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== BPFK Section: Vocatives (Tiki thread #3453) ==

=== Re: BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''rlpowell · 2005-01-08 00:46 UTC · Tiki post #3454 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">The lack of a COI for "I'm sorry" seems like a pretty obvious whole in the COI set.

-Robin</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''rab.spir · 2005-01-10 16:56 UTC · Tiki post #3459 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 04:46:59PM -0800, wikidiscuss@lojban.org wrote:
> Re: BPFK Section: Vocatives
> The lack of a COI for "I'm sorry" seems like a pretty obvious whole in the COI set.

What's wrong with u'u? Why does it need to be COI and not UI?
--
Rob Speer</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''rlpowell · 2005-01-10 16:57 UTC · Tiki post #3460 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 11:12:52PM -0500, Rob Speer wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 04:46:59PM -0800, wikidiscuss@lojban.org
> wrote:
> > The lack of a COI for "I'm sorry" seems like a pretty obvious
> > whole in the COI set.
>
> What's wrong with u'u? Why does it need to be COI and not UI?

Because we have a COI for "thank you <name>". A COI for "I'm sorry
<name>" seems an obvious parallelism. There's a *huge* difference
between expressing regret and opologizing.

-Robin</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''Anonymous · 2005-01-12 02:45 UTC · Tiki post #3685 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Re: BPFK Section: Vocatives
The lack of a COI for "I'm sorry" seems like a pretty obvious whole in the COI set.

-Robin</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''Anonymous · 2005-02-01 00:16 UTC · Tiki post #3825 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">wikidiscuss@lojban.org scripsit:
> Re: BPFK Section: Vocatives
> The lack of a COI for "I'm sorry" seems like a pretty obvious whole in the COI set.

Why a COI rather than just a UI, which we already have, indeed two different
ones (uu and u'u) for the two senses of "I'm sorry"?

--
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Our business in every generation is to reclaim a little more land,
to add something to the extent and the solidity of our possessions.
--Thomas Henry Huxley</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''rlpowell · 2005-02-01 00:16 UTC · Tiki post #3826 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 05:52:21PM -0500, John Cowan wrote:
> wikidiscuss@lojban.org scripsit:
> > The lack of a COI for "I'm sorry" seems like a pretty obvious
> > whole in the COI set.
>
> Why a COI rather than just a UI, which we already have, indeed two
> different ones (uu and u'u) for the two senses of "I'm sorry"?

Because we have coi for please and thank you.

-Robin</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''xorxes · 2005-02-01 00:16 UTC · Tiki post #3827 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">--- John Cowan wrote:
> wikidiscuss@lojban.org scripsit:
> > Re: BPFK Section: Vocatives
> > The lack of a COI for "I'm sorry" seems like a pretty obvious whole in the
> COI set.
>
> Why a COI rather than just a UI, which we already have, indeed two different
> ones (uu and u'u) for the two senses of "I'm sorry"?

Presumably he was thinking of the u'u sense.

It's not easy to see how this was decided:

COI UI
pe'u e'o
ki'e ???
??? u'u

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=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''rlpowell · 2005-02-01 00:16 UTC · Tiki post #3828 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:02:20PM -0800, Jorge Llambías wrote:
>
> --- John Cowan wrote:
> > wikidiscuss@lojban.org scripsit:
> > > Re: BPFK Section: Vocatives The lack of a COI for "I'm sorry"
> > > seems like a pretty obvious whole in the
> > COI set.
> >
> > Why a COI rather than just a UI, which we already have, indeed
> > two different ones (uu and u'u) for the two senses of "I'm
> > sorry"?
>
> Presumably he was thinking of the u'u sense.
>
> It's not easy to see how this was decided:
>
> COI UI
> pe'u e'o
> ki'e ???
> ??? u'u

Indeed.

Furthermore, my .u'u are usually *directed* *at* someone.

-Robin</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''Anonymous · 2005-02-01 00:17 UTC · Tiki post #3829 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Jorge Llambías scripsit:

> It's not easy to see how this was decided:
>
> COI UI
> pe'u e'o
> ki'e ???
> ??? u'u

I think that the first of these is a wart, and that e'o shouldn't have been
created (but waaay too late now). In general there shouldn't be overlap
between COI and UI.

--
John Cowan www.ccil.org/~cowan www.reutershealth.com jcowan@reutershealth.com
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brought war into Arvernien / with burning and with broken troth.
and Elwing from her fastness dim / then cast her in the waters wide,
but like a mew was swiftly borne, / uplifted o'er the roaring tide.
--the Earendillinwe</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''xorxes · 2005-02-01 00:17 UTC · Tiki post #3830 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">--- Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:02:20PM -0800, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> > It's not easy to see how this was decided:
> >
> > COI UI
> > pe'u e'o
> > ki'e ???
> > ??? u'u
>
> Indeed.
>
> Furthermore, my .u'u are usually *directed* *at* someone.

You can always say {u'u doi dav}, but then why not {e'o doi dav}
instead of {pe'u dav}, and why not {i'o doi dav} instead of
{ki'e dav}? (except that's not quite the sense of {i'o}.)

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=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''rlpowell · 2005-02-01 00:17 UTC · Tiki post #3831 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 06:11:35PM -0500, John Cowan wrote:
> Jorge Llambías scripsit:
>
> > It's not easy to see how this was decided:
> >
> > COI UI
> > pe'u e'o
> > ki'e ???
> > ??? u'u
>
> I think that the first of these is a wart, and that e'o shouldn't
> have been created (but waaay too late now). In general there
> shouldn't be overlap between COI and UI.

Too late, as you noted.

Regardless, I would like a way to direct my .u'u without using
xenru. We can just note the request and move on, no?

-Robin</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''xorxes · 2005-02-01 00:17 UTC · Tiki post #3832 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">--- John Cowan <jcowan@reutershealth.com> wrote:

> Jorge Llambías scripsit:
>
> > It's not easy to see how this was decided:
> >
> > COI UI
> > pe'u e'o
> > ki'e ???
> > ??? u'u
>
> I think that the first of these is a wart, and that e'o shouldn't have been
> created (but waaay too late now). In general there shouldn't be overlap
> between COI and UI.

{e'o} is used more than {pe'u} though. I think most COIs (all but {mi'e}
actually) should have been in UI.

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=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''rlpowell · 2005-02-01 00:17 UTC · Tiki post #3833 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:19:43PM -0800, Jorge Llambías wrote:
>
> --- John Cowan <jcowan@reutershealth.com> wrote:
>
> > Jorge Llambías scripsit:
> >
> > > It's not easy to see how this was decided:
> > >
> > > COI UI
> > > pe'u e'o
> > > ki'e ???
> > > ??? u'u
> >
> > I think that the first of these is a wart, and that e'o
> > shouldn't have been created (but waaay too late now). In
> > general there shouldn't be overlap between COI and UI.
>
> {e'o} is used more than {pe'u} though.

Not by me. Not by a long shot. I strongly prefer COI to UI
whenever another person is involved.

-Robin</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''xorxes · 2005-02-01 00:17 UTC · Tiki post #3834 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">--- Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:19:43PM -0800, Jorge Llambías wrote:
>
> > {e'o} is used more than {pe'u} though.
>
> Not by me. Not by a long shot. I strongly prefer COI to UI
> whenever another person is involved.

Even when it is already clear who you are talking to?
I often find COIs cumbersome because they require some
terminator when it's already obvious who you are talking to.
And I have noticed that forgetting that terminator is a very
frequent mistake.

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=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''rlpowell · 2005-02-01 00:17 UTC · Tiki post #3835 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:27:05PM -0800, Jorge Llambías wrote:
>
> --- Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:19:43PM -0800, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> >
> > > {e'o} is used more than {pe'u} though.
> >
> > Not by me. Not by a long shot. I strongly prefer COI to UI
> > whenever another person is involved.
>
> Even when it is already clear who you are talking to?

Yup.

> I often find COIs cumbersome because they require some terminator
> when it's already obvious who you are talking to.

I use "do", but it's a good point.

> And I have noticed that forgetting that terminator is a very
> frequent mistake.

Yup.

-Robin</div>

=== Re: BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''arj · 2007-06-10 21:34 UTC · Tiki post #6223 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">> be'e nolni'u io
> re'i
> xu do dunda lo sicni
> Pardon me, ma'am.
> Yes?
> Can you spare a dime?

The last sentence here, in Lojban, should be something like "e'o ko dunda lo sicni", possibly with a "ga'i nai" thrown in for good measure. (Requests, no matter how polite, should not be phrased as questions.)

> pe'u do'u ko na dunda lo cidja lo danlu
I think "le danlu" would be slightly better, if it is intended to refer to some zoo animals. Otherwise, to follow the prohibition, you couldn't feed human beings either.

You missed the triple-percentage sign after:
> ko ti klama doi gerku

-arj
(posting from web interface because the thread is so old that I don't have a copy anymore)</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''Anonymous · 2007-06-11 15:42 UTC · Tiki post #6224 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On 6/10/07, arj <wikidiscuss@lojban.org> wrote:
>
> > xu do dunda lo sicni
>
> The last sentence here, in Lojban, should be something like "e'o ko
> dunda lo sicni", possibly with a "ga'i nai" thrown in for good measure.
> (Requests, no matter how polite, should not be phrased as questions.)

I disagree, I don't see any problem in using questions, assertions, or any
other type of utterance, to make requests, to make insinuations, etc. What
effect an utterance has on the listener is a matter of pragmatics. "Is it true
that you are going to be so generous as to give me a dime?" is a perfectly
valid question to make. However, phrasing it as a blunt request is also
possible, so I changed it.

> > pe'u do'u ko na dunda lo cidja lo danlu
> I think "le danlu" would be slightly better, if it is intended to refer to some
> zoo animals. Otherwise, to follow the prohibition, you couldn't feed human
> beings either.

OK, changed. (I disagree with your conclusion, but it's no big deal.)

> You missed the triple-percentage sign after:
> > ko ti klama doi gerku

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=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''arj · 2007-06-12 09:03 UTC · Tiki post #6228 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">> nu'e do'u mi na za'u re'u pante ca le cabdei .i .yy go'i nu'e nai .i ti mabla

You should avoid using "mabla" in examples until we have resolved its place structure.

--
Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/
[T]he savvy DXer will usually bet a pair of nickels he can pinpoint the DXCC
country of the "chopity-chow-pit chow-chow-pi-chow" even before he hears the
call sign. -John F. Lindholm, QST vol. 66 no. 3 p. 83 </div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''Anonymous · 2007-06-12 12:49 UTC · Tiki post #6229 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On 6/12/07, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
> > nu'e do'u mi na za'u re'u pante ca le cabdei .i .yy go'i nu'e nai .i ti mabla
>
> You should avoid using "mabla" in examples until we have resolved its place structure.

OK, I changed it to "rigni".

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=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''arj · 2007-06-24 15:32 UTC · Tiki post #6234 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">The definition for "je'e nai" is too vague. I propose something like "Used to indicate that a message was not understood."

--
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=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''Anonymous · 2007-06-24 17:52 UTC · Tiki post #6235 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On 6/24/07, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
> The definition for "je'e nai" is too vague. I propose something
> like "Used to indicate that a message was not understood."

I think {je'e} is not restricted to understanding only, so I changed it to:

"Used to deny acknowledgement or indicate that a message was not
understood."

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=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''arj · 2008-11-24 22:16 UTC · Tiki post #7656 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Sorry for breaking threading, but the web interface for discussions seems to be broken. Hope this message makes it through.

Comments for Vocatives:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
In fe'o, "the end of a discussion" is too specific. How about something like "the end of a conversation"?

The definition for ju'i cu'i doesn't seem to fit in at the midpoint of the scale. Can we take out the soldiers somehow?

ki'e nai: isn't this more like ingratitude?

nu'e nai: your definition is actually pretty close to the one in the cmavo list, which says "un-promise". :-)

In the example for "ta'a da ma stuzi lo vimku'a", I would perhaps use "ta'a do'u" instead, since using "da" presupposes that the person(s) addressed have at least one referent.

Suggested additional keywords:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
je'e nai: excuse me? pardon?

ju'i nai: nevermind.

--
Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/
You Can't Have Your Kate And Edith Too.</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''" Jorge Llambías " <jjllambias@gmail.com> · 2008-11-24 22:16 UTC · Tiki post #7657 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
> Sorry for breaking threading, but the web interface for discussions seems to be broken. Hope this message makes it through.

At least Gmail threaded it properly.

> Comments for Vocatives:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> In fe'o, "the end of a discussion" is too specific. How about something like "the end of a conversation"?

Changed to "the end of a conversation or discussion". OK?

> The definition for ju'i cu'i doesn't seem to fit in at the midpoint of the scale. Can we take out the soldiers somehow?

Suggestions? That's the only use of "at ease" I know of.

> ki'e nai: isn't this more like ingratitude?

"No thanks to you" doesn't mean ingratitude. Ingratitude is not
something one expresses, it's rather a lack of expressing.

> nu'e nai: your definition is actually pretty close to the one in the cmavo list, which says "un-promise". :-)

Are you complaining that I'm following the cmavo list too closely? :)

> In the example for "ta'a da ma stuzi lo vimku'a", I would perhaps use "ta'a do'u" instead, since using "da" presupposes that the person(s) addressed have at least one referent.

Well, presumably there are people present there. Otherwise it couldn't
be an interruption.

> Suggested additional keywords:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> je'e nai: excuse me? pardon?
>
> ju'i nai: nevermind.

OK.

mu'o mi'e xorxes</div>

=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''arj · 2008-11-24 22:17 UTC · Tiki post #7658 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:12:15PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
> > Comments for Vocatives:
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > In fe'o, "the end of a discussion" is too specific. How about something like "the end of a conversation"?
>
> Changed to "the end of a conversation or discussion". OK?

OK.

> > The definition for ju'i cu'i doesn't seem to fit in at the midpoint of the scale. Can we take out the soldiers somehow?
>
> Suggestions? That's the only use of "at ease" I know of.

Hmm, a tough one. How about this?

ju'i cu'i (COI*)
Vocative. Used to suggest a normal level of attention, for instance as a command to troops to assume a relaxed position.

This seems to me to most accurately reflect what should intuitively be the midpoint between ju'i and ju'i nai. Note that not all UI+cu'i or COI+cu'i combinations have definitions, but that does not mean that we can't use them, but (IMHO) that their meaning is difficult to express in English.

> > nu'e nai: your definition is actually pretty close to the one in the cmavo list, which says "un-promise". :-)
>
> Are you complaining that I'm following the cmavo list too closely? :)

Quite the opposite: when the cmavo list and the CLL are in disagreement, I think it is *more* okay to second-guess CLL. :-)

--
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=== BPFK Section: Vocatives ===
''" Jorge Llambías " <jjllambias@gmail.com> · 2008-11-24 22:17 UTC · Tiki post #7660 (reply to #3453)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
>
> Hmm, a tough one. How about this?
>
> ju'i cu'i (COI*)
> Vocative. Used to suggest a normal level of attention, for instance as a command to troops to assume a relaxed position.
>
> This seems to me to most accurately reflect what should intuitively be the midpoint between ju'i and ju'i nai.

OK. Done.

> Note that not all UI+cu'i or COI+cu'i combinations have definitions, but that does not mean that we can't use them, but (IMHO) that their meaning is difficult to express in English.

Sure. I'd be happy to remove "ju'o cu'i" from the list entirely.

(BTW, ju'i Robin, whenever I edit a tiki page I get an error, I have
to go back and only the second time the edit goes through. Also, the
changes don't show up in "Recent Changes", and they don't seem to be
posted to the wikichanges list.)

mi'e xorxes</div>

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== â¿QuÃ© es Lojban? (Tiki thread #9563) ==

=== Re: ¿Qué es Lojban? ===
''leos · 2010-03-03 17:13 UTC · Tiki post #9564 (reply to #9563)''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">> Use this thread to discuss the page:: [¿Qué es Lojban?|¿Qué es Lojban?]
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''Lojban'' es un lenguaje artificial. Fue originalmente llamado ''Loglan'' por el fundador del proyecto, ''Dr. James Cooke Brown'', quien arrancó el desarrollo del lenguaje en ''1955''. Loglan/Lojban ha sido construido durante cuatro décadas por docenas de trabajadores y cientos de admiradores, liderado desde ''1987'' por [[The Logical Language Group|The Logical Language Group]] (Grupo del Lenguaje Lógico).
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ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್ ಒಂದು ಆಡುವ ಭಾಷೆ. ಇದು ಮಾನವ ಸಂಭಾಷಣೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಇರುವ ಸಂದ್ಗಿದತೆಗಳನ್ನು ನಿವಾರಿಸಲು ವಿಶೇಷ ಗಮನ ಹರಿಸಿ ನಿರ್ಮಿಸಿದಂತಹ ಒಂದು ವಿಶಿಷ್ಟವಾದ ಭಾಷೆ. ಸೈಂಟಿಫಿಕ್ ಅಮೇರಿಕನ್ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಹಾಗೂ ಕೆಲ ವೈಜ್ಞಾನಿಕ ಪುಸ್ತಕಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಇದನ್ನು ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಿಸಲಾಗಿದೆ. ಹೀಗೆ ಈ ಭಾಷೆ ಎಲ್ಲೆಡೆ ಹೆಸರುವಾಸಿಯಾಗಿದೆ. ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್ ಭಾಷೆಯನ್ನು ಐದು ದಶಕಗಳ ಕಾಲ ಹಲವಾರು ಪರಿಣಿತರು ಮತ್ತು ನೂರಾರು ಅಭಿಮಾನಿಗಳು ಸೇರಿ ಕಟ್ಟಿದ್ದಾರೆ.

ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್‌ನಲ್ಲಿ ಹಲವಾರು ಅಂಶಗಳು ಕೂಡಿ ಅದನ್ನು ವಿಶಿಷ್ಟಗೊಳಿಸಿದೆ:

* ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್ ಮನುಷ್ಯರ ನಡುವಿನ ಸಂಭಾಷಣೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಉಪಯೋಗಿಸಬಹುದಾಗಿದೆ. ಮುಂದೆ ಇದನ್ನು ಕಂಪ್ಯೂಟರ್‌ನಲ್ಲಿ ಸಹ ಬಳಸಬಹುದಾಗಿದೆ.
* ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್‌ನನ್ನು ಯಾವುದೇ ಕ್ಷೇತ್ರ ಅಥವಾ ಭೌಗೋಳಿಕ ಸ್ಥಾನಕ್ಕೆ ಸೀಮಿತವಾಗಿರದಂತೆ ರೂಪಿಸಲಾಗಿದೆ .

* ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್‌ನ ವ್ಯಾಕರಣ ಸರಳವಾಗಿ ಸಂದೇಹ ರಹಿತವಾಗಿದೆ. ಇದನ್ನು ತರ್ಕದ ಆಧಾರದ ಮೇಲೆ ರೂಪಿಸಲಾಗಿದೆ.
* ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್‌ನ ಉಚ್ಛಾರಣೆ ಸುಲಭವಾಗಿದ್ದು ಶಬ್ದಗಳ ಸ್ವರಗಳ ಮೇಲೆ ಆಧಾರವಾಗಿದೆ. ಹಾಗಾಗಿ ಶಬ್ದಗಳ ಉಚ್ಛಾರಣೆ ಸರಾಗವಾಗಿ ಯಾವುದೇ ಸಂದೇಹಕ್ಕೆ ಎಡೆಮಾಡಿಕೊಡದಂತಿದೆ.

* ಬೇರೆ ಭಾಷೆಗಳಿಗೆ ಹೋಲಿಸಿದರೆ, ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್ ತುಂಬಾ ಸರಳ, ಇದನ್ನು ಸುಲಭವಾಗಿ ಕಲಿಯಬಹುದು.
* ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್‌ನ ೧೩೦೦ ಮೂಲ ಪದಗಳನ್ನು ಒಂದಕ್ಕೊಂದು ಸೇರಿಸಿಕೊಂಡು ಲಕ್ಷಾಂತರ ಪದಗಳ ಭಂಡಾರವನ್ನೇ ಸೃಷ್ಟಿಸಬಹುದು.

* ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್ ಭಾಷೆ ಸುಲಭವಾಗಿದೆ. ಈ ಭಾಷೆಯ ವ್ಯಾಕರಣದ ನಿಯಮಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಯಾವುದೇ ರೀತಿಯ ಅಪವಾದಗಳು ಅಡಗಿಲ್ಲ.
* ಸೃಜನಾತ್ಮಕ, ನೇರವಾದ ಸಂಭಾಷಣೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಇರುವ ತೊಡಕುಗಳನ್ನು ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್ ಭಾಷೆ ನಿವಾರಿಸುತ್ತದೆ.

* ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್ ಭಾಷೆ ಅನೇಕ ಉಪಯೋಗಗಳನ್ನು ಒಳಗೊಂಡಿದೆ. ವೈಜ್ಞಾನಿಕತೆಯಿಂದ ಸೃಜನಶೀಲತೆವರೆಗೆ, ಸೈದ್ಧಾಂತಿಕತೆಯಿಂದ ಪ್ರಾಯೋಗಿಕತೆಯವರೆಗೆ ಎಲ್ಲಾ ವಿಧದ ಸಂವಾದದಲ್ಲಿ ಇದನ್ನು ಬಳಸಬಹುದಾಗಿದೆ.

ಆಸಕ್ತಿ ಇದೆಯೇ? ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್ ಭಾಷೆಯ ತುಣುಕನ್ನು ನೋಡಿರಿ ಮತ್ತು ಕೇಳಿರಿ. ಈ ಪುಟವನ್ನು ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್ ಭಾಷೆಗೆ ಭಾಷಾಂತರಿಸುವುದನ್ನು ನೋಡಬಹುದು.

ಲೊಜ್ಬಾನ್ ಭಾಷೆಯನ್ನು ಈಗಲೇ ಕಲಿಯಿರಿ ಅಥವಾ ಈ ಭಾಷೆಯ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಹೆಚ್ಚಿನ ಮಾಹಿತಿ ನೀಡುವ ಕಿರು ಹೊತ್ತಿಗೆಯನ್ನು ಓದಿ.

ತಾರ್ಕಿಕ ಭಾಷಾ ತಂಡ

=== ಸುದ್ದಿ ===

*{ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>6January2011)}6 January 2011 {ALINK}All four Lojban Wave lessons have been translated into Polish and are available on [https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=12wcGRHA08yMlJoGPjFw1z4kQq-HNi0_dpGIJ2cu3VFM GoogleDocs]. {ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>6January2011)} More... {ALINK}

*{ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>18December2010)}18 December 2010 {ALINK} Are you a newbie and ready for your first read? Are you more experienced and would like to take on the challenge of introducing your children to a story in Lojban? Either way, you'll want to take a look at a new translation by [mailto:rdentato@gmail.com emo Dentato] of [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=784 If I had a Pet Dinosaur] by Gil Robles. {ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>18December2010)} More... {ALINK}

*{ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>25November2010)}25 November 2010 {ALINK} Today, [mailto:janek37@gmail.com an Szejko] (ianek) gave a short presentation on Lojban to students at the renowned Faculty of Mathematics, Informatics and Mechanics of the University of Warsaw in Poland. {ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>25November2010)} More... {ALINK}

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लोज्बान एक बोलति भाषा है। इसका विकास मानव सम्वाद मे चुपे हुए अस्पष्टता को निवारण करने के लिए जागरूकता से किया गया है। अमेरिकि वैज्ञानिक पत्रिका तथा अन्य कुछ वैज्ञानिक पुस्तकों में इसका जिक्र किया गया है। इससें इस भाषा प्रसिद्ध हुआ है। पाँच दशक से ज्यादा अनॆक विशेषज्ञों एवं हजारों समर्तकॊं कि परिश्रम से इस भाषा का विकास हुआ है।

लोज्बान में अनॆक लक्षण है जो इसे विशिष्ट बनाता है:

* लोज्बान को मानव सम्वाद मे इस्तेमाल किया जा सकता है। आगे चलकर कम्पूटर मे भी इसका प्रयॊग संभव है।
* लोज्बान को कोई प्रादॆशिक एवं भौगॊलिक सीमा बांद नहीं सकति. उसको इस प्रकार से रूपांकित किया गया है।

* इस भाषा का व्याकरण स्पष्ट और सरल है जो तर्क पर निर्भर है।
* लोज्बान में शब्दॊं कि बोलि उनकें स्वरों पर आधारित है। इससें श्ब्दॊं का उ‘रण में कोई तकलीफ़ नही है।

* अन्य भाषाऒं कि तुलना में लोज्बान सरल है और इसें सीखना आसान है।
* लोज्बान के १३०० मूल शब्दॊं को एक दूसरे से मिलाकर लाखॊं शब्दॊं को बना सकते है।

* लोज्बान सीधा है और इसकी व्याकरण में कोई विभिन्नता नहिं है।
* लोज्बान को सृजनात्मक एवं सीधी सम्वाद के लिए बनाया गया है और यह भाषा इनके बीच में आनेवालि सारि कटिनायियॊं को दूर करता है।

* लोज्बान के अनॆक उपयॊग है। वैज्ञनिकता से लेखर सृजनशीलता तक और सैद्धांतिक से लेकर प्रायोगिकता तक इस भाषा का उपयोग किया जा सकता है।

आप दिलचस्पी रखते है? इस लोज्बान भाषा का एक मिसाल देखयॆ और सुनियॆ. आप इस पन्ने को लोज्बान में लिखा हुआ देख सकते है।

लोज्बान को अभि सीखिये या उसकें बारें में और जानकारी के लिए दिया गया विवरण पुस्तिका को पढियें।

तार्किक भाषा दल

यह अन्तरजालिक पन्ना तार्किक भाषा दल के जानकारी कों रखने वाला अधिकृत भंडार है। यह दल एक लाभ-निरपॆक्ष संस्था है। सन १९८७ से यह दल इस भाषा का विकास में जुटा हुआ है।

=== समाचार ===

*{ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>6January2011)}6 January 2011 {ALINK}All four Lojban Wave lessons have been translated into Polish and are available on [https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=12wcGRHA08yMlJoGPjFw1z4kQq-HNi0_dpGIJ2cu3VFM GoogleDocs]. {ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>6January2011)} More... {ALINK}

*{ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>18December2010)}18 December 2010 {ALINK} Are you a newbie and ready for your first read? Are you more experienced and would like to take on the challenge of introducing your children to a story in Lojban? Either way, you'll want to take a look at a new translation by [mailto:rdentato@gmail.com emo Dentato] of [http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=784 If I had a Pet Dinosaur] by Gil Robles. {ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>18December2010)} More... {ALINK}

*{ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>25November2010)}25 November 2010 {ALINK} Today, [mailto:janek37@gmail.com an Szejko] (ianek) gave a short presentation on Lojban to students at the renowned Faculty of Mathematics, Informatics and Mechanics of the University of Warsaw in Poland. {ALINK(pagename=>What's New?,aname=>25November2010)} More... {ALINK}

[[What's New? ore news, more details...]]

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Why is this on the lojban wiki?

-Robin, The Management

''Because a Lojban translation is included - IMHO demonstrating the particularity of Lojban, which I thought would be quite obvious to anybody here, sorry :(''

''The headline is misleading. Maybe, I should express my thoughts a bit: Almost all these various - and pretty different - languages express that silly little sentence about the same way. In almost each language the text's contents is ambiguous: except for Lojban - and (maybe) Irish and Welsh. Does anybody know other languages solving the problem in a way comparable to that of Lojban?''

== Elvish Rosetta Stone ==

{| class="wikitable"
! Language !! Translation
|-
| Sindarin || '''I edhel vrand bâd i lam in ngiliath'''
|-
| Quenya || '''i arelda quetá i lambe elenion'''
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| Old Sindarin || '''i edelo artha pet i lambe elenio'''
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| Telerin || '''i ella aráta pet i lambe elnio'''
|-
| Númenórian || '''Nimirun ubith Nimriyá énGimil'''
|-
| Japanese || '''kedakai erufu wa hoshi no kokugo o hanasu.'''
|-
| Hebrew || '''Ha-Elf ha'atzil medabér eth l'shon/s'fat hakochavim'''
|-
| Romanian || '''Elful nobil vorbeste limba stelelor.'''
|-
| Italian || '''L'elfo nobile parla la lingua delle stelle.'''
|-
| French || '''L'elf noble parle la langue des étoiles.'''
|-
| Yiddish || '''Der adldiker elb redt di loshn fun di shtern.'''
|-
| Lojban || '''lo'e la .elv. nobli cu tarbau se bangu'''<br>'''lo'e nobli cridrxelfa cu se bangu le tarbau''' (see below)<br>'''tarci bangu lo cridrxelfa nobli'''
|-
| Hungarian || '''A nemes Elf beszéli a csillagok nyelvét.'''
|-
| German || '''Der edle Elb spricht die Sprache der Sterne.'''
|-
| Mandarin/Putonghua || '''gui4zu2 jing1ling2 shuo1 xing1xing de yu3.'''
|-
| Gaeilge || '''Tá teanga na réaltarnaí ag an síogaí uasal'''
|-
| Cymraeg || '''Mae iaith y sêr gyda/ganddo 'r ellyl bonheddig.'''
|-
| Kiswahili || '''Kijini kisharifu kisema msemo ya manyota.'''
|-
| Spanish || '''El noble elfo habla la lengua de las estrellas.'''
|-
| Merentrál || '''Atarénalot elom sedanet laivenin sededirt.'''
|-
| Russian || '''Blagorodnij elf govorit na jazyke zvjozd.'''
|-
| Ukrainian || '''Blagorodnij elf rozmovliae movoju zirok'''
|-
| Polish || '''Elf szlachetny mówi językiem gwiazd.'''
|-
| Talinor || '''Talinor cerd leir talinor elondél.'''
|}

''to be continued...'' (corrections welcome!)

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(''la elv'' is someone named Elf, not 'an elf'.) - ''Yes, but its'' lo'e la .elv. nobli '';-) Can we talk about real existing elves?''

*''lo'e la elv nobli'' is "Elf's noble ones", "the noble ones of Elf"
*IMHO it's something along the lines of ''lo'e la mertsedes. karce'' which is nothing else than "the typical car named Mercedes" and lit. can mean any car called by this name and not necessarily the "one" - yet, with the _lo'e_ added, there doesn't remain any doubt what is pointed to.

**''lo'e la mertsedes karce'' is by definition equivalent to ''lo'e karce pe la mertsedes''. "mertsedes" here is not the name of the cars but the name of the thing/person that the cars are associated with, in this case it could be the company that makes the cars. --mi'e [[User:xorxes|xorxes]]
**You're right: the cars are actually related to somebody called Mercedes, namely the daughter of Mr. Benz :), so the car's full name is Mercedes Benz. So ''la .elv. nobli'' is a noble/are nobles related to somebody/something called Elf. (What I wanted to point out: discussions like these "only make sense" with Lojban renderings and hardly with any of the other language examples.) What with dropping the _la_ -> lo'e .elv. nobli cu tarbau se bangu?

***The other languages don't use "Elf" as a proper name either, they all use it as a common name. ''lo'e elv nobli'' is not grammatical, because cmene can't be mixed with brivla to form tanru. We need a predicate for "x1 is an elf", which could be ''cridrxelfa'' or even plain ''elfa''.
****Oh yes, of course! Also, _cridrxelfa_ is exactly the correct fu'ivla - and in my ears sounding horrible :( My idea of the above phrase is: the typical noble related to smth/smb (i.e. the people invented by JRRT) tagged with the name of "elves". Although from Lojban's logical point of view not necessary, I also want to handle the fictionality of these creatures by using a construction with cmene instead of fu'ivla; the gismu _crida_, on the other side, seems to unspecific (cf. the difference elfes/elves!). There are many, many ways to express the idea in Lojban, so anybody is invited to give it a try :) BTW, most of the other languages are using simple borrowings - which, due to the specific creation, is totally correct (cf. German "Elb(en)" in contrast to the German word _Elf(en)_). The Chinese term "jing1ling2" doesn't really designate Tolkien's creatures rather than something covered by lb _crida_.

Помощь

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Вот несколько подсказок по навигации по сайту.

* Если Вам нужна базовая информация о Ложбане, Вы можете прочитать или скачать книгу [[What Is Lojban?, The Book]], также известную как Книга уровня 0, под редакцией Ника Николаса и Вольдемара Кауэна. Эта книга - превосходное введение в Ложбан.
* Если Вы ищете более короткое введение в Ложбан, откройте страницу [[Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban Часто задаваемые вопросы о Ложбане]] или [[About Lojban О Ложбане]].

* Если Вам нужна информация о Группе логического языка (LLG), откройте страницу [[The Logical Language Group LG|The Logical Language Group LG]].
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* Если Вас интересуют определения слов Ложбана, перейдите на [http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/ jbovlaste], словарный проект Ложбана.

* Внешний вид сайта можно изменить, нажав на "Мой Tiki" (в маленьком меню) и щелкнув на иконку с гаечным ключом и отверткой.

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На этой странице приведены различные списки слов Ложбана. На сегодняшний день все они на английском языке, что печально. В ближайшее время сюда будут выложены списки слов на русском языке (gismu и cmavo).

=== Списки слов на английском языке: ===

* The current authoritative lists of [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/cmavo.txt cmavo], [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt gismu], and [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/rafsi.txt rafsi].
* The same gismu list sorted into [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu_english_order.txt English keyword order].

* The cmavo list sorted in [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/cmavo_selmaho_order.txt selma'o order].
* Four versions of the current lujvo list: [http://www.lojban.org/publications/draft-dictionary/NORALUJV.txt current], [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/lujvo.txt ld], [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/lujvo_old.txt older], and [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/lujvo_ancient.txt ancient].

* The list of [[Untranslated Words ords, requiring translation|Untranslated Words ords, requiring translation]]
* A translation of the gismu list into [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu_spanish.txt Spanish].

* [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/frequencies.txt Frequencies] of words in Lojban text. (large file: >1 megabyte)
* A file of [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/oblique_keywords.txt keywords for oblique places] of gismu (all other than x1).

* A mapping between [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/oldlog.txt old Loglan prims] and Lojban gismu.
* [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/roget.txt Roget's Thesaurus] codes for Lojban gismu (roget).

* The [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/public_domain.txt public domain declaration] for these materials.

See also the [[Old Draft Dictionary|Old Draft Dictionary]] for additional current wordlists.

Lojban für Anfänger

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Die folgenden drei Ressourcen um Lojban zu lernen sind nach steigendem Schwierigkeitsgrad angeordnet:

# [[What Is Lojban?, The Book hat Is Lojban?]], eine Einführung die grundlegende Informationen über die Sprache Lojban vermittelt.

# Robin Turners and Nick Nicholas' Sprachkurs [http://ptolemy.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html Lojban For Beginners]. Das Kurs ist [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ nter Creative Commons Namensnennung 2.5 herausgegeben].

# Das [http://www.lojban.org/jbovlaste/ bovlaste Onlinewörterbuch] bietet eine Möglichkeit Lojban Wortdefinitionen zu durchsuchen und einzutragen.

Unter [http://www.lojban.org/jboski/] gibt es einen Lojban-Englisch-Übersetzer

Du könntest auch [[Parallel 2]] ausprobieren, ein Programm um Lojban [[implicit learning eiläufig zu lernen]]. Die Sprachmodule für Parallel2 lehnen sich an [[What Is Lojban?, The Book hat Is Lojban?]] an.

Fragen kannst du in der Anfänger-Mailingliste stellen: [http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ ier findest du sie].

[http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=89 ie ersten 19 Seiten der Niveau-0-Broschüre findest du hier.]

Gyakran Ismételt Kérdések

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^Translation of this page is incomplete.^

== Lojban GYIK ==

A [[FAQ-like Resources|FAQ-like Resources]] oldalon szintén hasznos információkat találhatsz.

=== Tartalomjegyzék ===

# {ALINK(aname=>general)}Általános kérdések{ALINK}

# {ALINK(aname=>resources)}Anyagok{ALINK}

# {ALINK(aname=>technical)}Technikai kérdések{ALINK}

# {ALINK(aname=>status)}Projekt állapota{ALINK}

# {ALINK(aname=>historical)}Történelmi kérdések{ALINK}

# {ALINK(aname=>pronunciation)}Kiejtés{ALINK}

=== {ANAME()}general{ANAME}Általános kérdések ===

G1. {ALINK(aname=>G1)}Segítség! Nem beszélek angolul!{ALINK}

G2. {ALINK(aname=>G2)}Mi az a ''lojban''?{ALINK}

G3. {ALINK(aname=>G3)}Kik vesznek részt a Lojban projektben?{ALINK}

G4. {ALINK(aname=>G4)}Hányan vannak a Lojban közösségben? Hányan használhatják a Lojbant?{ALINK}

G5. {ALINK(aname=>G5)}Mi az a LogFest / jbonunsla ?{ALINK}

G6. {ALINK(aname=>G6)}Mi a különbség a Reference Grammar és a Complete Lojban Language könyvek között?{ALINK}

G7. {ALINK(aname=>G7)}Van egy komplettebb bevezető a Lojbanba mint ez a GYIK?{ALINK}

=== {ANAME()}resources{ANAME}Anyagok ===

R1. {ALINK(aname=>R1)}Mi a legjobb módja elkezdeni tanulni a Lojbant?{ALINK}

R2. {ALINK(aname=>R2)}How can I look up ''gismu'', ''lujvo'', and ''cmavo'' when I am translating from lojban?{ALINK}

R3. {ALINK(aname=>R3)}Sources of text to read?{ALINK}

R4. {ALINK(aname=>R4)}What messages are appropriate for the Lojban List?{ALINK}

R5. {ALINK(aname=>R5)}Are there archives? WWW site? ftp site?{ALINK}

R6. {ALINK(aname=>R6)}What is available in languages other than English?{ALINK}

R7. {ALINK(aname=>R7)}What software is available?{ALINK}

=== {ANAME()}technical{ANAME}TECHNICAL ===

T1. {ALINK(aname=>T1)}(Glossary) In English descriptions of ''lojban'', I see ''lojban'' words used, as well as ''lojban'' jargon. What do these words mean?{ALINK}

T2. {ALINK(aname=>T2)}How do you borrow words from other languages?{ALINK}

T3. {ALINK(aname=>T3)}Isn't it confusing that some ''rafsi'' are identical to ''cmavo''?{ALINK}

T4. {ALINK(aname=>T4)} Why do some texts use "h" instead of ''''' (single quote), or have parentheses, or other non-standard conventions?{ALINK}

T5. {ALINK(aname=>T5)}Why does it have a special meaning when the ''selbri'' comes first in a sentence?{ALINK}

T6. {ALINK(aname=>T6)}Why are there so many words for AND? Why not just let ''.e'' connect two ''sumti'', ''bridi'', ''bridi ''-tails, or anything else?{ALINK}

T7. {ALINK(aname=>T7)}Is the 's' at the end of lojbanized names (such as 'noras.') silent?{ALINK}

=== {ANAME()}status{ANAME}PROJECT STATUS ===

PS1. {ALINK(aname=>PS1)}What parts of the language are well worked out, and which parts are in flux?{ALINK}

PS2. {ALINK(aname=>PS2)}What are the most current revisions of each part of the language descriptions?{ALINK}

PS3. {ALINK(aname=>PS3)}What projects are being worked on? When will they be done?{ALINK}

PS4. {ALINK(aname=>PS4)}What can I do to help?{ALINK}

=== {ANAME()}historical{ANAME}HISTORICAL ===

H1. {ALINK(aname=>H1)}How was the default place structure order of ''sumti'' in a ''selbri'' determined? (There does not appear to be any rhyme or reason for the order of ''sumti'' in many ''gismu''.){ALINK}

H2. {ALINK(aname=>H2)}How did the ''gismu'' get made: discussion, etymology examples{ALINK}

H3. {ALINK(aname=>H3)}What is the difference between Loglan and Lojban? How is Loglan-82 related?{ALINK}

H4. {ALINK(aname=>H4)}Why do older Lojban texts (before 1993) not make much sense sometimes?{ALINK}

=== {ANAME()}pronunciation{ANAME}PRONUNCIATION ===

B1. {ALINK(aname=>B1)}I'm not quite sure I understand the written descriptions of how the vowels sound.{ALINK}

=== GENERAL ===

{ANAME()}G1{ANAME}G1.''' Segítség! Nem beszélek angolul!'''

