fundamentalism

2016-10-05T21:39:24Z

Jawit-kien: fixed typo: herecy -> heresy

{{se inspekte/en}}''Fundamentalism'' is a value held, orthogonally to [[hardliners|hardlinerism]], which states that the Lojban [[baseline|baseline]] (where it is unambiguous and has not been overwhelmingly trumped by usage) is inviolable, and attempts to revise it through proposal (or even, in extreme cases, through usage) are unwelcome.

The label ''fundamentalism'', while jocular and alluding to schools of literalist thought, is actually intended as an allusion to the ''Fundamento de Esperanto'', the [[Esperanto]] counterpart of the [[baseline|baseline]], which has served as a similar rallying point in that language's history.

The antonym is ''tinkering'' or ''heresy''.

However, people who dislike the baseline may still choose to adhere to it, and shouldn't be conflated with those who think the language must evolve unfettered by any baseline (which is actually pretty much [[Lojban Central|Lojban Central]]'s official position).

===Counterexamples===
* '''ka''' is an example of a word overwhelmingly trumped by usage.

===Discussion===
* [[.djorden.|.djorden.]]
** Right after a statement close to that, however, [[And Rosta|And Rosta]] says "... I am in favour of anything that subverts the baseline ...". Can we use an antonymn along the lines of "saboteur" zo'o? [[Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]] believe [[Lojban Central|Lojban Central]]'s position is a bit closer to one of the baseline ruling until there are enough speakers (at level of fluency greater than any current speakers have) to allow a more natural (very slow) language evolution.
* [[Jay Kominek|Jay:]]
** Thats a reasonable, though heavily abbreviated of my actual position. I am, however, willing to entertain changes to the semantics which are pushed through usage. (Of course, to convince me of a meaningful amount of usage, you'd have to write at least a novella with your usage... Didn't say it'd be easy. :)
* [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion:]]
** Oh, I'd say 'semantic change unwelcome' is an extreme flavour of fundamentalism. As in, heavy duty [[hardliners|hardliner]] fundamentalism -- more hardliner than I'm prepared to go, too. But on some semantic issues, I can see some (possibly including me) saying "no, you can't start using that meaning, it's against the baseline." More of an issue for cmavo than gismu, of course.
* As a result of the former paragraph, if someone resists a usage rather than a proposal that potentially violates the baseline, particularly where the baseline is at its quishiest (gismu [[place structure|place structures]]), are they being a fundamentalist - or insane?
** [[User:Nick Nicholas|nitcion]]
*** probably the latter...

UserWiki:Jawit-kien

2016-10-05T15:57:26Z

Jawit-kien: Introducing myself

I'm a researcher in Artificial Intelligence.

I have been interested in Loglan since I read a very old book by Robert Heinlein named ''The Moon is a Harsh Mistress''. It was supposed to be the Programming Language for Mycroft the AI in the book.

There are very few people in my country (Malaysia) who are knowledgeable about AI. Maybe there are some in the University, but I'm self taught about much of this. Only what I can find on the Internet, or read in books.

Recently I learned about Lojban, and am excited to see that this is a real language by people who are interested in this as much as I am.

I don't know how to speak Lojban yet, but am fascinated by the idea.

Thanks,
Jawit Kien
jawit.kien@gmail.com

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