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Alternate orthographies

2025-05-28T09:29:38Z

Gustek: Fix dead link to Hebrew orthography

{{See_also|Lojban Ideography}}
{{See also|Lojban orthographies}}
{{See_also|Technical Issues With Alternate Orthographies}}
== Latin ==
*A [[Loglan]]-compatible orthography for the purposes of reapproachment with the [[TLI|TLI]] has been proposed<ref>http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9602/msg00071.html</ref>. Since the reapproachment never eventuated, the proposal is in limbo.
*[[And Rosta]] is notorious for using (but only prior to the baseline and publication of [[Codex Woldemar|Woldy]]!) and [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]] is still sympathetic to, [[apostropheless alternative orthographies]].
*It's been proposed to use acute ('''´''') and grave ('''`''') accent marks instead of those ugly capitals in order to mark stress. It's not ASCII, but it's still Latin-1
*[[Capitals as letter names]]
*[[Lojban calligraphy|Lojban calligraphy]]
*[[la krulermorna]]

== Extant Scripts ==
* [[Hanzi orthography]]
* [[The Book|CLL]] describes a Cyrillic orthography for Lojban, devised by [[Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]]. The equivalences are as you'd expect; '''y''' is represented by ъ (the hard sign, as in Bulgarian). As originally designed, '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' was represented by ь (the soft sign), but in the Book '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' is used unchanged. Period and comma are also unchanged.
*[[Hebrew Orthography]] by [[Adam]] & [[.aulun.]] finally based on Yiddish writing conventions (proving to be best for Lojban).
*[[Arabic Orthography|Arabic Orthography]]<ref>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/1fe6b70c875c3a2b</ref> by [[.filip.]]
*[[Arabic Orthography]] by [[Gustek|.gustek.]]
*orthography for [[estrangela]] by [[.kreig.daniyl.]]
*A [[katakana orthography|Katakana]] orthography is being mooted.
** About to lose his last sense for rationality, [[.aulun.]] pondered about a [[Hiragana|Hiragana]] script for Lojban.
** Katakana and Hiragana could be mixed too which would be even more weird.
** A kana alphabet for Lojban by Mediator64 can be found on [[la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban]]
*[[Mongolian|Mongolian]] orthography
* [[Manchu orthography|Manchu]] orthography
*[[Devanagari orthography|Devanagari]] orthography
*[[Hangul|Hangul]] orthography
*[https://gustek.srht.site/ramblings.html#xeblermorna Hebrew] orthography
*[[Georgian Orthography|Georgian]] <nowiki/>orthography
*[[jbopomofo|jbopomofo]]
**[[lo jbopomofo]] is another proposal by Mediator64
*The Tibetan script may be used to write lojban according to [[lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban]] by Mediator64
==Fictional Scripts==
*The [http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/relipper/tolkien/rootpage.html Tolkien] script [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4948/tengwar/index.htm Tengwar] has been [[Tengwar|proposed as another way of writing Lojban]]. The proposal originally came from prominent ex-Lojbanist [http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/ Eric Raymond], which has made its repute spread far and wide.
**"[[Why Tengwar?]]", a discussion on whether this is a Good Thing.
*[[Apollonian alphabet|Apollonian alphabet]]
*[[Verdurian orthography|Verdurian orthography]] by [[pne|pne]]

==Original Scripts==
*[[srilermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]
*[[zbalermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]
*[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9a0a9c276e6f8f1f larlermorna] by [[User:Lindar|Lindar]]
*[https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiofPj-7nZpwdHppa3oxU2hGUDdQSWxmZDhaWTdBaUE&hl=en&authkey=CJyrpOQD Ctino's version] of [http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html Elian script]
*[https://gist.github.com/TUSF/d85c3d241c90fede0ea7065ed1107fd5 Valbli] - A draft for a block writing system, designed for Lojban

==Related silliness==
*[[R2D2 Lojban]]
*[[Proper Lojban Orthography|Proper Lojban Orthography]]
*[[Hungarian orthography]]
==References==
<references />

Alternate orthographies

2023-04-14T15:29:41Z

Gustek: /* Extant Scripts */

{{See_also|Lojban Ideography}}
{{See also|Lojban orthographies}}
{{See_also|Technical Issues With Alternate Orthographies}}
== Latin ==
*A [[Loglan]]-compatible orthography for the purposes of reapproachment with the [[TLI|TLI]] has been proposed<ref>http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9602/msg00071.html</ref>. Since the reapproachment never eventuated, the proposal is in limbo.
*[[And Rosta]] is notorious for using (but only prior to the baseline and publication of [[Codex Woldemar|Woldy]]!) and [[User:Mark Shoulson|Mark Shoulson]] is still sympathetic to, [[apostropheless alternative orthographies]].
*It's been proposed to use acute ('''´''') and grave ('''`''') accent marks instead of those ugly capitals in order to mark stress. It's not ASCII, but it's still Latin-1
*[[Capitals as letter names]]
*[[Lojban calligraphy|Lojban calligraphy]]
*[[la krulermorna]]

== Extant Scripts ==
* [[Hanzi orthography]]
* [[The Book|CLL]] describes a Cyrillic orthography for Lojban, devised by [[Ivan Derzhanski|Ivan Derzhanski]]. The equivalences are as you'd expect; '''y''' is represented by ъ (the hard sign, as in Bulgarian). As originally designed, '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' was represented by ь (the soft sign), but in the Book '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' is used unchanged. Period and comma are also unchanged.
*[[Hebrew Orthography]] by [[Adam]] & [[.aulun.]] finally based on Yiddish writing conventions (proving to be best for Lojban).
*[[Arabic Orthography|Arabic Orthography]]<ref>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/1fe6b70c875c3a2b</ref> by [[.filip.]]
*[[Arabic Orthography]] by [[Gustek|.gustek.]]
*orthography for [[estrangela]] by [[.kreig.daniyl.]]
*A [[katakana orthography|Katakana]] orthography is being mooted.
** About to lose his last sense for rationality, [[.aulun.]] pondered about a [[Hiragana|Hiragana]] script for Lojban.
** Katakana and Hiragana could be mixed too which would be even more weird.
** A kana alphabet for Lojban by Mediator64 can be found on [[la kanas cu vlaleci'e la lojban]]
*[[Mongolian|Mongolian]] orthography
* [[Manchu orthography|Manchu]] orthography
*[[Devanagari orthography|Devanagari]] orthography
*[[Hangul|Hangul]] orthography
*[https://gustek.srht.site/#semitic-orthographies-lojban Hebrew] orthography
*[[Georgian Orthography|Georgian ]]<nowiki/>orthography
*[[jbopomofo|jbopomofo]]
**[[lo jbopomofo]] is another proposal by Mediator64
*The Tibetan script may be used to write lojban according to [[lo jungoxuzu selyle'u cu vlaleci'e la lojban]] by Mediator64
== Fictional Scripts ==
*The [http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/relipper/tolkien/rootpage.html Tolkien] script [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/4948/tengwar/index.htm Tengwar] has been [[Tengwar|proposed as another way of writing Lojban]]. The proposal originally came from prominent ex-Lojbanist [http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/ Eric Raymond], which has made its repute spread far and wide.
**"[[Why Tengwar?]]", a discussion on whether this is a Good Thing.
*[[Apollonian alphabet|Apollonian alphabet]]
*[[Verdurian orthography|Verdurian orthography]] by [[pne|pne]]

