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2016-10-06T10:52:29Z

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!'''se krasi'''
!'''klesi'''
!'''lo lojbo cmene'''
!'''lo lojbo fanva'''
!'''lo krasi cmene'''
!'''lo finti'''
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15495351/la-melbi-e-le-ractu/index.html la melbi .e le ractu]
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| la lalxu
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| lo lojbo
| lo prosa
| [https://solpahi.wordpress.com/2016/09/26/mi-zaho-citno/ «lu mi za'o citno li'u»]
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| [[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/143537131514/coi-lo-se-jbobau-joau-zantufa-xi-papipare-i-la skaborfe'a]'''
|[[User:Guskant|la guskant]]
|Scarborough Fair
|lo jufra cu se finti [[User:Guskant|la guskant]]

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|lo lojbo jo'u lo xe fanva
|lo prosa jo'u lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/142067679719/spuda-la-selckiku-nou-lae-die-i spuda la selckiku sei la tanbargu cu pagbu]'''
|[[User:Guskant|la guskant]]
|Over the rainbow
|la'o zoi Harold Arlen zoi joi la'o zoi Edgar Yipsel Harburg zoi
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa jo'u lo pemci
|[https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6fUPLWJ-f-SWDlxRi1EUTNlZTg/view?usp=sharing pluta]
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|[https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6fUPLWJ-f-SWDlxRi1EUTNlZTg/view?usp=sharing pluta]
|lo pamoi be lo re pagbu cu ve skicu la lojban bau lo banjupunu .i lo romoi cu jufra fi la lojban fi'e la cogas jo'u la niftyg jo'u la sidas
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/LnbyPkupoMA/discussion ni'o ni'o da'a mo'o notci la si]
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|[https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/LnbyPkupoMA/discussion ni'o ni'o da'a mo'o notci la si]
|la iesk
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|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|[https://vimeo.com/141602354 lo no valsi to bripre ci mo'o toi]
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|[https://vimeo.com/141602354 lo no valsi to bripre ci mo'o toi]
|la iesk noi finti lo jicmu jufra no'u la'au ni'o ni'o da'a mo'o notci la si li'u ku'o joi ke [[la bripre]] joi [[la guskant|la mankant]] vu'o noi sanga ku'o ke'e joi [[la guskant]] noi tapydansu gi'e te skina