;No hablo muy bien inglés...:Puedes contactarte con [mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com orge Llambías]

;Je ne comprends pas très bien l'anglais...:Tu peux contacter [mailto:gregory.dyke@epfl.ch reg Dyke]

;Ich verstehe Englisch nicht sehr gut....:Du kannst eine Mail an [mailto:gregory.dyke@epfl.ch reg Dyke] senden

;mi na se bangu le glibau:.oiru'e do na nitcu le nu tcidu dei kei ki'u le za'i .ui do pujeca se bangu le jbobau

Szintén, [[Lojban Materials in other languages nem angol nyelvű anyagok]] is segítséget nyújthatnak.

{ANAME()}G2{ANAME}G2.''' Mi az a ''lojban''?'''

Lojban is a carefully constructed ''spoken'', as well as

written, language designed in the hope of removing a large portion of

the ambiguity from human communication. It was made well-known by a

Scientific American article and references in both science

fiction and computer publications. Lojban has been built over five

decades by dozens of workers and hundreds of supporters.

{ANAME()}G3{ANAME}G3.'''Who is involved in the Lojban project? '''

Key people are listed on the [[Lojbanic Community Links ommunity|Lojbanic Community Links ommunity]] page.

{ANAME()}G4{ANAME}G4.'''How many people are there in the Lojban community? How many can use Lojban?'''

As of March 2010, close to two thousand people from around the world have developed an interest in Lojban to the point of ordering a [[ooks ook|ooks ook]] or joined a {ALINK(aname=>lists,pagename=>Lojbanic Forums)}Lojban

List{ALINK} . At any given time, there are at least 50 to 100 active participants (people who will respond if you ask a question on one of the email lists or in [[ojban IRC RC chat room|ojban IRC RC chat room]], for example). A number of them can hold a real-time conversation in the language.

{ANAME()}G5{ANAME}G5.'''What is [[LogFest|LogFest]] / [[jbonunsla|jbonunsla]] ?'''

LogFest is the annual gathering of the [[he Logical Language Group|Logical Language Group]]. We are required by an [[ylaws of The Logical Language Group, Inc. LG bylaw|ylaws of The Logical Language Group, Inc. LG bylaw]] to have

an annual meeting. Every year we have a Lojban Convention for any and all in

the [[Lojbanic Community Links ommunity|Lojbanic Community Links ommunity]] who are willing

to come. [[LogFest|LogFest]] was traditionally held at ''lojbab's'' house in Fairfax VA, a suburb of

Washington DC, usually over a weekend in July or August. We have typically had

around 20 people come for part or all of the weekend. Some of these people are

among the more committed Lojbanists, and around half the attendees typically

are at beginner skill levels. Usually several people travel a substantial

distance in order to attend, and those people are often treated as a guests of

honor and are given first consideration for choosing the activities on which we

focus.

Other than giving those who had to

travel furthest preference in picking topics, [[LogFest|LogFest]] is largely

unstructured, in part because we don't know who or how many are coming

until a couple of days before things start. [[LogFest|LogFest]] is what the

[[Lojbanic Community Links ommunity|Lojbanic Community Links ommunity]] chooses to make it. Because the official LLG meeting occurs during [[Logfest|Logfest]],

some of the major decisions affecting the [[Lojbanic Community Links ojban community|Lojbanic Community Links ojban community]] tend

to get made there.

In 2005 and 2006, the annual gatherings started being held at science fiction conventions.

The name "[[LogFest|LogFest]]" is a holdover from Loglan. The word for it in Lojban is "[[jbonunsla|jbonunsla]]".

{ANAME()}G6{ANAME}G6.'''What is the difference between the Reference Grammar and the Complete Lojban Language?'''

The [[The Lojban Reference Grammar|Reference Grammar]] is online; [[The Complete Lojban Language|The Complete Lojban Language]] is the hard-copy book version. The terms are sometimes used interchangeably.

{ANAME()}G7{ANAME}G7.'''Is there a more complete introduction to Lojban than this FAQ?'''

Yes! You can read or download [[What Is Lojban?, The Book hat Is Lojban?]], also known as the Level Zero book, edited by

Nick Nicholas and John Woldemar Cowan. This book makes an

''excellent'' introduction to lojban.

=== RESOURCES ===

{ANAME()}R1{ANAME}R1.'''What is the best way to start learning Lojban?'''

We recommend the following:

# You can read or download [[What Is Lojban?, The Book hat Is Lojban?]], also known as the Level Zero book, edited by Nick Nicholas and John Woldemar Cowan. This book makes an ''excellent'' introduction to lojban.

# Work through [http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html Lojban For Beginners].

# Read through the [[The Lojban Reference Grammar|Reference Grammar]] -- reading for concepts, not detail.

# Create a cheat sheet with lists of {ALINK(aname=>cmavo)}''cmavo''{ALINK} you're likely to need.

# Read and write [[Texts In Lojban ojban texts|Texts In Lojban ojban texts]] using the [[The Lojban Reference Grammar|Reference Grammar]] and your cheat sheets for reference. Post your translated text to the {ALINK(aname=>lists,pagename=>Lojbanic Forums)}Lojban List{ALINK} for feedback.

# If you get serious about it, use [http://www.lojban.org/files/software/logflash.zip ogflash] or [http://quizlet.com/ Quizlet] (register and join the Lojban Group) to help you memorize vocabulary.

If some concepts in any of the above resources seem unclear, post

your questions to the {ALINK(aname=>lists,pagename=>Lojbanic Forums)}Lojban List{ALINK}.

{ANAME()}R2{ANAME}R2.'''How can I look up ''{ALINK(aname=>cmavo)}cmavo{ALINK}'' when I am translating from Lojban?'''

Use one of these: - print yourself out the [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt omplete ''gismu'' list], the [http://www.lojban.org/files/draft-dictionary/NORALUJV.txt current ''lujvo'' list], and the [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/cmavo.txt complete

''cmavo'' list] as well as the [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/rafsi.txt complete ''rafsi'' list] - refer to the online [http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/ dictionary].

{ANAME()}R3{ANAME}R3.'''Sources of text to read?'''

There are many. You can find a complete list [[exts in Lojban here|exts in Lojban here]]. Take your pick from original or translated, short or long, prose or poetry, currently-being-worked-on or completed-and-reviewed.

The {ALINK(aname=>lists,pagename=>Lojbanic Forums)}Lojban List{ALINK} will have discussion in Lojban from time to time. There is also

now a Lojban-only list called {ALINK(aname=>jbosnu,pagename=>Lojbanic Forums)}''jbosnu''{ALINK} ("Lojbanic Discussers").

{ALINK(aname=>JL)}''ju'i lobypli''{ALINK} (Attention! Lojbanic Users) usually have several examples

of commented text, though early issues may have some obsolete words or

usages.

Other Lojbanists publish Web pages, some with Lojban texts and some

entirely in Lojban. [[ojbanic Community Links here|ojbanic Community Links here]] are

some interesting sites.

Stuff on paper can be ordered from the {ALINK(aname=>LLG)}Logical Language Group{ALINK}; however it is much better if you can

retrieve stuff directly off the net.

{ANAME()}R4{ANAME}R4.'''What messages are appropriate for the Lojban List?'''

Beginners are encouraged to post. Anything is appropriate as long as

the title approximately reflects the content and you're not selling

magazine subscriptions or mail-order brides (exception: even THAT is OK

if the post is written in Lojban!). You can post on any subject in

Lojban, or about Lojban in any language. You can post in any language

you think people will understand.

{ANAME()}R5{ANAME}R5.'''Are there archives? WWW site? ftp site?'''

There are archives of some of the more recent e-mail list messages on this website, while others

are stored at Yahoo. See [http://www.lojban.org/resources/forums.html#lists the mailing

lists page].

{ANAME()}R6{ANAME}R6.'''What is available in languages other than English?'''

There are brochures in Spanish ({file name="Brochure_Spanish1.doc" showdesc=1}), French

({file name="Brochure_French1.doc" showdesc=1}),

[http://www.lojban.org/resources/../publications/brochures/brochure_esperanto.html speranto],

and [http://www.lojban.org/resources/../publications/brochures/brochure_russian.html ussian].

Jorge and Jose have translated the ''{ALINK(aname=>gismu)}gismu{ALINK}'' list into Spanish ({file name="Lista_de_gismu_con_definiciones_en_es.doc" showdesc=1}).

{ANAME()}R7{ANAME}R7.'''What software is available?'''

Up-to-date information is available at [http://www.lojban.org/resources/tools.html the lojban software

tools page] on the main site. Below are direct links to some of the

software directly associated with the LLG.

[http://www.lojban.org/resources/../files/software/logflash.zip ogflash 1] - teaches ''{ALINK(aname=>gismu)}gismu{ALINK}''; [http://www.lojban.org/resources/../files/software/lfsrc.ZIP Turbo-Pascal

source code] (not well-documented) is available

[http://www.lojban.org/resources/../files/software/logfl3.zip ogflash 3] - teaches ''{ALINK(aname=>cmavo)}cmavo{ALINK}''

[http://www.lojban.org/resources/../files/software/parser/PARSER3.ZIP ojban Parser] - the definitive standard of Lojban grammar; verifies the

Lojban grammar in a text

[http://www.lojban.org/resources/../files/software/gloss3-2.ZIP ojban Parser/Glosser] (includes the parser, roughly glosses text to

English)

[http://www.lojban.org/resources/../files/software/lujvomak.zip ujvo-maker program]

[http://www.lojban.org/resources/../files/software/analyser Prolog Semantic Analyzer]

[http://www.lojban.org/resources/../files/software/rndsen28.zip Random Sentence Generator] - updated version in progress, the available

version has somewhat obsolete grammar definitions

=== TECHNICAL ===

{ANAME()}T1{ANAME}T1.'''(Glossary) In English descriptions of ''lojban'', I see ''lojban'' words used, as well as ''lojban'' jargon. What do these mean?'''

Here are APPROXIMATE definitions.

Note: Words in ALL CAPS on the {ALINK(aname=>lists,pagename=>Lojbanic Forums)}Lojban List{ALINK} often refer to Lojban parts of speech. the English-language

phonetic translation of ''''' (single quote) is "h",

so when this convention is used, "h" is used as the "capitalization" of

'''''. So in English-language discussion, the

lojban part of speech contaning the word ''la'e'' (the referent of a sumti) would be "LAhE".

;'''{ANAME()}attitudinal{ANAME}attitudinal''':A Lojban interjection (corresponding to "Wow!" or "Eek!" in English, only lojban has many more)

;'''{ANAME()}audiovisualisomorphism{ANAME}audiovisual isomorphism''':Used to describe the fact that spoken and written Lojban have the same form

;'''''{ANAME()}bridi{ANAME}bridi''''':Lojban sentence~--~a predicate

;'''''{ANAME()}brivla{ANAME}brivla''''':Any word that can state a relationship among several objects or concepts, and thus be the core word in a Lojban ''{ALINK(aname=>bridi)}bridi{ALINK}'' - a predicate word

;'''''{ANAME()}cmavo{ANAME}cmavo''''':A little word showing structure rather than carrying meaning. The [http://www.lojban.org/resources/../publications/wordlists/cmavo.txt current cmavo list] is available, but it isn't very easy to read!

;'''''{ANAME()}cmene{ANAME}cmene''''':Lojban names

;'''{ANAME()}evidential{ANAME}evidential''':Special word indicating how the speaker got their information

;'''''{ANAME()}fu'ivla{ANAME}fu'ivla''''':Borrowed word

;'''''{ANAME()}gadri{ANAME}gadri''''':Lojban article or determiner~--~signals the start of a ''{ALINK(aname=>sumti)}sumti{ALINK}''

;'''''{ANAME()}gismu{ANAME}gismu''''':Basic 5-letter lojban root word; the basic gismu list is available [http://www.lojban.org/resources/../files/brochures/gismu.html here]

;'''''{ANAME()}JL{ANAME}ju'i lobypli''''' (Attention! Lojbanic Users) (also known as JL):A Lojban newsletter/journal. Publication is currently suspended, but we are hoping to resume publication in future. [http://www.lojban.org/resources/../files/jl ack issues are available online].

;'''''{ANAME()}LK{ANAME}le lojbo karni''''' (The Lojbanic Journal) (also known as LK):A Lojban newsletter intended to keep our lowest level of supporters informed as to what is going on (in hopes of inspiring greater activity). Also currently suspended.

;'''''{ANAME()}le'avla{ANAME}le'avla''''':The old word for ''{ALINK(aname=>fu'ivla)}fu'ivla{ALINK}''

;'''{ANAME()}LLG{ANAME}Logical Language Group (LLG)''': The [[he Logical Language Group|Logical Language Group]] is legally in charge of the development and maintenance of ''lojban''. It also works to promote the use of ''lojban'' throughout the world.

;'''''{ANAME()}lujvo{ANAME}lujvo''''':Compound word

;'''{ANAME()}modal{ANAME}modal''':A word for ''{ALINK(aname=>sumtcita)}sumtcita{ALINK}'' whose exact derivation is lost in the history of the Lojban project

;'''''{ANAME()}pe'i{ANAME}pe'i''''':An attitudinal meaning "In my opinion"

;'''{ANAME()}placestructure{ANAME}place structure''':The specified canonical order of ''{ALINK(aname=>bridi)}bridi{ALINK}'', so that you know who is doing what to whom.

;'''''{ANAME()}rafsi{ANAME}rafsi''''':Building block(s) of ''{ALINK(aname=>lujvo)}lujvo{ALINK}'' compound words

;'''''{ANAME()}selbri{ANAME}selbri''''':The part of a Lojban sentence that expresses the relationship between the various objects (''{ALINK(aname=>sumti)}sumti{ALINK}'')

;'''''{ANAME()}selma'o{ANAME}selma'o''''':Part of speech

;'''''{ANAME()}slinku'i{ANAME}slinku'i''''':A hypothetical borrowed word, which would not be legal because it could be interpreted as parts of other words in some contexts.

;'''''{ANAME()}sumti{ANAME}sumti''''':An object or idea which may be related to others, that relationship being expressed in a Lojban ''{ALINK(aname=>bridi)}bridi{ALINK}''

;'''''{ANAME()}sumtcita{ANAME}sumtcita''''':Lojban prepositions/adverbs

;'''''{ANAME()}tanru{ANAME}tanru''''':A phrase formed of two or more Lojban ''{ALINK(aname=>brivla)}brivla{ALINK}''

;'''{ANAME()}TLI{ANAME}TLI''':[http://www.loglan.org/ The Loglan Institute]

{ANAME()}T2{ANAME}T2.'''How do you borrow words from other languages?'''

There are four ways to borrow words. Only the most common method is

covered here; see the [http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter4.html#s7 Lojban Reference Grammar (Chapter 4, Section 7)] for more detail.

Borrowed words are called ''{ALINK(aname=>fu'ivla)}fu'ivla{ALINK}'', meaning approximately "copied words"

(after all, "borrowing" implies we're going to give them back someday!).

The use of ''{ALINK(aname=>lujvo)}lujvo{ALINK}'' is not always appropriate

for very concrete or specific terms (e. g. "brie," or "cobra"), or for

jargon words specialized to a narrow field (e. g. "quark," "integral,"

or "iambic pentameter"). These words are in effect ''names'' for

concepts, and the names were invented by speakers of another language.

The vast majority of names for plants, animals, foods, and scientific

terminology cannot be easily expressed as ''{ALINK(aname=>tanru)}tanru{ALINK}''. They thus must be "borrowed" (actually,

taken) into Lojban from the original language, forming words called ''{ALINK(aname=>fu'ivla)}fu'ivla{ALINK}''.

The word must be Lojbanized into one of several permitted ''{ALINK(aname=>rafsi)}rafsi{ALINK}'' is then attached to the

beginning of the Lojbanized form, usually using a vocalic consonant as

"glue" to ensure that the resulting word doesn't fall apart. The ''{ALINK(aname=>rafsi)}rafsi{ALINK}'' categorizes or limits the

meaning of the ''{ALINK(aname=>fu'ivla)}fu'ivla{ALINK}'';

otherwise a word having several different jargon meanings in other

languages (such as "integral"), would require a choice made as to which

meaning should be assigned to the ''{ALINK(aname=>fu'ivla)}fu'ivla{ALINK}''.

''{ALINK(aname=>fu'ivla)}fu'ivla{ALINK}'', like other

''{ALINK(aname=>brivla)}brivla{ALINK}'', are not permitted

to have more than one definition.

Summarizing the most common method to make ''{ALINK(aname=>fu'ivla)}fu'ivla{ALINK}'':

# Lojbanize the word to be borrowed by the methods used for ''{ALINK(aname=>cmene)}cmene{ALINK}''.

# Convert all "y"s to some other vowel or to a vocalic consonant.

# Modify the ending to be a vowel, either by dropping a final consonant or by adding an extra vowel.

# Modify the beginning to be a consonant, either by adding an extra consonant or dropping an initial vowel.

# Choose a ''{ALINK(aname=>gismu)}gismu{ALINK}'' (not a ''{ALINK(aname=>rafsi)}rafsi{ALINK}'') that categorizes the ''{ALINK(aname=>fu'ivla)}fu'ivla{ALINK}'' into a "topic area." Replace the final vowel of the ''{ALINK(aname=>gismu)}gismu{ALINK}'' with a vocalic "r".

# Prefix the modified ''{ALINK(aname=>fu'ivla)}fu'ivla{ALINK}''.

Examples:

||'''English'''|'''''lojban'''''

spaghetti|''cidjrspageti'' or ''djarspageti''

maple tree|''tricrmeipli''

maple sugar|''saktrmeipli''

mathematical integral|''cmacrnintegra'' or ''cmacrntegra''

brie|''cirlrbri''

cobra|''sincrkobra''

quark|''saskrkuarka''

iambic|''pemcrniambo''||

A ''{ALINK(aname=>fu'ivla)}fu'ivla{ALINK}'' thus

consists of three parts: the classifier, the glue, and the borrowed part

The quintessential example is ''djarspageti'',

meaning "spaghetti." ''dja'' is the classifier: it

is the short form ''{ALINK(aname=>rafsi)}rafsi{ALINK}'' for

''cidja'', meaning "food." "r" is the glue: it is

necessary to keep the word from falling into two parts. ''spageti'' is the Lojbanized version of "spaghetti."

The classifier is glued on the front for two reasons: it helps identify

strange borrowings, and it prevents borrowings that happen to coincide

with things that are already Lojban words. For example if you borrowed

the word "spageti" directly, it could lead to ambiguity in a phrase like

''ko bevri re spageti palta''

which could mean "Bring two plates of spaghetti" or something like

"Be a carrying-reptile and a plate made of this":

''ko bevri respa ge ti palta''

In a natural language there would be no doubt which of the two was

meant, but Lojban is constructed so that you shouldn't need to

understand the sentence to know where one word ends and the next begins.

{ANAME()}T3{ANAME}T3.'''Isn't it confusing that some ''{ALINK(aname=>rafsi)}rafsi{ALINK}'' are identical to ''{ALINK(aname=>cmavo)}cmavo{ALINK}''?'''

No, it isn't. In theory you can tell completely from the neighboring

syllables whether something is a ''{ALINK(aname=>rafsi)}rafsi{ALINK}''. This is how the computer is able to parse

Lojban without understanding its meaning. For example the ''dei'' in ''bavlamdei'' ("tomorrow") is a ''{ALINK(aname=>rafsi)}rafsi{ALINK}'' for

"day," not the ''{ALINK(aname=>cmavo)}cmavo{ALINK}''''dei'', a special pronoun meaning "this sentence." We

know which is which because Lojban words can't end in a consonant, so

''dei''''must'' be a part of ''bavlamdei''; "bavLAM" can't be a whole word. (No, it

can't be a name, either. Names end with a consonant followed by a pause,

written as a "''.''") In practice you can also use

your knowledge of the meanings of the words to help with this; it is

possible to think up a sentence like

''la bavLAM. dei cusku'',

"Bavlam says this sentence.", but it is not likely in practice if

you don't know anyone named "Bavlam"!