== Original Scripts ==
*[[srilermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]
* [[zbalermorna]] noi se finti la [[User:Kmir|kmir]]
*[http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9a0a9c276e6f8f1f larlermorna] by [[User:Lindar|Lindar]]
*[https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiofPj-7nZpwdHppa3oxU2hGUDdQSWxmZDhaWTdBaUE&hl=en&authkey=CJyrpOQD Ctino's version] of [http://www.ccelian.com/ElianScriptFull.html Elian script]
* [https://gist.github.com/TUSF/d85c3d241c90fede0ea7065ed1107fd5 Valbli] - A draft for a block writing system, designed for Lojban

== Related silliness ==
* [[R2D2 Lojban]]
* [[Proper Lojban Orthography|Proper Lojban Orthography]]
* [[Hungarian orthography]]
==References==
<references />

Lojban orthographies

2023-04-14T15:25:46Z

Gustek: Add Hebrew Orthography

{{See also|Alternate orthographies}}
{{See also|punctuation}}

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| Name
! scope="col" style="width: 580px; vertical-align: top" | Text Sample
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! scope="col" style="width: 300px;" | Comments
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Standard orthography
| le fasnu

le fonxa cu sanga .i la .alis goi ko'a frati la'edi'u lenu cpacu le fonxa .i ko'a kerlo ganse lu coi. .alis. .i mi du la rik. .i .a'o do kanro li'u .i lu coidoi rik. .i .ia mi kanro .i .a'o do go'i li'u .i lu .ia .i mi djica lonu djuno lenu do ba kansa mi le gusta ke vanci sanmi ca la zedjed. poi balvi jibni .i .a'o mi'o te tigni li'u

.i ko'a spusku lu ko denpa .i mi nitcu lenu catlu lemi detri liste .y .y .y .i mi zifre .i .au mi kansa .i ma tcika li'u

.i la rik. goi ko'e spusku lu mi ba cpedu lo gusta jubme ca la xacac. .i .au do djica cuxna da poi fasnu .i pei skina .i pei zgike tigni .i pei xajmi tigni .i pei draci .i pei dansu li'u

.i la .alis. spusku lu mi nelci loi zgike draci .i .i'a .au la lemizerABL. se tigni ca ta .i mi nelci loi nu dansu li'u<ref>http://arj.nvg.org/lojban/orthography.html</ref>
|
|
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Rapprochement orthography
| Le fasnu

Le fonha cu sanga. I la Alis, goi koha frati lahedihu lenu cpacu le fonha. I koha kerlo ganse lu Coi Alis. I mi du la Rik. I, aho do kanro lihu. I lu Coidoi Rik. I, ia mi kanro. I, aho do gohi lihu. I lu, ia. I mi djica lonu djuno lenu do ba kansa mi le gusta ke vanci sanmi ca la Zedjed, poi balvi jibni. I, aho miho te tigni lihu.

I koha spusku lu Ko denpa. I mi nitcu lenu catlu lemi detri liste. Y. Y. Y. I mi zifre. I, au mi kansa. I ma tcika lihu.

I la Rik, goi kohe spusku lu Mi ba cpedu lo gusta jubme ca la Hacac. I, au do djica cuhna da poi fasnu. I pei skina. I pei zgike tigni. I pei hajmi tigni. I pei draci. I pei dansu. lihu.

I la Alis, spusku lu Mi nelci loi zgike draci. I, iha, au la Lemizer'abl, se tigni ca ta. I mi nelci loi nu dansu li'u.
|
| This orthography was suggested as a new orthography for the common Loglan/Lojban language, in the event of a rapproachment between LLG and TLI. The rapproachment never took place, and the orthography has only been used on the Lojban mailing list, by a couple of people.<ref>http://arj.nvg.org/lojban/orthography.html</ref>
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Cyrillic orthography
| лэ фасну

лэ фонха шу санга .и ла .алис гои ко'а фрати ла'эди'у лэну шпашу лэ фонха .и ко'а кэрло гансэ лу шои. .алис. .и ми ду ла рик. .и .а'о до канро ли'у .и лу шоидои рик. .и .иа ми канро .и а'о до го'и ли'у

.и лу .иа,.и ми джиша лону джуно лэну до ба канса ми лэ густа кэ ванши санми ша ла зэджэд. пои балви жибни .и .а'о ми'о тэ тигни ли'у .и ко'а спуску лу ко дэнпа .и ми нитшу лэну шатлу лэми дэтри листэ .ъ .ъ .ъ
.и ми зифрэ .и .ау ми канса .и ма тшика ли'у

.и ла рик. гои ко'э спуску лу ми ба шпэду ло густа жубмэ ша ла хашаш. .и .ау до джиша
шухна да пои фасну .и пэи скина .и пэи згикэ тигни .и пэи хажми тигни .и пэи драши .и пэи дансу ли'у

.и ла .алис. спуску лу ми нэлши лои згикэ драши .и .и'а.ау ла лэмизэрАБЛ. сэ тигни
ша та .и ми нэлши лои ну дансу ли'у
| https://lojban.github.io/cll/3/12/
| Used in a Russian brochure about Lojban that Bob LeChevalier handed out during a visit to Russia.
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Tengwar orthography
| [[File:le-fasnu-tengwar.gif]]
| Mentioned briefly in the CLL: https://lojban.github.io/cll/3/12/
| An orthography with the Tengwar of Feanor, a fictional writing system invented by J. R. R. Tolkien.
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| European (Arnt Richard Johansen version)
| Le fasnu

Le fonha cu sanga. I la Alis, goi koha, frati lahedihu lenu cpacu le fonha. I koha kerlo ganse «Coi Alis! I mi du la Rik. I, aho do kanro.» I «Coidoi Rik! I, ia mi kanro. I, aho do gohi.» I, «Ia. I mi djica lonu djuno, lenu do ba kansa mi le gusta ke vanci sanmi ca la Zedjed, poi balvi jibni. I, aho miho te tigni.»