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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[pa sepli falnu]]
|[[la gleki]]
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|la Mixail Lermontov noi rusko pemci se cuntu
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|lo xe fanva
|lo skina
|[[la ernace]] cu me lo lisri noi da kartuna filme
|[[la gleki]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://selpahi.de/oz.html lo se manci te makfa pe la .oz.]
|[[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|''The Wizard of Oz''
|L. Frank Baum
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[lo selfri be la .alis. bei bu'u la selmacygu'e]]
|[[User:Xorxes|la xorxes]]
|''Alice's Adventures In Wonderland''
|''Lewis Carroll''
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le xlali cfari]]
|[[la gleki]]
|''The Bad Beginning''
|la'ogy.Lemony Snicket.gy.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le cmalu noltru]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|''Le Petit Prince''
|''Antoine de Saint-Exupéry''
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[ca lo kurki cacra]]
|la [[nitcion]] e [[la gleki]]
|''On A Bitter Occasion''
|Kalman Kalocsay, Esperanto poet
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[daudydjin|.daudydjin.]]
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|''Tao Te Ching''
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[American Declaration of Independence|lo amerik ke gubni se cusku pe lo nu zifre]]
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|''American Declaration of Independence''
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|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le prije ctuca]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
|''The Prophet''
|''Kahlil Gibran''
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[lo nu binxo]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|''Die Verwandlung'' (Spanish translation)
|''Franz Kafka''
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[lo nenri be lo spati denmi]]
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''藪の中 (yabu-no-naka)''
|''芥川龍之介 (AKUTAGAWA Ryunosuke)''
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Little Things|Little Things]]
|[[User:Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|''Little Things''
|''Raymond Carver''
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[tu'a le cukta|tu'a le cukta]]
|[[User:Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|The Book
|H. P. [[Lovecraft|Lovecraft]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[My Version of 'The Book'|My version of 'The Book']]
|[[Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
|The Book
|H. P. [[Lovecraft|Lovecraft]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le nanmu kujo'u le since|le nanmu kujo'u le since]]
|[[User:Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|The man and the Snake
|Ambrose Bierce
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Emerald Tablets|Emerald Tablets]]
|la kreig.daniyl
|[[Emerald Tablets|Emerald Tablets]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://selpahi.de/snimeblabi.html la snime blabi]
|[[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|[http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneewittchen Schneewittchen]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[gilgamec|prologue to Gilgamesh]]
|Andrew Piekarski
|Gilgamesh
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le gusta co minde mutce|The Restaurant of Many Orders]]
|[[User:Tijlan|tijlan]]
|The Restaurant of Many Orders
|宮澤賢治 (MIYAZAWA Kenji)
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[ko'a marji lo rectu|ko'a marji lo rectu]]
|Pierre Abbat
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|Terry Bisson
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Not a Box|Not a Box]]
|Michael Turniansky
|Not a Box
|Antoinette Portis
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Esther|la .ester.]]
|Michael Turniansky
|The Bible. Esther
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[donkixotes|Don Quixote]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|Don Quixote
|Cervantes
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[:File:makin.pdf|la .makin.]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le junla zbasu|The Clockmaker]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|R. L. Stevenson
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le saske smani|The Scientific Ape]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|R. L. Stevenson
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la ckuzda pe la babel]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
|La Biblioteca de Babel
|Jorge Luis Borges
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[nuncanci la krispinas ambylis]]
|[[User:Adam Cooper|komfo,amonan]]
|The disappearance of Crispina Umberleigh
|Saki
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[le mu xamgu pe lo nunji'e]]
|[[User:Adam Cooper|komfo,amonan]]
|The five boons of life
|Mark Twain
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la lisri be lo nanla joi lo cipnrfalko]]
|[[User:Tsani|la tsani]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la krasi be lai .xacacin.]]
|[[User:Tsani|la tsani]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la tcuang e le toldi|la tcuang e le toldi]]
|chrisdone
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[The Princess and the Pea|The Princess and the Pea]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[carvi|carvi]]
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
|Rain
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|lo vrici
|lo jai zdile
|[[zdilisri]]
|Yanis Batura
|Anecdotes in Lojban
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|lo xe fanva
|lo jai zdile
|[[AllYourBase]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
|All your base are belong to us
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|lo lojbo
|lo lisxra
|[[lei lojbo|lei lojbo]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
|Lojbanic comics (Original)
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|lo lojbo
|lo lisxra
|'''[http://idiomdrottning.org Sandra Snan comics]'''
|lo lojbo cecmu
|Lojbanic comics (Original)
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|lo lojbo
|lo lisxra
|'''[http://jbotcan.org/jbo/src/1365368758728.png nu fipkalte bu'u la jbogu'e]'''
|lo lojbo cecmu
|Very badly drawn, very lame pun (in Lojban)
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|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|'''[http://jbotcan.org/jbo/src/1365368758728.png nu fipkalte bu'u la jbogu'e]'''
|lo lojbo cecmu
|Very badly drawn, very lame pun (in Lojban)
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|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|[[:File:lenumakfaprami.pdf|le nu makfa prami]] [[:File:lenumakfaprami src.zip|(OpenOffice source files)]]
|remod
|'''[http://sciacalloelettronico.it/webcomix/aloi/strega.pdf Witch in love]'''
|Sonia Aloi & Giovanni Manzoni
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|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|[[:File:linsi daplu-jbo.pdf|le linsi daplu]] [[:File:linsi daplu.zip|(OpenOffice source files)]]
|remod
|'''[http://www.rice-boy.com/shortstories.php?ti=1 The Tethered Isle]'''
|Evan Dahm
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|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|[[:File:tusks-jbo.pdf|lo jirnyde'i be la .usterim.]] [[:File:tusks.zip|(OpenOffice source files)]] Use the 2 pages in 1 view to better enjoy reading!
|remod
|'''[http://www.rice-boy.com/shortstories.php?t=1 The Tusk of Wusterim]'''
|Evan Dahm
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|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|[[la mimis. .e la .iuNIZ.]]
|[[User:Wuzzy|Wuzzy]]
|'''[http://mimiandeunice.com/ Mimi and Eunice]'''
|Nina Paley
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[[la mu'e cuxna lo bradi|la mu'e cuxna lo bradi]]
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|[[la mu'e cuxna lo bradi|la mu'e cuxna lo bradi]]
|la blutolpinxe
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[[la balselfri be la ceitsa]] ni'o pa mo'o [[la pamoi co balselfri be la ceitsa|la cizra zarci]]
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|[[la balselfri be la ceitsa]] Part one: [[la pamoi co balselfri be la ceitsa|la cizra zarci]]
|[[User:Tsani|la tsani]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
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|The '''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/original/lojban_story.html Lojban Storytelling Game]'''
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|lo lojbo
|lo prosa
|[[la nicte cadzu|la nicte cadzu]]
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|[[la nicte cadzu|la nicte cadzu]] can all be found at [[Robin's Palm Writings|Robin's Palm Writings]] (because he wrote them on his PDA; yes, really).
|[[User:Robin Lee Powell|la camgusmis]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo vrici
|[[le pluta po'u le mleca se litru|le pluta po'u le mleca se litru]]
|[[cein|la .cein.]]
|''The Road Less Travelled''
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[sidbo|sidbo]]
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|[[sidbo|sidbo]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[rarna ciska|rarna ciska]]
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|[[rarna ciska|rarna ciska]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[dunra|dunra]]
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|[[dunra|dunra]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[la tedyxamsi|la tedyxamsi]]
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|[[la tedyxamsi|la tedyxamsi]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[jitri'u xu venfu|jitri'u xu venfu]]
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|[[jitri'u xu venfu|jitri'u xu venfu]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika|le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika]]
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|[[le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika|le panoki'omoi nu viska la puzi nunstika]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|[[jbocu'e|jbocu'e]]
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|[[jbocu'e|jbocu'e]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
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|[[Elvish rosetta stone|Elvish rosetta stone]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
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|[[niall and elizas|niall and elizas]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
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|[[talks|talks]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
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|[[counting songs|counting songs]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[ko mi fraxu|ko mi fraxu]]
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|[[ko mi fraxu|ko mi fraxu]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[darvin|darvin]]
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|[[darvin|darvin]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[ckape litru|ckape litru]]
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|[[ckape litru|ckape litru]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemsoneto
|[[xukydei|xukydei]]
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|[[xukydei|xukydei]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|cukta
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|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta1.html cukta1.html], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta2.html cukta2.html], and [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/cukta3.html cukta3.html]. English translations will be found in [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book1.html book1.html], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book2.html book2.html], and [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/book3.html book3.html]
