kaliium
| sodnrkali
|
| potassium
| Potasio
| kálium
| kalijum
| калијум
| kalij
|-
| 20
| Ca
| calcium
| kalciium
| bogjinme
| kalsi'o
| calcium
| Calcio
| kalcium
| kalcijum
| калцијум
| kalcij
|-
| 21
| Sc
| scandium
| skandiium
| jinmrskandi
| skandiĭo
| scandium
| Escandio
| szkandium
| skandijum
| скандијум
| skandij
|-
| 22
| Ti
| titanium
| titaniium
| jinmrtitani
|
| titanium
| Titanio
| titán
| titan
| титан
| titanij
|-
| 23
| V
| vanadium
| vanadiium
| jinmrvanadi
|
| vanadium
| Vanadio
| vanádium
| vanadijum
| ванадијум
| vanadij
|-
| 24
| Cr
| chromium
| xromiium
| rogjinme
| kromo
| chromium
| Cromo
| króm
| hrom
| хром
| krom
|-
| 25
| Mn
| manganum
| manganum
| jinmrmanga
|
| manganese
| Manganeso
| mangán
| mangan
| манган
| mangan
|-
| 26
| Fe
| ferrum
| ferum
| tirse
|
| iron
| Hierro
| vas
| gvožde
| гвожђе
| željezo
|-
| 27
| Co
| cobaltum
| kobaltum
| ridjinme
|
| cobalt
| Cobalto
| kobalt
| kobalt
| кобалт
| kobalt
|-
| 28
| Ni
| niccolum
| nikolum
| nikle
|
| nickel
| Níquel
| nikkel
| nikl
| никл
| nikal
|-
| 29
| Cu
| cuprum
| kuprum
| tunka
|
| copper
| Cobre
| réz
| bakar
| бакар
| bakar
|-
| 30
| Zn
| zincum
| zinkum
| zinki
| zinko
| zinc
| Zinc
| cink
| cink
| цинк
| cink
|-
| 31
| Ga
| gallium
| galiium
| fasyjinme
|
| gallium
| Galio
| gallium
| galijum
| галијум
| galij
|-
| 32
| Ge
| germanium
| germaniium
| dotyjinme
| germani'o
| germanium
| Germanio
| germánium
| germanijum
| германијум
| germanij
|-
| 33
| As
| arsenicum
| arsenikum
| arseniko
| arseno
| arsenic
| Arsénico
| arzén
| arsen
| арсен
| arsen
|-
| 34
| Se
| selenium
| seleniium
| lurcmu
|
| selenium
| Selenio
| szelén
| selen
| селен
| selenij
|-
| 35
| Br
| bromum
| bromum
| xunkliru
| bromo
| bromine
| Bromo
| bróm
| brom
| бром
| brom
|-
| 36
| Kr
| krypton
| kripton
| mipnavni
| kriptono
| krypton
| Kryptón
| kripton
| kripton
| криптон
| kripton
|-
| 37
| Rb
| rubidium
| rubidiium
| xunsodna
|
| rubidium
| Rubidio
| rubídium
| rubidijum
| рубидијум
| rubidij
|-
| 38
| Sr
| strontium
| strontiium
| jinmrstronti
| stronti'o
| strontium
| Estroncio
| stroncium
| stroncijum
| стронцијум
| stroncij
|-
| 39
| Y
| yttrium
| itriium
| jinmrtitri
| itri'o
| yttrium
| Itrio
| ittrium
| itrijum
| итријум
| itrij
|-
| 40
| Zr
| zirconium
| zirkoniium
| jinmrzirkoni
|
| zirconium
| Zirconio
| cirkónium
| cirkonijum
| цирконијум
| cirkonij
|-
| 41
| Nb
| niobium
| niobiium
| jinmrni,obi
|
| niobium
| Niobio
| nióbium
| niobijum
| ниобијум
| niobij
|-
| 42
| Mo
| molybdaenum
| molibdenum
| mlibdena
|
| molybdenum
| Molibdeno
| molibdén
| molibden
| молибден
| molibden
|-
| 43
| Tc
| technetium
| texnetiium
| runjinme
|
| technetium
| Tecnecio
| technécium
| tehnecijum
| технецијум
| tehnecij
|-
| 44
| Ru
| ruthenium
| ruteniium
| rukyjinme
|
| ruthenium
| Rutenio
| ruténium
| rutenijum
| рутенијум
| rutenij
|-
| 45
| Rb
| rhodium
| rodiium
| zgujinme
|
| rhodium
| Rubidio
| ródium
| rodijum
| родијум
| rodij
|-
| 46
| Pd
| palladium
| paladiium
| jinmrpaladi
|
| palladium
| Paladio
| palládium
| paladijum
| паладијум
| paladij
|-
| 47
| Ag