{ANAME()}T4{ANAME}T4.'''Why do some texts use "h" instead of ''''' (single quote), or have parentheses, or other non-standard conventions?'''

Aesthetic reasons. [[And Rosta|And Rosta]] in

particular thinks ''mohi'' looks better in print

than ''mo'i'' (space motion) and sometimes uses it

the hopes that he can influence the [[Lojbanic Community Links ojban community|Lojbanic Community Links ojban community]] to accept this other spelling convention. This is purely a

difference in spelling; they are pronounced the same, and should be

considered different ways of writing the same "letter." This alternate

spelling also is somewhat closer to the spelling of [[he Loglan Institute LI|he Loglan Institute LI]] Loglan. There is another similar spelling

convention, which has never been used, designed to make Lojban look more

familiar to potential converts from [[he Loglan Institute LI|he Loglan Institute LI]]. This

alternate convention may be found in the [http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter3.html#s12 Lojban Reference Grammar].

There are a number of other non-standard spelling conventions:

[[And Rosta|And Rosta]] has (or at least ''had'') a style in which

''''' (single quote) is omitted altogether where

the vowels couldn't possibly be stuck together; for example, he'd write

''coe'' for ''co'e'' (unspecified bridi), since "oe" is not a legal combination. He has used

"." (period) as in English, to end a sentence, rather than as a pause.

He has capitalized the first word of the sentence.

[[Xod|Xod]] often

uses / (a forward slash) or parentheses to mark clauses out when writing

in lojban. He also uses a single capital letter for acronyms instead of

the lojban letterals (i.e. A instead of .abu.).

There have been others. In general, they are all quite understandable

by a competent lojbanic person, with the possible exception of And's

removal of ''''' (single quote).

{ANAME()}T5{ANAME}T5.'''Why does it have a special meaning when the ''{ALINK(aname=>selbri)}selbri{ALINK}'' comes first?'''

In Loglan it used to be a command, but now we use either ''ko''

(imperative) or {ALINK(aname=>attitudinal)}attitudinals{ALINK}. In

a simple bridi, having the selbri at the beginning make it an

observative, which means you ar

stating that you are observing the relationship in question (much like

saying "Fire!" in English, except without necessarily carrying emotional

connotations).

In a ''poi

broda'' (which does/is something-or-other) phrase, it is likely that

you'll want x{SUB()}1{SUB} to be ''ke'a'' and to

explicitly state x{SUB()}2{SUB}. If verb-initial ordering (also called

V-initial) wasn't special, and if syntax within a ''poi'' (restrictive clause) was consistent with

sentence-level syntax, then you'd have to explicitly use ''fe'' (second sumti place) or ''zo'e'' (unspecified it) or ''ke'a'' to get to the x{SUB()}2{SUB}. For example, now

we say

''le nanmu poi prami mi'' (The man which loves

me)

and the x{SUB()}1{SUB} of ''prami'' (love) is

elided, and we can assume it is ''ke'a'', which here

equals ''le nanmu'' (The/a man/men). Without this

special treatment of V-initial, we'd have to say

''le nanmu poi ke'a prami mi'' (The man which

loves me)

or

''le nanmu poi ke'a mi prami.'' (The man which

loves me)

So: it saves 2 syllables in what is arguably the most common way of

using ''poi'' (restrictive clause). May or may not

be worth it, depending on how you value word-order flexibility vs.

brevity. In general it lets you easily get to x{SUB()}2{SUB} in sentences

without an x{SUB()}1{SUB}.

Remember: There's always more than one way to do it in ''lojban''.

{ANAME()}T6{ANAME}T6.'''Why are there so many words for AND? Why not just let "''.e''" (and, between sumti) connect two ''{ALINK(aname=>bridi)}bridi{ALINK}'', ''bridi''-tails (a predicate and a sumti), or anything else?'''

We use different connectives for different scopes. Doing so helps

the listener keep track of what exactly the speaker wants connected.

This is ''much'' more important in speech than in text, because in

text you can re-read and ponder. If you have a multi-part nested ''{ALINK(aname=>sumti)}sumti{ALINK}'' joined to another

multi-part nested ''{ALINK(aname=>sumti)}sumti{ALINK}'',

having clear indicators of scope may make the sentence understandable

when otherwise it is not. It is therefore hoped that spoken Lojban and

written Lojban can be similar in level of complexity. (You know, {ALINK(aname=>audiovisualisomorphism)}audiovisual isomorphism{ALINK}.)

{ANAME()}T7{ANAME}T7.'''Is the 's' at the end of lojbanized names (such as 'noras.') silent?'''

No. 'noras.' is really pronounced with an 's' at the end.

Some languages can borrow names with virtually no changes, but Lojban is one of the languages that sometimes requires quite heavy modification of the names. Specifically, all Lojban words of the class ''{ALINK(aname=>cmene)}cmene{ALINK}'' must always end in a consonant. Sometimes, this requires removing a vowel at the end, or adding a consonant. By convention, this is often 's', but it could be any consonant.

If names were not changed this way, some of them could be mistaken for other words, or sequences of words. In this case, were there no 's' at the end, 'nora' would read as 'no ra', ie. "none of them"! This distinction is as important in speech as in writing, so names, as any other Lojban word, must be pronounced exactly as written. There are no silent letters in Lojban.

=== PROJECT STATUS ===

{ANAME()}PS1{ANAME}PS1.'''What parts of the language are well worked out, and which parts are in flux?'''

As of 1997, the language design has been baselined for a minimum of

5 years after the publication of the three books: the reference grammar,

the dictionary, and the textbook. Since the latter two are not near

publication, this means that no changes to the language will even be

considered until at least 2006. This baseline is non-negotiable, even if

we enter into discussions with The Loglan Institute to reunite the

Loglan community now that [[James Cooke Brown CB|James Cooke Brown CB]] has passed on.

The phonology, orthography, and morphology have been essentially

stable since 1988, except for a slight change in what counts as a legal

''{ALINK(aname=>fu'ivla)}fu'ivla{ALINK}''. The [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt 'gismu'' list] has been stable since 1988, except

that about 25 ''{ALINK(aname=>gismu)}gismu{ALINK}'' have

been added and 2 ''{ALINK(aname=>gismu)}gismu{ALINK}'' had minor changes up

until 1994, but since then only clarifications of confusing wording have

been made to the official [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt aseline ''gismu'' list], and they are now considered

baselined. The ''{ALINK(aname=>rafsi)}rafsi{ALINK}'' have

been unchanged since 1993, when around 20% were changed in a final

tuning before baselining them. Much existing text has not been updated

after the ''{ALINK(aname=>rafsi)}rafsi{ALINK}'' change, so

texts dated before 1993 may be confusing. The grammar has been basically

stable since 1993, was under careful documented control after that date,

and frozen with the publication of [[The Complete Lojban Language|The Complete Lojban Language]] in 1997. The [http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/cmavo.txt 'cmavo'' list] has been baselined since 1997, though

new compounds may be defined through usage. The only area not frozen is

the addition of new words to the lexicon through borrowing (''{ALINK(aname=>lujvo)}lujvo{ALINK}''). Those two productive

areas are open-ended; a primary limitation on the language definition is

the inability to record and define new coinings as fast as they are

invented.

The basic semantics of the language are stable. There are still

ongoing disputes about "how to say it best in Lojban"; we expect these

to continue indefinitely. As a matter of policy, changes even to Lojban

non-baselined usages, if they would require people to re-learn things,

are resisted vigorously. Almost anything that practical people (i.e.

beginners) would actually use is well worked out, debugged and stable.

Points of controversy include highly technical philosophical issues such

as whether empty sets are or are not excluded as the candidate referent

set of a ''{ALINK(aname=>sumti)}sumti{ALINK}'', or whether

current grammar is adequate to represent all possible forms of indirect

questions. The answers are very important to the language definition (no

joke), but people have been speaking natural languages for years without

knowing the answers, so don't worry about Lojban. And you don't have to

know what lambda calculus is. The major point of controversy that is

significant to beginners is a feeling in some quarters that the policies

used to design the place (argument, ''{ALINK(aname=>gismu)}gismu{ALINK}'' (basic predicate words) were not exactly

optimal. Sometimes the semantics of the less-used places are at issue.

Officially, we'll go with what we have to preserve the investment people

have made in learning the language, and after the baseline period is

over, those who are actually speaking the language will be allowed to

discuss changes in Lojban. There are no plans to ever seriously discuss

changes to the language other than in Lojban.

{ANAME()}PS2{ANAME}PS2.'''What are the most current revisions of each part of the language descriptions?'''

The versions found on the [http://www.lojban.org ojban web site] are definitive, except that the printed version of [[The Lojban Reference Grammar|The Lojban Reference Grammar]] ( which is called [[The Complete Lojban Language|The Complete Lojban Language]] ) takes precedence over the HTML version. Working

drafts of books in preparation are maintained on ''lojbab's'' home computers, and may be slightly updated

from the on-line versions.

{ANAME()}PS3{ANAME}PS3.'''What projects are being worked on? When will they be done?'''

[[The Complete Lojban Language|The Complete Lojban Language]] is of course complete and published.

For a current list of ongoing projects, see

the [[Official LLG Projects|Official LLG Projects]] page,

the [[Official LLG Committees|Official LLG Committees]] page, and

[[ongoing projects he wiki ongoing projects page|ongoing projects he wiki ongoing projects page]].

'''''WHEN?'''''

Projects are all being done by volunteers, and therefore will be

done when people finish them. We've promised dates in the past and

invariably been wrong. The priorities are for the dictionary and the

introductory materials book, with the latter more likely to come out

earlier than the former. Publication of books is severely hampered by

finances (anyone with money is welcome to [[sarji fo lo jdini onate|sarji fo lo jdini onate]]!), and the lack of

ability to publish in the short term has tended to hurt motivation and

productivity of those working on those publications.

{ANAME()}PS4{ANAME}PS4.'''What can I do to help?'''

A few possibilities:

* Post beginner questions on the {ALINK(aname=>lists,pagename=>Lojbanic Forums)}Lojban List{ALINK} and don't be intimidated
* Tell about yourself and your interests (in Lojban preferably, but English is OK) on the {ALINK(aname=>lists,pagename=>Lojbanic Forums)}Lojban List{ALINK}

* Write in Lojban on the {ALINK(aname=>lists,pagename=>Lojbanic Forums)}Lojban List{ALINK}
* Write something in Lojban (Try to write something new~--~[[Translations ranslation of literature|Translations ranslation of literature]] is not generally a good or easy beginner exercise).

* Study Lojban vocabulary using LogFlash or flashcards
* Come to {ALINK(aname=>G5)}LogFest{ALINK} in July/August in Fairfax VA (near Washington, DC), USA.

* Try expressing yourself in Lojban
* Invite others to join a live {ALINK(aname=>irc,pagename=>Lojbanic Forums)}IRC chat{ALINK} in or about Lojban

* Keep a diary in Lojban
* Check out the [[Official LLG Projects|Projects]] and the [[Official LLG Committees|Committees]] pages for new and ongoing projects

* Send money to the {ALINK(aname=>LLG)}LLG{ALINK} using PayPal

=== HISTORICAL ===

{ANAME()}H1{ANAME}H1.'''How was the default {ALINK(aname=>selbri)}selbri{ALINK}'' determined? (There does not appear to be any rhyme or reason for the order of ''{ALINK(aname=>gismu)}gismu{ALINK}''.)'''

They went through a lot of revisions; it is something in-between

planning and evolution. There is a considerable amount of system there,

but it is ill-documented.

The nice thing to know is that you don't have to memorize the {ALINK(aname=>placestructure)}place structures{ALINK}. Just using the language,

you will come to have a feel for which places are present and in what

order.

Most people who take the time to become familiar with the language find that

with practice, they begin to develop a sense of what the place structures ought

to be. Conveniently, their sense usually matches up with the

definition.

{ANAME()}H2{ANAME}H2.'''How did the ''{ALINK(aname=>gismu)}gismu{ALINK}'' get made: discussion, etymology examples?'''

There is a

[[gismu Etymology ull set of etymologies|gismu Etymology ull set of etymologies]] on the file server.

There is some explanation available, including [http://www.lojban.org/files/etymology/etysample.txt samples] (broken link),

and a more verbose description in the

[http://lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure/lingissues.html#idx452 Level 0 package] and at the [[Lojban Etymology ojban Etymology Information|Lojban Etymology ojban Etymology Information]] page.

The etymologies in 6 languages and the scoring for each language are given, in

order Chinese/English/Hindi/Spanish/Russian/Arabic~--~a 0 score means that

the language made no contribution to the word, and thus its etymological

keyword did not matter. The languages were weighted. While new ''{ALINK(aname=>gismu)}gismu{ALINK}'' are not being made, ''lojbab'' updates the weighting based on estimated numbers of

first and second language speakers every couple of years. The original and 1999

weights are available [http://www.lojban.org/publications/etymology/langstat99.htm online].

{ANAME()}H3{ANAME}H3.'''What is the difference between Loglan and Lojban? How is Loglan-82 related?'''

James Cooke Brown ( [[James Cooke Brown CB|James Cooke Brown CB]] )

came up with the idea of Loglan in the 1940s and starting inventing the

language around 1955. It has been evolving ever since. In 1982-4 or so

there was a political disagreement and the Loglan community fell apart.

A couple of years later, Bob LeChevalier (''lojbab''), then working with [[James Cooke Brown CB|James Cooke Brown CB]],

attempted to resurrect the community. This led to a falling out based on

[[James Cooke Brown CB|James Cooke Brown CB]]'s proprietary intellectual property claims on the language. The community

split into two efforts, with [[James Cooke Brown CB|James Cooke Brown CB]] at the head of of the Loglan effort,

{ALINK(aname=>TLI)}The Loglan Institute (TLI){ALINK}, and (''lojbab'') at the head of the

Lojban effort, the {ALINK(aname=>LLG)}Logical Language Group (LLG){ALINK}. The

latter is Lojban, which {ALINK(aname=>LLG)}LLG{ALINK} (backed up by a court

decision) considers a subcategory of Loglan. Sadly, [[James Cooke Brown CB|James Cooke Brown CB]] passed away in 2000. It is unclear if the Loglan organization has

leadership capable of sustaining the effort. A more lengthy discussion

of the issues can be found in the article

[[The Loglan-Lojban Dispute|The Loglan-Lojban Dispute]], and in ''{ALINK(aname=>JL)}ju'i lobypli{ALINK}'' (Attention!

Lojbanic Users).

''lojbab'' makes occasional efforts to spark discussion

that would lead to reunification of the efforts behind Lojban, although no

consideration will be given to abandoning the Lojban baseline.

Loglan-82 is a completely unrelated computer language developed in

Poland by people unaware of the existence of the Loglan/Lojban project.

{ANAME()}H4{ANAME}H4.'''Why do older Lojban texts (before 1993) not make much sense sometimes?'''

Lojban has been quite stable since 1992-3, when the last significant

changes were made (since then, most "changes" have been additions to the

language which did not make older text invalid). The last changes to the

''{ALINK(aname=>gismu)}gismu{ALINK}'' list were made in

1992, and in 1993 the ''{ALINK(aname=>rafsi)}rafsi{ALINK}'' in Lojban word-making.

There is a [http://www.lojban.org/files/history/bothraf.txt translation table]

from the older ''{ALINK(aname=>rafsi)}rafsi{ALINK}'' to the final set.

=== PRONUNCIATION ===

{ANAME()}B1{ANAME}B1.'''I'm not quite sure I understand the written descriptions of how the vowels sound.'''

Here is a link to [http://perpetuum-immobile.de/vowels_aleks.ogg vowel sound file in Ogg Vorbis format].

User:Pier.abat

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I've been programming computers, doing mathematics, and learning languages since childhood. My invented languages (none of which is anywhere near finished, but I can say a few sentences) include the language families Borogoni (Filofonecian, Azarian, Melonian, Gratye, Entebamshi, etc.) and Pihaki (Pigaic, Ubnadck, and an assortment of Seligamine dialects), both of which are vaguely similar to Indo-European, and Weniti (Wanian, Fonrati, and others unnamed) which is completely different (it's agglutinative, the head of a phrase is always at the end, and a noun can take multiple case endings). When I found Lojban, it resonated with some ideas I already had about languages.

I was born in New York, grew up in California and Ohio, and have been in North Carolina for a number of years.

I am an unabashed creationist and think that the influence of cladistics on [[taxonomy|taxonomy]] has gone too far. Often I go to the library and study taxonomy, trying to remember which fishes have scales and figure out which birds are clean as well as their orders and families. (Anyone got a good reference for plant taxonomy? ''The Internet'') Although I believe that man is a special creation of God, I believe equally strongly that taxonomically he belongs next to the great apes.

Pierre Abbat has often gone by the name ''phma''.

== BPFK membership ==
This member presides over:

[[BPFK Section: Mathematical Constants]]

[[BPFK Section: Intervals]]
[[Category:BPFK member]]

chungYang

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[http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/chungya.gif]

Here's another try to get a non-Western poem translated into Lojban - this time it's your turn (but '''not''' from an English version! The German translation - as a hint - is as close as possible.)

Volunteers ahead! (Greg?)

Ch'ung-yang (Herbstfest)

Der Mensch wird leicht - und schwer der Himmel alt:

's wird Jahr um Jahr Ch'ung-yang.

Und wieder heut' Ch'ung-yang:

Das Schlachtfeld weit im Duft der Chrysanthemen.

Ein Jahr, ein Abschnitt - und der Herbstwind stark,

Nicht gleicht's dem Frühlingsglanz,

Sieg gleicht dem Frühlingsglanz,

Ein öder Himmel überm Fluss, Frost meilenweit.

(Übers. v. A.W. Tüting)

----

''Do you really have to use the Wade-Giles transliteration?'' Hey, why '''not?!''' (I'd '''really''' be happy if you wouldn't just keep asking "why, why, why" but also give some focus on the reason of your queries. If you are really interested in learning about this stuff, I could give you more elaborated considerations with regard to the pros and cons of at least some dozens of different forms for romanizing Chinese, quite a couple of them being much better than Pinyin - which you seemingly have in mind asking above. I use Pinyin as a shurufa for computer input and was doing my first steps studying Chinese about more than 30 years from now using it. For modern use (i.e. internet, computer input etc.) good old [http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/CHYHBIH.RXML woyeu Romatzyh] would be much better - but that is politics! BTW, don't use the word "transliteration" for it. ''--mi'e .aulun. .i zo'o neldji lenu cilre le du'u le so'iroi selrei cu me makau .i e'o ko litmau''

* I like pinyin because it is the important one to know for watching the news or studying China in history class (at least at my school we spell his name Mao Zedong, thank you very much) - if you do not know the pinyin system then you will not know how to pronounce ''Beijing'', for example. Therefore, it is the only one I have bothered to learn. It has its flaws, but, like base 10, it is standard anyway. I would be happiest if you just put next to whatever you use the IPA, since that is the only system that the majority of lojbanists know. - mi'e. [[.kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]
** I usually give (modern) Mandarin words in Pinyin + Gwoyeu Romatzyh (+ Wade-Giles for ancient names). In translated poetry, I stick to W-G, even in German versions (avoiding the German romanization: e.g. Tschao Yü-dschih). In Hungarian versions - just one for all - I'd use Hungarian romanization: e.g. Si King (Shi1 Jing1/Shy Jing/Shih1 Ching1) - and there is also a famous French system, and many others. Wade-Giles, although much better than Pinyin, from a ''scholarly'' standpoint is not too good, but ''melbi mi'' :) BTW, romanizations like that of ''Peking'' (quoted by you) infact go back to systems used/created by German (v. d. Gabelentz) or Scandinavian (Karlgren) and other scholars doing research on ancient Chinese language and phonology (e.g. that of Middle Chinese), and are ''historical'' notations, i.e. giving hints on ancient pronunciation. Thus - following the conventions pointed out - ''Peking'' is (and ever had!) to be pronounced as py: ''Beijing''. Yet, and you're right with that, one should by all means be familiar with Pinyin these days. ''Ceterum censeo: It would be nice to see your translations in Lojban'' --.aulun.