I koha spusku «Ko denpa. I mi nitcu lenu catlu lemi detri liste. Y. Y. Y. I mi zifre. I, au mi kansa. I ma tcika?»

I la Rik, goi kohe spusku «Mi ba cpedu lo gusta jubme ca la Hacac. I, au do djica cuhna da poi fasnu. I pei skina? I pei zgike tigni? I pei hajmi tigni? I pei draci? I pei dansu?»

I la Alis, spusku «Mi nelci loi zgike draci. I, iha, au la Lemizerábl, se tigni ca ta. I mi nelci loi nu dansu.»
|
| Arnt Richard Johansen: "This is an example of how Lojban might look if it was written with the same conventions as the European natural languages."<ref>http://arj.nvg.org/lojban/orthography.html</ref>
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Alice in Wonderland orthography
|
ni'o ca lo nu .abu cusku lo di'u valsi kei lo jamfu be .abu cu sakli .i ba zi ku lo nu jaurjanli zo'u: .abu jinru lo silna djacu fe'e co'u lo firji'o .i pa moi sidbo fa lo nu .abu ba'o farlu lo xamsi .i «lu va'o la'e di'u mi ka'e xrukla fu lo trene —sei .abu sezysku— li'u» (to la .alis. pu klama lo xamsi korbi pa roi lo nunjmive gi'e ja'e bo jinvi lo du'u ro pagbu be lo glico korbi cu se zvati so'o jinru minji noi nenri lo xamsi ku'o .e so'o verba noi kakpa lo canre lo loldi lo mudri canpa ku'o .e lo porsi be fi lo xotli be'o .e lo trene tcana noi trixe py toi)
| Equivalent to the standard orthography with the following additions:
* '''lu''' and '''li'u''' are always written '''«lu''' and '''li'u»'''
* '''to''' and '''toi''' are written '''(to''' and '''toi)'''
* '''sei''' clauses are surrounded by em dashes, e.g. '''—sei la .alis. cu cusku—'''
* words following '''ba'e''' are italicized, e.g. '''na ba'e ''mutce'' lo ka cizra'''
| Used in works such as Alice in Wonderland, Snow White and The Wizard of Oz.
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Cowan's [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9205/msg00000.html alternative orthography]
| mi na certu le se zajbrrnatleta I kui mi coa jimpe lenu mi poi xelso cu noe snada tua le la Olimpik nunjvi pevi la Tokios I saunai mi nuo zmadu zoepecaaku leni snada I tie le mulno nizyjia cu te zmadu mi le gugdrrkorea kuceo le gugdrrnafganistana kuceo le gugdrrkenia kuceo le gugdrrtrinidada kuceo le xanto denci xaskoi gugde I kui mi zmadu u,a le gugdrrlixtenctaine I lenu go,i cu pluka nuzba I zmadu pluka fao le nuo nu le gugdrrlixtenctaine cu se nunjvi la Olimpik
| The alternative orthography makes the following substitutions.

1) The letter x is replaced in all uses by h. It is useful to emphasize
here that this does not represent a change in pronunciation.

2) The diphthong au is replaced by ao.

3) The apostrophe, which in the standard orthography is used only between
vowels, is replaced in the following ways:

3a) In a'a a'e a'u e'a e'e e'o e'u o'a o'e o'o o'u,
it is dropped, producing aa ae au ea ee eo eu oa oe oo ou.

3b) In a'i a'o e'i o'i, it is replaced by comma,
producing a,i a,o e,i o,i.

3c) In i'a i'e i'i i'o i'u u'a u'e u'i u'o u'u, it is
dropped, producing ia ie ii io iu ua ue ui uo uu; except that
when appearing stand-alone, and in names and borrowings,
it is replaced by comma, producing i,a i,e i,i i,o i,u
u,a u,e u,i u,o u,u.

4) Capitalization is used for the first letter of names, and for the cmavo
".i", which is written "I".

5) Periods before words are dropped.

6) Periods after words are replaced by comma. This comma cannot be confused
with the comma of 3b and 3c, because that cannot appear at the end of a word.
However, periods at the end of names are dropped.

7) Syllabic r l m n are written rr ll mm nn, and need not be set off by
comma.

8) Other uses of comma are retained. When doubt arises whether a comma
represents a voiced or a voiceless glide, the voiceless glide is preferred.

9) Stress is indicated by an apostrophe following the vowel of the stressed
syllable.
| Cowan: "Obviously, the alternative orthography is much more "context-sensitive" than the standard orthography. Two consecutive vowels in the standard orthography always represent a diphthong; in the alternative orthography, they may represent a diphthong, two syllables with a voiceless glide, or two syllables with a voiced glide, depending on the particular two vowels and on the kind of word in which they appear. On the other hand, thedifference between syllabic and consonantal r l m n is clearly marked in the alternative orthography."
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Diacritical orthography
| ŭa la .dòrotis. cu spusku zo ĭe lo tciŭaŭa
|
* The glide versions of '''u''' and '''i''' are written '''ŭ''' and '''ĭ''' respectively.
* Stress, when shown, is always marked using either a grave or acute accent, and never via capitalization, e.g. '''dòrotis'''
| This orthography can easily be combined with other orthographies.
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| European 2
| Na ku la `Loglan` cu jai bau casnu. `I kuhi zo «zuhi» jaha drani. `I lo ka ni la Jboguhe cu cmalu cu banzuni lo nu sohe nu tavla cu nu tavla zuhi.
|
* The glottal stop is written '''`'''. cmevla are surrounded by '''`''' and can be capitalized, e.g. '''la `Djan`'''
* Dot and comma are used as punctuation. Dots end sentences, comma can be used as is common in many european languages: '''Mi rinsa do, noi pendo mi.'''
* The first letter of every sentence (almost always '''.i''') is capitalized: '''`I mi tugni.'''
* The apostrophe ' is written '''h'''.
|
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Standard Lojban orthography with punctuation hybrid
|
.i ze'a pi ro lo nunkei, la noltruni'u no roi de'a damba lo drata kelci gi'e no roi de'a krixa «lu ko lo stedu ta vimcu li'u», ja «lu ko lo stedu tu vimcu li'u». .i lo se dapma be ny cu se pifygau lo sonci, noi li'a de'a bargu. .i ba za lo cacra be li ji'i pi mu, ge no bargu cu zvati, gi ro lo kelci po'u na'e bo la noltrunau, ja la noltruni'u, ja la .àlis. cu pinfu gi'e se dapma fi lo nu se selmi'ecatra. .i ba bo la noltruni'u cu tatpi cliva gi'e cusku fi la .alis. fe «lu xu do pu viska la jitfa cakyrespa li'u».