| argentum
| argentum
| rijno
| argento
| silver
| Plata
| ezüst
| srebro
| сребро
| srebro
|-
| 48
| Cd
| cadmium
| kadmiium
| jinmrkadmu
| kadmi'o
| cadmium
| Cadmio
| kadmium
| kadmijum
| кадмијум
| kadmij
|-
| 49
| In
| indium
| indiium
| blajinme
| indi'o
| indium
| Indio
| indium
| indijum
| индијум
| indij
|-
| 50
| Sn
| stannum
| stanum
| tinci
|
| tin
| Estaño
| ón
| kalaj
| калај
| kositar
|-
| 51
| Sb
| stibium
| stibiium
| antimoni
| stibi'o
| antimony
| Antimonio
| antimon
| antimon
| антимон
| antimon
|-
| 52
| Te
| tellurium
| teluriium
| tedjicmu
|
| tellurium
| Teluro
| tellúr
| telur
| телур
| telurij
|-
| 53
| I
| iodium
| iodiium
| zirkliru
| iodno
| iodine
| Iodo
| jód
| jod
| јод
| jod
|-
| 54
| Xe
| xenon
| ksenon
| fangynavni
| ekseno
| xenon
| Xenón
| xenon
| ksenon
| ксенон
| ksenon
|-
| 55
| Cs
| caesium
| cesiium
| blasodna
| tsaiso / tsaisiĭo / ckesi'o
| cesium / caesium
| Cesio
| cézium
| cezijum
| цезијум
| cezij
|-
| 56
| Ba
| barium
| bariium
| tijyjinme
|
| barium
| Bario
| bárium
| barijum
| баријум
| barij
|-
| 57
| La
| lanthanum
| lantanum
| jinmrlantano
| lantano
| lanthanum
| Lantano
| lantán
| lantan
| лантан
| lantan
|-
| 58
| Ce
| cerium
| ceriium
| jinmrseri
|
| cerium
| Cerio
| cérium
| cer
| цер
| cerij
|-
| 59
| Pr
| praseodymium
| prase'odimiium
| jinmrprase,odimi
|
| praseodymium
| Praseodimio
| prazeodímium
| prazeodim
| празеодим
| praseodimij
|-
| 60
| Nd
| neodymium
| ne'odimiium
| jinmrne,odimi
|
| neodymium
| Neodimio
| neodímium
| neodim
| неодим
| neodimij
|-
| 61
| Pm
| promethium
| prometiium
| fagycevjinme
| prometo
| promethium
| Promecio
| prométium
| prometejum
| прометејум
| prometij
|-
| 62
| Sm
| samarium
| samariium
| jinmrsamari
|
| samarium
| Samario
| szamárium
| samarijum
| самаријум
| samarij
|-
| 63
| Eu
| europium
| e'uropiium
| ronjinme
|
| europium
| Europio
| európium
| europijum
| еуропијум
| europij
|-
| 64
| Gd
| gadolinium
| gadoliniium
| jinmrgadolini
|
| gadolinium
| Gadolinio
| gadolínium
| gadolinijum
| гадолинијум
| gadolinij
|-
| 65
| Tb
| terbium
| terbiium
| jinmrterbi
| terbi'o
| terbium
| Terbio
| terbium
| terbijum
| тербијум
| terbij
|-
| 66
| Dy
| dysprosium
| disprosiium
| jinmrdisprosi
|
| dysprosium
| Disprosio
| diszprózium
| disprozijum
| диспрозијум
| disprozij
|-
| 67
| Ho
| holmium
| xolmiium
| jinmrxolmi
| xolmi'o
| holmium
| Holmio
| holmium
| holmijum
| холмијум
| holmij
|-
| 68
| Er
| erbium
| erbiium
| jinmrberbi
| erbi'o
| erbium
| Erbio
| erbium
| erbijum
| ербијум
| erbij
|-
| 69
| Tm
| thulium
| tuliium
| jinmrtuli
|
| thulium
| Tulio
| túlium
| tulijum
| тулијум
| tulij
|-
| 70
| Yb
| ytterbium
| iterbiium
| jinmrtiterbi
|
| ytterbium
| Iterbio
| itterbium
| iterbijum
| итербијум
| iterbij
|-
| 71
| Lu
| lutetium
| lutetiium
| jinmrluteti
|
| lutetium
| Lutecio
| lutécium
| lutecijum
| лутецијум
| lutecij
|-
| 72
| Hf
| hafnium
| xafniium
| jinmrxafni
| xafni'o
| hafnium
| Hafnio
| hafnium
| hafnijum
| хафнијум
| hafnij
|-
| 73
| Ta
| tantalum
| tantalum
| jinmrtantalu
| tantalo
| tantalum
| Tantalio
| tantál
| tantal