*** And then there's [http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0109C&L=conlang&P=R11836 his romanization], a slight modification of Pinyin which is also a tonal spelling like GR.
**** Not bad, because easier than GR, but also pretty lenghty - and (as I feel) not as good to visually remember the tone by getting a more characteristic "picture" of each romanized word. But that's the price of memorizing less orthographic rules. GR has been invented long before Py has been brought up, and there were mainly '''political''' reasons for not having been accepted and not the system's complexity. So forget trying to modify Pinyin along the line of good old "Guo2yu3 Luo2ma3zi" :( BTW, your "waihbian" should be "waihbiaan" (waybian), and "hong yaanhjing" "hong yaanhjingh" (horng yaanjinq) unless ''ir baruft zikh af dem krolik mit roze '''oygn''' - then it had to be "yaanhjiing" (yaanjing) ;-)

*** Having /n/ and /N/ as the same phoneme is a problem for transliterating Chinese. However, here is my attempt at [[transliterating Mandarin|transliterating Mandarin]]
**** We had a discussion about transcription of Pinyin to Lojban with pc and Ivan Derzhanski about a year back - maybe you should have a look into it on the list. --.aulun.

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boo to cultural gismu

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See:
* [[cultural gismu|cultural gismu]]
* [[experimental cultural gismu|experimental cultural gismu]]
* [[spero|spero]]

A significant number of Lojbanists, including [[User:xod|la xod]], [[User:xorxes|xorxes]], [[Ivan Derzhanski|ivan]] and [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]] are of the opinion that cultural gismu violate cultural neutrality. The gismu are privileged words because they have rafsi and because they are the core noncmavo vocabulary. To assign gismu and rafsi to some cultures and not to others is to violate cultural neutrality. At least some of the people who are opposed to cultural gismu (e.g. [[User:xod|la xod]] and [[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]) are in favour of retaining '''lojbo'''.
*[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]:
**I (=[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]) would not mind if (a) the gismu class were opened up for the addition of new lexical items (-- see [[experimental gismu|experimental gismu]]) and (b) cultural gismu (again with the exception of ''lojbo'') had their rafsi removed.
*[[User:xorxes|xorxes]]:
**My present position on this is to accept any new gismu-form cultural word, but I'm against creating lists of them just for the sake of making the list. I approve of '''xorvo''', '''norgo''', and '''turko''' because there are prominent Lojbanists related to those nationalities, and of course, '''loglo''' and '''spero''' too, and I wouldn't mind that new ones be introduced as the need arises. (Was '''finlo''' proposed at some point for 'Finnish', or did I dream it up? 'Suomi' doesn't have enough consonants.)
***[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]:
****Can you think of a decent one for English/England? I think I once suggested something like logro < loegr, but it's very unobvious. I used to feel very resentful about there not being one for English, whereas there is one for pretty much everybody else except the Welsh, who'd be camro, of course.
*****[[User:tsali|tsali]]:
******Huh? What does '''glico''' mean to you, if not England/English?
*******[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]:
********It means to me "pertaining to culture of English-language-speaking countries". A similar slight is made wrt spano, with no gismu for Ibero-spanish.
*********[[User:tsali|tsali]]:
**********Have you noticed that all cultural gismu have "in aspect x2" as part of their place structure. Why not use "glico le ka gugde" (England, English-country) and '''glico le ka bangu''' (English, English-language) when you need to differentiate? Or, for that matter, '''gligu'e''' and '''glibau'''?
***********[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]:
************I'm not clear how you would propose to distinguish between England and English-speaking -- anglo -- countries. Nor do I understand the reasoning behind your suggestion, since minimizing the numbers of gismu is hardly a guiding principle of experimental cultural gismu. For example, why have a gismu for Norwegian? Why not some sort of lujvo (West Scandinavian, say)?
*************[[User:tsali|tsali]]:
**************Minimizing the number of gismu seems to be a guiding principle in the making of ''official'' gismu.
***************[[Jay Kominek|Jay]]:
****************...or '''brito'''...
*****************[[User:And Rosta|And Rosta]]:
******************'''brito''' is "British", bloody hell.
*mark.:
**I've similarly wondered about how '''xebro''' can be ''Jewish'' (the religion), ''Hebrew'' (the language) and ''Israeli'' (the state). Without getting into potential flames, suffice to say that the three concepts have disparate enough meanings and spheres of influence that I find it surprising that they should be conflated (and besides, ''*xivro'' would be better, at least closer to the pronunciation)
**Well, that's what happens when you use kulnu gismu! One has to be very stingy with creating new ones, and overlapping meanings get massed.
**[[Adam|Adam]]:
*** '''xebro le ka bangu''', '''xebro le ka se bangu''', '''xebro le ka lijda''', '''xebro le ka se lijda''', '''xebro le ka natmi''', '''xebro le ka se natmi''', '''xebro le ka gugde''', '''xebro le ka se gugde/gugde xabju'''. However, what would you call a secular Jewish Israeli who considers emself Jewish in nationality but not in religion, but is considered Jewish in religion by religious people?
****[[rab.spir|rab.spir]]:
*****'''lo prenu poi ke'a se gugde xebro gi'e pensi ledu'u ke'a natmi jenai lijda xebro kei gi'eku'i te jinvi ledu'u ke'a lijda xebro kei le se lijda ku'o . . . goi ko'a'''.
******That's probably a good answer, but somehow it still feels to me like saying we only need one gismu for "rows," "rose," and "rose": '''rozgu le ka stura,''' '''rozgu le ka volfi,''' and '''rozgu le ka xrula.''' ("pax" to Nick, who points out that '''rozgu''' should [[dies in the arse|die in the arse]] anyway).
*I propose that only those six original source-languages ('''[[krasybau]]''') of Lojban be retained as '''gismu'''. They are privileged in the design of Lojban, but i don't see that any others need to be. --maikl. (i.e. Chinese, English, Hindi, Spanish, Russian and Arabic.)
**Bad idea. All they did was borrow a few letters in making gismu. What this would really be doing is keeping the six languages that happened to be widely spoken at the time of gismu creation. mi'e [[tinkit|tinkit]]
**i've thought it over some more and think this could be an issue of usage deciding. '''merko''' and '''glico''' are used so often, that these could be retained as gismu. '''libjo''' (''libyan'') could be expelled from the gismu list and its rafsi recovered. a cultural fu'ivla could be assigned if anyone bothered.
**They were also priveleged in the making of cmavo - ma, for instance, is also the particle that appears at the end of questions in mandarin, while .ui is a translitteration of English ''whee!'' - mi'e. [[.kreig.daniyl.|.kreig.daniyl.]]
*** The first, at least, is a coincidence, like the semantic equivalence and phonological similarity of Lojban '''xu''' and Esperanto ''cxu''. Lojban '''.oi''' is directly taken from Yiddish ''oy'', but neither Esperanto nor Yiddish is a "favored" language in Lojban.
**** Yet Yiddish ''oy'' is used in English from time to time.
**** So where <u>does</u> ma come from if not the Chinese word?
***** It has been correctly pointed out that ''ma'' means "what" in Hebrew. This, too, may be a coincidence.
***** Tommy Whitlock consciously imported ''ma'' from Mandarin, as he did ''do'' from Deutsch.
*It must be noted that Sapir [http://www.bartleby.com/186/10.html has argued], I believe effectively, that language, nationality and culture are distinct features that might should not be so quickly grouped together. It seems to be that labels such as `English' are either very ephemerally real or are illogical and arbitrary terms altogether (what is there connecting the culture of Great Britain with the language of South Africa?).
** History, of course. It is a fact that Great Britain once conquered South Africa and left its linguistic stamp there.
*** "History there is, and no history" --The High Inquest
**[[cein|cein]]:
***These terms are more symbolic of our tendency towards tribalism than a realistic reflection of the human world.
**** Is that a provable assertion?
*****.aionys.:
******I just want to put in my two cents and say that I am also against cultural gismu, with the exception of '''lojbo''' and possibly the six source-languages, for the simple reason that not having a cultural gismu for our own culture seems, well, stupid, and the six source languages do happen to have a good reason for deserving gismu - and on the plus side, it frees up some gismu space so we can fix other problems, such as having gismu for '''djacu xabju jukni''' so that the highly overgeneralized {'''jukni'''} can be made to again only refer to arachnids, which is general enough already.

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ni'opamai

::vifne cergusni::

::i le tricu cu klaku::

::le clani ctino::

ni'oremai

::selmorji ba'a::

::mi le crisa ca le nu::

::ru'u mi snime::

ni'ocimai

::renro le sicni::

::le rirxe i simtavla::

::roda joi noda::

ni'ovomai

::pa'o le blaci::

::le verba kelci sance::

::na canko pagre::

ni'omumai

::oisai le nicte::

::le selgei ca'o kunti::

::ije do darno::

ni'oxamai

::mi za'o zutse::

::le srasu ki'unai ui::

::le nu ca carvi::

ni'ozemai

::le cilmo canre::

::gau le xamsi cu canci::

::i lunbe jamfu::

mi'e xorxes

di'e li 1994;02

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''mutce melbi .iku'i stidi zo''ctino ''.i mi'e .aulun.'' (to ba'o cikre -- mi'e [[User:xorxes|xorxes]] toi)

morgenfrische

die B䵭e weinen

lange schatten

voll erwartung gedenk ich

vergangenen sommers - rings

um mich schnee

werfe münzen in den

fluss - zwiesprache mit

allem, mit nichts

durch fensterscheiben

von kindergespiel nach

draussen kein laut

ach, die n䣨te, stets

freudlos und leer, und

ferne mir du

sitzenbleiben im

gras und glücklich, wenn

schon der regen fällt

feuchter sand

geglättet vom meer

und ich barfuss

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elvish rosetta stone

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Why is this on the lojban wiki?

-Robin, The Management

''Because a Lojban translation is included - IMHO demonstrating the particularity of Lojban, which I thought would be quite obvious to anybody here, sorry :(''

''The headline is misleading. Maybe, I should express my thoughts a bit: Almost all these various - and pretty different - languages express that silly little sentence about the same way. In almost each language the text's contents is ambiguous: except for Lojban - and (maybe) Irish and Welsh. Does anybody know other languages solving the problem in a way comparable to that of Lojban?''

== Elvish Rosetta Stone ==

(Sindarin)

'''I edhel vrand bâd i lam in ngiliath'''

(Quenya)

'''i arelda quetá i lambe elenion'''

(Old Sindarin)

'''i edelo artha pet i lambe elenio'''

(Telerin)

'''i ella aráta pet i lambe elnio'''

(Númenórian)

'''Nimirun ubith Nimriyá énGimil'''

(Japanese)

'''kedakai erufu wa hoshi no kokugo o hanasu.'''

(Hebrew)

'''Ha-Elf ha'atzil medabér eth l'shon/s'fat hakochavim'''

(plz correct!)

(Romanian)

'''Elful nobil vorbeste limba stelelor.'''

(Italian)

'''L'elfo nobile parla la lingua delle stelle.'''

(French)

'''L'elf noble parle la langue des étoiles.'''

(Yiddish)

'''Der adldiker elb redt di loshn fun di shtern.'''

[http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/temp/elbyid.gif]

(Lojban)

'''lo'e la .elv. nobli cu tarbau se bangu'''

*'''lo'e nobli cridrxelfa cu se bangu le tarbau''' (see below)
*'''tarci bangu lo cridrxelfa nobli'''

(Hungarian)

'''A nemes Elf beszéli a csillagok nyelvét.'''

(German)

'''Der edle Elb spricht die Sprache der Sterne.'''

(Mandarin/Putonghua)

'''gui4zu2 jing1ling2 shuo1 xing1xing de yu3.'''

(Gaeilge)

'''Tá teanga na r�altarna� ag an s�oga� uasal'''

(Cymraeg)

'''Mae iaith y sêr gyda/ganddo 'r ellyl bonheddig.'''

(Kiswahili)

'''Kijini kisharifu kisema msemo ya manyota.'''

(Spanish)

'''El noble elfo habla la lengua de las estrellas.'''

(Merentr�l)

'''Atar�nalot elom sedanet laivenin sededirt.'''

(po-russki)

'''Blagorodnij elf govorit na jazyke zvjozd.'''

(ukrajinskoju movoju)

'''Blagorodnij elf rozmovliae movoju zirok'''

(plz correct)

(po polsku)

'''Elf szlachetny mówi językiem gwiazd.'''

(Talinor)

'''Talinor cerd leir talinor elond�l.'''

''to be continued...'' (corrections welcome!)

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(''la elv'' is someone named Elf, not 'an elf'.) - ''Yes, but its'' lo'e la .elv. nobli '';-) Can we talk about real existing elves?''

*''lo'e la elv nobli'' is "Elf's noble ones", "the noble ones of Elf"
*IMHO it's something along the lines of ''lo'e la mertsedes. karce'' which is nothing else than "the typical car named Mercedes" and lit. can mean any car called by this name and not necessarily the "one" - yet, with the _lo'e_ added, there doesn't remain any doubt what is pointed to.

**''lo'e la mertsedes karce'' is by definition equivalent to ''lo'e karce pe la mertsedes''. "mertsedes" here is not the name of the cars but the name of the thing/person that the cars are associated with, in this case it could be the company that makes the cars. --mi'e [[User:xorxes|xorxes]]
**You're right: the cars are actually related to somebody called Mercedes, namely the daughter of Mr. Benz :), so the car's full name is Mercedes Benz. So ''la .elv. nobli'' is a noble/are nobles related to somebody/something called Elf. (What I wanted to point out: discussions like these "only make sense" with Lojban renderings and hardly with any of the other language examples.) What with dropping the _la_ -> lo'e .elv. nobli cu tarbau se bangu?

***The other languages don't use "Elf" as a proper name either, they all use it as a common name. ''lo'e elv nobli'' is not grammatical, because cmene can't be mixed with brivla to form tanru. We need a predicate for "x1 is an elf", which could be ''cridrxelfa'' or even plain ''elfa''.
****Oh yes, of course! Also, _cridrxelfa_ is exactly the correct fu'ivla - and in my ears sounding horrible :( My idea of the above phrase is: the typical noble related to smth/smb (i.e. the people invented by JRRT) tagged with the name of "elves". Although from Lojban's logical point of view not necessary, I also want to handle the fictionality of these creatures by using a construction with cmene instead of fu'ivla; the gismu _crida_, on the other side, seems to unspecific (cf. the difference elfes/elves!). There are many, many ways to express the idea in Lojban, so anybody is invited to give it a try :) BTW, most of the other languages are using simple borrowings - which, due to the specific creation, is totally correct (cf. German "Elb(en)" in contrast to the German word _Elf(en)_). The Chinese term "jing1ling2" doesn't really designate Tolkien's creatures rather than something covered by lb _crida_.

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la ritcrd cusku di'e

coi mi'e ritcrd.

I really need to put more material here ''u'i''.

[http://www.rrbcurnow.freeuk.com here] is my homepage.

This was in 2001.

At that time, Richard was developing and maintaining [[jbofi'e|jbofi'e]], the standard glosser/parser for Lojban. He seems to have abandoned this project some time between 2003 and 2005. It is no longer present on the software list of Richard's current home page.

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zo filip. cu lojbo cmene mi

My info is under [[pne|pne]].

I sometimes sign my postings here on the Wiki as filip. and sometimes as pne. This may change in the future.

I sign on to the wiki as [[PhilipNewton|PhilipNewton]].

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[[Image:Matt_at_Penguicon_2011_closeup2.png|thumb]][[Image:lojban_masthead.jpg|thumb]]

Lojbanic name: epkat

Wiki user name: Eppcott

Update, October 2015: The following things were true of me during most of the first decade of the 21st century-- the peak of my involvement in Lojban. For now, I will leave it reflecting what I did at that time. My withdrawal was mostly strategic, with the intention to return. I realized most of my goals for the Lojban language could only be accomplished with web development. Therefore, I strategically shifted how I spent my time, to switch careers into web development. That transition is now complete, and I am gradually returning to the community with my newfound technical skills. Rather than describe my planned future contributions, I will describe them only after I accomplish them.

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I am an illustrator, graphic designer and sculptor mi terpixra
primarily interested in Lojban for use in fiction and art. noi ralju selci'i la .lojban. tepi'o lo lisri .e lo selpixra
I learned about Lojban in 2000 mi facki la lojban di'e renonono
and have almost half the root words and grammar words memorized. gi'e mi punji pimu lo'i gismu .e lo'i cmavo lemi mo'isro
I am translating [[The Prophet|The Prophet]] by Kahlil Gibran into Lojban. mi ca'o fanva la prije ctuca poi fi'o la .kalilgibran. ku'o la lojban
I give an annual Lojban presentation with slides mi nanca jarco le nunctuca sepi'o loi pixra
at [http://www.penguicon.org Penguicon], a combination science fiction and open source software convention di'o la .penguikan. noi skefi'a je samselpla girzu salci
which I help to run in the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan, USA. noi mi sidju sazri di'o le se tcadu poi .detroitmicigan. ku'o ku'o ku'o
This presentation started a group of Lojban enthusiasts which meets in my home. la'e di'u rinka le lojbo cinri girzu poi penmi zvati lemi se xabju ku'o
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I designed an alternative Lojban logo, depicted above, and would be very happy to provide free illustrations and page layout for upcoming editions of [[The Complete Lojban Language|The Complete Lojban Language]] or [[What Is Lojban?, The Book]].

I maintain [http://www.nemorathwald.com/Why_Learning_Lojban.htm an extensive Lojban page on my web site] featuring:
* a groovy Lojbanistan mural
* reasons to value and enjoy Lojban as a puzzle and for its mystique
* the translation of I Am A Little Teapot Of Borg
* translations of Nicholas Gurewich's Perry Bible Fellowship web comic

I create the [[Lojban podcast|Lojban podcast]], "jbocradi." I would like to someday host a call-in internet broadcast about the language assisted by chat and whiteboard communication.

Since being elected to membership in [[The Logical Language Group|The Logical Language Group]] and board of directors, I had an idea to offer Lojban enthusiasts citizenship in a faux internet nation, [[xartum|xartum]], which would double as a text-based online game.

I shepherd the following tasks:

=== 1. Social Functions ===

- Organizing and attending [[Logfest|Logfest]]. -- doing

- Scheduling [[Lojbanic Phone Group|phone chats]] through Wiki polls. -- not doing yet

- Scheduling [[Lojban IRC|IRC]] meetups through Wiki polls. -- not doing yet

- Creating, administering, and playing [[the Lojban MOO|the Lojban MOO]] and roleplaying micronation, [[xartum|xartum]]. -- not doing yet

- Chartering branch clubs such as [[Southeast Michigan Lojban group|the one in Detroit]], and the potential one in California. -- doing

- Coordinating collaborators on original Lojban literarature, music, art and film. -- not doing yet

=== 2. Editorial Functions ===

- create an online digest of the blogs and other output of the Lojban community, for the homepage. -- doing

- encourage Lojban enthusiasts create profile pages for themselves on the wiki. -- trying

- continue producing the Lojban podcast -- on hiatus

User:John Schock

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la djancak jbopre gi'e xabju la'o zy Alabama, USA zy

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Associated names:

.i zo djos ve fanva zo'oi Joe

.i zo djandus ve fanva zo'oi jandew

Contact:

[mailto:jandew+lojban@gmail.com mail]

[https://plus.google.com/102980886328046991037 Google+]

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One of the first [['Tweeners|'Tweeners]]. Studied Linguistics in Edinburgh, now working in his native Bulgaria. His translation of the Bulgarian story ''The Story of the Stairs'' was considered at the time a pinnacle of good Lojban style.