.i «lu na go'i —sei la .àlis. cu cusku— .i mi na djuno ji'a sai, lo du'u ma kau jitfa cakyrespa li'u»

.i «lu te zbasu lo jitfa cakyrespa bo stasu —sei la noltruni'u cu cusku— li'u»

.i «lu mi pu no roi ga viska cy, gi se tavla fi cy —sei la .àlis. cu cusku— li'u»

.i «lu .e'e mi'o klama —sei la noltruni'u cu cusku— .i ba lisri cy ri do li'u»

.i la .àlis. ca lo nu cliva cadzu cu tirna lo nu la noltrunau cu lauble voksa cusku fi lo zvati fe «lu ca'e ro do se fraxu li'u». .i «lu ri'e la'e ba'e ''di'u'' xamgu li'u», se sezysku la .àlis. .i ri pu cinmo lo nu tolgei, lo nu la noltruni'u cu minde xo kau nuncatra.
|
This follows the Alice in Wonderland orthography, with the following additions:
* Dot and comma are used as punctuation. Dots end sentences, while the comma is used to mark phrasal boundaries.
* Stress, when shown, is always marked using either a grave or acute accent, and never via capitalization, e.g. '''dòrotis'''
* Sometimes, a separate letter or symbol is used for glottal stops so that it remains different from the full stop at the end of a sentence. A variety of methods have been tried out, from using '''q''' to mark glottal stops, to using special diacritics. Sometimes only the glottal stops that surround cmevla are replaced with something else, while words like '''.i''' remain untouched. Example: '''.i la ḳèmac̣ pu cliva.'''
| The purpose of this orthography is easier readability, which is important especially when reading longer pieces of text, while trying to retain the familiar feel of the standard orthography, which explains the lack of capitalization.
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| [[Hungarian orthography]]
|
'le fasznu

'le fonhasu szangaila .alisz.gojkohaf ratilahedihulenus pasule fonhaikoha kerlo ganszelusoj .alisz.imidula .rik.iahodo kanrolihuilusojdoj .rik.ijjami kanroiahodogohilihuilujjaimid zsisalonud zsunolenudoba kanszamile gusztake vansi szanmisala. zedzsed.poj balvi zsibniiahomihote tignilihu

'ikohasz pudazoheluko denpaimi nicsulenu satlulemi detri liszteyyyimi zifreiawmi kanszaima csikalihu

'ila .rik.gojkohesz pudazohelumibas pedulo guszta zsubmesala.hasas.iawdod zsisa suhnadapoj fasznuipejsz kinaipejz gike tigniipej hazsmi tigniipeid rasiipej danszulihu

'ila .alisz. danfulumi nelsilojz giked rasiiihaawla.lemizer abl.sze tignisataimi nelsilojnu danszulihu
|
* Sibilants work in the expected way (''c'' and ''cs'' also exist, just to be annoying).
* The vowels are the same as in the standard Lojban orthography.
* ''j'' and ''w'' are used to indicate semivowels. When these letters are doubled, they indicate initial rather than final glides.
* Lojban /'/ is indicated by ''h'' between two vowels. Lojban /x/ is denoted ''hh'' between two vowels and ''h'' elsewhere.
* As in Hungarian, 'words' are stressed on the first syllable. This is what messes up actual word boundaries so dramatically. Moreover, a word cannot begin with a consonant cluster, also like in Hungarian. An apostrophe at the beginning of a text indicates that the first syllable in it is not stressed.
|
An intentionally inconvenient orthography that divides words based on stress rather than meaning. Not intended as an improvement of the standard orthography, but may be interesting to see how it affects one's ability to read.
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| [[Devanagari orthography]]
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पु ष़ेहु से जुनो लै ष़ेहु रेंवि गिहे से झ़िझ़्नु शा ले तेम्शि बे ले नु ले ज़ेना शा झ़्मिवे वाु फ़ा ले दुहु ले ब्रादि बे ले ला त्लुंरानां· बा क्लामा रि

[[Image:xinlermorna-preview-V0.6.png|thumb]]

(Corresponding Latin: pu ze'u se djuno lei ze'u renvi gi'e se jijnu ca le temci be le nu le dzena ca jmive vau fa le du'u le bradi be le la tlunranan. ba klama ri)
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* all the inherent vowels /ə/ are reserved as '''y''' in Lojban, suppressing is not allowed without being explicitly marked as such (with ्) or being the last letter of word.
* letter '''ष़''' /ɭə/ is assigned the value '''/zə/'''
* letter '''ज़''' /zə/ is assigned the value '''/ʣə/'''
* others are used as in Hindi, for the details, please read the [[Media:xinlermorna-V0.6.pdf|xinlermorna specification]]
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This is represent with xinlermorna as described at [[devanagari_orthography]], here's an online transliteration tool: https://vitovan.com/xinlermorna-transliteration/
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| [[Arabic Orthography]]
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ئ لَ ءضٍرٍتِسء شُ خبژ لٍ مضژ بً لٍ گنر سسته پً لَ ءكَنزَسء فِهٍ كنس لَ نكفمت ءخًنرِسء كُ نٍاِ تً شنگ كُهٍ ءاً لَ فتفمت ءاًمء كُ نٍاِ سپن لٍ تً شنگ إ لٍ زضن شُ شمل كِهُ لٍ نُ لٍ مضر پٍاِ زٌ كًهَ زلزب شُ ژَاِ سرش فَاِ لٍ كَ لٍ شرش شُ بور شًهُ وًهَ لٍ منل بً لِ سٍهِ
[[Image:rablermorna-preview-V0.1.png|thumb]]