| тантал
| tantal
|-
| 74
| W
| wolframium
| volframiium
| jarjinme
|
| tungsten / wolfram
| Wolframio
| volfrám
| volfram
| волфрам
| volfram
|-
| 75
| Re
| rhenium
| reniium
| jinmlreni
|
| rhenium
| Renio
| rénium
| renijum
| ренијум
| renij
|-
| 76
| Os
| osmium
| osmiium
| jinmrbosmi
| osmi'o
| osmium
| Osmio
| ozmium
| osmijum
| осмијум
| osmij
|-
| 77
| Ir
| iridium
| iridiium
| jinmrdiridi
|
| iridium
| Iridio
| iridium
| iridijum
| иридијум
| iridij
|-
| 78
| Pt
| platinum
| platinum
| jinmrplati
| platino
| platinum
| Platino
| platina
| platina
| платина
| platina
|-
| 79
| Au
| aurum
| aurum
| solji
|
| gold
| Oro
| arany
| zlato
| злато
| zlato
|-
| 80
| Hg
| hydrargyrum
| xidrargirum
| margu
| xidryrgiro
| mercury
| Mercurio
| higany
| živa
| жива
| živa
|-
| 81
| Tl
| thallium
| taliium
| jinmrtali
|
| thallium
| Talio
| tallium
| talijum
| талијум
| talij
|-
| 82
| Pb
| plumbum
| plumbum
| cnisa
|
| lead
| Plomo
| ólom
| olovo
| олово
| olovo
|-
| 83
| Bi
| bismuthum
| bismutum
| jinmrbismu
| bitmuto
| bismuth
| Bismuto
| bizmut
| bizmut
| бизмут
| bizmut
|-
| 84
| Po
| polonium
| poloniium
| jicmrpoloni
|
| polonium
| Polonio
| polónium
| polonijum
| полонијум
| polonij
|-
| 85
| At
| astatium
| astatiium
| klirlxastati
|
| astatine
| Ástato
| asztácium
| astat
| астат
| astat
|-
| 86
| Rn
| radon
| radon
| dircynavni
|
| radon
| Radón
| radon
| radon
| радон
| radon
|-
| 87
| Fr
| francium
| franciium
| fasysodna
|
| francium
| Francio
| francium
| francijum
| францијум
| francij
|-
| 88
| Ra
| radium
| radiium
| dircyjinme
|
| radium
| Radio
| rádium
| radijum
| радијум
| radij
|-
| 89
| Ac
| actinium
| aktiniium
| jinmrtaktini
|
| actinium
| Actinio
| aktínium
| aktinijum
| актинијум
| aktinij
|-
| 90
| Th
| thorium
| toriium
| lidycevjinme
|
| thorium
| Torio
| tórium
| torijum
| торијум
| torij
|-
| 91
| Pa
| protactinium
| protaktiniium
| jinmrproktini
|
| protactinium
| Protactinio
| protaktínium
| protaktinijum
| протактинијум
| protaktinij
|-
| 92
| U
| uranium
| uraniium
| jinmrvurani
|
| uranium
| Uranio
| urán
| uranijum / uran
| уранијум / уран
| uranij
|-
| 93
| Np
| neptunium
| neptuniium
| jinmrneptuni
| neptuni'o
| neptunium
| Neptunio
| neptúnium
| neptunijum
| нептунијум
| neptunij
|-
| 94
| Pu
| plutonium
| plutoniium
| jinmrplutoni
| plutoni'o
| plutonium
| Plutonio
| plutónium
| plutonijum
| плутонијум
| plutonij
|-
| 95
| Am
| americium
| americiium
| merjinme
|
| americium
| Americio
| amerícium
| americijum
| америцијум
| americij
|-
| 96
| Cm
| curium
| kuriium
| jinmrkuri
|
| curium
| Curio
| kűrium
| kirijum
| киријум
| curij
|-
| 97
| Bk
| berkelium
| berkeliium
| jinmrberkeli
| berkeli'o
| berkelium
| Berkelio
| berkélium
| berklijum
| берклијум
| berkelij
|-
| 98
| Cf
| californium
| kaliforniium
| jinmrkaliforni
|
| californium
| Californio
| kalifornium
| kalifornijum
| калифорнијум
| kalifornij
|-
| 99
| Es
| einsteinium
| einsteiniium
| jinmrtainctaini
| ainctaini'o
| einsteinium
| Einstenio
| einsteinium
| ajnštajnijum
| ајнштајнијум
| einsteinij
|-
| 100
| Fm
| fermium
| fermiium