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[za'o senva|za'o senva]]
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|[[za'o senva|za'o senva]]
|[[User:Theodore Alexander Reed|bancus]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[skadji|skadji]]
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|[[skadji|skadji]] from Ziryroi
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
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|[[Silly poems|Silly poems]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[lo vensa brife]]
|[[la gleki]]
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|jungo
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[lo so'i pemci be fi la tsani]]
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|[[lo so'i pemci be fi la tsani]]
|[[User:Tsani|la tsani]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[pemcrxaiku|pemcrxaiku]]
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|[[pemcrxaiku|pemcrxaiku]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[ci'irprosa|ci'irprosa]]
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|[[ci'irprosa|ci'irprosa]]. Preface to Ziryroi
|[[User:Michael Helsem|Michael Helsem]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[sipna pemci, Robin.ca's translation|English translation of ''sipna pemci'']]
|[[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]
|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
|[[User:Broca|Arnt Richard Johansen]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
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|[[sipna pemci|sipna pemci]]
|[[User:Broca|Arnt Richard Johansen]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemlimerika
|[[doi dirba|doi dirba]]
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|[[doi dirba|doi dirba]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
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|[[Lojban rock lyrics|Lojban rock lyrics]]
|[[rab.spir|Rob Speer]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
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|[[Lojban Anthem|Lojban Anthem]]
|music by [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]]; words by [[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]] and [[User:Nick Nicholas|Nick Nicholas]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[xirli'u selsanga|xirli'u selsanga]]
|[[User:xorxes|la xorxes]]
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|Federico García Lorca
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[Litany Against Fear|Litany Against Fear]]
|[[Jordan DeLong|Jordan DeLong]]
|Litany Against Fear from the book Dune by Frank Herbert
|Bene Gesserit
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|[[Carmina Lojbana|Carmina Lojbana]]
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|Carmina Burana
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113232481 ro roi za'u re'u ji'a]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''いつも何度でも (itsumo-nando-demo)''
|覚和歌子 (KAKU Wakako, pemci), 木村弓 (KIMURA Yumi, zgike)
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113351301 la tcungatcangas pe mu sofybakni zi'e noi xorlo je xorla]'''
|[[la gleki]] joi [[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|la'o ry чунга-чанга ry noi selsa'a
|Yuri Entin (pemci), Vladimir Shainsky (zgike finti), [[User:xorxes|la xorxes]] noi finti lo jufra pe zo sofybakni
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''crisa ditcu''' to '''[https://vimeo.com/113181181 lo skina]''' .a '''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/26278344232/uisai-iosai-iesai-la-tijlan-bao-cnino-ganzu lo sance jo'u selci'a]''' toi
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Summertime''
|DuBose Heyward (pemci), George Gershwin (zgike finti)
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/22846666936/re-moi-vreji-fi-la-byna-uan-solon-i-gau-mi-lo la .byna,uan.solon.]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Bengawan Solo''
|Gesang Martohartono
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/12729919114/jbedetnunsla-uidai-i-jbedetnunsla-uidai-i jbedetnunsla .uidai]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''Happy birthday to you''
|lo glico
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|'''[http://fotono.tumblr.com/post/15624731879/a-ea-pao-klama-i-miu-b-ti-seraa-ma-cinla e'a pa'o klama]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''とおりゃんせ (tooryanse)''
|lo ponjo
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|lo xe fanva
|lo zgike
|[[mi jbize'a do doi cevni]]
|la .pier.abát.
|la'o gy.'' Nearer, my God, to Thee ''.gy.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo pemci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/corpus/show/smaji%20nicte%20pensi smaji nicte pensi]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''静夜思 (jìng yè sī)'' (pemci lo mumvlavonli'i la libair)
|李白 (lǐ bái)
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[da pu laldo ninmu co tunlo le sfani|da pu laldo ninmu co tunlo le sfani]]
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|"There once was an old lady who swallowed a fly"
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[The Song That Never Ends|The Song That Never Ends]]
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|The Song That Never Ends
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[The Itsy Bitsy Spider|The Itsy Bitsy Spider]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[Old MacDonald|Old MacDonald]]
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|Old MacDonald
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[le cmalu bloti|le cmalu bloti]]
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|"The Small Boat", a French(?) traditional song
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[da kevna le baktu|da kevna le baktu]]
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|"There's a hole in the bucket"
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[doi .daiz.|doi .daiz.]]
|[[Xavier|la .xavier.]]
|"Daisy"
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[lo mlatu cu bitmu cpare|lo mlatu cu bitmu cpare]]
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|Polish children song [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wlaz%C5%82_kotek_na_p%C5%82otek "Wlazł kotek na płotek"]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[ctoxrula|ctoxrula]]
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|Polish children song "Stokrotka"
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|[[senva lo melbi|senva lo melbi]]
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|Lullaby(?)
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba zgike
|'''[https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/3SkKfYiF1Fk/discussion ro lo ma'a datka]''' to [[User:guskant|la guskant]] fa'u [[User:Tijlan|la tijlan]] sanga fa'u zgike bo ganzu ja'e tu'a zoi dy [[:File:datka.mp3|datka.mp3]] dy toi
|[[User:Selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
|Alle meine Entchen
|lo dotco
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|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|Original Lojban-language page about the MBTI
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|[[le menli cipra pe la .mairz. joi la .brigz.|le menli cipra pe la .mairz. joi la .brigz.]]
|[[User:PlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|A brief description of Tolkien's [[tenguar|Tengwar]] in Lojban
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|[[tenguar|Tengwar]]
|Elrond
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|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/cipra.html cipra lo skari lo vanju]'''
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|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/cipra.html cipra lo skari lo vanju]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi zukte lo xukmi cipra
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|lo lojbo
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/jetnujarco.html jarco lo ka na me la individual]'''
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|'''[http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/jetnujarco.html jarco lo ka na me la individual]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi logji je'urja'o
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|lo lojbo
|lo na cfika
|'''[https://vimeo.com/album/3148016 bripre jikca]'''
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|'''[https://vimeo.com/album/3148016 bripre jikca]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi te skina ku'o joi lo so'i se jbobau
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|lo lojbo
|lo zgike
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113056241 bripre jikca selsa'a]'''
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|'''[https://vimeo.com/113056241 bripre jikca selsa'a]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]] noi finti lo jufra ku'o joi [[la bripre]] noi sanga ku'o joi [[User:Tijlan|la tijlan]] noi zgike ganzu
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|lo xe fanva
|lo na cfika
|[[The Gateless Gate|The Gateless Gate]]
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|sanxiyn
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|lo xe fanva
|lo na cfika
|[[Single Transferrable Vote|Single Transferrable Vote]] . i lo lojbo info
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|[[Single Transferrable Vote|Single Transferrable Vote]] system
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Broken Phone|Broken Phone]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[la cibyska|la cibyska]]
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|"Tri-Versity"
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Broken Phone|Broken Phone]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Lojban Scrabble|Lojban Scrabble]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[la .nomik.|la .nomik.]]
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|Nomic
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[MMORPG|MMORPG]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[Role-playing Games|Role-playing Games]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[kucyvla|kucyvla]]
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|Crossword puzzles
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|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[ctununta'a la feinman fi lo nu kanji|ctununta'a la feinman fi lo nu kanji]]
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|the Feynman Lectures on Computation
|[[User:Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[mathematical proof|mathematical proof]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[Axiom of stratified comprehension--Mekso example|axiom of stratified comprehension]]
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|New Foundations' [[Axiom of stratified comprehension--Mekso example|axiom of stratified comprehension]] in mekso and bridi math.
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/algebra A translation of the first page of a higher algebra text]'''
|Nick Nicholas
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|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[Mathematical induction|Mathematical induction]]
|[[User:selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
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|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|[[lojbo nu menkanji|lojbo nu menkanji]]
|[[User:selpa'i|la selpa'i]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
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|[[Tautologies and Tongue-Twisters In Lojban|Tautologies and Tongue-Twisters in Lojban]]
|la .kevin., [[User:tsali|tsali]], gejyspa
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
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|Mini-sagas on [[Alan Libert|Alan Libert]] [[xaurselfunca gugde|The Lucky Country]], and [[Codex Woldemar|Codex Woldemar]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
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|The renowned argument on palatals in [[tavla fi le tutra pe le terdi|tavla fi le tutra pe le terdi]]