(Corresponding Latin: ni'o la .dorotis. cu xabju lo midju be lo ganra sastu'a pe la .kanzas. fi'o kansa la nakfamti .xenris. ku noi te cange ku'o .e la fetfamti .em. ku noi speni lo te cange .i lo zdani cu cmalu ki'u lo nu lo mudri poi zy ke'a zilzba cu jai sarcu fai lo ka lo carce cu bevri ce'u ve'a lo minli be li so'i)
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* When a word have more than one consonants, vowels are allowed to be dropped (unvocalised).
* Diphthongs are just sequences of vowels, except they are not allowed to be dropped.
* Diphthongs will always be vocalised, and the second vowel of diphthong is carried by letter ا.
* For the details, please read the [[Media:rablermorna-V0.1.pdf|rablermorna specification]]
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This is represent with rablermorna as described at [[Arabic_Orthography]], and an online transliteration tool is here: https://vitovan.com/rablermorna-transliteration/
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|Improved [[Arabic Orthography]]
|نيحۆ لا ءضۆرۆتيسء شو خابجو لۆ ميدجو به لۆ گانرا ساستوحا په لا ءكانزاسء فيحۆ كانسا لا ناكفامتي ءخهنريسء كو نۆي ته شانگه كوحۆ ءه لا فهتفامتي ءهمء كو نۆي سپهني لۆ ته شانگه ئ لۆ زضاني شو شمالو كيحو لۆ نو لۆ موضري پۆي زى كهحا زيلزبا شو جاي سارشو فاي لۆ كا لۆ شارشه شو بهڤري شهحو ڤهحا لۆ مينلي به لي سۆحي
(Corresponding Latin: ni'o la .dorotis. cu xabju lo midju be lo ganra sastu'a pe la .kanzas. fi'o kansa la nakfamti .xenris. ku noi te cange ku'o .e la fetfamti .em. ku noi speni lo te cange .i lo zdani cu cmalu ki'u lo nu lo mudri poi zy ke'a zilzba cu jai sarcu fai lo ka lo carce cu bevri ce'u ve'a lo minli be li so'i)
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|See [[Arabic Orthography]].
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|Hebrew Orthography
|פֻּ‎ ז‎ֵהֻ‎ שֵׂ דּ‎ג‎ֻ‎ן‎ֹ לֵי ז‎ֵהֻ‎ רֵנבִ גּ‎ִהֵ שֵׂ ג‎ִג‎נֻ‎ שׁ‎ַ לֵ תּ‎ֵמשׁ‎ִ בֵּ לֵ נֻ‎ לֵ דּ‎ז‎ֵנַ שׁ‎ַ ג‎מִבֵ בַופַ לֵדּ‎ֻ‎הֻ‎ לֵ בּרַדּ‎ִ בֵּ לֵ שֵׂ נֵי בַּ כּלַמַ לַ תּ‎לֻ‎נרַנַנא
(Corresponding Latin: pu ze'u se djuno lei ze'u renvi gi'e se jijnu ca le temci be le nu le dzena ca jmive vaufa ledu'u le bradi be le se nei ba klama la tlunranan.)
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|See [https://gustek.srht.site/#semitic-orthographies-lojban Hebrew Orthography]
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==References==
<references/>

Lojban orthographies

2023-04-13T20:05:04Z

Gustek: Add the Improved Arabic Orthography

{{See also|Alternate orthographies}}
{{See also|punctuation}}

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! scope="col" style="width: 580px; vertical-align: top" | Text Sample
! scope="col" style="width: 500px;" | Rules
! scope="col" style="width: 300px;" | Comments
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| Standard orthography
| le fasnu

le fonxa cu sanga .i la .alis goi ko'a frati la'edi'u lenu cpacu le fonxa .i ko'a kerlo ganse lu coi. .alis. .i mi du la rik. .i .a'o do kanro li'u .i lu coidoi rik. .i .ia mi kanro .i .a'o do go'i li'u .i lu .ia .i mi djica lonu djuno lenu do ba kansa mi le gusta ke vanci sanmi ca la zedjed. poi balvi jibni .i .a'o mi'o te tigni li'u

.i ko'a spusku lu ko denpa .i mi nitcu lenu catlu lemi detri liste .y .y .y .i mi zifre .i .au mi kansa .i ma tcika li'u

.i la rik. goi ko'e spusku lu mi ba cpedu lo gusta jubme ca la xacac. .i .au do djica cuxna da poi fasnu .i pei skina .i pei zgike tigni .i pei xajmi tigni .i pei draci .i pei dansu li'u

.i la .alis. spusku lu mi nelci loi zgike draci .i .i'a .au la lemizerABL. se tigni ca ta .i mi nelci loi nu dansu li'u<ref>http://arj.nvg.org/lojban/orthography.html</ref>
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|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Rapprochement orthography
| Le fasnu

Le fonha cu sanga. I la Alis, goi koha frati lahedihu lenu cpacu le fonha. I koha kerlo ganse lu Coi Alis. I mi du la Rik. I, aho do kanro lihu. I lu Coidoi Rik. I, ia mi kanro. I, aho do gohi lihu. I lu, ia. I mi djica lonu djuno lenu do ba kansa mi le gusta ke vanci sanmi ca la Zedjed, poi balvi jibni. I, aho miho te tigni lihu.

I koha spusku lu Ko denpa. I mi nitcu lenu catlu lemi detri liste. Y. Y. Y. I mi zifre. I, au mi kansa. I ma tcika lihu.

I la Rik, goi kohe spusku lu Mi ba cpedu lo gusta jubme ca la Hacac. I, au do djica cuhna da poi fasnu. I pei skina. I pei zgike tigni. I pei hajmi tigni. I pei draci. I pei dansu. lihu.

I la Alis, spusku lu Mi nelci loi zgike draci. I, iha, au la Lemizer'abl, se tigni ca ta. I mi nelci loi nu dansu li'u.
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| This orthography was suggested as a new orthography for the common Loglan/Lojban language, in the event of a rapproachment between LLG and TLI. The rapproachment never took place, and the orthography has only been used on the Lojban mailing list, by a couple of people.<ref>http://arj.nvg.org/lojban/orthography.html</ref>
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| Cyrillic orthography
| лэ фасну

лэ фонха шу санга .и ла .алис гои ко'а фрати ла'эди'у лэну шпашу лэ фонха .и ко'а кэрло гансэ лу шои. .алис. .и ми ду ла рик. .и .а'о до канро ли'у .и лу шоидои рик. .и .иа ми канро .и а'о до го'и ли'у

.и лу .иа,.и ми джиша лону джуно лэну до ба канса ми лэ густа кэ ванши санми ша ла зэджэд. пои балви жибни .и .а'о ми'о тэ тигни ли'у .и ко'а спуску лу ко дэнпа .и ми нитшу лэну шатлу лэми дэтри листэ .ъ .ъ .ъ
.и ми зифрэ .и .ау ми канса .и ма тшика ли'у

.и ла рик. гои ко'э спуску лу ми ба шпэду ло густа жубмэ ша ла хашаш. .и .ау до джиша
шухна да пои фасну .и пэи скина .и пэи згикэ тигни .и пэи хажми тигни .и пэи драши .и пэи дансу ли'у

.и ла .алис. спуску лу ми нэлши лои згикэ драши .и .и'а.ау ла лэмизэрАБЛ. сэ тигни
ша та .и ми нэлши лои ну дансу ли'у
| https://lojban.github.io/cll/3/12/
| Used in a Russian brochure about Lojban that Bob LeChevalier handed out during a visit to Russia.
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| Tengwar orthography
| [[File:le-fasnu-tengwar.gif]]
| Mentioned briefly in the CLL: https://lojban.github.io/cll/3/12/
| An orthography with the Tengwar of Feanor, a fictional writing system invented by J. R. R. Tolkien.
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| European (Arnt Richard Johansen version)
| Le fasnu

Le fonha cu sanga. I la Alis, goi koha, frati lahedihu lenu cpacu le fonha. I koha kerlo ganse «Coi Alis! I mi du la Rik. I, aho do kanro.» I «Coidoi Rik! I, ia mi kanro. I, aho do gohi.» I, «Ia. I mi djica lonu djuno, lenu do ba kansa mi le gusta ke vanci sanmi ca la Zedjed, poi balvi jibni. I, aho miho te tigni.»