| jinmrfermi
| fermi'o
| fermium
| Fermio
| fermium
| fermijum
| фермијум
| fermij
|-
| 101
| Md
| mendelevium
| mendeleviium
| jinmrmendelevi
| mendelevi'o
| mendelevium
| Mendelevio
| mendelévium
| mendeljevijum
| мендељевијум
| mendelevij
|-
| 102
| No
| nobelium
| nobeliium
| jinmrnobeli
|
| nobelium
| Nobelio
| nobélium
| nobelijum
| нобелијум
| nobelij
|-
| 103
| Lr
| lawrencium
| laurenciium
| jinmrlorensi
|
| lawrencium
| Lawrencio
| laurencium
| lorencijum
| лоренцијум
| lawrencij
|-
| 104
| (Ku)
| (kurchatovium / rutherfordium)
| (kurtcatoviium / ruterfordiium)
| jinmlruterfordi
|
| unnilquadium
|
| unnilkvádium
| unilkvadijum
| унилквадијум
| unnilkvadij
|-
| 105
| (Ha)
| (hahnium)
| (xaniium)
| jinmrdubni
|
| unnilpentium
|
| unnilpentium
| unilpentijum
| унилпентијум
| unnilpentij
|-
| 106
| (Sg)
| (seaborgium)
| (siborgiium)
| jinmrsiborgi
|
| unnilhexium
|
| unnilhexium
| unilheksijum
| унилхексијум
| unnilheksij
|-
| 107
| (Ns)
| (nielsbohrium)
| (nielsboriium)
| jinmrbori
|
| unnilseptium
|
| unnilszeptium
| unilseptijum
| унилсептијум
| unnilseptij
|-
| 108
| (Hs)
| (hassium)
| (xasiium)
| jinmrxasi
|
| unniloctium
|
| unniloktium
| uniloktijum
| унилоктијум
| unniloktij
|-
| 109
| (Mt)
| (meitnerium)
| (meitneriium)
| jinmrmaitneri
|
| unnilennium
|
| unnilennium
| unilenijum
| униленијум
| unnilenij
|-
| 110
| Uun
| ununnilium
| ununiliium
| jinmrdarmctati
|
| ununnilium
|
| ununnilium
| ununilijum
| унунилијум
| ununnilij
|-
| 111
| Uuu
| unununium
| unununiium
|
|
| unununium
| Ununio
| unununium
| unununijum
| унунунијум
| unununij
|-
| 112
| Uub
| ununbium
| ununbiium
|
|
| ununbium
| Ununbio
| ununbium
| ununbijum
| унунбијум
| ununbij
|-
| 114
| Uuq
| ununquadium
| ununkuadiium
|
|
| ununquadium
| Ununquadio
| ununkvádium
| ununkvadijum
| унунквадијум
| ununkvadij
|-
| 116
| Uuh
| ununhexium
| ununxeksiium
|
|
| ununhexium
| Ununhexio
| ununhexium
| ununheksijum
| унунхексијум
| ununheksij
|-
| 118
| Uuo
| ununoctium
| ununoktiium
|
|
| ununoctium
| Ununoctio
| ununoktium
| ununoktijum
| унуноктијум
| ununoktij
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| 1
| H
| hydrogenium
| xidrogeniium
| cidro
| xidrygeno
| hydrogene
| Hidrógeno
| hidrogén
| vodonik
| водоник
| vodik
|-
| 2
| He
| helium
| xeliium
| solnavni
| xelji'o
| helium
| Helio
| hélium
| helijum
| хелијум
| helij
|-
| 3
| Li
| litium
| litiium
| roksodna
| litci'o
| lithium
| Litio
| lítium
| litijum
| литијум
| litij
|-
| 4
| Be
| beryllium
| beriliium
| jinmrberilo
|
| beryllium
| Berilio
| berillium
| berilijum
| берилијум
| berilij
|-
| 5
| B
| borum
| borum
| jicmrboro
|
| boron
| Boro
| bór
| bor
| бор
| bor
|-
| 6
| C
| carboneum
| karboneium
| tabno
| karbono
| carbon
| Carbono
| szén
| ugljenik
| угљеник
| ugljik
|-
| 7
| N
| nitrogenium
| nitrogeniium
| trano
| nitrygeno
| nitrogen
| Nitrógeno
| nitrogén
| azot
| азот
| dušik
|-
| 8
| O
| oxygenium
| oksigeniium
| kijno
| oksigo
| oxygen
| Oxígeno
| oxigén
| kiseonik
| кисеоник
| kisik
|-
| 9
| F
| fluorum
| fluorum
| li'orkliru
| flu'oro
| fluorine
| Fluor
| fluor
| fluor