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|lo lojbo
|lo vrici
|'''[https://vimeo.com/113458410 bripre ni'o pa mo'o li re te'a ny.]'''
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|'''[https://vimeo.com/113458410 bripre ni'o pa mo'o li re te'a ny.]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo pixra draci
|'''[https://vimeo.com/140852144 bripre ni'o re mo'o lei cmalu narge .e le cmana mlatu]'''
|[[User:guskant|la guskant]]
|''どんぐりと山猫 (donguri-to-yamaneko)''
|''宮澤賢治 (MIYAZAWA Kenji)''
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|'''[http://ponjbogri.github.io/cemfanva/niwa/niwa2013.html lu za'ure'u gau draci lo ka gubni sei fe lu'e lo ve ciksi be lo larcu reci bangu cu fanva se'u to lo poi la .ni,uan.iocinor. cu cmizu'e fi ke'a ku'o selpla be ca lo detri be li renonovo ga'o bi'o ga'o renopare toi li'u]'''
|la ponjbogri
|''『公共性を再演する | 作品の解説を23種類の言語に翻訳する丹羽良徳の2004年から2012年の介入プロジェクト』''
|丹羽良徳 (NIWA Yoshinori)
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|lo pu'o xe fanva
|lo cfika
|[[Hamlet|Hamlet]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
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|lo xe fanva
|lo bangyske
|[[Conlang Test Sentences|Conlang Test Sentences]]
|lo lojbo cecmu
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|lo xe fanva
|lo progyske
|[[Perl the first postmodern programming language|Perl the first postmodern programming language]]
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|Larry Wall
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se kelci
|[[The Legend Of Zelda|The Legend of Zelda]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo skina
|[[elephants dream|Elephants Dream]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Comedy Tonight|Comedy Tonight]]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Some fables by Aesop]]
|Nick Nicholas
|xelso
|Aesop
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo cmaci
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/algebra A translation of the first page of a higher algebra text]'''
|Nick Nicholas
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[A few lines from Beowulf]] an attempt to preserve the semantic and syntactic devices of the original
|John Cowan
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Cardplayer]]
|Nick Nicholas
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Christ nor Devil]]
|Nick Nicholas
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Nicene Creed]], a major Christian statement of faith, from the Greek
|Nick Nicholas
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|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/dialogues_of_the_dead Short story by Lucian of Samosata]''', 2nd-century Greek author
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/freddy_germanos Part of a book by Freddy Germanos]''', modern Greek journalist
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/g s_song Song "The Merryman & His Maid"]''', aka "I Have A Song To Sing, O!" from the Gilbert & Sullivan operetta Yeomen of the Guard
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]].
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[Genesis]]
|Mark Shoulson.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/legend A Roman legend]''', composed in Polish by Orzekso, translated into Esperanto by Kabe
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/lithuanian_song translation of an Esperanto translation of a Lithuanian/Polish folk song]'''. The Esperanto version appeared in the Esperanto Fundamental Chrestomathy in 1905
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/lordpray A prosaic version of the Lord's Prayer from the New Testament]'''. From the English, corrected by reference to the Greek
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]].
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/luther_king Martin Luther King's famous "I Have A Dream" speech]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/maxwell_tales Several very short Chinese folk tales]'''
|Preston Maxwell, rev. Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/mikhalski A poem by Soviet Esperantist Evgeny Mikhalski]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/mildew "The Mildew of the World", written in Polish by Boleslaw Prus]''', translated into Esperanto by Kabe
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/moser A self-referential story by David Moser]''', printed in Douglas Hofstadter's column and book Metamagical Themas. Every sentence refers to itself, including the title, which is "This is the title of the story, which is repeated several times in the story itself." Perfect for Lojban
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/red_death The first few paragraphs of Edgar Allan Poe's "The Masque of the Red Death"]'''
|Jorge Llambias.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/ringo-starr An interview by Freddy Germanos of Ringo Starr]''', presumably conducted in English, but published in Greek
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/roughton A text by Ralph Roughton]''', origin unknown
|Colin Fine.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/tsiforos from "Greek Mythology" by modern Greek humorist and slang devotee Nikos Tsiforos]'''
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/whyte A single paragraph by scientist/writer Lancelot Law Whyte]'''. Contains English original, Lojban translation, word-by-word gloss, and a word-by- word gloss of a 1977 Loglan version by J.R. Atkins, showing the different styles of tanru in effect at that time
|Nick Nicholas.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/words1.txt Lyric from a Suzanne Vega song, "Words"]'''
|[[User:Bob LeChevalier|Lojbab]], with commentary based on Nick Nicholas's translation of the same poem into other artificial languages. Also available [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/words_poem.tex in TeX format].
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmW92vwNRWw A (very) short video clip in Esperanto] with Lojban subtitles
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|'''lojbo kamjikca lisri''' This is a web-based story in lojban that you can add to. At each step of the story, you make a choice. When you reach the end of what others have written, you can add your own part to the story.
|lojbo cecmu
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/original/lojban_story/story/story.pl Lojbanic Interactive Story]'''
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|lo xe fanva
|lo lisxra
|'''[http://languages.geekworld.dk/wiki/index.php/Freefall_in_Lojban Ongoing wiki translation of the Freefall comics]''' Warning: no translated pictures until any full translation appears.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo prosa
|[[la .berbif. joi la .sol.]]
|Nick Nicholas.
|North Wind And Sun
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se cilre
|[[le lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi Ceqli|le lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi Ceqli]] is the Lojban translation of the Ceqli. Note that some comics relax the rule on Lojban orthography. The most common non-standard orthography is for {.i} which in some comic is rendered without the initial dot and in others is replaced by a colon ':'.
|[[User:.aionys.|la .aionys.]]
|[http://ceqli.pbworks.com/w/page/41974416/Ceqli%20through%20pictures Ceqli through pictures]
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le lunra jo'u le mapku]], [[:File:719.sip|le lunra jo'u le mapku]]
|[[la remod]]
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|Noni, Angie & Upesh
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[:File:725.sip|le virnu smani blozeile'a]]
|[[la remod]]
|"The Brave Monkey Pirate"
|Heyes Roberts
|-
|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[The Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin]]
|Michael Turniansky
|The Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight]], [[Berenstain_Bears_in_a_Fight.ogg]], [[Berenstain_Fight_Tengwar.zip]]
|Andrew Piekarski, reviewed by Michael Turniansky
|The Berenstain Bears Get in a Fight
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|lo lojbo
|lo verba lisri
|[[la teris. po'u lo tirxu cu vitke zi'o le barda tcadu]]
|Michael Turniansky
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|lo sampu lojbo
|lo verba lisri
|'''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/tikitiki "Tikki-Tikki Tembo"]'''
|John Cowan
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|classic Chinese children's folktale
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[:File:890.sip|lo dalpe'o dinsauru]]
|[[la remod]]
|If I had a pet dinosaur
|Gil Robles
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[Goodnight Moon]]
|[[UserPagePlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
|Goodnight Moon
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[Green Eggs and Ham]]
|[[UserPagePlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]
|Green Eggs and Ham
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[la cmalu je xunre mapku]]
|[[la vensa]]
|Little Red Riding Hood
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[la .slokrebaf. .e le ci cribe]]
|[[la vensa]]
|Goldilocks and The Three Bears
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le tumcakrespa .e le clakeryractu]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Tortoise and The Hare
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le cmalu je xunre jipcyfe'i]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Little Red Hen
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|[[le dunda tricu]]
|[[la vensa]]
|The Giving Tree
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|lo xe fanva
|lo verba lisri
|'''[http://xanrilisri.thecomicseries.com lo'i xanri lisri fi la .esop.]'''
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|la .aisopos.
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|lo xe fanva
|lo se sanga
|[[sanga do'e la iore'e palys atinys]]
|la .az.
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|lo lojbo
|lo pemci
|[[lo ka morsi]]
|la seltcidu
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==Other resources (to be included into the table)==
*[[lojban music]]
*la'o gy.[[Lojban CVS Server]].gy. cu stuzi lo vrici ke cecmu xe fanva
*There are no [[movies|movies]] yet.
*This is '''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/archives/ Lojbab's full text and text discussion archive]''' (which is actually only complete up until around 1993).
*Some [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/ texts] on the server might not be included into the table above.
* Five files of text and discussion thereof, extracted from '''1994 Lojban List traffic''', may be found in [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m1.txt 1994m1.txt], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m2.txt 1994m2.txt], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m3.txt 1994m3.txt], [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m4.txt 1994m4.txt], and [http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/1994m5.txt 1994m5.txt]. This was the first year when significant amounts of interactive Lojban text were posted by Lojbanists other than Nick Nicholas, Lojbab, or people taught directly by Lojbab.
* '''[http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/allphone.ZIP A compendium of the results from runs of the "phone game"]''' a chain letter of translations between Lojban and English with humorous distortions at each step.
*Sh. Holmes: https://github.com/phma/xolmyz
* The Bible:
**'''[http://www.lojban.org/texts/translations/drbible/ la xriso biblia]''' noi du la'o gy.''The Christian Bible''.gy.
**https://github.com/phma/lojban-bible
* [[Old lojban.org Page Translations|Old lojban.org Page Translations]]
== Bilingual works ==
Bilingual texts with explained vocabulary in order of appearance.
* [[:File:relbau tercidu - la teris. vitke zi'o le barda tcadu.pdf|Terry the Tiger Visits the Big City]] (''la teris. vitke zi'o le barda tcadu'')
* [[:File:le saske smani.pdf|The Scientific Ape]] (''le saske smani'')
[[Category:pemci]][[Category:prosa]][[Category:te gerna la lojban]]