Intermittently shows up on Lojban fora. Last sighting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/5881.

User:Bruce McKenzie

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[[Jay Kominek|Jay]]'s hero-of-the-week for writing a paper entitled "Generating Strings at Random from a Context Free Grammar", which solves a problem that poor [[Jay Kominek|Jay]] was wracking his brain about. Now [[Jay Kominek|Jay]] will be able to write a Lojban [[random sentence generator|random sentence generator]] that works. Theoretically.

Bruce's web page is at: http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~bruce/

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* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6303|Joining the Ranks of the BPFK: The LRWTF]] — 9 source posts
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* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6316|The LRWTF]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6318|Dictionary for Mac OS X 10.5]] — 4 source posts
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* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6393|xu do djica lonu penmi]] — 2 source posts
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* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6533|fangybau]] — 4 source posts
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* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6681|ratni]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6688|makcu joi no'e makcu persika]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6699|Text-to-speech - mispronunciation of "cai" as "kai"?]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6707|letteral reference]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6712|Assertions of time-relations and precision of abstractions]] — 10 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6730|Indecent question]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6736|I usually take out the garbage on Mondays]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6758|lerfu question]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6764|lujvo list]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6776|[lcs@conlang.org: Conlang film - Comments requested, deadline ASAP]]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6782|Fwd: Obrigado - Gracias - Thanks]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6789|Conlang film in production, comments requestedlcs@conlang.org]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6795|Conlang film in production, comments requested]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6801|PEG grammar issues]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6597|Russian etymology of Lojban]] — 9 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6601|etymology tome]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6623|studystack]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6638|xu lo bangu ka'e mrobi'o]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6663|Whorfian hypothesis in the news (2nd try)]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6667|Nth letter of the alphabet]] — 10 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6686|vonlenska]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6690|xu do tergaskanga'e?]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6703|New Posting in The Lojbanic Interactive Story]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6710|[Fwd: Why there is a MODIFIER LETTER TURNED COMMA but no MODIFIER LETTER FULL STOP?]]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6750|Possible error in CLL:14:7:3]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6770|priority of se and na/nai in logical connectives]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6796|Conlang film in production, comments requested]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6696|translation attempt]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6701|Text-to-speech - espeak reads single-vowel words as their word+bu]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6716|Why's there no ka abstraction for nelci?]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6720|Assertions of time-relations and precision of abstraction]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6743|teirma'o]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6755|Hyperlinked gismu list]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6766|ampersands]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6779|[lcs@conlang.org: Conlang film - Comments requested, deadline ASAP]]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6804|lojgloss gismu glossing]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6811|PEG left recursion]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6815|Cards?]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6817|lojgloss extraneous characters]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6823|preti zdile]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6828|ci gerku ce'e re nanmu]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6830|lojgloss and linebreaks]] — 9 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6837|termsets and "equal scope"]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6845|lojgloss translations]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6848|selma'o -> CLL]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6850|left recursion changes]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6854|CONLANG the Movie - Fundraiser]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6856|Lojgloss 2.0]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6858|Random Sentence Generator - Visual basic help needed]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6862|sentence initial indicators]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6871|lo nu mi senva]] — 13 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6883|Lojgloss 2.0.1]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6885|vorme]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6887|Lojgloss 2.0.1 errors]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6889|technical bridi place question]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6891|Error in the PEG Morphology Algorithm]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6905|Is massive upload to Jbovlaste possible?]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6907|Lojgloss 2.0.2]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6914|Lojgloss is not jbogloss]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6916|Book of Esther translation is now on the tiki]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6930|SETI's Are We Alone interview w/ Donald Boozer]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6943|Robin AFK for a while.]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6945|Attitudionals in a "la" clause]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6952|ralju ke lujvo bo tarmi]] — 10 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6960|Money page]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/6969|Lojban Speech Recognition semester-project]] — 12 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7021|Jbonunsla 2009 at Penguicon!]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7037|Amber Diceless RPG, play by email, all are invited]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7049|nuncanci la krispinas ambylis]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7056|trying poe poetry translation]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7065|la rokci kabri ku noi lisri]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7069|damva'u vs. damylifri]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7074|lojban, literary & living (was Book of Esther)]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7077|zo kibro]] — 10 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7087|Another podcast]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7089|question for speakers of German]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7093|go'i / ri]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7095|New, more Lojbanic Lojban orthography]] — 12 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7101|Untitled]] — 18 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7104|Kafka in Lojban: lo nu binxo]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7106|lojbo cmaci]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7110|Dereferencing sumti referring to selbri]] — 14 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7112|Organizer/task-master needed, < 1 hr/week, no Lojban skill required. Very important.]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7127|2 vowels I'm missing]] — 11 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7140|LA/LO/LE: Three Perspectives on Language]] — 11 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7151|How to spread the word]] — 16 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7158|Lojban needs to reorganize, what do you think of it?]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7168|Can you read this and tell me if it is correct?]] — 12 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7171|lei vrici .e lei cilce .e lei la'a to'e cnici]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7183|re cmalu preti]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7185|How many fluent speakrs of Lojban are there?]] — 18 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7219|Problems with the new website layout....]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7229|multi-part names]] — 9 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7235|noda in sumti-place => false bridi]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7247|du ra'o]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7252|What is the most direct translation on English.]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7259|Parsers won't compile in Linux]] — 11 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7267|Lojbanists on the Chaos Communication Congress]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7272|drani a'o pinka zo pa jo'u zo su'o]] — 15 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7277|readline script for jbofi'e]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7285|eastern languages]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7320|What do we call roots in other languages?]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7323|Second Life]] — 13 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7333|Numerical questions]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7340|cipra]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7345|ziryroi ?]] — 12 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7347|converted gismu]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7360|Translation exercise ...]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7378|le gusta co minde mutce]] — 40 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7402|TOK (Theory of Knowledge)]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7408|A challenge for computer science/programming geeks: The LLG wants to give you $500!]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7412|A challenge for computer science/programming geeks: The LLG wants to give you $500!]] — 14 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7414|A challenge for computer science/programming geeks: The LLG wants to give you $500!]] — 12 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7429|Attitudinals and Plutchik's wheel]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7450|Sources for luj1999?]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7453|Lojgloss source now available]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7457|how to say "call"?]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7468|experimental cmavo in lojgloss.]] — 30 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7507|la'e di'u (was: experimental cmavo in lojgloss.)]] — 18 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7509|Magic words (was: experimental cmavo in lojgloss.)]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7529|eSpeak and lojban]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7545|Lojban Sentence Templates]] — 15 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7561|recording mumble sessions]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7586|cnino xe fanva]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7588|Annotated PEG grammar]] — 32 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7629|more grammar discussion]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7633|x3 of djuno and krici]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7640|Annotated PEG grammar first draft]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7661|peg experiment with changing clauses to better support sa]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7671|cmavo]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7676|Superfluous {tosmabru} check?]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7684|Spiegel online: ua za'e jbivistci]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7692|Coming soon: the Language Creation Society podcast! (interviewees, poetry, & music wanted)]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7693|jbovlaste-based dictionary, 2nd edition]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7701|"The predicate is the subject of this sentence."]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7703|Lojban with only cmavo: an Oulipian strategy]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7708|x2 of klani]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7713|Perl program for searching Lojban word lists]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7743|le mu xamgu pe lo nunji'e]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7744|About the negators]] — 30 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7751|Lojgloss web version available]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7756|Available now: free, permanent, conlang hosting]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7757|more problems with ni'o]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7781|va mo cifnu]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7783|gleki xisri'i]] — 33 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7814|"jilra" (translation exercise)]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7815|3rd Language Creation Conference dates & LCS membership now open]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7818|New to the list]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7823|Ducktales Lyrics]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7829|Assistance requested,]] — 10 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7832|ui a'o lojbot me la redit (Lojban reddit!)]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7836|basna le za'i smaji fi'e la sergei,kozlov]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7846|New word list search page]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7847|CFG handling of terminators]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7848|haiku]] — 11 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7850|Conlang music]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7863|Very loose Lojbanic game idea.]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7873|Lojban panel discussion at Penguicon]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7875|Archon in St Louis was Lojban panel discussion at Penguicon]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7881|How to say "Hmong"?]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7885|Periodic Table of Elements]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7891|Language Creation Society podcast now live]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7893|place tag confusion]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7898|2nd Language Creation Conference videos now part of LCS Podcast]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7899|jungo fesmri fapro bende]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7906|HTML reference grammar patch]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7907|Missing out obvious words]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7909|3rd Language Creation Conference update & preview]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7910|A completely different RPN solution.]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7911|la jvozba .e la jboval.]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7912|CFG prize challenge question]] — 11 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7915|The time is near! The Penguicon cometh!]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7917|[Fwd: The time is near! The Penguicon cometh!]]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7920|LogFest 2009! Come join us!]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7921|LogFest 2009! Come join us!]] — 13 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7943|Lojban podcast resuming on the Language Creation Podcast]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7946|Lojban podcast resuming on the Language Creation Podcast]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7947|Lojban podcast resuming on the Language Creation Podcast]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7948|Lojban podcast resuming on the Language Creation Podcast]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7953|Reasons to put your name on the list for Penguicon]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7956|New LCS podcast/blog; contributors wanted]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7964|nominative-accusative & ergative-absolutive]] — 10 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7974|xamoi velfarvi be fo la sorseltcana simtadji be'o judri]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7976|xamoi velfarvi be fo la sorseltcana simtadji be'o judri]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7982|Place structure of "krokoziabra"?]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7984|Feeds on jbotcan]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7988|syntax]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7991|Lojban, going social!]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7996|Lojban/Interactive Fiction panel at Penguicon?]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/7998|fanmo jimte]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8000|place structure and frame semantics]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8001|Give us money to bring people to LogFest!]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8002|lojbo jo'u glico nu kamjunmre]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8007|xractu - learn Lojban with pictures]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8011|Newbie questions]] — 12 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8025|pronominal imperatives]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8026|/sance/ (test board)]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8032|LCC3 Simulcast this weekend & Friday info]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8033|Lojban ortographies]] — 18 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8040|Extra room space at PenguiCon/LogFest?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8050|Differences between printed and HTML versions of CLL (was: Lojban ortographies)]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8051|Differences between printed and HTML versions of CLL]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8052|cmene]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8053|cmene]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8057|does conlanging change your sense of reality?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8059|la xance se punji ractu lojbo]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8061|loi to'e vajni]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8065|zo magjaro]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8075|se pemci se cinmo se bebna se cusku]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8081|Penguicon Lojban Festival Update]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8082|Wiki Copyleft?]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8088|Translations For Penguicon Lojban Festival]] — 15 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8112|if]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8116|Gender neutrality?]] — 15 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8129|A multipurpose program for lojbanic tasks]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8132|Foreign-language dictionaries]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8133|jbonunsla]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8136|Closed alpha testers wanted ...]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8145|Why People Don't Like Nerds or Programmers (or Lojbanists?)]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8147|Logical Naming Conventions]] — 45 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8177|Logical naming , etc]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8183|la .problemas.]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8184|jbotcan]] — 16 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8188|Anime Boston]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8189|lo gento damba]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8192|nutrition]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8193|pu zi tolvai fasnu]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8202|le fomsa sukta bo jensa]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8203|doi snan]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8208|"Relative Clause Veridical Quantification Gotcha" influenced by xorlo?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8210|IEML and lojban]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8211|"Relative Clause Veridical Quantification Gotcha" influenced by xorlo?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8227|Alternate writing systems?]] — 13 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8231|Excuse me,but how do I translate "welcome to the world of Lojban"?]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8236|New learner says, "Hi"]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8238|vitke]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8240|Alternative Lojban Logos]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8244|CLL fix?]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8257|patfu?]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8255|jbobau nunkelci]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8266|In the land of invented languages]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8269|origin or composition of soap]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8274|Fwd: Let's vote for Lojban!]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8275|wikipedia bot]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8278|lojban-list Digest V8 #99]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8279|E Pluribus Unum and question about "lo nu binxo"]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8286|Start of closed alpha draws closer ...]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8292|sel ter vel xel]] — 18 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8304|vlapir]] — 9 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8321|selma'o nomenclature]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8324|cnino kasyjda bo velsku]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8325|la .iutub. no'u la dontu'u (YouTube)]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8326|nei]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8328|LCS Podcast - Interview with Arika Okrent]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8337|Why Google Should Learn Lojban]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8346|I've added lojban to hunch.com ...]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8347|Lojbanic Document Discusser]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8348|Regarding the gismu {vlagi}.]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8358|through the looking glass]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8365|xenru be tu'a la maikl.djaksn. xatra]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8372|1st Conlang IRC meet - Sun. Aug 2 @ 11a-1p PST]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8373|cfika kampu valsi]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8374|lo kulnu claxu bangu]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8376|Is there a Gordon Dyke's son in the house?]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8385|jbocradi]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8388|lojbo census]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8390|zo si si si]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8394|cmene for Los Angeles]] — 14 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8404|be, bei?]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8414|Poll time! (jbofi'e related)]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8417|I might...]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8420|preti lo du'u ta'i ma kau zo'o pilno zo kau]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8421|cermlesamcu]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8429|cnino ke fatmi'u lerpoi]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8430|A suggestion about "prenu"]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8432|gugde]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8433|Philosophical differences.]] — 29 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8448|Academic background on Lojban]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8451|ce'u and se/sel]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8455|.cniglic. chapter to be published!]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8457|F1]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8467|Toki Pona Philosophical differences.]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8473|elliptical sentences]] — 14 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8474|la'e lu tavla lo na'e te djuno li'u noi za'e nutpemci]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8484|jbolatmi'a]] — 10 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8491|jbolatmi'a - o rly?]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8505|rss feed pe'u]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8508|Proverbs and sayings]] — 21 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8507|Ordering of time/space tenses?]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8523|Experiments in Sapir Whorf]] — 29 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8544|Outrageous?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8549|The correct interpretation of {sisti}?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8542|Outrageous?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8547|The correct interpretation of {sisti}?]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8545|Outrageous?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8550|The correct interpretation of {sisti}?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8543|Outrageous?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8548|The correct interpretation of {sisti}?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8546|Outrageous?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8553|jbotcan is back up! come and see!]] — 13 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8565|lots of questions]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8590|webserver hosed?]] — 27 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8588|Parsing NIhO sections of text]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8600|selterbroda]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8608|identica]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8611|potentially stupid question]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8628|xu mi ka'e ponse lo xamselfi'i]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8619|For comments]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8627|Lojban Jokes WAS webserver hosed?]] — 13 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8647|Checkpointed cmavo]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8650|Modal se si'u]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8651|me mi lerfu]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8654|lo tolmle traji ke jbobau valsi]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8656|Lojbanic Phone Group]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8664|How many possible gismu?]] — 39 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8672|Fwd: lojban and raising a child bi-lingual]] — 52 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8705|Yawn!]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8706|Compound vs Coordinate Bilinguals]] — 20 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8726|Voip/IRC party: lo rolnai lojbo bo nelci jikca]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8728|A new version of the lojban dictionary]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8729|dictionary]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8738|JOB: Create a language for a TV show - deadlines ASAP]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8740|xorlo]] — 56 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8762|le nikle gerku]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8807|E-Prime & Lojban]] — 12 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8813|Logical connectives]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8827|zo xi]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8834|Translating Facebook]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8835|forums]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8845|Compound vs Coordinate Bilinguals zo'o]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8869|Lojban Girl?]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8875|Generic specific sumti]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8883|la jefnuzba pa moi]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8884|Strike though, and underline]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8886|experimental words < Generic specific sumti]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8888|budjo velsku]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8905|PEG-grammar/camxes and selbri negation]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8911|Translating "even"]] — 23 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8916|la jefnuzba re moi]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8935|eliding everything]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8937|How to reduce the amount of something?]] — 12 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8942|suggested final consonants for cmevla]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8943|Facebook Spreads Its Crowdsourced Translations Across the Web, And The World - Still no Lojban]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8951|le solji nilnalci'o]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8954|la jefnuzba ci moi]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8955|lojban-list Digest V8 #201]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8961|selbri fa place and gadri question]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8972|What sumti slot comes after the selbri? (jbofi'e quirk!) (official answer by jcowan!)]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8976|questions about Ruth]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8978|la jefnuzba vo moi]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8979|Toronto Escort Toronto Asian Escort Yfc Escort Agency]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8980|Toronto Escort Toronto Asian Escort Yfc Escort Agency]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8991|Toronto Escort Toronto Asian Escort Yfc Escort Agency]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/8998|Using TTS to create lojbanic spoken text]] — 16 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9000|NA jonai NA]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9005|What would happen if xu and ko were put together? (Now in the right list!)]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9007|What would happen if xu and ko were put together? (Now in the right list!)]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9008|What would happen if xu and ko were put toge...]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9021|lojban typography]] — 11 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9032|danfu dandu danlu]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9036|vagueness vs ambiguity]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9040|CLL Translations?]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9043|heads of phrases]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9046|djuno lo jei]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9048|xorlo and the expansion of bridi]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9051|lojban and legalese]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9052|A story to translate into Lojban]] — 11 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9067|Lojbanic 'folk' music.]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9068|anyone got gismu categories?]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9073|complex names]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9075|Lojban is not suitable for oral communication?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9077|musical moods]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9078|lojban dictionary bookmarklet]] — 18 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9086|[jolyon.jenkins@bbc.co.uk: BBC Radio show on invented languages]]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9087|[jolyon.jenkins@bbc.co.uk: BBC Radio show on invented languages]]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9090|[jolyon.jenkins@bbc.co.uk: BBC Radio show on invented languages]]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9091|[jolyon.jenkins@bbc.co.uk: BBC Radio show on invented languages]]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9092|[jolyon.jenkins@bbc.co.uk: BBC Radio show on invented languages]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9088|Abstractors {ni} and {jei} (and {ka})]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9109|Fwd: New set created for Lojban]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9117|Excuse me,but how do I translate "welcome to the world of Lojban"?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9118|Official Larlermorna (Lojbanic Elian Script) Video!]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9119|Matt Arnold is having some financial trouble.]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9121|Excuse me,but how do I translate "welcome to the world of Lojban"?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9122|numbers and tanru]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9158|New learner say]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9128|New]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9131|I'm writing a parser]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9135|tools, ideas and stuff]] — 14 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9148|Lojban interactive software]] — 11 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9149|5/6%]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9151|Lojban site malfunction?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9156|Need: lojban list archives from Nov 1999 through June 2002]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9157|Test mail, sorry.]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9168|malranxi]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9169|LFB print]] — 16 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9173|bancu, bandu and bangu]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9182|what's a du'u?]] — 20 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9188|subliminal learning lojban?]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9206|Smart.fm and Lojban]] — 48 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9227|fi'e or fi'i or other?]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9232|LFB revised?]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9236|A dog who invents dairy products]] — 20 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9274|cmavo for 'realized potential'?]] — 10 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9284|most common rafsi]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9290|Fwd: xorlo, lo'e, and le'e]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9299|nuzban.org]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9305|Translated By]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9307|vlatai]] — 12 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9312|tagged termsets]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9314|Word for 'fusion tape'?]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9322|tense question]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9327|Specifying natural language ambiguity in Lojban translation?]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9330|Specifying natural language ambiguity in Lojban translation?]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9333|The New Method]] — 20 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9336|Product details inquiry from Amazon customer stejfazi@aol.com]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9347|Product details inquiry from Amazon customer stejfazi@aol.com]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9356|Getting added & navigating the wave (was: The New Method)]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9360|An open source AI research & developing project uses lojban]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9369|vlatai and logflash]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9370|vlatai and logflash]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9371|Getting added & navigating the wave (was: The New Method)]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9376|interlingua translation and first-order logic]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9384|Article in the Economist about languages and their comparative difficulty for speakers of English]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9385|Article in the Economist about languages and their comparative difficulty for speakers of English]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9386|great news! translated.by is adding lojban =)]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9389|Update! Lojban is up and running on translated.by]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9402|lo te cacra]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9404|Happy New Year!]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9411|trick question]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9412|Initial impression]] — 31 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9424|Place structure of bijyjbu]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9448|BBC Radio 4 - "Word of Mouth"]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9457|"Corpus" file not available?]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9459|the "t" in jetnu and a go'i question]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9465|Random fu'ivla formation thought.]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9470|wikiversity lojban quiz]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9475|shifting in tanru]] — 11 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9477|lo krasi be zoi gy. Tic-Tac-Toe gy. (xajmi)]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9490|erratum in refgram]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9492|An essay on the SWH in all but name.]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9493|xorxes 5 sentences]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9496|(Un-)Official translation project!]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9499|Lojban Short Story 1]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9501|question about emphasis or something like it]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9507|camxes's reaction to some fu'ivla]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9512|New version of the jbovlaste-based PDF]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9516|My (new) blog about Lojban]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9524|Penguicon]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9526|BabelFish-type Instant Translation]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9530|An open source AI research & developing project uses lojban]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9531|nu kamjunmre fo loi breveto]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9543|smart.fm]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9544|la .alis.]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9546|social web aggregators (Cliqset, Friendfeed)]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9547|Source Code]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9555|New completed texts]] — 5 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9560|Eclipse Phase Quick-Start Rules in Lojban?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 5/9567|Lojbanising words?]] — 2 source posts