I koha spusku «Ko denpa. I mi nitcu lenu catlu lemi detri liste. Y. Y. Y. I mi zifre. I, au mi kansa. I ma tcika?»

I la Rik, goi kohe spusku «Mi ba cpedu lo gusta jubme ca la Hacac. I, au do djica cuhna da poi fasnu. I pei skina? I pei zgike tigni? I pei hajmi tigni? I pei draci? I pei dansu?»

I la Alis, spusku «Mi nelci loi zgike draci. I, iha, au la Lemizerábl, se tigni ca ta. I mi nelci loi nu dansu.»
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| Arnt Richard Johansen: "This is an example of how Lojban might look if it was written with the same conventions as the European natural languages."<ref>http://arj.nvg.org/lojban/orthography.html</ref>
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| Alice in Wonderland orthography
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ni'o ca lo nu .abu cusku lo di'u valsi kei lo jamfu be .abu cu sakli .i ba zi ku lo nu jaurjanli zo'u: .abu jinru lo silna djacu fe'e co'u lo firji'o .i pa moi sidbo fa lo nu .abu ba'o farlu lo xamsi .i «lu va'o la'e di'u mi ka'e xrukla fu lo trene —sei .abu sezysku— li'u» (to la .alis. pu klama lo xamsi korbi pa roi lo nunjmive gi'e ja'e bo jinvi lo du'u ro pagbu be lo glico korbi cu se zvati so'o jinru minji noi nenri lo xamsi ku'o .e so'o verba noi kakpa lo canre lo loldi lo mudri canpa ku'o .e lo porsi be fi lo xotli be'o .e lo trene tcana noi trixe py toi)
| Equivalent to the standard orthography with the following additions:
* '''lu''' and '''li'u''' are always written '''«lu''' and '''li'u»'''
* '''to''' and '''toi''' are written '''(to''' and '''toi)'''
* '''sei''' clauses are surrounded by em dashes, e.g. '''—sei la .alis. cu cusku—'''
* words following '''ba'e''' are italicized, e.g. '''na ba'e ''mutce'' lo ka cizra'''
| Used in works such as Alice in Wonderland, Snow White and The Wizard of Oz.
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Cowan's [http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9205/msg00000.html alternative orthography]
| mi na certu le se zajbrrnatleta I kui mi coa jimpe lenu mi poi xelso cu noe snada tua le la Olimpik nunjvi pevi la Tokios I saunai mi nuo zmadu zoepecaaku leni snada I tie le mulno nizyjia cu te zmadu mi le gugdrrkorea kuceo le gugdrrnafganistana kuceo le gugdrrkenia kuceo le gugdrrtrinidada kuceo le xanto denci xaskoi gugde I kui mi zmadu u,a le gugdrrlixtenctaine I lenu go,i cu pluka nuzba I zmadu pluka fao le nuo nu le gugdrrlixtenctaine cu se nunjvi la Olimpik
| The alternative orthography makes the following substitutions.

1) The letter x is replaced in all uses by h. It is useful to emphasize
here that this does not represent a change in pronunciation.

2) The diphthong au is replaced by ao.

3) The apostrophe, which in the standard orthography is used only between
vowels, is replaced in the following ways:

3a) In a'a a'e a'u e'a e'e e'o e'u o'a o'e o'o o'u,
it is dropped, producing aa ae au ea ee eo eu oa oe oo ou.

3b) In a'i a'o e'i o'i, it is replaced by comma,
producing a,i a,o e,i o,i.

3c) In i'a i'e i'i i'o i'u u'a u'e u'i u'o u'u, it is
dropped, producing ia ie ii io iu ua ue ui uo uu; except that
when appearing stand-alone, and in names and borrowings,
it is replaced by comma, producing i,a i,e i,i i,o i,u
u,a u,e u,i u,o u,u.

4) Capitalization is used for the first letter of names, and for the cmavo
".i", which is written "I".

5) Periods before words are dropped.

6) Periods after words are replaced by comma. This comma cannot be confused
with the comma of 3b and 3c, because that cannot appear at the end of a word.
However, periods at the end of names are dropped.

7) Syllabic r l m n are written rr ll mm nn, and need not be set off by
comma.

8) Other uses of comma are retained. When doubt arises whether a comma
represents a voiced or a voiceless glide, the voiceless glide is preferred.

9) Stress is indicated by an apostrophe following the vowel of the stressed
syllable.
| Cowan: "Obviously, the alternative orthography is much more "context-sensitive" than the standard orthography. Two consecutive vowels in the standard orthography always represent a diphthong; in the alternative orthography, they may represent a diphthong, two syllables with a voiceless glide, or two syllables with a voiced glide, depending on the particular two vowels and on the kind of word in which they appear. On the other hand, thedifference between syllabic and consonantal r l m n is clearly marked in the alternative orthography."
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Diacritical orthography
| ŭa la .dòrotis. cu spusku zo ĭe lo tciŭaŭa
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* The glide versions of '''u''' and '''i''' are written '''ŭ''' and '''ĭ''' respectively.
* Stress, when shown, is always marked using either a grave or acute accent, and never via capitalization, e.g. '''dòrotis'''
| This orthography can easily be combined with other orthographies.
|- style="vertical-align: top"
| European 2
| Na ku la `Loglan` cu jai bau casnu. `I kuhi zo «zuhi» jaha drani. `I lo ka ni la Jboguhe cu cmalu cu banzuni lo nu sohe nu tavla cu nu tavla zuhi.
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* The glottal stop is written '''`'''. cmevla are surrounded by '''`''' and can be capitalized, e.g. '''la `Djan`'''
* Dot and comma are used as punctuation. Dots end sentences, comma can be used as is common in many european languages: '''Mi rinsa do, noi pendo mi.'''
* The first letter of every sentence (almost always '''.i''') is capitalized: '''`I mi tugni.'''
* The apostrophe ' is written '''h'''.
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|- style="vertical-align: top"
| Standard Lojban orthography with punctuation hybrid
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.i ze'a pi ro lo nunkei, la noltruni'u no roi de'a damba lo drata kelci gi'e no roi de'a krixa «lu ko lo stedu ta vimcu li'u», ja «lu ko lo stedu tu vimcu li'u». .i lo se dapma be ny cu se pifygau lo sonci, noi li'a de'a bargu. .i ba za lo cacra be li ji'i pi mu, ge no bargu cu zvati, gi ro lo kelci po'u na'e bo la noltrunau, ja la noltruni'u, ja la .àlis. cu pinfu gi'e se dapma fi lo nu se selmi'ecatra. .i ba bo la noltruni'u cu tatpi cliva gi'e cusku fi la .alis. fe «lu xu do pu viska la jitfa cakyrespa li'u».