lo ka morsi

2016-10-06T10:50:00Z

Dutchie:

du

lo ka morsi kei

lo ka tolzva kei

lo ka klama je na'e xrukla kei

lo ka farlu lo manku kei

lo ka to'e zukte kei

lo ka vitno kei

[[Category:pemci]]

lo ka morsi

2016-10-06T10:49:04Z

Dutchie: Created page with "du lo ka morsi kei lo ka tolzva kei lo ka klama je na'e xrukla kei lo ka farlu lo manku kei lo ka to'e zukte kei lo ka vitno kei"

du

lo ka morsi kei

lo ka tolzva kei

lo ka klama je na'e xrukla kei

lo ka farlu lo manku kei

lo ka to'e zukte kei

lo ka vitno kei

De Morgan's Laws

2015-09-11T08:26:29Z

Dutchie:

Strictly speaking, DeMorgan's Law is the rule about the transfer of negation over "and" and "or" (inclusive) that says change "and" to "or" and conversely and change the signs of all the parts and wholes. That is
*~(p & q) <=> ~p v ~q
*~(p v q) <=> ~p & ~q
*and all the other combinations where one or the other parts has a negation, for example ~(p & ~q) <=> ~p v q.

(Students of digital logic will recall the above from their introductory course in the subject.)

In practice, however, the name is often used for the almost entirely analogous rule for moving negations across quantifiers, especially universal and particular ones. The rule then is analogous: change initial sign and sign before the component and change the quantifier from the one to the other:
*AxFx <=> ~Ex~Fx
*ExFx <=> ~Ax~Fx
*and all the variations with different initial placements of negations, e.g., Ax~Fx <=> ~ExFx.
The reason it works with the universal and particular quantifiers is that
*ExFx (to use the same notation) is equal to Fx1 v Fx2 v Fx3 v ... v Fxn for all possible values of n
while
*AxFx is equal to Fx1 & Fx2 & Fx3 & ... & Fxn for all possible values of n
(Provided that every item in the universe of discourse is assigned at least one xi. The intuition is correct, however, just generalized to the (possibly) infinite case.)

The extended use is somewhat complicated by the differences between quantifiers with and those without [[Existential import|existential import]]. Moving negation changes one of these into the other as well as changing sign and quantity. However, Lojban sumti are importing unless specially marked (and what that mark is to be is open to some discussion), so this problem can be ignored in most practical cases. The peculiar standard quantifier O ("Some S are not P") has some suggested expressions, which relieve a gap in Lojban: {{vlapoi|da'a|su'o}} or {{vlapoi|me'i|ro}} are leading possibilities.

Fractional quantifiers have also been dealt with. {{vlapoi|pi|ro}}, since it names a single complete individual (unusual in Lojban), is unaffected by the passage of {{vlapoi|na|ku}}. {{vlapoi|pi|su'o}} and {{vlapoi|pi}} '''n''' generally is treated as though {{vlapoi|pi}} '''n''' {{vlapoi|lo|broda}} were {{vlapoi|su'o|lo|pi}} '''n''' {{vlapoi|lo|broda}} and the changes occur on the outer quantifier.

The question of the effect of "negations" other than {{vlapoi|na|ku}} has arisen and is being worked over - for {{vlapoi|na'e}} at least.

BPFK Section: gismu Issues

2015-07-13T21:25:46Z

Dutchie: /* Unapproved */

== jbovlaste gismu Keywords ==

Occasionally, it becomes obvious in jbovlaste that a particular keyword is polysemous, or that a particular place deserves a keyword, or that more than one gloss words for a gismu make sense, and so on. These are all gismu changes that do not change the meaning at all, only the English language words associated with the gismu.

Since jbovlaste is intended to be the source for an eventual published dictionary, this sort of change is a bit touchy.

[[Robin Lee Powell|Robin Lee Powell]] hereby request that the BPFK give to LLG board members, and anyone they might appoint as jbovlaste admins, the power to make such changes without explicit BPFK approval, with the proviso that if anyone doesn't like such a change a vote can be called, and the BPFK's will is the deciding factor in these changes.

This request was approved as of 17 May 2004. It was informally agreed that jbovlaste should be modified to allow listing of changes made under this new rule, if possible, and that such changes should be listed somewhere as they are made. The [[Approved gismu Alterations|Approved gismu Alterations]] page was created for this purpose.

== Set Places ==

I (Robin Powell) am of the opinion that the "set" places in various gismu are un-necessary, and that the set-only restriction should be abolished for all of those places (with the obvious exception of gismu that are specifically about sets). Any specification of a group should be acceptable in these places, as that's all that's wanted. See "kampu", for example (especially since sets don't even have properties!).

== Radical gismu Change Proposals ==

* [[BPFK gismu Proposal: kanpe]]
* [[BPFK gismu Section: Problems With ka]] (which starts by talking about jarco, but also gets into the whole "old du'u/ka" thing)

* [[BPFK gismu Section: Parenthetical Remarks in Brivla Definitions]]
* [[BPFK gismu Section: Complete vs. Incomplete Specifications]]

* [[BPFK gismu Proposal: mabla and zabna]]
* [[BPFK gismu Proposal: gletu]]

== Unapproved ==

the following minor mistakes were found on the lojban dict server jbo->en (mostly concerning the see also-section): --sarefo

* sfubu: 2x farlu
* mutce: 2x traji

* milxe: 2x traji
* cliva: 2x litru

* cumki: see also cumki
* jdima: 2x pleji

* jarki: 2x cinla
* jbari: 2x grute

* jdini: 2x rupnu
* tcadu: 2x jarbu

* jalra: cockroaches are not part of orthoptera; check wikipedia
* curnu: "almost all multicellular invertebrates are indeed wormlike" - almost all invertebrates are arthropods (mostly arachnids + insects), by number of individuals + species. but i guess you *could* say that many/most(?) animal phyla are worm-like.

The following problems were found in [[Word Lists|the official gismu list]]:

* ciste: The definition does not contain a verb. I believe the words "is a" should be inserted before "system".
* jegvo: The keyword, "Jehovist," is actually a synonym for "Yahwist" and does not mean "pertaining to Judaism, Christianity, and/or Islam"; the correct term to use here is "Abrahamic."

* jukni: Crustaceans (which include crabs & lobsters) are *not* arachnids, nor are all non-insect arthropods arachnids. Additionally, the definition needs to be clearer as to whether it refers to all arachnids or just spiders (or all non-insect arthropods, if you change it appropriately); they are not the same thing.
* jurme: "a bacteria"; "bacteria" is plural, "bacterium" is singular

* kolme: The definition seems to use "bituminous" as a noun even though every dictionary I have checked says that it is an adjective.
* konju: The notes seem to imply that "ellipse" and "ellipsoid" are valid translations despite the fact that these are not compatible with the keyword "cone."

