Lojban Live Chat

2022-09-08T12:36:11Z

Fgaz: Add proga channel

{{se inspekte/en}}The Internet Relay Chat (aka IRC)<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC</ref> channel is a place for people to textually chat in real-time.
==Connecting quickly==
To get connected to Lojban chat use any of the following methods (your and others' messages will be available in all of them no matter which method you use).

People involved in Lojban community usually read each day's backlog and will answer your questions within several hours and often even within minutes.

===Telegram===
[[Image:Telegram logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since the beginning of 2016.

# Install the free [https://telegram.org Telegram messenger] app on your Apple, Android or your desktop device
# join main Lojban chat groups by following these links:
#*[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsYz3hCF8mCAb6fzW1Rw lojban] - talk in or about Lojban
#*[https://telegram.me/joinchat/BLVsYz4hC9ulWahupDLovA ckule] - ask questions arising while your study of Lojban
#*[https://telegram.me/joinchat/BLVsYz20Boixl0xN-0TrPw jbosnu] - talk in Lojban only
#*[https://telegram.me/joinchat/CJYorT2ma6UVfhb9YThEqw jboselbau] - for any offtopic discussions :)
#*[https://t.me/joinchat/IA5__x1TXTaLH2sKyOvMQg voknoi] - for voice only messages in Lojban
#*[https://t.me/joinchat/0OtH_oD_60o2OTVk proga] - for lojban-related software development (such as parsers)

Other groups:
#[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY0srQSQCgg-dAXpChA rusko] - Lojban - Russian group
#[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY0Zwl7cpY1WSDm_iTA polsk] - lojban - polska grupa (Lojban - Polish group)
#[https://t.me/joinchat/BLVsY1CaPEK6UyBZmloTdg ponjbo] - Lojban - Japanese group
#[https://t.me/tokpona tokpona] - Lojban - Tokipona group

===Mattermost ===
Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat since September 2018.

Signup via [https://framateam.org/signup_user_complete/?id=17b4ir6u6by6px693dm8kmy7yw Framateam's server].

===Slack===
[[Image:Slack Technologies Logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to read the history of the chat for the last ~7 days or so.
# Use [https://join.slack.com/t/lojban/shared_invite/zt-k3s96tvq-4mtkvG0ZlW2rFIwTPb4rIg the invite link].
# Open http://lojban.slack.com
# Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule channel, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban channel and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu channel.

===Discord===
The chat is also connected to a [https://discord.gg/BVm4EYR Discord server].
# Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule channel, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban channel and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu channel.
# Freely chat about anything to like-minded Lojbanists in the #jboselbau channel.

===Matrix===
[[Image:Matrix logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]You can connect to the chat natively from any Matrix server.
* [https://matrix.to/#/#lojban:libera.chat #lojban:libera.chat] for discussions in any language,
* [https://matrix.to/#/#ckule:libera.chat #ckule:libera.chat] for questions from new learners in any language, and
* [https://matrix.to/#/#jbosnu:libera.chat #jbosnu:libera.chat] for discussions in Lojban only.
* [https://matrix.to/#/##jboselbau:libera.chat ##jboselbau:libera.chat] for any offtopic discussions :)
* [https://matrix.to/#/#proga:libera.chat #proga:libera.chat] for lojban-related software development (such as parsers).

===Direct web access===
[[Image:IRC logo.svg|thumb|x70px|link=]]Using this method you will be able to see messages that are sent only while you are connected.
#Navigate to [{{Webchat url qwebirc}} the web-based IRC client (Kiwi)], choose a nickname you want yourself to be known as, and click "Start". Easy!
#Click on the channel you want (tabs on the top of the page), and type your text in the text bar at the bottom - the last line at the bottom of the chat page.
#Ask questions on Lojban in #ckule tab, talk in or about Lojban in #lojban tab and talk only in Lojban in #jbosnu tab.