| флуор
| fluor
|-
| 10
| Ne
| neon
| ne'on
| ninynavni
|
| neon
| Neón
| neon
| neon
| неон
| neon
|-
| 11
| Na
| natrium
| natriium
| sodna
| natri'o
| sodium
| Sodio
| nátrium
| natrijum
| натријум
| natrij
|-
| 12
| Mg
| magnesium
| magnesiium
| lidgusyjinme
| magneso
| magnesium
| Magnesio
| magnézium
| magnezijum
| магнезијум
| magnezij
|-
| 13
| Al
| aluminium / aluminum
| alumini'um / aluminum
| jinmrmalume
| almino / almini'o
| aluminium
| Aluminio
| alumínium
| aluminijum
| алуминијум
| aluminij
|-
| 14
| Si
| silicium
| siliciium
| cancmu
| silki'o
| silicon
| Sílice
| szilícium
| silicijum
| силицијум
| silicij
|-
| 15
| P
| phosphorus
| fosforus
| sackycmu
|
| phosphorus
| Fósforo
| foszfor
| fosfor
| фосфор
| fosfor
|-
| 16
| S
| sulphur
| sulfur
| sliri
| sulfuro
| sulphur
| Azufre
| kén
| sumpor
| сумпор
| sumpor
|-
| 17
| Cl
| chlorum
| xlorum
| kliru
| kloro
| chlorine
| Cloro
| klór
| hlor
| хлор
| klor
|-
| 18
| Ar
| argon
| argon
| laznavni
| argono
| argon
| Argón
| argon
| argon
| аргон
| argon
|-
| 19
| K
| kalium
| kaliium
| sodnrkali
|
| potassium
| Potasio
| kálium
| kalijum
| калијум
| kalij
|-
| 20
| Ca
| calcium
| kalciium
| bogjinme
| kalsi'o
| calcium
| Calcio
| kalcium
| kalcijum
| калцијум
| kalcij
|-
| 21
| Sc
| scandium
| skandiium
| jinmrskandi
| skandiĭo
| scandium
| Escandio
| szkandium
| skandijum
| скандијум
| skandij
|-
| 22
| Ti
| titanium
| titaniium
| jinmrtitani
|
| titanium
| Titanio
| titán
| titan
| титан
| titanij
|-
| 23
| V
| vanadium
| vanadiium
| jinmrvanadi
|
| vanadium
| Vanadio
| vanádium
| vanadijum
| ванадијум
| vanadij
|-
| 24
| Cr
| chromium
| xromiium
| rogjinme
| kromo
| chromium
| Cromo
| króm
| hrom
| хром
| krom
|-
| 25
| Mn
| manganum
| manganum
| jinmrmanga
|
| manganese
| Manganeso
| mangán
| mangan
| манган
| mangan
|-
| 26
| Fe
| ferrum
| ferum
| tirse
|
| iron
| Hierro
| vas
| gvožde
| гвожђе
| željezo
|-
| 27
| Co
| cobaltum
| kobaltum
| ridjinme
|
| cobalt
| Cobalto
| kobalt
| kobalt
| кобалт
| kobalt
|-
| 28
| Ni
| niccolum
| nikolum
| nikle
|
| nickel
| Níquel
| nikkel
| nikl
| никл
| nikal
|-
| 29
| Cu
| cuprum
| kuprum
| tunka
|
| copper
| Cobre
| réz
| bakar
| бакар
| bakar
|-
| 30
| Zn
| zincum
| zinkum
| zinki
| zinko
| zinc
| Zinc
| cink
| cink
| цинк
| cink
|-
| 31
| Ga
| gallium
| galiium
| fasyjinme
|
| gallium
| Galio
| gallium
| galijum
| галијум
| galij
|-
| 32
| Ge
| germanium
| germaniium
| dotyjinme
| germani'o
| germanium
| Germanio
| germánium
| germanijum
| германијум
| germanij
|-
| 33
| As
| arsenicum
| arsenikum
| arseniko
| arseno
| arsenic
| Arsénico
| arzén
| arsen
| арсен
| arsen
|-
| 34
| Se
| selenium
| seleniium
| lurcmu
|
| selenium
| Selenio
| szelén
| selen
| селен
| selenij
|-
| 35
| Br
| bromum
| bromum
| xunkliru
| bromo
| bromine
| Bromo
| bróm
| brom
| бром
| brom
|-
| 36
| Kr
| krypton
| kripton
| mipnavni
| kriptono
| krypton
| Kryptón
| kripton
| kripton
| криптон
| kripton
|-
| 37
| Rb
| rubidium
| rubidiium
| xunsodna
|
| rubidium
| Rubidio
| rubídium
| rubidijum
| рубидијум
| rubidij
|-
| 38
| Sr
| strontium