* kurfa: The notes seem to imply that "rectilinear" is a valid translation despite the fact that it does not actually mean "a right-angled shape/form."
* navni: The list of noble/inert gases omits krypton. / Inert gases are different from noble gases both in the intension and the extension. the term for "noble gas" is more useful as gismu, while "inert gas" can be expressed with lujvo {tolfragapci}. The extension of noble gas is composed of helium, neon, argon, krypton, xenon and radon. The ununoctium, a member of Group 18, may not be a member of noble gas because of its chemical properties.

* skari: It is unclear what sort of thing can fill the x2 (a property, a spectrum of light, etc)
* tadji: The notes advise to see also "tai", yet "ta'i" is clearly what is meant.

* xanri: The notes should read "...note that '''x1''' is imaginary...". Also, while not exactly an error, the last statement of the notes seems to be a bit of a ''non sequitur'' with the previous statement (Should it say "they thereby do not exist"?).
* jalra: sanjalra ("spanish roach") should be sagjalra (singing roach).

* lanbi: x3 is missing.
* prenu: x2 is missing.

* bancu: The meaning of the x3 is ill-defined. Is it the thing bound?
* pensi2/djuno3: [[pensi2 and djuno3 issues|that's up with that?]]

* catlu/viska, zgana/ganse: It looks like the relationship between catlu and viska is that between "I look at the horizon" and "I see the mountain"; so approx: catlu = troci lo nu viska , zgana = troci lo nu ganse; this needs to be clarified in the definitions.
* {{jvs|finpe}}: parenthetical remark "metaphorical extension to sharks, non-fish aquatic vertebrates" implies sharks are not fish, but they are, so that word should be removed.
* {{jvs|logji}}: Add a note that it's about formal systems of manipulating symbols, and that English "logical" is often about racli instead.
* {{jvs|xagri}}: The English word for xagri is 'reed', which is amazingly dumb. It needs to be changed to 'reed instrument' or 'woodwind' or something. -[[rlpowell]]
* {{jvs|skina}}: The definition gives "cinema" as a translation; skina is not a place.

== Other Issues ==

Issues brought up by members of the community:

===gismu that are hard to decipher===
Some '''[[gismu]]''' are hard to understand from their official definitions. Many '''gismu''' concepts (perhaps most of them) are unclear in extent. We'll have to decide by using 'em.
==== talsa ====
{{gl|talsa|x1 (person) challenges x2 at/in property x3}}
* In what sense of "challenge"? If it's some kind of contest or dispute, why is it over a quality? Does this mean a challenge to display some information? Does it mean that x1 has almost as much x3 as x2 does (then why restrict to a person)? I can't make sense of it at all! What do you think it means?
** ''I challenge you to a game of chance'' means that I think I am luckier than you, and thus challenge you in the property of luck. ''I challenge you to a duel'' means that I think I am a better fencer/fusileer/whatever than you, and intend to back it up.
==== xamgu ====
{{gl|xamgu|x1 (object/event) is good/beneficial/nice/<nowiki>[acceptable]</nowiki> for x2 by standard x3}}
* What is the selection restriction on x2? "For" is vague, it could mean a person, property, event, or almost anything. The ''[[cmavo|cmavo]]'' list gives ''seva'u'' as "with beneficiary", apparently meaning that a typical value for xamgu x2 is a person. But that doesn't make sense to me; I see "benefiting a person" is an example of raising from, say, "benefiting the goals of a person". To me ''xamgu'' only makes sense with x2=a goal (a desire, a need, that kinda thing).
** Why can it benefit a person's goals but not the person? To me, it makes more sense to benefit a person. Often, when one is benefitted, it's not a goal specifically. The only tricky part is deciding whether something is beneficial or detrimental in the end. "Even the very wise cannot see all ends." However, that does not mean that we can't claim that something benefits a person. -- mi'e [[bancus|bancus]].
*[[The Book|The Book]] says that x2 is "the person for whom it is good". See Chapter 5 section 7.

==== mifra ====
{{gl|mifra|x1 is encoded/cipher text of plain-text x2 by code/coding system x3}}
That sounds like it's written to include mainly secret codes. I'm tempted to think that any protocol for using symbols is a '''te mifra''', including languages. '''mi'e [[jezrax|jezrax]]'''
*lo'e mifra cu mipri le notci loi na'e ve notci be fo ri .i lo'e bangu cu na go'i .iku'i roda naku zo'u ledu'u da bangu cu natfe ledu'u da mifra .ibo mu'a le bangu no'u la navaxos. ca le remoi ke barda jamna cu co'e --mi'e [[.djorden.]]
==== zutse ====

{{gl|zutse|x1 sits <nowiki>[assumes sitting position]</nowiki> on surface x2}}
The phrase "assumes sitting position" seems to imply that the gismu means "sit down", which it, [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/4877 according to Lojbab], doesn't. (That would be {zutse binxo}.)

The "assumes sitting position" is silly, but it seems as though an understanding of the tense system should make it clear that the gismu wouldn't mean that.

No, the tense system doesn't help to decide. There are many gismu that refer to a transition, for example '''canci'''.

*BTW, does '''mo'u jimpe''' mean "fully understand" or "end of understanding"?
**I think it means ''finish understanding'', whatever the natural end of understanding is. ''fully understand'' should be something like '''mulno le ka jimpe''', ('''jmimu'o''').
***So after '''mi mo'u jimpe''', I no longer understand?