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* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 4/1450|Move Test.]] — 6 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 4/4376|Test again.]] — 8 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 4/4509|Test.]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 4/4510|No watches.]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 4/8217|drawing test]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 4/9596|Microsoft Office ]] — 2 source posts
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Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1

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* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/10|Interpretive conventions for lerfu formatting cmavo]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/151|Sandbox Link]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/153|Sandbox Link]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/155|Sandbox Link]] — 1 source posts
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* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/165|Sandbox Link]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/714|Admin Note]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/716|Admin Note]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/1410|ko'a viska re nanmu goi ko'e joi ko'i]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3466|Test]] — 10 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3500|lo javni be fi la xorxes]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3571|PC's stuff.]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3588|Just checking]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3618|[jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar: Relative Clauses and Phrases]]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3624|That work for you?]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3643|NOT SURE]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3645|[phma@phma.hn.org: NOT SURE]]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3674|PEG question]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3675|PEG question]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3765|The Quandary about xorlo]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3920|Wiki page baupla fuzykamni changed]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/3994|Wiki page Logfest 2002 picture people list]] — 1 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/4298|Wiki page Tiki Feature Testing changed]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/4779|Import Instructions]] — 3 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/5545|Home Page]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/5862|Wiki page Home Page changed by arj]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/6259|Tiki Feature Testing]] — 4 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/6925|Delete this thread]] — 2 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/7213|Robin Testing]] — 7 source posts
* [[Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/Unused prompts|Unused prompts]] — 92 source posts
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=== Re: Re: Test. ===
''Terence · 2004-06-24 19:26 UTC · Tiki post #1431 · reply to Tiki post #1427''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">> > Test #1.
> > > -robin
> Terence's test 1
test</div>

=== Re: Re: Re: Test. ===
''Terence · 2004-06-24 19:29 UTC · Tiki post #1435 · reply to Tiki post #1429''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">> > > Test #1.
> > > > -robin
> > Terence's test 2 using upper reply form
> Terence test 3
yet another one. gaaaaaaa</div>

=== Re: Re: Re: Re: Test. ===
''Terence · 2004-06-24 19:31 UTC · Tiki post #1439 · reply to Tiki post #1429''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">> > > > Test #1.
> > > > > -robin
> > > Terence's test 2 using upper reply form
> > Terence test 3
> yet another one. gaaaaaaa
nest nest nest!</div>

=== Test. ===
''rlpowell · 2005-02-03 02:13 UTC · Tiki post #3836 · reply to Tiki post #1429''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Test post after upgrade.

-Robin</div>

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=== partial shift cancellation ===
''stevo · 2004-01-04 03:57 UTC · Tiki post #250 · reply to Tiki post #249''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">In a message dated 2004-01-03 5:00:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wikidiscuss@lojban.org writes:
> ;na'a: Cancels all shifts (font, case, etc.) currently applied to
> letterals. Any shifts that occur earlier in the text do not affect letterals from this
> .

how is only one shift to be cancelled when several are effective? e.g., if
i'm using russian and italics and capitalization, how do i cancel just the
italics and capitalization without cancelling the russian? or do i have to
reactivate all the shifts i still want after each time i cancel?

stevo</div>

=== Morphology: consonants ===
''Anonymous · 2005-02-20 11:37 UTC · Tiki post #4034 · reply to Tiki post #4031''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">There's a lot of initial triples here. How many words can you think of
beginning with them? Here are a couple to start you off:
jglandi: walnut
splaknuke: a Brobdingnagian animal

phma

--
..i le babzba ba zbasu
lo jbazbabu lo babjba</div>

=== BPFK Section: Quantity sumtcita ===
''Anonymous · 2005-03-29 21:13 UTC · Tiki post #4476 · reply to Tiki post #4475''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">> Examples of se mau Usage
> mi'a ca nelci le cmalu trene semau le sorprekarce
> We like the small train, more so than the bus.

This (very frequent) type of usage has been traditionally
objected. (Do we like the small train more than we like
the bus, or more than the bus likes the small train?
Context clearly disambiguates in this case, but not in
other similar cases.) The usual correction was to
say {semau tu'a le sorprekarce} or {le cmalu trene
ne semau le sorprekarce}, but if we don't want any rules
for BAIs I suppose this one will now become acceptable
too.

mu'o mi'e xorxes</div>

=== BPFK Section: Quantity sumtcita ===
''arj · 2005-03-29 21:37 UTC · Tiki post #4477 · reply to Tiki post #4475''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Jorge Llambas wrote:

>> Examples of se mau Usage
>> mi'a ca nelci le cmalu trene semau le sorprekarce
>> We like the small train, more so than the bus.
>
> This (very frequent) type of usage has been traditionally
> objected. (Do we like the small train more than we like
> the bus, or more than the bus likes the small train?

Gee, I see the problem. IIRC that was from actual usage. I'll try to think
up an example that uses it the right way. (If *you* could give a good
example, that would be swell.)

> Context clearly disambiguates in this case, but not in
> other similar cases.)

Is it possible/likely that this vagueness could be intentional on the part
of those who added {mau}? (I am especially asking for oldbie input on this
one.)

Do you people think it is *desirable* to have this vagueness available?

--
Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/
7% unemployment is no problem, according to 93% of the population.</div>

=== BPFK Section: Quantity sumtcita ===
''pycyn · 2005-03-29 22:31 UTC · Tiki post #4478 · reply to Tiki post #4475''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">--- Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Jorge Llambías wrote:
>
> >> Examples of se mau Usage
> >> mi'a ca nelci le cmalu trene semau le
> sorprekarce
> >> We like the small train, more so than the
> bus.
> >
> > This (very frequent) type of usage has been
> traditionally
> > objected. (Do we like the small train more
> than we like
> > the bus, or more than the bus likes the small
> train?
>
> Gee, I see the problem. IIRC that was from
> actual usage. I'll try to think
> up an example that uses it the right way. (If
> *you* could give a good
> example, that would be swell.)
>
> > Context clearly disambiguates in this case,
> but not in
> > other similar cases.)
>
> Is it possible/likely that this vagueness could
> be intentional on the part
> of those who added {mau}? (I am especially
> asking for oldbie input on this
> one.)
>
> Do you people think it is *desirable* to have
> this vagueness available?
>
Gee, I hate to go all ruley, but this case seems
different from the cases over in Epistmology.
This is not about a transformation but about what
a BAI phrase modifies (which I suppose does come
out to be acertain kind of transformation): "We
more than the bus like the small train (trolley?)
vs. we like more that the bus the small train
(damn, this needs diagrams but you get the idea).
Since these are sumtcita of quantity, this must
add a quantity place to the predication. But
that doesn't help, since "How much?" can be
answered by either "More than the bus does" or
"More than we like the bus." {le ni mi'o nelci
le cmalu trene cu zmadu le ni mi'o nelci le
sorprekarce} v
{le ni mi'o nelci le cmalu trene cu zmadu le ni
le sorprekarce cu nelci le cmaulu trene}.
One way to deal with it I suppose is to put the
added place next to what it revolves on {mio se
mau le sorprekarce cu ...} v what is given here.
With a fronted or reared version that is
ambiguous in the way this seems to be (and is in
English). The stock response, that the
subject-bus case is has an abstraction at its
base while the object-bus case does not doesn't
really seem to have a lot of basis in underlying
structures. But then we just got rid of
underlying structures as significant here. Which
brings me back to thinking this is in principle a
different kind of case, but leaves me no clearer
on what the difference is or why it is
significant. </div>

=== BPFK Section: Quantity sumtcita ===
''pycyn · 2005-03-29 23:15 UTC · Tiki post #4479 · reply to Tiki post #4475''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">--- John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> --- Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> >
> > >> Examples of se mau Usage
> > >> mi'a ca nelci le cmalu trene semau le
> > sorprekarce
> > >> We like the small train, more so than the
> > bus.
> > >
> > > This (very frequent) type of usage has been
> > traditionally
> > > objected. (Do we like the small train more
> > than we like
> > > the bus, or more than the bus likes the
> small
> > train?
> >
> > Gee, I see the problem. IIRC that was from
> > actual usage. I'll try to think
> > up an example that uses it the right way. (If
> > *you* could give a good
> > example, that would be swell.)
> >
> > > Context clearly disambiguates in this case,
> > but not in
> > > other similar cases.)
> >
> > Is it possible/likely that this vagueness
> could
> > be intentional on the part
> > of those who added {mau}? (I am especially
> > asking for oldbie input on this
> > one.)
> >
> > Do you people think it is *desirable* to have
> > this vagueness available?
> >
> Gee, I hate to go all ruley, but this case
> seems
> different from the cases over in Epistmology.
> This is not about a transformation but about
> what
> a BAI phrase modifies (which I suppose does
> come
> out to be acertain kind of transformation): "We
> more than the bus like the small train
> (trolley?)
> vs. we like more that the bus the small train
> (damn, this needs diagrams but you get the
> idea).
> Since these are sumtcita of quantity, this
> must
> add a quantity place to the predication. But
> that doesn't help, since "How much?" can be
> answered by either "More than the bus does" or
> "More than we like the bus." {le ni mi'o nelci
> le cmalu trene cu zmadu le ni mi'o nelci le
> sorprekarce} v
> {le ni mi'o nelci le cmalu trene cu zmadu le ni
> le sorprekarce cu nelci le cmaulu trene}.
> One way to deal with it I suppose is to put the
> added place next to what it revolves on {mio se
> mau le sorprekarce cu ...} v what is given
> here.
> With a fronted or reared version that is
> ambiguous in the way this seems to be (and is
> in
> English). The stock response, that the
> subject-bus case is has an abstraction at its
> base while the object-bus case does not doesn't
> really seem to have a lot of basis in
> underlying
> structures. But then we just got rid of
> underlying structures as significant here.
> Which
> brings me back to thinking this is in principle
> a
> different kind of case, but leaves me no
> clearer
> on what the difference is or why it is
> significant.

Well, the difference seems to be that no matter
how you make an explanation, you seem always to a
pair of substitutions in a frame, so the crucial
thing is to identify the frame(which is in the
main bridi) since the substituends are given
(once the frame is picked). I don't think this
pattern works generally, but maybe it does for
quantities, just as the insertion of events into
the associated predicate does for causal BAI.
The problem is, of course, that this does nothing
to say what the frame is. Insisting on putting
the two sustituends next to eachother leave no
room for afterthought: we like the trolley --
more than the bus does. I don't think we really
want to leave the simple form ambiguous and
certainly not if we don't have somethings almost
as simple that is clear. (I suppose the {tu'a
le sorprekarce} version is a calque of "than the
bus does." But of course the object-bus case is
as much a buried abstraction as the subject-bus,
once we introduce that notion into
considerations.) Which gets us nowhere either.</div>

=== Re: Tiki Feature Testing ===
''rlpowell · 2007-10-30 05:31 UTC · Tiki post #6257 · reply to Tiki post #6256''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">How are the forums working these days?

-Robin</div>

Talk:Tiki forum archive/Forum 1/Unused prompts

2026-09-15T07:09:39Z

Ciste: Archive original Tiki forum thread with author, date and post IDs

''These are Tiki's automatically generated discussion prompts with no replies. They are preserved for source completeness, not presented as substantive article discussion.''

== Source-only prompts ==

=== New conlang ===
''bancus · 2003-09-19 22:46 UTC · Tiki post #7''
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=== Annotated machine grammar ===
''rab.spir · 2003-09-23 20:45 UTC · Tiki post #15''
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=== XXS: Extended XS proposal ===
''xorxes · 2003-09-30 14:20 UTC · Tiki post #127''
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=== Logic Language Draft 1.1 ===
''earendur · 2003-10-29 19:09 UTC · Tiki post #191''
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=== jbotut ===
''arj · 2003-11-02 17:35 UTC · Tiki post #192''
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=== BPKF Member: Theodore Alexander Reed ===
''bancus · 2003-11-13 07:35 UTC · Tiki post #203''
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=== BPFK ===
''bancus · 2003-11-23 10:31 UTC · Tiki post #227''
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=== BPFK Members ===
''lojbab · 2004-03-02 10:37 UTC · Tiki post #312''
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=== BPFK Section: Mathematical Constants ===
''rlpowell · 2004-09-30 21:09 UTC · Tiki post #2157''
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=== Move NAI to CAI ===
''arj · 2004-11-25 18:02 UTC · Tiki post #3088''
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=== la cibyska ===
''adonis_ · 2004-12-08 12:57 UTC · Tiki post #3098''
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=== BPFK Section: Typicals ===
''rlpowell · 2004-12-16 18:29 UTC · Tiki post #3103''
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=== lo javni be fi la xorxes ===
''Anonymous · 2005-01-11 22:20 UTC · Tiki post #3499''
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=== PC's stuff. ===
''rlpowell · 2005-01-11 23:59 UTC · Tiki post #3570''
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=== Just checking ===
''xorxes · 2005-01-12 00:40 UTC · Tiki post #3587''
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=== That work for you? ===
''xorxes · 2005-01-12 01:55 UTC · Tiki post #3623''
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=== [phma@phma.hn.org: NOT SURE] ===
''xorxes · 2005-01-12 02:20 UTC · Tiki post #3644''
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=== Morphology: consonants ===
''Anonymous · 2005-02-20 11:36 UTC · Tiki post #4033''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the [[Morphology: consonants]] page.</div>

=== BPFK Section: Formal Morphology ===
''rlpowell · 2005-03-01 21:14 UTC · Tiki post #4295''
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=== Logic Language Draft 77.1 ===
''pycyn · 2005-04-08 15:42 UTC · Tiki post #4570''
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=== gism ===
''daltong · 2005-05-18 18:58 UTC · Tiki post #4613''
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=== BPFK gismu Proposal: kanpe ===
''arj · 2005-06-10 10:52 UTC · Tiki post #4767''
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=== I like you being beaten by me ===
''xorxes · 2005-07-27 21:00 UTC · Tiki post #4787''
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=== BookErrata ===
''earendur · 2005-08-26 14:43 UTC · Tiki post #5449''
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=== BPFK Section: gadri as of 25 Dec 2004 ===
''xorxes · 2005-09-29 16:25 UTC · Tiki post #5645''
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=== Lojban Formulae ===
''xorxes · 2005-09-30 15:09 UTC · Tiki post #5646''
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=== Implicit learning ===
''inego · 2005-11-08 11:57 UTC · Tiki post #5656''
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=== Pending modules ===
''evgenis · 2005-11-14 19:49 UTC · Tiki post #5676''
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=== Translating Tiki Interface Elements ===
''djamal · 2005-11-16 23:14 UTC · Tiki post #5677''
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=== Official versus Unofficial Pages ===
''earendur · 2005-12-01 22:09 UTC · Tiki post #5700''
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=== Old Draft Textbook ===
''bbs · 2005-12-05 06:05 UTC · Tiki post #5712''
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=== Frequently Asked Questions About Lojban ===
''iloppi · 2005-12-12 18:19 UTC · Tiki post #5728''
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=== Donations ===
''ckafi · 2005-12-16 16:34 UTC · Tiki post #5731''
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=== IRC cheat sheet ===
''clsn · 2005-12-20 15:20 UTC · Tiki post #5732''
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=== Hiragana ===
''inego · 2005-12-28 04:59 UTC · Tiki post #5738''
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=== if the rule about no la or lai or doi in cmene didn't exist ===
''clsn · 2006-01-01 21:03 UTC · Tiki post #5745''
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=== malstika ===
''rlpowell · 2006-01-07 00:24 UTC · Tiki post #5747''
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=== Sexual terminology ===
''brablonau · 2006-01-08 00:07 UTC · Tiki post #5756''
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=== Keyboard Terminology ===
''brablonau · 2006-01-08 00:08 UTC · Tiki post #5757''
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=== Keyboard key names ===
''brablonau · 2006-01-08 00:16 UTC · Tiki post #5758''
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=== Lojban For Beginners ===
''brablonau · 2006-01-11 23:16 UTC · Tiki post #5782''
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=== The Lojban MOO ===
''inego · 2006-01-12 08:34 UTC · Tiki post #5783''
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=== Lojban MOO Dubious Translations ===
''inego · 2006-01-18 04:10 UTC · Tiki post #5792''
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=== Lojban IRC ===
''JayKominek · 2006-01-24 17:23 UTC · Tiki post #5808''
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=== common beginner misunderstanding database ===
''clsn · 2006-02-01 17:12 UTC · Tiki post #5811''
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=== citri lo glibau by bu ===
''adamgarrigus · 2006-03-06 22:26 UTC · Tiki post #5820''
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=== gismutrainer ===
''cheery · 2006-04-07 17:37 UTC · Tiki post #5824''
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=== tu'a le cukta ===
''kitsu · 2006-05-01 17:10 UTC · Tiki post #5831''
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=== The Prophet Translation, Dubious Places ===
''kitsu · 2006-05-04 19:43 UTC · Tiki post #5833''
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=== Three-value Logic ===
''brablonau · 2006-05-30 17:12 UTC · Tiki post #5851''
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=== introductory reader ===
''aleks · 2006-07-17 21:26 UTC · Tiki post #5874''
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=== The Prophet ===
''adamgarrigus · 2006-07-25 01:45 UTC · Tiki post #5886''
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=== Учебник01 ===
''evgenis · 2006-07-30 18:01 UTC · Tiki post #5889''
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=== lojread ===
''timthelion · 2006-08-04 21:45 UTC · Tiki post #5902''
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=== CLL, aka Reference Grammar, Errata ===
''adamgarrigus · 2006-08-06 20:05 UTC · Tiki post #5912''
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=== Dictionaries, Glossers and parsers ===
''timthelion · 2006-08-17 04:16 UTC · Tiki post #5986''
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=== jboselsla 2006 ===
''Eppcott · 2006-08-29 03:43 UTC · Tiki post #6021''
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=== GnomeNewWords ===
''brablonau · 2006-10-22 13:34 UTC · Tiki post #6069''
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=== Lojban Logo ===
''Eppcott · 2006-11-01 19:11 UTC · Tiki post #6070''
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=== malglico examples ===
''Eppcott · 2006-12-13 20:40 UTC · Tiki post #6109''
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=== Lojban: first time ===
''timonator · 2006-12-29 18:56 UTC · Tiki post #6130''
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=== Swedish False Friends ===
''PurplePlatypus · 2007-10-08 20:29 UTC · Tiki post #6254''
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=== BPFK Section: Contact Spatial ===
''arj · 2008-02-03 16:11 UTC · Tiki post #6297''
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=== Why Learn Lojban? ===
''DPic · 2008-02-20 22:31 UTC · Tiki post #6302''
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=== LRWTF ===
''adamgarrigus · 2008-02-27 18:27 UTC · Tiki post #6331''
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=== saxaras ===
''evgenis · 2008-04-04 21:09 UTC · Tiki post #6476''
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=== lojban.narod.ru ===
''evgenis · 2008-04-05 18:56 UTC · Tiki post #6477''
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=== Original lojban orthography ===
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=== BPFK Section: gadri ===
''evgenis · 2008-04-05 19:02 UTC · Tiki post #6479''
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=== srilermorna ===
''adamgarrigus · 2008-05-03 03:00 UTC · Tiki post #6480''
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=== Suggestions for CLL, second edition ===
''arj · 2008-05-06 21:17 UTC · Tiki post #6481''
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=== Ложбан для начинающих ===
''Killen · 2008-06-27 22:13 UTC · Tiki post #6875''
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=== Delete this thread ===
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=== la .nomik. ===
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=== Lakmir.'s Vowel-Diacritic Orthography ===
''winkerbean · 2008-08-31 17:46 UTC · Tiki post #7138''
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=== Home Page ===
''rlpowell · 2008-08-31 18:37 UTC · Tiki post #7139''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page: [[Home Page]]</div>