| strontiium
| jinmrstronti
| stronti'o
| strontium
| Estroncio
| stroncium
| stroncijum
| стронцијум
| stroncij
|-
| 39
| Y
| yttrium
| itriium
| jinmrtitri
| itri'o
| yttrium
| Itrio
| ittrium
| itrijum
| итријум
| itrij
|-
| 40
| Zr
| zirconium
| zirkoniium
| jinmrzirkoni
|
| zirconium
| Zirconio
| cirkónium
| cirkonijum
| цирконијум
| cirkonij
|-
| 41
| Nb
| niobium
| niobiium
| jinmrni,obi
|
| niobium
| Niobio
| nióbium
| niobijum
| ниобијум
| niobij
|-
| 42
| Mo
| molybdaenum
| molibdenum
| mlibdena
|
| molybdenum
| Molibdeno
| molibdén
| molibden
| молибден
| molibden
|-
| 43
| Tc
| technetium
| texnetiium
| runjinme
|
| technetium
| Tecnecio
| technécium
| tehnecijum
| технецијум
| tehnecij
|-
| 44
| Ru
| ruthenium
| ruteniium
| rukyjinme
|
| ruthenium
| Rutenio
| ruténium
| rutenijum
| рутенијум
| rutenij
|-
| 45
| Rb
| rhodium
| rodiium
| zgujinme
|
| rhodium
| Rubidio
| ródium
| rodijum
| родијум
| rodij
|-
| 46
| Pd
| palladium
| paladiium
| jinmrpaladi
|
| palladium
| Paladio
| palládium
| paladijum
| паладијум
| paladij
|-
| 47
| Ag
| argentum
| argentum
| rijno
| argento
| silver
| Plata
| ezüst
| srebro
| сребро
| srebro
|-
| 48
| Cd
| cadmium
| kadmiium
| jinmrkadmu
| kadmi'o
| cadmium
| Cadmio
| kadmium
| kadmijum
| кадмијум
| kadmij
|-
| 49
| In
| indium
| indiium
| blajinme
| indi'o
| indium
| Indio
| indium
| indijum
| индијум
| indij
|-
| 50
| Sn
| stannum
| stanum
| tinci
|
| tin
| Estaño
| ón
| kalaj
| калај
| kositar
|-
| 51
| Sb
| stibium
| stibiium
| antimoni
| stibi'o
| antimony
| Antimonio
| antimon
| antimon
| антимон
| antimon
|-
| 52
| Te
| tellurium
| teluriium
| tedjicmu
|
| tellurium
| Teluro
| tellúr
| telur
| телур
| telurij
|-
| 53
| I
| iodium
| iodiium
| zirkliru
| iodno
| iodine
| Iodo
| jód
| jod
| јод
| jod
|-
| 54
| Xe
| xenon
| ksenon
| fangynavni
| ekseno
| xenon
| Xenón
| xenon
| ksenon
| ксенон
| ksenon
|-
| 55
| Cs
| caesium
| cesiium
| blasodna
| tsaiso / tsaisiĭo
| cesium / caesium
| Cesio
| cézium
| cezijum
| цезијум
| cezij
|-
| 56
| Ba
| barium
| bariium
| tijyjinme
|
| barium
| Bario
| bárium
| barijum
| баријум
| barij
|-
| 57
| La
| lanthanum
| lantanum
| jinmrlantano
| lantano
| lanthanum
| Lantano
| lantán
| lantan
| лантан
| lantan
|-
| 58
| Ce
| cerium
| ceriium
| jinmrseri
|
| cerium
| Cerio
| cérium
| cer
| цер
| cerij
|-
| 59
| Pr
| praseodymium
| prase'odimiium
| jinmrprase,odimi
|
| praseodymium
| Praseodimio
| prazeodímium
| prazeodim
| празеодим
| praseodimij
|-
| 60
| Nd
| neodymium
| ne'odimiium
| jinmrne,odimi
|
| neodymium
| Neodimio
| neodímium
| neodim
| неодим
| neodimij
|-
| 61
| Pm
| promethium
| prometiium
| fagycevjinme
| prometo
| promethium
| Promecio
| prométium
| prometejum
| прометејум
| prometij
|-
| 62
| Sm
| samarium
| samariium
| jinmrsamari
|
| samarium
| Samario
| szamárium
| samarijum
| самаријум
| samarij
|-
| 63
| Eu
| europium
| e'uropiium
| ronjinme
|
| europium
| Europio
| európium
| europijum
| еуропијум
| europij
|-
| 64
| Gd
| gadolinium
| gadoliniium
| jinmrgadolini
|
| gadolinium
| Gadolinio
| gadolínium
| gadolinijum
| гадолинијум