=== Trickier ways of connecting ===
This is for geeks. If you have an IRC application installed use the following information:
*The Lojban IRC channel is on the [http://libera.chat Libera IRC network]. Use '''irc.libera.chat''' for the server, port '''6667''' (or 6679 for an SSL-encrypted connection). Registering with NickServ is recommended.
*The three channels are used:
** [irc://irc.libera.chat/lojban #lojban] for basic discussions in any language,
** [irc://irc.libera.chat/ckule #ckule] for questions from new learners in any language,
** [irc://irc.libera.chat/jbosnu #jbosnu] for discussions in Lojban only,
** [irc://irc.libera.chat/proga #proga] for lojban-related software development (such as parsers).
It is recommended, but by no means required, that you learn what IRC is by briefly reading some of the [http://www.mirc.com/ircintro.html IRC Frequently Asked Questions] or [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html The IRC Prelude].

You may also use [https://irssi.org/ irssi command line app] on your server to keep the whole log of chat activity.

== Conduct ==
There are almost always more than 100 people connected, but since they live in different timezones most of the time, they'll be idle. Say '''coi''', hit Enter and wait. Get a soda. Practice your vocabulary. But be patient. Dedicated IRC'ers don't sit in front of the computer 24/7 waiting to respond within 10 seconds of everything said. Think of it as sort of a fast moving message board.

You might also have a look at the [[IRC cheat sheet|IRC cheat sheet]], which contains a list of translations of frequently used expressions.

==[[IRC Bots]]==

== Rules ==
Just behave and be respectful, don't intentionally try to annoy others. Don't worry though, usually you'll only annoy people if you're actively trying.
== Logs ==
There are [http://www.lojban.org/irclogs/ public logs of the utterances in Lojban of the IRC channel]<ref>Thanks to help from Theodore Reed and Jordan DeLong</ref>.

The logs are filtered so that they contain only Lojban text. However, you might still be offended by the things discussed there. If you are, that's your problem and the [[LLG]] explicitly disclaims responsibility for anything said on the IRC channel, including by members or officers of the [[LLG]].

Furthermore, no guarantee is made as to the correctness of the Lojban therein. Nonetheless, the IRC logs currently constitute one of the largest corpora of Lojban text.
== Discussion Topics ==
A list of interesting discussion topics, about the nature of the language, is being actively maintained and [[jboske discussion|copied]] into this wiki. They often include specific terminology. The discussions are presented as is, copied from the IRC channel.

==References==
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Lojban Wave Lessons/Foreword

2022-08-27T13:08:29Z

Fgaz: Replace old freenode link

These lessons are an attempt to expand on the Lessons originally started in Google Wave network, an excellent Lojban tutorial authored by la .kribacr., la xalbo, and transcribed by Marenz (which were parallel to lessons 1-4 of this tutorial). It explains newer rules of Lojban not covered by older materials such as "What is Lojban?" and "Lojban for Beginners".

If you are new to Lojban, I recommend listening to any recordings you can find of spoken Lojban ([[multimedia|readings]], [[lojban music|music]], [[Recordings of live Lojban discussions|conversation]]) both before and while you are taking this tutorial, in order to make yourself familiar with the sounds and words of the language. Furthermore, try to say the things you read in Lojban accent if it's reasonably practical. This can help your pronunciation a lot.

When taking this tutorial, it's best to pause between lessons in order to internalize what you have learnt. I have attempted to build these lessons from the bottom up and exclude any words or concepts that have not been explained in previous lessons. Once explained, they are used freely throughout the remainder of the tutorial. I urge readers not to pass any misunderstood content; if you have questions or are uncertain about something, feel free to ask the Lojban community, which can be found in [[Lojban Live Chat]] or on [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban Google Groups]. They will be happy to help.

In this tutorial, Lojban text is written in '''bold'''. Later, when Lojban loanwords are used in English sentences, they are not marked. Answers to exercises are displayed as a grey bar. Highlight the text in order to see it. English terms are written in ''italic''.

Lastly, I have as far as possible attempted to use the Lojban words for grammatical constructs: '''sumka'i''' instead of ''pro-sumti'', '''sumtcita''' instead of ''modal'' and '''jufra''' instead of ''utterance''. This is because I feel the English words are often either arbitrary, in which case they are just more words to learn, or misleading, in which case they are worse than useless. In either case, as long as the words are specific to those who are learning Lojban anyway, there is no reason for them to exist as separate English words.

Lojban - User contributions [en]

Lojban Live Chat

Lojban Wave Lessons/Foreword