.i «lu na go'i —sei la .àlis. cu cusku— .i mi na djuno ji'a sai, lo du'u ma kau jitfa cakyrespa li'u»

.i «lu te zbasu lo jitfa cakyrespa bo stasu —sei la noltruni'u cu cusku— li'u»

.i «lu mi pu no roi ga viska cy, gi se tavla fi cy —sei la .àlis. cu cusku— li'u»

.i «lu .e'e mi'o klama —sei la noltruni'u cu cusku— .i ba lisri cy ri do li'u»

.i la .àlis. ca lo nu cliva cadzu cu tirna lo nu la noltrunau cu lauble voksa cusku fi lo zvati fe «lu ca'e ro do se fraxu li'u». .i «lu ri'e la'e ba'e ''di'u'' xamgu li'u», se sezysku la .àlis. .i ri pu cinmo lo nu tolgei, lo nu la noltruni'u cu minde xo kau nuncatra.
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This follows the Alice in Wonderland orthography, with the following additions:
* Dot and comma are used as punctuation. Dots end sentences, while the comma is used to mark phrasal boundaries.
* Stress, when shown, is always marked using either a grave or acute accent, and never via capitalization, e.g. '''dòrotis'''
* Sometimes, a separate letter or symbol is used for glottal stops so that it remains different from the full stop at the end of a sentence. A variety of methods have been tried out, from using '''q''' to mark glottal stops, to using special diacritics. Sometimes only the glottal stops that surround cmevla are replaced with something else, while words like '''.i''' remain untouched. Example: '''.i la ḳèmac̣ pu cliva.'''
| The purpose of this orthography is easier readability, which is important especially when reading longer pieces of text, while trying to retain the familiar feel of the standard orthography, which explains the lack of capitalization.
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|- style="vertical-align: top"
| [[Hungarian orthography]]
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'le fasznu

'le fonhasu szangaila .alisz.gojkohaf ratilahedihulenus pasule fonhaikoha kerlo ganszelusoj .alisz.imidula .rik.iahodo kanrolihuilusojdoj .rik.ijjami kanroiahodogohilihuilujjaimid zsisalonud zsunolenudoba kanszamile gusztake vansi szanmisala. zedzsed.poj balvi zsibniiahomihote tignilihu

'ikohasz pudazoheluko denpaimi nicsulenu satlulemi detri liszteyyyimi zifreiawmi kanszaima csikalihu

'ila .rik.gojkohesz pudazohelumibas pedulo guszta zsubmesala.hasas.iawdod zsisa suhnadapoj fasznuipejsz kinaipejz gike tigniipej hazsmi tigniipeid rasiipej danszulihu

'ila .alisz. danfulumi nelsilojz giked rasiiihaawla.lemizer abl.sze tignisataimi nelsilojnu danszulihu
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* Sibilants work in the expected way (''c'' and ''cs'' also exist, just to be annoying).
* The vowels are the same as in the standard Lojban orthography.
* ''j'' and ''w'' are used to indicate semivowels. When these letters are doubled, they indicate initial rather than final glides.
* Lojban /'/ is indicated by ''h'' between two vowels. Lojban /x/ is denoted ''hh'' between two vowels and ''h'' elsewhere.
* As in Hungarian, 'words' are stressed on the first syllable. This is what messes up actual word boundaries so dramatically. Moreover, a word cannot begin with a consonant cluster, also like in Hungarian. An apostrophe at the beginning of a text indicates that the first syllable in it is not stressed.
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An intentionally inconvenient orthography that divides words based on stress rather than meaning. Not intended as an improvement of the standard orthography, but may be interesting to see how it affects one's ability to read.
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| [[Devanagari orthography]]
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पु ष़ेहु से जुनो लै ष़ेहु रेंवि गिहे से झ़िझ़्नु शा ले तेम्शि बे ले नु ले ज़ेना शा झ़्मिवे वाु फ़ा ले दुहु ले ब्रादि बे ले ला त्लुंरानां· बा क्लामा रि

[[Image:xinlermorna-preview-V0.6.png|thumb]]

(Corresponding Latin: pu ze'u se djuno lei ze'u renvi gi'e se jijnu ca le temci be le nu le dzena ca jmive vau fa le du'u le bradi be le la tlunranan. ba klama ri)
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* all the inherent vowels /ə/ are reserved as '''y''' in Lojban, suppressing is not allowed without being explicitly marked as such (with ्) or being the last letter of word.
* letter '''ष़''' /ɭə/ is assigned the value '''/zə/'''
* letter '''ज़''' /zə/ is assigned the value '''/ʣə/'''
* others are used as in Hindi, for the details, please read the [[Media:xinlermorna-V0.6.pdf|xinlermorna specification]]
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This is represent with xinlermorna as described at [[devanagari_orthography]], here's an online transliteration tool: https://vitovan.com/xinlermorna-transliteration/
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| [[Arabic Orthography]]
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ئ لَ ءضٍرٍتِسء شُ خبژ لٍ مضژ بً لٍ گنر سسته پً لَ ءكَنزَسء فِهٍ كنس لَ نكفمت ءخًنرِسء كُ نٍاِ تً شنگ كُهٍ ءاً لَ فتفمت ءاًمء كُ نٍاِ سپن لٍ تً شنگ إ لٍ زضن شُ شمل كِهُ لٍ نُ لٍ مضر پٍاِ زٌ كًهَ زلزب شُ ژَاِ سرش فَاِ لٍ كَ لٍ شرش شُ بور شًهُ وًهَ لٍ منل بً لِ سٍهِ
[[Image:rablermorna-preview-V0.1.png|thumb]]