| gadolinij
|-
| 65
| Tb
| terbium
| terbiium
| jinmrterbi
|
| terbium
| Terbio
| terbium
| terbijum
| тербијум
| terbij
|-
| 66
| Dy
| dysprosium
| disprosiium
| jinmrdisprosi
|
| dysprosium
| Disprosio
| diszprózium
| disprozijum
| диспрозијум
| disprozij
|-
| 67
| Ho
| holmium
| xolmiium
| jinmrxolmi
|
| holmium
| Holmio
| holmium
| holmijum
| холмијум
| holmij
|-
| 68
| Er
| erbium
| erbiium
| jinmrberbi
| erbi'o
| erbium
| Erbio
| erbium
| erbijum
| ербијум
| erbij
|-
| 69
| Tm
| thulium
| tuliium
| jinmrtuli
|
| thulium
| Tulio
| túlium
| tulijum
| тулијум
| tulij
|-
| 70
| Yb
| ytterbium
| iterbiium
| jinmrtiterbi
|
| ytterbium
| Iterbio
| itterbium
| iterbijum
| итербијум
| iterbij
|-
| 71
| Lu
| lutetium
| lutetiium
| jinmrluteti
|
| lutetium
| Lutecio
| lutécium
| lutecijum
| лутецијум
| lutecij
|-
| 72
| Hf
| hafnium
| xafniium
| jinmrxafni
|
| hafnium
| Hafnio
| hafnium
| hafnijum
| хафнијум
| hafnij
|-
| 73
| Ta
| tantalum
| tantalum
| jinmrtantalu
|
| tantalum
| Tantalio
| tantál
| tantal
| тантал
| tantal
|-
| 74
| W
| wolframium
| volframiium
| jarjinme
|
| tungsten / wolfram
| Wolframio
| volfrám
| volfram
| волфрам
| volfram
|-
| 75
| Re
| rhenium
| reniium
| jinmlreni
|
| rhenium
| Renio
| rénium
| renijum
| ренијум
| renij
|-
| 76
| Os
| osmium
| osmiium
| jinmrbosmi
|
| osmium
| Osmio
| ozmium
| osmijum
| осмијум
| osmij
|-
| 77
| Ir
| iridium
| iridiium
| jinmrdiridi
|
| iridium
| Iridio
| iridium
| iridijum
| иридијум
| iridij
|-
| 78
| Pt
| platinum
| platinum
| jinmrplati
| platino
| platinum
| Platino
| platina
| platina
| платина
| platina
|-
| 79
| Au
| aurum
| aurum
| solji
|
| gold
| Oro
| arany
| zlato
| злато
| zlato
|-
| 80
| Hg
| hydrargyrum
| xidrargirum
| margu
| xidryrgiro
| mercury
| Mercurio
| higany
| živa
| жива
| živa
|-
| 81
| Tl
| thallium
| taliium
| jinmrtali
|
| thallium
| Talio
| tallium
| talijum
| талијум
| talij
|-
| 82
| Pb
| plumbum
| plumbum
| cnisa
|
| lead
| Plomo
| ólom
| olovo
| олово
| olovo
|-
| 83
| Bi
| bismuthum
| bismutum
| jinmrbismu
| bitmuto
| bismuth
| Bismuto
| bizmut
| bizmut
| бизмут
| bizmut
|-
| 84
| Po
| polonium
| poloniium
| jicmrpoloni
|
| polonium
| Polonio
| polónium
| polonijum
| полонијум
| polonij
|-
| 85
| At
| astatium
| astatiium
| klirlxastati
|
| astatine
| Ástato
| asztácium
| astat
| астат
| astat
|-
| 86
| Rn
| radon
| radon
| dircynavni
|
| radon
| Radón
| radon
| radon
| радон
| radon
|-
| 87
| Fr
| francium
| franciium
| fasysodna
|
| francium
| Francio
| francium
| francijum
| францијум
| francij
|-
| 88
| Ra
| radium
| radiium
| dircyjinme
|
| radium
| Radio
| rádium
| radijum
| радијум
| radij
|-
| 89
| Ac
| actinium
| aktiniium
| jinmrtaktini
|
| actinium
| Actinio
| aktínium
| aktinijum
| актинијум
| aktinij
|-
| 90
| Th
| thorium
| toriium
| lidycevjinme
|
| thorium
| Torio
| tórium
| torijum
| торијум
| torij
|-
| 91
| Pa
| protactinium
| protaktiniium
| jinmrproktini
|
| protactinium
| Protactinio
| protaktínium
| protaktinijum
| протактинијум
| protaktinij
|-
| 92
| U
| uranium
| uraniium
| jinmrvurani
|
| uranium
| Uranio
| urán