=== We can build a church or a school ===
''Anonymous · 2008-09-14 20:28 UTC · Tiki post #7206''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[We can build a church or a school]]</div>

=== Conlang Test Sentences ===
''Anonymous · 2008-09-14 20:34 UTC · Tiki post #7207''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[Conlang Test Sentences]]</div>

=== jbocradi cimo'o ===
''Anonymous · 2008-09-14 20:34 UTC · Tiki post #7208''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[jbocradi cimo'o]]</div>

=== Story Time With Uncle Robin 7 ===
''Anonymous · 2008-09-14 20:35 UTC · Tiki post #7209''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[Story Time With Uncle Robin 7]]</div>

=== QwertAsdf ===
''Anonymous · 2008-09-14 20:36 UTC · Tiki post #7210''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[QwertAsdf]]</div>

=== Promotional Materials ===
''Anonymous · 2008-09-14 20:37 UTC · Tiki post #7211''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[Promotional Materials]]</div>

=== Robin's Palm Writings: Math - The RPN Nesting Problem ===
''Anonymous · 2008-09-14 20:37 UTC · Tiki post #7212''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[Robin's Palm Writings: Math - The RPN Nesting Problem]]</div>

=== BPFK Section: The Problem With comma ===
''arj · 2008-10-26 18:11 UTC · Tiki post #7382''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[BPFK Section: The Problem With comma]]</div>

=== Controversial points in the morphology ===
''arj · 2008-10-26 18:12 UTC · Tiki post #7383''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[Controversial points in the morphology]]</div>

=== BPFK Section: Formal Morphology ===
''arj · 2008-12-07 12:53 UTC · Tiki post #7705''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[BPFK Section: Formal Morphology]]</div>

=== Fractal Lojban Sentences ===
''brablonau · 2008-12-31 19:25 UTC · Tiki post #7830''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[Fractal Lojban Sentences]]</div>

=== What is This Lojban Thing? ===
''brablonau · 2008-12-31 19:27 UTC · Tiki post #7831''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[What is This Lojban Thing?]]</div>

=== Lojban IRC ===
''purpleposeidon · 2009-08-18 02:36 UTC · Tiki post #8219''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[Lojban IRC]]</div>

=== Multimedia ===
''totus · 2010-01-09 01:00 UTC · Tiki post #9358''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[Multimedia]]</div>

=== Books ===
''leos · 2010-03-04 15:03 UTC · Tiki post #9565''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[Books]]</div>

=== BPFK Section: Irrealis Attitudinals ===
''arj · 2010-03-15 16:29 UTC · Tiki post #9566''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Use this thread to discuss the page:: [[BPFK Section: Irrealis Attitudinals]]</div>

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== Lojbanising words? ==

=== Lojbanising words? ===
''CQuake · 2010-03-15 20:27 UTC · Tiki post #9567''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Hello, all,
first of all, let me introduce myself: I'm Sabrina, Brazilian woman which is actually living in the heart of the green heart of Austria: the tiny and beautiful city of Graz. Pleasure to meet you! =)

Actually I'm learning Lojban via Lojban for Beginners, and I (already) have a doubt, about lojbanising words:

Athens - Athina, for instance, becomes .atinas. In Portuguese we use to say A-TEH-nas, and in Italian, A-TEH-ne. So how should I lojbanise these words? Does it exist a sort of common rule?

Thank you, guys.

Ciao,
Sabrina.</div>

=== Re: Lojbanising words? ===
''Xion · 2010-03-15 23:29 UTC · Tiki post #9568 · reply to Tiki post #9567''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">.ui coi la sabrinas.

I suppose it'd be ideal to lojbanise all foreign names by using they native language's form. But that's just a theory. The most important thing is whether your interlocutors understand what are you talking about.
So it all depends on the target audience of your speech. If, for example, it is intended to be published on the website, then it would wisest to look up the original pronounciation of those names (or at the very least use the English one, but that's like literally malglico). In everyday chat it hardly matters, of course.

.i mi rinsa do
.i co'o</div>

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== Eclipse Phase Quick-Start Rules in Lojban? ==

=== Eclipse Phase Quick-Start Rules in Lojban? ===
''Phil · 2010-02-28 21:42 UTC · Tiki post #9560''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">(I originally sent a version of this message to Robin Lee Powell;
I'm sending it here at his suggestion, as it might be something
that interests the community at large.)

Eclipse Phase is a pretty groovy transhuman horror tabletop RPG,
released under a Creative Commons license (BY-NC-SA, for those
who are curious). I'm a fan, and have done some copyediting work
on some of their releases. Today, one of the creators posted
regarding a Portugese translation of the quick-start rules:

http://www.eclipsephase.com/blog

It struck me that Lojban doesn't have (as far as I know) any works
of this nature, rules for playing a game (or a tabletop RPG). I
think it would be pretty cool to have such a thing. Another feather
in the breadth of the utility of the language. (Plus, it's CC-licensed,
so there's no worries about hosting it on the official Lojban website,
angering the developers, and so on.)

I pinged Robin on this, because he's on the mailing list for a game
I work on (Endgame: Singularity), and I feel that the two have some
similarities. I suspect many Lojban enthusiasts are into this sort
of thing in an over-broad, general sense, if only going from my own
tastes. :)

Unfortunately, I happen to be nothing but the most rank novice with
Lojban itself.

Anyway, if there /is/ interest in doing a translation of the
quick-start rules, it's entirely possible that I can convince one
of the EP devs to provide the design files used so, in the end, there
could be a professional-looking Lojban translation of the
quick-start rules.

And if there isn't interest, well, what the heck. It was worth a
shot. ;)

Phil B.</div>

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== New completed texts ==

=== New completed texts ===
''totus · 2010-02-05 15:14 UTC · Tiki post #9555''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">coi ro do

I've taken on the task of ensuring that the Home Page
of the lojban website stays fresh and up-to-date.
There's nothing worse for someone who has just got
interested in lojban to encounter a home page that
looks abandoned.

In particular, for the website to look fresh, news clips
need to be placed there no less than approx once a
month (my judgement, based on some years of working
on commercial websites).

So I would like to encourage you to place newsworthy items
there. Example: completed significant translations,
people stories, reviews of lojban by third parties etc.

So, if you do finish a translation, or have recently finished one,
or anything leasi you deem newsworthy,
please put news of it there - or let me know so I can do it.

mu'o mi'e .totus.

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with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.</div>

=== New completed texts ===
''Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.com> · 2010-02-05 17:46 UTC · Tiki post #9556 · reply to Tiki post #9555''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On 5 February 2010 16:11, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
> There's nothing worse for someone who has just got
> interested in lojban to encounter a home page that
> looks abandoned.

Indeed - that can be rather discouraging.

To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org
with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.</div>

=== New completed texts ===
''rlpowell · 2010-02-05 18:36 UTC · Tiki post #9557 · reply to Tiki post #9555''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 07:11:52AM -0800, A. PIEKARSKI wrote:
> I've taken on the task of ensuring that the Home Page
> of the lojban website stays fresh and up-to-date.

And you're doing a fantastic job; thank you so much!

-Robin

--
They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something
other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/

To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org
with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.</div>

=== New completed texts ===
''Arran <arran4@gmail.com> · 2010-02-06 01:06 UTC · Tiki post #9558 · reply to Tiki post #9555''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Does the tiki software have enough flexibility to show some external feeds?

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Robin Lee Powell <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 07:11:52AM -0800, A. PIEKARSKI wrote:
> > I've taken on the task of ensuring that the Home Page
> > of the lojban website stays fresh and up-to-date.
>
> And you're doing a fantastic job; thank you so much!
>
> -Robin
>
> --
> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something
> other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>
></div>

=== New completed texts ===
''timonator · 2010-02-06 10:18 UTC · Tiki post #9559 · reply to Tiki post #9555''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Arran wrote:
> Does the tiki software have enough flexibility to show some external feeds?

Until not long ago it included the livejournal community. Now it only includes
the "community activity" feed from jbotcan.
- Timo</div>

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== Source Code ==

=== Source Code ===
''lukebergen · 2010-02-04 11:37 UTC · Tiki post #9547''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">In the future David, it would probably be best if you replied to
lojban-list@lojban.org (the mailing list) instead of to all the individuals
who have replied at one point or another in the thread.

Haven't had a chance to look at your code yet but I look forward to it! :)

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:47 AM, David Zhang <david290@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's the source code of the program, pass it to anyone that would be
> interested.
></div>

=== Source Code ===
''winkerbean · 2010-02-04 11:41 UTC · Tiki post #9549 · reply to Tiki post #9547''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Also, for some reason, (I think) g-mail made the attachment text instead
(inserted in the body of the e-mail itself). I would like to try it out
but, I hope understandably, am having some trouble as a result.

On 2 February 2010 00:50, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> In the future David, it would probably be best if you replied to
> lojban-list@lojban.org (the mailing list) instead of to all the
> individuals who have replied at one point or another in the thread.
>
> Haven't had a chance to look at your code yet but I look forward to it! :)
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:47 AM, David Zhang <david290@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's the source code of the program, pass it to anyone that would be
>> interested.
>>
>
></div>

=== Source Code ===
''baisong · 2010-02-04 11:41 UTC · Tiki post #9550 · reply to Tiki post #9547''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">i got garbled text as well:

--001636283dce31f8b4047e97a69b
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="GPAICC.rar"
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="GPAICC.rar"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
X-Attachment-Id: f_g55g0gtj0

UmFyIRoHAM+QcwAADQAAAAAAAABwfXRAkEUAnwAAAOgAAAAC9TPbQDpKPjwdMyAAIAAAAEdQQUlD
QyBVc2VyIEludGVyZmFjZVwuY2xhc3NwYXRoAPA5RVgJlRjMvhE3KDweE3sq63RFoiVBdFQpXclZ
IWxayQklRe9oiCL/Qqoi6V4RmYeMzORYZr8HvaPtX3Ciw8N1It6GuStWEd8l4YkKMs6VT9tply3c
A4cVy2U1MznMmfRYy18aC3t4i2g0/NzT...
...(about 36 pagefuls more)...

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 22:42, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:

> Also, for some reason, (I think) g-mail made the attachment text instead
> (inserted in the body of the e-mail itself). I would like to try it out
> but, I hope understandably, am having some trouble as a result.
>
>
> On 2 February 2010 00:50, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In the future David, it would probably be best if you replied to
>> lojban-list@lojban.org (the mailing list) instead of to all the
>> individuals who have replied at one point or another in the thread.
>>
>> Haven't had a chance to look at your code yet but I look forward to it! :)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:47 AM, David Zhang <david290@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the source code of the program, pass it to anyone that would be
>>> interested.
>>>
>>
>>
></div>

=== Source Code ===
''baisong · 2010-02-04 11:41 UTC · Tiki post #9551 · reply to Tiki post #9547''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">actually, i'm kind of intrigued, if i cut and paste the huge block of text
into a text editor, remove all line-breaks and rename it to a .rar file,
will I just be wasting my time? =p

2010/2/2 Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>

> i got garbled text as well:
>
> --001636283dce31f8b4047e97a69b
> Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="GPAICC.rar"
> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="GPAICC.rar"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> X-Attachment-Id: f_g55g0gtj0
>
>
> UmFyIRoHAM+QcwAADQAAAAAAAABwfXRAkEUAnwAAAOgAAAAC9TPbQDpKPjwdMyAAIAAAAEdQQUlD
>
> QyBVc2VyIEludGVyZmFjZVwuY2xhc3NwYXRoAPA5RVgJlRjMvhE3KDweE3sq63RFoiVBdFQpXclZ
>
> IWxayQklRe9oiCL/Qqoi6V4RmYeMzORYZr8HvaPtX3Ciw8N1It6GuStWEd8l4YkKMs6VT9tply3c
> A4cVy2U1MznMmfRYy18aC3t4i2g0/NzT...
> ...(about 36 pagefuls more)...
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 22:42, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Also, for some reason, (I think) g-mail made the attachment text instead
>> (inserted in the body of the e-mail itself). I would like to try it out
>> but, I hope understandably, am having some trouble as a result.
>>
>>
>> On 2 February 2010 00:50, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In the future David, it would probably be best if you replied to
>>> lojban-list@lojban.org (the mailing list) instead of to all the
>>> individuals who have replied at one point or another in the thread.
>>>
>>> Haven't had a chance to look at your code yet but I look forward to it!
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:47 AM, David Zhang <david290@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's the source code of the program, pass it to anyone that would be
>>>> interested.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
></div>

=== Source Code ===
''kozmikreis · 2010-02-04 11:41 UTC · Tiki post #9552 · reply to Tiki post #9547''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Tou could try running it through a base-64 decrypter, that appears to
be the format, and there're a few JavaScript implementations out
there, try a Google search :-)

kozmikreis

--
Sent from my iPhone

On 2 Feb 2010, at 14:51, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:

> actually, i'm kind of intrigued, if i cut and paste the huge block
> of text into a text editor, remove all line-breaks and rename it to
> a .rar file, will I just be wasting my time? =p
>
> 2010/2/2 Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>
> i got garbled text as well:
>
> --001636283dce31f8b4047e97a69b
> Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="GPAICC.rar"
> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="GPAICC.rar"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> X-Attachment-Id: f_g55g0gtj0
>
> UmFyIRoHAM
> +QcwAADQAAAAAAAABwfXRAkEUAnwAAAOgAAAAC9TPbQDpKPjwdMyAAIAAAAEdQQUlD
> QyBVc2VyIEludGVyZmFjZVwuY2xhc3NwYXRoAPA5RVgJlRjMvhE3KDweE3sq63RFoiVBdFQpXclZ

> IWxayQklRe9oiCL/
> Qqoi6V4RmYeMzORYZr8HvaPtX3Ciw8N1It6GuStWEd8l4YkKMs6VT9tply3c
> A4cVy2U1MznMmfRYy18aC3t4i2g0/NzT...
> ...(about 36 pagefuls more)...
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 22:42, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, for some reason, (I think) g-mail made the attachment text
> instead (inserted in the body of the e-mail itself). I would like
> to try it out but, I hope understandably, am having some trouble as
> a result.
>
>
> On 2 February 2010 00:50, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the future David, it would probably be best if you replied to lojban-list@lojban.org
> (the mailing list) instead of to all the individuals who have
> replied at one point or another in the thread.
>
> Haven't had a chance to look at your code yet but I look forward to
> it! :)
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:47 AM, David Zhang <david290@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Here's the source code of the program, pass it to anyone that would be
> interested.
>
>
>
></div>

=== Source Code ===
''kozmikreis · 2010-02-04 11:41 UTC · Tiki post #9553 · reply to Tiki post #9547''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Oh sorry, yes the result would be a binary .rar which JS in a webpage
wouldn't be able to handle...

kozmikreis

--
Sent from my iPhone

On 2 Feb 2010, at 14:51, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:

> actually, i'm kind of intrigued, if i cut and paste the huge block
> of text into a text editor, remove all line-breaks and rename it to
> a .rar file, will I just be wasting my time? =p
>
> 2010/2/2 Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>
> i got garbled text as well:
>
> --001636283dce31f8b4047e97a69b
> Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="GPAICC.rar"
> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="GPAICC.rar"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> X-Attachment-Id: f_g55g0gtj0
>
> UmFyIRoHAM
> +QcwAADQAAAAAAAABwfXRAkEUAnwAAAOgAAAAC9TPbQDpKPjwdMyAAIAAAAEdQQUlD
> QyBVc2VyIEludGVyZmFjZVwuY2xhc3NwYXRoAPA5RVgJlRjMvhE3KDweE3sq63RFoiVBdFQpXclZ

> IWxayQklRe9oiCL/
> Qqoi6V4RmYeMzORYZr8HvaPtX3Ciw8N1It6GuStWEd8l4YkKMs6VT9tply3c
> A4cVy2U1MznMmfRYy18aC3t4i2g0/NzT...
> ...(about 36 pagefuls more)...
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 22:42, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, for some reason, (I think) g-mail made the attachment text
> instead (inserted in the body of the e-mail itself). I would like
> to try it out but, I hope understandably, am having some trouble as
> a result.
>
>
> On 2 February 2010 00:50, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the future David, it would probably be best if you replied to lojban-list@lojban.org
> (the mailing list) instead of to all the individuals who have
> replied at one point or another in the thread.
>
> Haven't had a chance to look at your code yet but I look forward to
> it! :)
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:47 AM, David Zhang <david290@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Here's the source code of the program, pass it to anyone that would be
> interested.
>
>
>
></div>

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== social web aggregators (Cliqset, Friendfeed) ==

=== social web aggregators (Cliqset, Friendfeed) ===
''Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> · 2010-02-04 11:37 UTC · Tiki post #9546''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">Hello everyone! I've started a lot of Lojbanic accounts around the
internet, mostly as "selckiku", at about a dozen different places.
(Blogspot, Flickr, Identica, Livejournal, Tumblr, WordPress, Facebook,
Google Reader, Jaiku, Reddit, Twitter, and YouTube.) Some of you are
subscribed to some of them, but I doubt any of you are following all
of them. If you'd like to follow more of my Lojbanic activities, you
can follow everything at once at one of these social web aggregators:

http://cliqset.com/user/selckiku
http://friendfeed.com/selckiku

This is the direction I believe the social web should be moving. The
aggregators allow us to be able to follow each other's activities,
while also having the freedom to choose what sites we want to use to
post. For those who haven't used an aggregator before, this is how it
works: After signing up for an account, you tell the aggregator which
services you use around the web, and give it the
usernames/urls/permissions it needs to collect your posts from those
various services into one big stream. It's set it and forget it:
After the initial work of setting up the connections, you don't have
to do anything to maintain your account on an aggregator. (So it's
even relatively easy to set up accounts on multiple aggregators, which
means you don't even have to be siloed on that level!) Once you've
set it up you just post to your favorite sites as usual, the only
difference being that it will now be easier for other people (who may
not even be a member of the site you're posting on, or might rarely
pay attention to it) to follow you.

Since the social web as a whole is still terrible at splitting streams
by tag or language, I think it makes sense to make separate accounts
for our Lojbanic activities. Aggregating those accounts would make
that less overwhelming, adding just one new place to check instead of
twice as many places all over the web.

If you'll join me in organizing your Lojbanic activities in this way,
I believe we can create a richer, more closely-woven tapestry of
conversation and teaching that will further encourage the renaissance
that Lojbanistan is lately so beautifully entering.

ki'e
mi'e la stela selckiku
mu'o

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with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.</div>

=== social web aggregators (Cliqset, Friendfeed) ===
''lagejyspa · 2010-02-04 11:41 UTC · Tiki post #9554 · reply to Tiki post #9546''
<div style="white-space: pre-wrap">On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> This is the direction I believe the social web should be moving. The
> aggregators allow us to be able to follow each other's activities,
> while also having the freedom to choose what sites we want to use to
> post. For those who haven't used an aggregator before, this is how it
> works: After signing up for an account, you tell the aggregator which
> services you use around the web, and give it the
> usernames/urls/permissions it needs to collect your posts from those
> various services into one big stream.

pe'i lo nu dunda lo'i la selckiku ku ckiku lo drata be lo ckiku cu
traji lo ka xlali kei fo lo'i sidbo
.i lo du'u da xusra lo du'u da du do cu cumki

--gejyspa

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