(Corresponding Latin: ni'o la .dorotis. cu xabju lo midju be lo ganra sastu'a pe la .kanzas. fi'o kansa la nakfamti .xenris. ku noi te cange ku'o .e la fetfamti .em. ku noi speni lo te cange .i lo zdani cu cmalu ki'u lo nu lo mudri poi zy ke'a zilzba cu jai sarcu fai lo ka lo carce cu bevri ce'u ve'a lo minli be li so'i)
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* When a word have more than one consonants, vowels are allowed to be dropped (unvocalised).
* Diphthongs are just sequences of vowels, except they are not allowed to be dropped.
* Diphthongs will always be vocalised, and the second vowel of diphthong is carried by letter ا.
* For the details, please read the [[Media:rablermorna-V0.1.pdf|rablermorna specification]]
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This is represent with rablermorna as described at [[Arabic_Orthography]], and an online transliteration tool is here: https://vitovan.com/rablermorna-transliteration/
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|Improved [[Arabic Orthography]]
|نيحۆ لا ءضۆرۆتيسء شو خابجو لۆ ميدجو به لۆ گانرا ساستوحا په لا ءكانزاسء فيحۆ كانسا لا ناكفامتي ءخهنريسء كو نۆي ته شانگه كوحۆ ءه لا فهتفامتي ءهمء كو نۆي سپهني لۆ ته شانگه ئ لۆ زضاني شو شمالو كيحو لۆ نو لۆ موضري پۆي زى كهحا زيلزبا شو جاي سارشو فاي لۆ كا لۆ شارشه شو بهڤري شهحو ڤهحا لۆ مينلي به لي سۆحي
(Corresponding Latin: ni'o la .dorotis. cu xabju lo midju be lo ganra sastu'a pe la .kanzas. fi'o kansa la nakfamti .xenris. ku noi te cange ku'o .e la fetfamti .em. ku noi speni lo te cange .i lo zdani cu cmalu ki'u lo nu lo mudri poi zy ke'a zilzba cu jai sarcu fai lo ka lo carce cu bevri ce'u ve'a lo minli be li so'i)
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==References==
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Arabic Orthography

2023-04-13T19:49:02Z

Gustek: Added a proposal fixing the flaws of rablermorna.

*.filip.:
**I thought of using Arabic letters to write Lojban.
**The consonants are pretty straightforward, especially if you use Persian rather than Arabic as a base (which adds '''g''', '''j''', '''p''', and '''tc''', of which we need the first three).
**I thought of using the existing vowel signs for the Lojban vowels. Since Arabic has only three signs compared to Lojban's six vowels, I thought of using the "doubled" signs (-n endings) for the "real" vowels and "single" signs for "close" vowels - that is, vowels which aren't the same as the standard Arabic vowel but which are sometimes represented with the same vowel sign anyway.
**This gives kasra/kasratan for '''e/i''', damma/dammatan for '''o/u''', and fathatan for '''a'''. This leaves '''y''' to go with fatha.
**I propose using alif for '''.''' since it's a glottal stop, and heh for '''<nowiki>'</nowiki>''' because of the pronunciation. I couldn't think of anything particularly good for ''',''' so I picked ''yeh with hamza''. I also need a "null" consonant for diphthongs to carry the second vowel sign; I picked `ayn.
**So here's my proposal. What do you think?
**[[Image:lojban-xrabo.png]]
***.aulun.:
****Doesn't look bad - and it seems you are using front, middle, end and single type variants of Arabic (Farsi) characters. Yet, it also seems you didn't do this by normal typing but by composing the samples by means of a graphic tool ;-) I therefore think that - different from Yiddish mode - it is a hard job to 'really use' Arabic for Lojban writing. Nevertheless, nice idea.
*****.filip.:
******I did indeed use a tool [http://www.unipad.org/ SC UniPad] which automatically shapes Arabic letters (and does RTL automatically for Hebrew, Arabic, and Syriac, too). The screenshot is from UniPad.
*******.aulun.:
********Great! Without need of extra fonts. Yet, Macintosh again excluded :[

*[[User:Vitno|la vitno]]:
** [[File:rablermorna.png|thumb]] According to the discussions above, with some extra change, I (la) assembled a RABLERMORNA as a specification here. Tt is provided as a [[Media:rablermorna-V0.1.pdf|PDF file (click to download)]], and an online transliteration tool is here: https://vitovan.com/rablermorna-transliteration/ [[File:rablermorna-preview-V0.1.png|thumb]]
** The corresponding Latin is
{{mu| ni'o la .dorotis. cu xabju lo midju be lo ganra sastu'a pe la .kanzas. fi'o kansa la nakfamti .xenris. ku noi te cange ku'o .e la fetfamti .em. ku noi speni lo te cange .i lo zdani cu cmalu ki'u lo nu lo mudri poi zy ke'a zilzba cu jai sarcu fai lo ka lo carce cu bevri ce'u ve'a lo minli be li so'i }}

* [[Gustek|la gustek.]]:
** With all due respect, I think ''rablermorna'' has multiple problems, first of all, the use of symbols are linguistically and historically incoherent: they don't quite reflect the sound they represent and the vowel system entirely lacks some form of precedent in existing languages using a Perso-Arabic script; then, the exclusive use of ḥarakāt to represent vowels has three effects: 1) making it difficult to ''type'' texts 2) making it difficult to ''read'' texts given the size of ḥarakāt in a standard font and 3) it breaks diphthongs both visually and orthographically, and uses a totally unrelated symbol to represent the latter. This is why I suggest the following specification:[[File:Arabic Orthography for Lojban.png|thumb]]
** As you can see, this proposal uses exclusively ''long'' vowels, no ḥarakāt. This allows to identify vowels more easily and to represent diphthongs in a way akin to the Latin orthography for Lojban. Most consonants are directly taken from Arabic, apart from ه for /ɛ/ and ۆ for /ɔ/ that come from Kurdish. I've also decided to use the alif maqṣūrah (ى) for the /ə/ sound, because of its similarity to the ي, thus being linked to the graphic similarity between ‹i› and ‹y›. Then, for consonants, I've given multiple possibilities for cases in which two look-alike consonants would be placed next to each other, or simply for aesthetics' sake. I've proposed both the ra and the ʿayn for the ‹r› character, given that the (Un)CLL specifies that any rhotic consonant is accepted for this character. I imported one Maghrebi character ‹ڤ› and three Persian characters ‹پ›, ‹گ› and ‹ژ› to respectively represent the /v/, /g/, /p/ and /ʒ/ sounds, although the latter is not really needed. The hamzah represents the glottal stop ‹.› as it normally represents the glottal stop in Arabic and that it always being isolated allows for better visual delimitation of names and single vowels. /a/, /i/ and /u/ all exist in a “hamzah-ed” form as it allows representing some commonly used sequences (such as ‹.i›) in a single character. As in ''rablermorna'', vowel elimination is perfectly possible in words containing more than one consonant.

===tcidu ji'a===
*http://jbotcan.org/ideas/#629
*http://jbotcan.org/ideas/#630
*[[xrabo lerfu lo me la .iesk. moi]]

File:Arabic Orthography for Lojban.png

2023-04-13T19:23:49Z

Gustek:

Arabic orthography proposal for Lojban