| uranijum / uran
| уранијум / уран
| uranij
|-
| 93
| Np
| neptunium
| neptuniium
| jinmrneptuni
| neptuni'o
| neptunium
| Neptunio
| neptúnium
| neptunijum
| нептунијум
| neptunij
|-
| 94
| Pu
| plutonium
| plutoniium
| jinmrplutoni
| plutoni'o
| plutonium
| Plutonio
| plutónium
| plutonijum
| плутонијум
| plutonij
|-
| 95
| Am
| americium
| americiium
| merjinme
|
| americium
| Americio
| amerícium
| americijum
| америцијум
| americij
|-
| 96
| Cm
| curium
| kuriium
| jinmrkuri
|
| curium
| Curio
| kűrium
| kirijum
| киријум
| curij
|-
| 97
| Bk
| berkelium
| berkeliium
| jinmrberkeli
| berkeli'o
| berkelium
| Berkelio
| berkélium
| berklijum
| берклијум
| berkelij
|-
| 98
| Cf
| californium
| kaliforniium
| jinmrkaliforni
|
| californium
| Californio
| kalifornium
| kalifornijum
| калифорнијум
| kalifornij
|-
| 99
| Es
| einsteinium
| einsteiniium
| jinmrtainctaini
| ainctaini'o
| einsteinium
| Einstenio
| einsteinium
| ajnštajnijum
| ајнштајнијум
| einsteinij
|-
| 100
| Fm
| fermium
| fermiium
| jinmrfermi
| fermi'o
| fermium
| Fermio
| fermium
| fermijum
| фермијум
| fermij
|-
| 101
| Md
| mendelevium
| mendeleviium
| jinmrmendelevi
| mendelevi'o
| mendelevium
| Mendelevio
| mendelévium
| mendeljevijum
| мендељевијум
| mendelevij
|-
| 102
| No
| nobelium
| nobeliium
| jinmrnobeli
|
| nobelium
| Nobelio
| nobélium
| nobelijum
| нобелијум
| nobelij
|-
| 103
| Lr
| lawrencium
| laurenciium
| jinmrlorensi
|
| lawrencium
| Lawrencio
| laurencium
| lorencijum
| лоренцијум
| lawrencij
|-
| 104
| (Ku)
| (kurchatovium / rutherfordium)
| (kurtcatoviium / ruterfordiium)
| jinmlruterfordi
|
| unnilquadium
|
| unnilkvádium
| unilkvadijum
| унилквадијум
| unnilkvadij
|-
| 105
| (Ha)
| (hahnium)
| (xaniium)
| jinmrdubni
|
| unnilpentium
|
| unnilpentium
| unilpentijum
| унилпентијум
| unnilpentij
|-
| 106
| (Sg)
| (seaborgium)
| (siborgiium)
| jinmrsiborgi
|
| unnilhexium
|
| unnilhexium
| unilheksijum
| унилхексијум
| unnilheksij
|-
| 107
| (Ns)
| (nielsbohrium)
| (nielsboriium)
| jinmrbori
|
| unnilseptium
|
| unnilszeptium
| unilseptijum
| унилсептијум
| unnilseptij
|-
| 108
| (Hs)
| (hassium)
| (xasiium)
| jinmrxasi
|
| unniloctium
|
| unniloktium
| uniloktijum
| унилоктијум
| unniloktij
|-
| 109
| (Mt)
| (meitnerium)
| (meitneriium)
| jinmrmaitneri
|
| unnilennium
|
| unnilennium
| unilenijum
| униленијум
| unnilenij
|-
| 110
| Uun
| ununnilium
| ununiliium
| jinmrdarmctati
|
| ununnilium
|
| ununnilium
| ununilijum
| унунилијум
| ununnilij
|-
| 111
| Uuu
| unununium
| unununiium
|
|
| unununium
| Ununio
| unununium
| unununijum
| унунунијум
| unununij
|-
| 112
| Uub
| ununbium
| ununbiium
|
|
| ununbium
| Ununbio
| ununbium
| ununbijum
| унунбијум
| ununbij
|-
| 114
| Uuq
| ununquadium
| ununkuadiium
|
|
| ununquadium
| Ununquadio
| ununkvádium
| ununkvadijum
| унунквадијум
| ununkvadij
|-
| 116
| Uuh
| ununhexium
| ununxeksiium
|
|
| ununhexium
| Ununhexio
| ununhexium
| ununheksijum
| унунхексијум
| ununheksij
|-
| 118
| Uuo
| ununoctium
| ununoktiium
|
|
| ununoctium
| Ununoctio
| ununoktium
| ununoktijum
| унуноктијум
| ununoktij
|}