=== Uncategorized Other Issues ===
* '''carna''', turning, and rotation. Huge mailing list threads: [https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/lojban/i-8OXx8PVx8%5B1-25%5D]; camgusmis's solution: [https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/lojban/qTVLbtzCYsQ]
* '''detri''': The x1 is said to be in format <nowiki>[</nowiki>day,{week},{month},year<nowiki>]</nowiki>, using {} for who knows what, and canonically forcing a little-endian date (with week number!). Can we change this to big-endian, and resolve this once and for all?
* The notes for {'''djuno'''} and {'''krici'''} don't mention {'''jinvi'''} at all, and the definition for {jinvi} doesn't mention "belief" or "believe". There's far too much that makes {jinvi} look like it's only for subjective opinions, and not for objective or testable facts. And using {jinvi} with indirect questions ("I know who killed me") seems off.
* The notes of rivbi claim that '''fanta''' is agentive. Assuming rivbi's notes aren't lying, could the fact that fanta is agentive be added to fanta's definition please?
* '''kutyje'u''': It should be mentioned that ''logical'' tautology is meant, the rhetorical device does not make sense here.
* '''linsi''': The word “length” in the description is very confusing, because the measure is not meant, but a whole string.
* rlpowell: WRT '''panra''': I find "differing only in" to be colloquially confusing; "with differentiating property" would make it better for me; I'm not sure I can explain why.
* '''selci''' / '''ratni''' ?
* '''sevzi''': To all appearances, it appears to be about the mind, some sort of secular soul. But [http://nuzban.wiw.org/archive/9505/msg00068.html apparently] lojbab intended it as a translation of the prefix "self-" (please see the link, don't take it from me). But how is that any different from {mintu}? How is {mi lo sevzi be mi cu lumci} (using the intended, not apparent, definition of {sevzi}) different from {mi lo mintu be mi cu lumci}? In any case, the definition (and the cf. list!) needs to be rewritten, because it really seems right now like it's a, well, to quote its definition, ego/id/identity-image.
* '''simsa''' shouldn't have "parallel" in the definition. It should be defined as exactly opposite of panra.
* [http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/xrugau xrugau] is the only place where I see the proposed definition of '''xruti''' by xorxes: x1 returns to state x2 from state x3. I think that should also be here.
* '''zajba''': the gloss "gymnastics" has caused this gismu to be very little used, as people seem to assume that it's reserved for the particular formal sport of gymnastics, but to be gismu-useful-broad it should probably include a much wider range of physical activities, certainly circus performing or tai chi, but also it would be most useful if allowed to become broad enough to be the missing gismu for "sport" so that it could make type-3-fu'ivla for nonce words for sports (and other physical bodily games, exercises and activities).
* '''zdile''': having "amusing" as a gloss is misleading; "entertaining", as opposed to "comical", is what is really meant.
* kribacr and others on IRC are using the term ziltau to refer to what the parsers call a tanru-unit. The idea is that you cannot create tanru out of selbri per se - selbri include things like na broda and ka'e brode. Thus tanru are exclusively created out of ziltau. ziltau lack a 'tense slot' or 'negation slot' - these are things selbri own. The question arises - is this completely accurate? Can we say that na broda isn't really a selbri - but instead that broda is the selbri and na is just a negation 'tag' applied that selbri? Clear definition of what selbri are and if the term ziltau is needed would be useful.

=== Semantic Inconsistencies ===

* Can a person be drani by doing the right thing? Consensus seems to be that no, only an action/event/that sort of thing can be drani, that it's more like {mapti}. But the text is horribly unclear.
**If it's alright for someone like me to comment here, the gismu list does contain several words which all mean very similar things (drani, mapti, vrude, even xamgu, etc.) --[[User:PlasticRaven|Plastic Raven]]

* There have been many threads in the past over an issue regarding the definition of {botpi}, which now seems irrelevant as they had been arguing over an old definition that read something to the affect "x1 bottles x2 with x3". While this is completely irrelevant now, the idea behind it is still valid. Is a bottle still a bottle without contents? I'd say yes. Is a bottle still a bottle without a lid? I'd say no (at that point it's a bottle-shaped cup {lo kabri be tai lo botpi}.). However, we should make a language-wide decision. Does a dog stop being a dog after it dies? Does a bottle stop being a bottle when it's not bottling? Does a programmer cease to be a programmer when ey's not programming? --Lindar
** If it was up to me, I'd define certain places as being ka'e-able: that is, "this place is normally filled by X [where in the case of botpi X would be "what the bottle currently contains"], but even if there is no current or obvious X, the capability is sufficient for the semantics of this word; zi'o should only be used if the capability has been lost". --[[camgusmis]]
* dei preti lo vlavelcki be zo __bridi__ be'o no'u zoi gy. x_1 (text) is a predicate relationship with relation x_2 among arguments (sequence/set) x_3 .gy. %%% i zu'u ca'edai x_1 po zo bridi cu sinxa secu'u zoi gy. (text) .gy. %%% ije zu'unai ca'edai x_1 cu me la'e zoi gy. a predicate relationship .gy. lu'u noi se sinxa %%% i ganai x_1 cu sinxa gi .ei vlavelcki fa zoi gy. x_1 (text) signifies a predicate relationship .gy. %%% i ganai x_1 cu se sinxa gi .ei vlavelcki fa zoi gy. x_1 (du'u) is a predicate relationship .gy. %%% i ko ctuca fi lo du'u .ei cuxna makau -la guskant<br />** zo bridi zo'u mi jinvi lo du'u di'e mupli lo drani jufra %%% .i lo du'u mi prami do cu bridi lo ka ce'u prami ce'u kei mi ce'o do %%% .i va'i lo pa moi be lo sumti pe zo bridi cu du'u zei sucta -la selpa'i ([https://groups.google.com/d/topic/bpfk-list/yChr3cGT1_Q/discussion|nuncasnu])

=== Abstraction Inconsistencies ===

* Regarding '''fenki''' and other such, why are such words requiring {nu}, but '''xajmi''' and others not. [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/9de182fad80d38aa referenced here.]
* What can the x1 of '''sidju''' be? An event or an agent or both or something else?

* [https://groups.google.com/group/lojban/tree/browse_frm/month/2005-01/96315dc4da488dfd?rnum=41&_done=%2Fgroup%2Flojban%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2005-01%3F#doc_a4761944c07b35c2 we don't have all the measurements.]
* [https://groups.google.com/group/lojban/tree/browse_frm/month/2005-02/14a92824961744de?rnum=11&_done=%2Fgroup%2Flojban%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2005-02%3F#doc_7d0c998ae7e1a285 Is '''pacna''' broken?]

* [https://groups.google.com/group/lojban/tree/browse_frm/month/2005-12/c099da8a6ffb20c1?rnum=41&_done=%2Fgroup%2Flojban%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2005-12%3F#doc_4e8d0617170ee533 gunma]
* Oren has expressed concern about the [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/browse_thread/thread/962ace956da58b6e/cfad6ee769a5e65c laces which require abstraction] and would like the definitions to be more specific. Instead of (quality/event/state) it should read (ka/nu/za'i).

=== Ambiguity ===

* What does the x2 of '''botpi''' ("container ''for'' x2") mean? It is about capability or actual contents or what? -camgusmis
* What '''carmi'''/'''mutce'''/'''tsali'''/'''vitci''' (others?) can apply to: [https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!msg/lojban/pj3pLOl8Hg8/oNXIIKYVy-MJ]

* '''cirko''': The glosses, "x1 loses person/thing x2 at/near x3" and "x1 loses property/feature x2 in conditions/situation x3" overload the loss of an object and a feature. Is this a useful compression of gismu space, or does this word have two different meanings?
** Interesting question, but does it have any pragmatic implications? Anyway, I opine that it has two different meanings. I probably feel this way because I'm so used to Lojban words eschewing this kind of overloading, compared to English. E.g. ponse/ckaji (hey, wait, aren't these the same, modulo tense, to cirko?), nitcu/sarcu, djica/seljaxseldjica.

* '''vajni''': similarly to cirko, objects and events are compressed in the x2 place. In both cases, this is not ambiguous, as the type of one sumti implies the type of other sumti. Thoughts?
* '''ctuca''': the x3 place specifies “methods” as included as possible referent set, but also requires it to be a du'u-type abstract. It is unclear how a method can also be a du'u-type abstract, and “methods” should probably be removed. On the other hand, there is no obvious way to talk about instruction in skills, as opposed to ideas.

* What does '''dukse''' mean? Can I say "lo cakla cu dukse lo ka titla"? What about {le girzu cu dukse lo tadni} for "too many students in the group"? I suspect that x1 should be object(s) (mass?) and x2 a property? -camgusmis
* '''febvi''': The gloss, "x1 boils/evaporates at temperature x2 and pressure x3." is a bit like saying "x1 is a cat/mammal of breed/species x2"." (tswett, #jbopre, 6 May 2011) Boiling is the rapid vaporization of an entire liquid, whereas evaporation is a vaporization that occurs only on the surface of the liquid. Should this gloss be corrected to always refer to vaporization?
** Consider that the layman (such as the writer of this comment!) might not know such a technical difference between "boil" and "evaporate". To such a layman, they are synonyms, and you know how the gismu list loves all synonyms equally. What remains to be argued is how common are people who know the difference; I can only proffer myself as an example of one who did not, until now, know.
*** Whether or not most people know the difference between the english words, the definition of '''fevbi''' should at least make clear which is meant (although in this case, as boiling is a sort of evaporation, it seems more likely that evaporation is meant).
* The x2 of '''klani''' is rather non-specific and [https://groups.google.com/group/lojban/tree/browse_frm/month/2008-12/3704fd6219532cda?hl=en&rnum=11&_done=%2Fgroup%2Flojban%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2008-12%3Fhl%3Den%26scoring%3Dd%26&scoring=d#doc_3704fd6219532cda some really don't understand what it means]. I ( lindar ) think it's a numeric value based on how other measure-words are formed.

* '''pritu''' and '''zunle''' have a interesting ambiguity. Is the x3 the orientation of the x1 ("which faces") or a frame of reference form the speaker's point of view? Or is it, as the notes say, "the standard of orientation for x2"? Any of these could be argued, but there are cases where any is true and the others are not. See the thread [https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/59IokWZ_fpo] for more discussion here; there's a real problem, with wording if nothing else.
* It is unclear if '''farna''' is about direction or facing; see the thread [https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/iVn970_8DfA] for more discussion here. {fa'a} is discussed [[fa'a as orientation|here]].

* It is *very* unclear what the x3 of '''tubnu''' is; see [https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/31yePtXfZ3Q]
* What is going on with the x3 and x4 of '''xrani'''? How do you fill those? I certainly don't know. -camgusmis < djancak> hmmm i guess you could damage the property of social well being as opposed to physical well being < ksion> Or self-esteem. Or privacy. Etc.

=== Place inconsistencies ===

* At jbonunsla 2011, we were comparing the sumti for '''ckana''' (bed) and '''stizu''' (chair). Compared to ckana, stizu seems underspecified. It has only an x1 place. What places do the other furniture gismu have? Did we manage to encode what amounts to a sexual joke in the definition of ckana? Or should all furniture gismu be that generous?
* The word '''namcu''' [http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/browse_thread/thread/41d334a91bbc0732 doesn't include a place for the base], where logically one would assume the x2 would be "in base x2". ''doesn't namcu1 include the base? (there's a cmavo for it, in mekso) --tsani''

** It says "refers to the value and not the symbol". {li pano} is not a symbol for which you can ask what base it is in, it is just a number, a Platonic ideal if you will.
* [https://groups.google.com/group/lojban/tree/browse_frm/month/2005-08/6a2022643f959c80?rnum=11&_done=%2Fgroup%2Flojban%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2005-08%3F#doc_27e47c902e118083 place structure of minli].

* '''pluja''' and '''sampu''' are antonyms, but only pluja has the x3 (by standard) place.
* There are 37 gismu that name specific plants or animals. 33 of these have the definition lo broda cu broda lo jutsi. The 4 exceptions are '''tirxu''', '''vidru''', '''lanme''', and '''civla'''. lanme has an x3 of flock. It should either be removed, or flock added to kanba and all of the species of flocking birds. As an example of a collective noun, if it is not removed, perhaps all of the species should be reviewed for whether they "flock."

* Continuing the above, '''tirxu''' has an x3 because it is overloading several feline species in a single gismu, and the x3 allows specificity. Should lujvo be created for each of these species with the coat marking, rather than having an x3 place? Conversely, should '''jalra''', '''jukni''', '''kumte''', '''mirli''', '''smani''', '''toldi''' have an x3? They're the other gismu with overloaded (i.e, multi species) animals. (note jalra is mentioned elsewhere in this document)
* There are a number of gismu for family relations which are not necessarily biological. Of them, '''dzena''', '''famti''', '''tamne''', '''tunba''', '''bruna''' and '''mensi''' have an x3 place for bond/tie, while '''rirni''', '''mamta''', '''patfu''', '''bersa''', '''tixnu''' do not. For example "this is my adopted son" may be expressed by {ti bersa mi lo nu (adopt)}, but then the meaning of the x3 place is implicit, as there's no such place in the definition.

=== Keywords ===

* Cannot find '''clika''' when searching for “moss”; “moss” should be the gloss word.
* The definition for {'''cinba'''} useth "busses". Zounds, who knoweth that word in lieu of "kiss"?

=== Lack of places ===

* '''cisma''' and '''cmila''' need more places, so I can say "what a big smile!". -[[rlpowell]]
* '''tunlo''': x2 is absent. The definition should definitely be x1 gulps/swallows x2. -- mi'e [[la gleki]]

* Shouldn't '''tunta''' (definition: x1 (object, usually pointed) pokes/jabs/stabs/prods x2 (experiencer] have an x3 place for the locus on x2 where it gets poked?

=== Lack of gismu ===

* There is a gismu for "liver", but no gismu for "stomach" or "spine"? There is a word for "chest" but no word for "back"? Really? mi'e la [[User:Robin Lee Powell|.camgusmis.]]
* We need gismu for day of the week, day of the month, and month of the year. Addresses in calendar-space, not durations. [https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/lojban-beginners/0UupKOwnGhU/soesDwzSYlYJ] and [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/0UupKOwnGhU/Xeq2PX8qm5cJ] for details.

* The difficult part is a word or phrase for "position" as in "stance", but that's the same problem we have for all such names of properties ("shape", "size", "age", "height", and so on). We have words for specific types of them, but not for the general property. ( from https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/lojban/jB9Zs2vHuKE )
* There is a general problem with having a full set of words for sensory experience; see [[BPFK Section: sensory gismu]] or http://mail.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg33823.html and http://mail.lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/msg33824.html

=== [[experimental gismu|experimental gismu]] ===

=== [[Types|Types]] ===

What type is porsi2: is it a binary predicate, or is it a unary function from predicates to numbers/numberish things (the same type as zmadu3)? In either case, is it ascending or descending? To put it another way, we have 4 cases:

porsi((y1,y2,...),P,A) <-> (for all i,j) i<j <-> P(yi,yj)

porsi((y1,y2,...),P,A) <-> (for all i,j) i>j <-> P(yi,yj)

porsi((y1,y2,...),f,A) <-> (for all i,j) i>j <-> f(yi)>f(yj)

porsi((y1,y2,...),f,A) <-> (for all i,j) i<j <-> f(yi)>f(yj)

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